Slashdot Mirror


The Feds Cracked El Chapo's Encrypted Comms Network By Flipping His System Admin (gizmodo.com)

With signs that the New York trial of notorious Mexican drug lord and alleged mass murderer Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is entering its end phase, prosecutors on Tuesday played copies of what they said were audio recordings of Guzman the FBI obtained "after they infiltrated his encrypted messaging system" with the help of Colombian and former cartel systems engineer Cristian Rodriguez, Reuters reported. Gizmodo reports: As has been previously reported by Vice, Colombian drug lord Jorge Cifuentes testified that Rodriguez had forgot to renew a license key critical to the communications network of Guzman's Sinaloa Cartel in September 2010, forcing cartel leaders to temporarily rely on conventional cell phones. Cifuentes told the court he considered Rodriguez "an irresponsible person" who had compromised their security, with a terse phone call played by prosecutors showing Cifuentes warned the subordinate he was in "charge of the system always working."

But on Tuesday it was revealed that the FBI had lured Rodriguez into a meeting with an agent posing as a potential customer much earlier, in February 2010, according to a report in the New York Times. Later, they flipped Rodriguez, having him transfer servers from Canada to the Netherlands in a move masked as an upgrade. During that process, Rodriguez slipped investigators the network's encryption keys. The communications system ran over Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), with only cartel members able to access it. Getting through its encryption gave authorities access to roughly 1,500 of Guzman's and other cartel members' calls from April 2011 to January 2012, the Times wrote, with FBI agents able to identify ones placed by the drug lord by "comparing the high-pitched, nasal voice on the calls with other recordings of the kingpin, including a video interview he gave to Rolling Stone in October 2015."

66 of 111 comments (clear)

  1. Biggest security vuln by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In every organization, there's always someone who has too much access. And there's not really a good way to avoid it.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Biggest security vuln by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      In every organization, there's always someone who has too much access. And there's not really a good way to avoid it.

      Indeed. If the possibility of a horrible violent death for you and your family does not keep you loyal nothing will.

    2. Re:Biggest security vuln by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. If the possibility of a horrible violent death for you and your family does not keep you loyal nothing will.

      Especially now knowing that the FBI will rat out their informers.

    3. Re:Biggest security vuln by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Don't talk to the cops" is doubly true for the FBI, whether as an informer, a suspect, or even as a decent human being. Those guys are rather messed up.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:Biggest security vuln by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      In today's dodgy legal system being honest can be a liability. when dealing with the authorities, do so anonymously.

      --
      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    5. Re:Biggest security vuln by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you're being seriously looked at by FBI for a criminal offense, you've fucked up by proximity already whether guilty or innocent. That said, they aren't going to go out of their way to rope innocent people for petty shit.

      There are edge cases where Federal law is draconian and requires them to investigate trivial shit, Aaron Swartz etc, but that's obviously a different issue than LEO abuse of power, that's a legislative/judicial artifact rather than an FBI discretion.

      Being honest is never a liability unless you've done something wrong. The problem people find is that they HAVE done something wrong, and the FBI stumbles across that while looking for other things. That happens, sure.

      That's also not an abuse of power on their part, that's their fucking job. Don't like it? Move to Russia, try the bribe system instead.

    6. Re:Biggest security vuln by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The FBI should have kept its method secret. They could have used the same method all over the world.
      Now every criminal group of any size knows what the FBI and any police that work with the FBI will be looking for.
      Decades of useful method lost to a few days of police publicity.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    7. Re:Biggest security vuln by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Decades of useful method lost to a few days of police publicity.

      The same thing happened when the CIA publicly bragged about nailing OBL by tracking Al Qaeda's cell phones. They all went dark within minutes.

    8. Re:Biggest security vuln by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The FBI is far more professional and less likely to go after anyone not guilty of a crime than local police."

      that's utter bullshit. I dealt with the FBI several months ago for a post made on facebook saying "If I remember correctly, there has been case law where a person was held not guilty for using lethal force to defend their mining claim."

      And Newmont Mining Corp, the treacherous fucks that they are, instantly had the Feds at my front fucking door to harass and intimidate me.

      So I'd suggest you shut your mouth and start waking up to fucking reality, you tool.

      Meanwhile, Newmont Mining corp is about to face one of the biggest leaks they've ever conceived. Get ready because you're about to see how a corrupt mining corporation violates mining claims, and I'm putting that bitch CEO Gary Goldberg in prison and in bankruptcy where he belongs.

