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Streaming TV May Never Again Be as Simple, or as Affordable, as It is Now (sfgate.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Disney and WarnerMedia are each launching their own streaming services in 2019 in a challenge to Netflix's dominance. Netflix viewers will no longer be able to watch hit movies such as "Black Panther" or "Moana," which will soon reside on Disney's subscription service. WarnerMedia, a unit of AT&T, will also soon have its own service to showcase its library of blockbuster films and HBO series. Families will have to decide between paying more each month or losing access to some of their favorite dramas, comedies, musicals and action flicks. "There's definitely a lot of change coming," said Paul Verna at eMarketer, a digital research company. "People will have more choices of what to stream, but at the same time the market is already fragmented and intimidating and it is only going to get more so."

Media companies are seeking to capitalize on the popularity and profitability of streaming. But by fragmenting the market, they're also narrowing the once wide selection that fueled the rise of internet-based video. About 55 percent of U.S. households now subscribe to paid streaming video services, up from just 10 percent in 2009, according to research firm Deloitte. Just as Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime tempted people to "cut the cord" by canceling traditional cable TV packages, the newer services are looking to dismember those more-inclusive options. [...] The cost of multiple streaming services could quickly approach the average cost of a cable bill -- not counting the cost of internet service. That's around $107 per month, according to Leichtman Research Group.

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  1. Greed != good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're ruining what makes it popular (and therefore profitable) out of greed.
    Any greed-powered system is broken.

    1. Re: Greed != good by edris90 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People create good content out of passion. People create superficial garbage for profit.

    2. Re: Greed != good by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Would the Avengers Universe have been created out of Passion?

      Passion gets you 15 minute short films at best.

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    3. Re: Greed != good by edris90 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Avengers was crap. There is so much damn special effects and fighting filler very little actual movie. The movie is the story and the storylines are fucking crap. Each movies about 15 minutes of story, and the rest is all just technical demonstrations of special effect techniques. The Avengers is a couple basic things with some character types (I say character types because they are not full characters just the most superficial aspects of a stereo type.)

    4. Re: Greed != good by KixWooder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hollywood needs to move on from the superhero genre entirely. It was overdone four years ago.

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    5. Re:Greed != good by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Let them do it. I'll vote with my wallet. I'm subscribed to Netflix and Prime (prime more for shipping than videos, but I occasionally watch things I find on there). And CuriosityStream but that's like $3 per month.

      That's all I'm subscribing to. If another competitor comes along that offers GENERAL content that's better than Netflix I might would one day switch from one to the other, but I'm not subscribing to a separate service for every single media company.

      Trust me, if enough of these new services fail, they'll go back to looking at licensing their content to a third party streaming service rather than doing it themselves.

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    6. Re: Greed != good by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Avengers was crap.

      Nonsense. Cathy Gale and Emma Peel were way ahead of their time.

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    7. Re:Greed != good by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, these companies are each pulling back their own little pockets of IP - but they are still trying to price it as if they were offering a broad selection of content.

      All of these new services are probably worth maybe $3 or $4 a month each. Heck, nowadays that's really all Netflix is worth too. I'd probably pay Disney $4 a month... but there's no way I'm paying more than that for their piddly little catalog.

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    8. Re:Greed != good by b0bby · · Score: 2

      You should see if you can get Kanopy through your library. They have some pretty good documentaries there, and my library gives me 3 or 4 movies a month - more than I have time to watch, anyway.

    9. Re: Greed != good by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Normally when it comes to comics, the original story WAS created out of passion. The movie is usually as successful as they stay true tot he original stories, because if they diverge then they suck everything out of it.

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    10. Re: Greed != good by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      No. But that's what he said: People create superficial garbage for profit.

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    11. Re: Greed != good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only if you ignore the most obvious solution, with a $0 subscription fee.

      Which is exactly what will happen once people are fed up.

    12. Re: Greed != good by DrSpock11 · · Score: 3

      Hollywood needs to move on from the superhero genre entirely. It was overdone fifteen years ago.

      FTFY

    13. Re: Greed != good by citylivin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about like every kubrick film? very very few were made with profit in mind, i think only spartacus was. Something like interstellar which was written, directed and produced by christopher nolan, one person with a vision, could only be done as a labor of love.

      Your comment is just wrong. The films that change peoples lives are never made with profit as the main motive. Superhero movies are not what I think anyone would consider "great" films. They are gods and monsters fighting for the masses. They don't make you think, they reinforce antiquated zoroastrianist duality structures and are generally a tired rehash of good vs evil.

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    14. Re:Greed != good by kaatochacha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps there should be, oh, a middle ground. A gray area, if you will, where after a certain number of years, things lose their copyright.
      Because we should discuss this, rather than the extremes of infinite or no copyright.

    15. Re: Greed != good by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      That won't become true until the comic book stories it is based on are played out. It isn't like the idea of being a superhero or there being super heroes itself ever gets played out. In the case of game of thrones that book content has been chewed through very rapidly but comic books have decades worth of material and were written in a format that translates better to the screen in the first place. It'll probably take quite awhile for the video content to catch up, especially given that it takes a lot longer to make movies than write new comic books.

