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Hyundai Joins the Linux Foundation To Embrace AGL's Open Source Connected Car Tech (venturebeat.com)

Hyundai has become the latest car company to explore serious open source alternatives for developing its in-car services. From a report: Ahead of CES 2019, the South Korean automotive giant today announced that it has joined the Linux Foundation and the nonprofit's seven-year-old Automotive Grade Linux (AGL) effort as it looks to contribute to -- and reap benefit from -- software developed by over 140 companies. For Hyundai, open collaboration is crucial as it pursues a "connected car vision," Paul Choo, VP and head of Infotainment Technology Center at Hyundai, said in a statement. Car companies have traditionally taken three years or longer to develop in-vehicle services, such as infotainment systems. The bottleneck usually lies in the quality of code their in-house programmers create. According to a case study published by AGL, a connected car uses some 100 million lines of code, which is about 11 times more than the number that went into the F-35 fighter jet. Getting on AGL's bandwagon would also help Hyundai speed up development of its in-car technologies.

38 comments

  1. Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sure want Linux on my Hyundai.

    1. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me, too!

      Both are tops in quality in each of their respective arenas.

      It's not surprising Hyundai wants to continue using best in class.

    2. Re:Oh boy by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      Does it span just Hyundai's division or is it the full Hyundai group that includes Kia? A Linux powered Stinger sounds awesome.

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  2. Goodbye Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The corporations now own you, and it shows.

    1. Re: Goodbye Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about Linux Foundation, a nonprofit that does not own Linux.

    2. Re: Goodbye Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that large donors don't sway decisions made my the kernel developers than your pretty naive.

    3. Re:Goodbye Linux by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Are there cars available not manufactured by corporations?

    4. Re: Goodbye Linux by Chas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mostly it's about self protection for companies that have no intention of abiding by the GPL or any of the other OSL variants.
      Look at Microsoft...and VMWare. Both are violators. Both sit on the board of the Linux foundation. Notice no punitive actions for their violations have been forthcoming for several years...

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    5. Re:Goodbye Linux by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That is what they said 22 years ago. When the likes of Oracle, and IBM started to put their support behind Linux.
      Linux's popularity is strongly related to the big companies who are standing behind it and supporting it.
      Today it is nearly impossible to try to go at it alone.
      Think of BeOS and NeXT. It is a two way partnership where the popularity (and general name recognition) of the big businesses supports the OS, while the big business gets a team of developers who are willing to give them support for low cost, the OS also gets a team of developers from these companies willing to do a lot of support work, while the big companies get their priorities, prioritized.

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    6. Re: Goodbye Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go pick shit off your foot and eat it.

    7. Re:Goodbye Linux by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Are there cars available not manufactured by corporations?

      You could build a kit car yourself from plans, if you can weld and machine. But it will probably suck, unless you're great at both.

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    8. Re: Goodbye Linux by Chas · · Score: 1

      Go pick shit off your foot and eat it.

      Sorry? Did you have a point? Mr. "Anonymous Coward"?

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  3. Good model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For paying developers working on large projects, also for paying standards bodies for developing IPC or protocols that the developers both supplant and work with.

    1. Re:Good model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux has too many standards to be useful. Sure some get created but then some neck beards aren't happy because of one small detail so they fork a new set. Repeat until you have hundreds of half assed "standards".

  4. Sorry but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will not buy any Hyundai as those cars just don't last...same for Kia or whatever is called now.... replaced 3 manual trany when I was younger in the damn Hyundai Excel, thanks but not thanks.

    1. Re:Sorry but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That was over 20 years ago since they stopped making the Excel. Now they are one of the higher rated for reliability and rank about the same as Honda. Things change. All American brands are at the bottom. Including Tesla at the rock bottom. Can't really judge something by your experience in the 90's.

  5. How is that relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to be embarking on a red herring or a straw man.

  6. Man pages by sinij · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am curious what man page on changing a tire would look like and if there a chance it will have less than a dozen of listed args.

    1. Re:Man pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go open your glovebox. (Or, alternatively, access the manual in digital format if your car supplies it that way.)

    2. Re:Man pages by oldCoder · · Score: 1

      The tech manual will be automatically installed on your smartphone when you buy or rent the car.

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  7. I disagree... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I disagree: Hyundai Tiburon GT V-6 2006 (black) owner here (great car, VERY fast) std. shift/manual 5 speed, 38k miles only in that timeframe, regular 15k synthetic oil (refreshed every 7k miles), still runs great (just did the rear brakes a couple weeks back, only 2nd time in my ownership).

    * In my experience, it's how you TAKE CARE of your vehicles more than quality of workmanship!

    Sure, yes, it's both, but I am finding this car's really well made & apparently considered a 'sportscar' as I've seen it in "Grand Theft Auto" type games as a car one can use for playing it (astounding to me, as I know it's NOT "SuperCar" class, like my fav. one is (Koenigsegg, originally using the FINEST piece of automotive engineering genius from a GENIUS in Carroll Shelby iirc, in the Mustang 5.0 motorblock modified).