    9. Re:Biggest security vuln by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The use of satellite phones was well understood well before it all went dark.
      The West knew of the satellite phones. The US media had seen the satellite phones. The satellite phone use had been reported on.
      The fear about a satellite phone been part of tracking was not new.
      The real new fear was the use of the US mil to follow the network down with a real time missile strike.
      Chechnya was the real new mil fear re news a satellite phone was getting tracked and a direct missile strike resulted.
      So the network went down.
      The change to using a satellite phone to Pakistan, then Pakistan to the world did not slow down the NSA/CIA.
      The rest is about a human who changed out an altered US provided satellite phone battery pack that showed locations.
      That the US had a spy and that spy was trusted to swap a battery pack with one that allowed US tracking.
      I would say the "spy" story is just cover for the tracking skills/methods of the NSA.
      Every US satellite phone sold was tracked by default :)
      A human spy story would keep other groups trusting their US satellite phone.
      Everyone has seen and knew about the satellite phone. The change was the US option for a direct missile strike. That caused the change in communications.
      Someone talked about a US direct missile strike. The split loyalty would not have been in the US media as the satellite phone use was well published before going dark.
      The split loyalty problem was deep in the US mil that a missile strike was planned.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    10. Re:Biggest security vuln by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      The FBI is far more professional and less likely to...

      I was expecting you to say "DOX THEIR INFORMANTS" because, you know, thats what you were trying to refute.

      Meanwhile, TFA is about the FBI DOXing one of their informants.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    11. Re:Biggest security vuln by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Bro you need to watch this and educate yourself. Please don't comment again until you at least skim through that and see the 10 reasons not to talk to a cop.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    12. Re:Biggest security vuln by swillden · · Score: 1

      In every organization, there's always someone who has too much access. And there's not really a good way to avoid it.

      I agree with the first sentence, not so much with the second.

      It is absolutely possible to divide responsibilities so that no single person has deep access. The larger the number of people who must collude in order to destroy your security, the stronger your actual security is.

      The problem is that security is rarely a high priority, and few organizations bother to do the analysis to decide whether they have any single points of failure. Apparently, even incredibly well-funded crime syndicates fail at this.

      The Sinaloa Cartel should not have had one IT guy, they should have had a half-dozen, each responsible for different areas of the technology stack. The guy who managed the VOIP servers should not have been the same guy who managed the keys... and the key management infrastructure should have been architected so that no human ever had access to the raw key material. Sometimes there's no way to avoid working on a machine that has the key material, but it's always possible to avoid displaying it, and you can use the "four eyes" rule to ensure that the guy doing the work doesn't try to grab copies of the keys. Oh, and the second pair of eyes should be both knowledgeable and rotated frequently, and randomly augmented with a third set.

      The Cartel should also have had at least two competent IT security people responsible for analyzing the systems and ensuring that no single points of security failure existed, and imposing process and demanding system changes where necessary. These two should have worked separately and cross-checked one another.

      Of course, although funding such a large IT and security team was no problem for the Cartel, I'm sure the criminal nature of the organization also imposed a desire to minimize the number of people involved. Probably a foolish desire. I think it would be more effective to include "flipping" in the threat model and structure the team and approach accordingly. I have to admit that I haven't spent much time thinking about what the "flipping" threat looks like or how to address it, since I wouldn't work for a crime syndicate. I do think about how to prevent attacks based on buying off or coercing key people of legitimate companies, which seems like almost the same thing, but maybe not.

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    13. Re:Biggest security vuln by swillden · · Score: 1

      Every system no matter how well built has at least one point of failure. It may not be exploitable in any practical way, but it does exist.

      I'm talking about single points of failure. And I disagree with your statement. Do you have any evidence to support it?

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    14. Re:Biggest security vuln by Megol · · Score: 1

      In today's episode of "things that never happened"...

    15. Re:Biggest security vuln by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You kill the family. You leave the perpetrator alive to suffer. You might pulp his hands to prevent him being able to suicide. Keep him around "pour encourager les autres". (page 123)

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    16. Re:Biggest security vuln by Agripa · · Score: 1

      If you try to lie to them then YOU messed up, moron.

      This is exactly the problem except the FBI gets to decide what are lies. Silence does not give them anything to work with.

  2. FBI and encryption by dlleigh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This shows that the FBI doesn't need to force key escrow or any other form of weakened encryption on the public.

    If they really want the crypto keys, they can get them.

    1. Re:FBI and encryption by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      All the people who say the math will always be secure, not no "big" US brand would use junk crypto. PRISM and this shows the methods the US gov/mil/police use.
      The US gov reads along in real time with all messages sent as they get all the keys.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re: FBI and encryption by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Ignorance breeds paranoia.

  3. always, always pay lots of $$$ to your sysadmins! by kiviQr · · Score: 2

    ...they never learn!

  4. chingados consultants, man! by Jahoda · · Score: 4, Funny

    Colombian drug lord Jorge Cifuentes testified that Rodriguez had forgot to renew a license key critical to the communications network of Guzman's Sinaloa Cartel in September 2010

    I mean, Jesus H. Christo - it is goddamned *tough* to find competent IT support. If they can't do it with automatic weapons and methamphetamine torture parties, what hope do the rest of us have?