    (I wanted a Mustang until I saw the "gas guzzler" V-8 tax on it & insurance that was OUTTA THIS WORLD large (even though I have a SPOTLESS DRIVING RECORD for 30++ yrs. or so now & am WAY over 27 yr. old male 1st discount on cost etc.)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Anyhow - maybe I'm an "outlier on the curve" (per calculus & integrals (area under curve) better yet derivatives (optimal solutions ON curve iirc) OR linear optimization solutions seeking) but for me? It's been one HELL of a GOOD, fast, enduring car - kids in my area keep approaching me to SELL it to them (bah, in MY day? Fast cars/hotrods were V-8 & I had a Chevelle SS))... apk

  8. Linux is played out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It stopped being cool when Google used it for Android. Now it's just part of a spyware empire.

  9. Popularity is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple got an amazing operating system when they bought NeXT. Now, it's a crappy walled garden where you have to play according to Apple's self-serving rules.

    Same thing goes for Linux. The "maintainers" have grown old, crotchety, slow, and self-serving, having more of an eye on their retirement rather than on creating a work of art that will stand the test of time.

    Popularity results in 2 phenomena: A deluge of money, and an influx of bums who shit and piss all over anything that was once beautiful.

  10. So which car model will once and for all by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    officially start the Year Of Linux :)

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    1. Re:So which car model will once and for all by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Year of the Linux dashboard.

    2. Re:So which car model will once and for all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hurr durr durr.

  11. Just use my smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do cars still come with built in displays? Provide a magnetic dock and charging for a standardized phone or tablet on the console and connect via blue tooth. You phone loads an manufacturer provided app, or one built using open sourced libraries to car functions.

    1. Re:Just use my smartphone by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Have you not seen how much they charge for those "slightly modified from standards" displays? Google what it would cost to replace the radio console in your car, and you will have the answer to why they don't want to loose the revenue stream.

      Remember, they're not designing this for you or I, who can hack in an aftermarket solution. They just want to make things a little inconvenient for the masses who would rather pony up the money.

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    2. Re:Just use my smartphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's less conspiracy here than you think. It simply never occurs to an automaker than standards are ever better than differentiating themselves in the marketplace. They all want their own unique head system and their own unique back-up camera interfaces and their own unique dashboard, etc.
      Thank God Android Auto and Car Play, limited though they may be, have started taking over.

  12. Makes sense by DrXym · · Score: 1
    Car manufacturers are (understandably) hyper paranoid about software faults in their vehicles. They even have a lintable subset of C called MISRA-C which is designed to identify and eliminate some of the problems commonly associated with the language - memory leaks, dangling pointers etc.

    Modern cars are increasingly complex things with many subsystems, network connectivity, over the air updates, telematics, driver assistance, HUDs, entertainment systems, message buses etc. Not only must they worry about software faults during normal operation of the car, but also malicious attacks - people trying to unlock a car, or even take control of it. There may even be separate hardware for the human machine interface from the rest of the car and they must still communicate securely.

    Therefore it makes sense that manufacturers pool their resources and try to come up with a security model and framework that hardens vehicle to attack and offers a stable platform to build up a user experience.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Little surprised though. I was under the impression the linux kernel couldn't quite get a 100% deterministic real time capabilities like QNX or SafeRTOS could. Has this need been mitigated somehow?

    2. Re:Makes sense by DrXym · · Score: 2

      The AGL whitepaper says it has real time support with predictive reaction time. Perhaps that is sufficient for the majority of vehicles, but some might require hard real-time subcomponent for safety purposes. Hard to say without researching a lot more.

    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Car manufacturers are (understandably) hyper paranoid about software faults in their vehicles. They even have a lintable subset of C called MISRA-C which is designed to identify and eliminate some of the problems commonly associated with the language - memory leaks, dangling pointers etc.
      Modern cars are increasingly complex things with many subsystems, network connectivity, over the air updates, telematics, driver assistance, HUDs, entertainment systems, message buses etc. Not only must they worry about software faults during normal operation of the car, but also malicious attacks - people trying to unlock a car, or even take control of it. There may even be separate hardware for the human machine interface from the rest of the car and they must still communicate securely.

      Therefore it makes sense that manufacturers pool their resources and try to come up with a security model and framework that hardens vehicle to attack and offers a stable platform to build up a user experience.

      FFS how many transistors does it take to spin the wheels? Piling on of car electronics ceased serving a useful purpose two decades ago.

      Now if you want to built a self-driving vehicle added complexity is understandable.

      But to pile on crap for infotainment malware gimmicks made redundant by cell phones... yea FUCK THAT. What makes sense is for manufacturers to stop being dicks.

  13. Nice link you got there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the heck. If editors are now submitting and linking to their own articles, then Slashdot is finished.

  14. Programming quality by mccrew · · Score: 1

    The bottleneck usually lies in the quality of code their in-house programmers create.

    I'm shocked, shocked! to hear this.

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  15. Re:Makes sense (Real Time) by oldCoder · · Score: 1

    The aviation industry has been doing this for many decades and no doubt have pre-built solutions that could be adopted.
    The medical equipment industry has similar software.
    It's a matter of obtaining the intellectual property for the real-time OSs and such. The apps would be different but the underlying real-time kernel could be the same. The value of well-debugged real-time software would be high. But would management recognize that?
    The old question, build or buy?

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