    1. Re:chingados consultants, man! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mean, Jesus H. Christo - it is goddamned *tough* to find competent IT support. If they can't do it with automatic weapons and methamphetamine torture parties, what hope do the rest of us have?

      Offer a good wage and free skills training and you can find lots of competent IT people. Be a cheap bastard and shun people because of their age and you get what you get.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    2. Re: chingados consultants, man! by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      They never tried ALL the alternatives, e.g.outsourcing, and so on.

      Not that I was waiting for the phone to ring, or anything like that. Just saying, that's all.

      --
      WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
    3. Re:chingados consultants, man! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Why do you think a drug cartel works any different than the average corporation? Having a budget of millions just for brib... political donations don't mean that you waste more than a dime on the guy running your IT.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  5. RIP System Admin by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Why would the announce that?

    1. Re:RIP System Admin by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Why would they announce that?

      1) The FBI didn't announce anything.
      2) The sysadmin is a criminal that assisted El Chapo. (no sympathy for the Devil's assistant)
      3) It makes for a good story.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    2. Re:RIP System Admin by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 4, Informative

      0) It makes it harder to flip people in the future when he turns up strung up by his intestines after having his penis flayed off and stuffed down his throat along with his fingers and toes with evidence it all happened while he was still alive and conscious.

    3. Re:RIP System Admin by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Most likely the dude got him and his family emigrated to America and in witness protection. Dreams come true - no longer living in the hole he came from, living in the US provided for by government funds.

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    4. Re:RIP System Admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm sure none of the 1500 drug lords and cartel members he ratted on bears him any grudge, they're known to be a forgiving and kind-hearted folk who don't take loyalty all that seriously. Poor too, so it's unlikely any have the resources to track him down and arrange for him to die painfully.

    5. Re:RIP System Admin by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Why would the announce that?

      Likely to override defense accusations of illegal wiretapping.

    6. Re:RIP System Admin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Your assumption is that Rodriguez is still at his admin job with the cartel. Don't you think that by the time he's been named, he's been extracted and possibly given a new identity. If I were Rodriguez that would have been essential of any agreement I made with the Feds.

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    7. Re:RIP System Admin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Depends if you think witness protection doesn't involve new identities which would be the minimum I would request.

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    8. Re:RIP System Admin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      So your response to a point which shows you haven't thought about your point for a second is to attack someone with inappropriate sexual and homophobic drivel? Ad hominem much?

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    9. Re:RIP System Admin by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      My response to you is to ask how many cocks you can stuff in your mouth at once, your points are irrelevant because you've stalked between most of my comments with stupid points lately and I won't give you the benefit of having read them any longer.

  6. Obligatory by Nkwe · · Score: 2

    Obligatory xkcd

    1. Re: Obligatory by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      You're an idiot.

      If you don't see how the referenced xkcd is relevant to a compromised sysadmin, I doubt your qualifications to evaluate idiocy.

  7. How to survive that? by manu0601 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that everyone knows sysadmin Cristian Rodriguez betrayed drug cartel, I wonder what is the plan to keep him alive.

    1. Re:How to survive that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Witness Protection. Unlike the movies, it generally doesn't result in people getting killed after the fact.

    2. Re: How to survive that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They will just him and his family another name, move him to like Montana or whatever, and that will be that. Hopefully they give him enough cash to make turning on the bad guy actually profitable instead of just "enjoy this harsh cold pseudosiberia" or whatever.

    3. Re:How to survive that? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The networks will go back to the old ways. A week round trip for a message by using a human.
      Face to face messages for the long term strategic planning.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re: How to survive that? by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Funny

      +1 for computer repair shop in Montana.
      The only shop in the village that can support a middle class lifestyle doing working class electronics repair work.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    5. Re:How to survive that? by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      From the QOTD below: ""Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature... Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller"

      I guess he's opted for the daring adventure.

      --
      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    6. Re:How to survive that? by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Turn Amish and blend in. His only chance now is a 2nd life as someone completely different. New identity and everything!

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
    7. Re:How to survive that? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Witness Protection.

      It works for non US residents? That an odd way to get a green card!

  8. License key, eh? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fascinating that this kind of organization trusts proprietary software. Too easy to sneak in back doors.

    But I guess if this shop were well run the headlines wouldn't be what they are.

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    1. Re:License key, eh? by Frank+Burly · · Score: 1

      If your sysadmin has flipped, it doesn't matter if RMS wrote all the software himself.

    2. Re:License key, eh? by darkmeridian · · Score: 2

      Dude, the FBI compromised the sysadmin. I don't give a fuck if you use open source software, but if your sys admin is compromised by a "hostile" actor, then you're fucked.

      --
      A NYC lawyer blogs. http://www.chuangblog.com/
    3. Re:License key, eh? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The Soviet Union faced a problem in the 1950's.
      They knew the NSA and GCHQ had total control over all emerging crypto computer systems.
      The Soviet Union had two option. Stay with a one time pad system and transport new codes all over the world using humans. Slow and not good for the vast numbers of longer messages
      Upgrade to a new computer system and allow communication at a mil/gov level like a normal nation.
      But have the NSA/GCHQ be part of all further crypto communications.

      The Soviet Union had to go with computer networks and lost its codes and crypto to the NSA/GCHQ.
      The gain in real time and instant communications was see as worth the risk.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re:License key, eh? by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Right, so you have a choice of running the org as well as the systems and likely making mistakes that will leave your systems open, or spending all your time keeping up-to-date on all the CVEs and keeping your systems nice and secure, leaving no time to run your cartel.

      I suppose you could delegate the running of the cartel to a subordinate, but that leaves you at the risk of being screwed over by those under you. This applies to every part - don't trust the people in the warehouse, do it yourself. The Sinaloa Cartel has (had) an estimated 50-60 thousand people involved - that's about the same size as AstraZeneca, an Anglo–Swedish multinational pharmaceutical. Would you expect a CEO or director to be the sysadmin of a multinational?

    5. Re:License key, eh? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      How different would the outcome have been if they used open source software? Not much different. They flipped the admin. The proprietary license key renewal was a cover for something else that had been planned by the Feds. The admin could have easily sabotaged open source software requiring software to be "upgraded".

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    6. Re:License key, eh? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Who would you get to manage your communication system? I doubt El Chapo himself has the expertise to do it.

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    7. Re:License key, eh? by Megol · · Score: 1

      The USSR did develop their own encryption standards (e.g. GOST), don't know what you are talking about.
      However in the 50's nobody used computer networks to transfer encrypted data so I _really_ don't know what you are talking about.

    8. Re:License key, eh? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "The USSR did develop their own encryption standards"
      That failed when the NSA and GCHQ could read along with the communications sent.
      Lots of nations had fast new methods to move transfer lots of encrypted data.
      All kinds of innovations to Teleprinters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :)

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  9. Best decryption by TheMeuge · · Score: 1

    Nothing beats thermorectal cryptanalysis.

    1. Re:Best decryption by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Too bad there's a shortage these days on Calcutecs that can do shuffling. It's the securest form.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  10. And that someone is always a sysadmin by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Not just "someone", but the sysadmin. The guy who actually enters the commands to give the boss access to stuff can use the same commands to give himself access. Don't hire shady people for those roles, and don't shortchange them on pay so they need a few bucks from someone else.

    1. Re:And that someone is always a sysadmin by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not everyone's like this. How do you find someone like that?

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  11. Re: Why go to such lengths? by astrofurter · · Score: 1

    Drug lords are rich. The rich have civil rights.

  12. underpaying, to keep the commoners common by astrofurter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A long time ago I worked as a security sysadmin for a well known Wall Street company. As part of my work I was given access to the master passwords for ALL the financial systems.

    At the same time, they paid me so little (by Manhattan standards) that I had to live with two roommates. So obviously I was living far below a comfortable middle class lifestyle. While holding the master keys to a system that processed billions of dollars a day...

    As it happens, I was young, and I'm an honest man from a good family. So I did nothing dishonorable. But WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?

    Just goes to show that most rich folks are inbred half-wits who would be flipping burgers at McDonald's if they'd been born commoners like the rest of us.

  13. Security 101 by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Your biggest security problem is always the human factor.

    This is why you keep the wife and kids of your sysadmin in a safe place.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  14. So what you're saying is... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    They didn't crack anything at all, but rather got someone to hand over the private keys.

    That's not cracking. Just sayin'

  15. Re:Why go to such lengths? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    It's because the War on Drugs is simply a facade to justify all the spending. Lots of Americans are getting extremely wealthy off of the WoD, and as with all big government programs, their goal is to self perpetuate, not solve whatever problem was used to sell it to the public.

    If they actually did what they were supposed to do and just iced all the drug kingpins and dealers, they'd win the WoD and there wouldn't be a need for any more billions of dollars funneled into all of their family businesses.

  16. Re: Why go to such lengths? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Because most of them actually believe in following the law, and the rest don't really want to go to jail. All it would take would be for one of these assassins to be prosecuted successfully enough to give up his superiors, and suddenly the whole system comes tumbling down.

  17. The lesson here by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    The cryptography rarely is the weak link in the security chain. The Snowden papers revealed that the NSA carries out its chores most by social engineering and eavesdropping, not by scientifically breaking cryptosystems, and I think it is a safe bet that the same is true in the FBI.

  18. Security by Agripa · · Score: 1

    So the system was so secure that it did not use public-key encryption between clients and had no provisions for perfect forward secrecy?