      What really needs to happen is for TV to catch up to current theater levels of sound and effects because TV segments and comic lines are an even better fit.

    16. Re:Greed != good by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      Disney's marketing strategy has always been to have the customer's kids hold them hostage. That may allow them to be more successful at overcharging than CBS.

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  2. Fragment too much... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fragment too much and all of the streaming services lose ... remember that virtually EVERYTHING is available on sites like the "Harbor for Renegade Sailors" or via hacked Kodi devices. These things are slightly inconvenient to use, but if you have to deal with having 10 accounts, the balance of convenience shifts towards piracy.

    1. Re:Fragment too much... by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      I think he's just trying to make a point without being complicit in advertising for them.

    2. Re:Fragment too much... by zidium · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's find out!

      https://www.yts.am/ -- This is the best movies site where I can find 85%+ of everything I'm looking for and there are -always- seeders. Zero fakes.
      https://thepiraratebay.org/ -- I hardly never use it (too tracked, down, slow) but it does have things none of the others do.
      https://www.katcr.co/ -- The rebooted KickassTorrents. Good content! I use it for stuff not found on YTS.
      https://eztv.ag/ -- The TV torrents site. Has stuff none of the others do, including non-geeky TV series.

      That's generally everything I need to find practically everything I want. I have to use a search engine (DuckDuckGo is MUCH better than Google for finding torrents in 2019) about 2% of the time.

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    3. Re:Fragment too much... by jythie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well.. here is a comment I am saving for later use.

    4. Re:Fragment too much... by ZiakII · · Score: 4, Funny

      You should be ashamed of your self for doing that, Hollywood works hard and deserves to be paid (another comment so I can find this post later for use)

  3. Just don't let Disney bully ISP's with TV to force by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just don't let Disney bully ISP's with TV to force there own Netflix + ESPN online on to all internet subs.

  4. Way ahead of you. by paiute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to enjoy Archer. Then that channel went into a higher tier I did not pay for. I did not add it. Then Comcast put Adult Swim in a higher tier. Bye bye Venture Brothers. Years ago I used to clear one or two evenings a week to watch series I was interested in. Then things went on demand and I could watch them anytime. I ended up not watching them at all since I no longer had to set aside time to do it. I have Netflix and Amazon Prime now, and I watch from them. But I won't follow anything they delete to another pay service. I don't have a chance of watching what I can now. I hear about dozens and dozens of great series and movies made by the streaming services, but I don't watch any because there are just too damn many.

    Now I listen to audiobooks on my commute and that is mostly all the time I commit to narrative fiction. Currently deep in the Inspector Montalbano series by Camilleri. You should give it a try.

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    1. Re: Way ahead of you. by edris90 · · Score: 2

      Is it a funny during the stage when companies plan on losing money to create something that things work really well, but when they start trying to profitize everything goes to shit. Almost as if cooperation and willing sacrifice are the key components two great creations....

  5. I expect things to sort themselves out by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I can see the desire to make money like Netflix and Amazon Prime, I don't know if new services like Disney and Warner have really thought through the business model that will make them successful. What makes Netflix and Amazon Prime interesting to me is the ability to search around and find some unusual movie (I'm always looking for Roger Corman's stuff from the '60s) or documentary as well as take in their main fair.

    I don't see new comers being able to provide a very wide range of interesting content that competes with the established big two. Disney will have their kid shows, MCU and Star Wars and...? Warner, if they bring in HBO, will have a bit more adult depth but I'm still not sure I would opt for it (if they included TCM selections in the mix, I might be very interested). In either case, they'll be niche players and I don't think they'll be able to successfully compete against Netflix and Amazon Prime and I can see them closing down/changing the services in a couple of years.

    What I would expect studios like Disney and Warner doing would be to provide content to the big two but work out a different/preferential fee structure that helps promote their content.

    1. Re:I expect things to sort themselves out by tbannist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From a Disney point of view, owning their own streaming service makes perfect sense, they already have 2 (or more?) Disney channels. They will just make everything they put on the Disney channel available for streaming. Unfortunately, it will probably work. Parents with kids (especially girls) will fork over the subscription rate for access to all of the Disney content (especially Disney princess shows and movies) until their kids outgrow Disney.

      I'm not sure if any of the other company specific streaming services can make it, though. They don't have Disney's catalogue, reputation, or captive audience.

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  6. You'll be back to cable prices again by TomBauserman · · Score: 2

    But with half a dozen bills instead of one.

  7. Go ahead, make our day by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fragment and balkanize as you wish. We'll just fire up our VPNs and torrents.

    The one good way to eliminate piracy is to make online media subscriptions easier to use.

  8. Failed to learn from history by grasshoppa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Keeping things simple is what made streaming as attractive, and profitable, as it is. The only way to make it MORE profitable in the long term is to keep it simple.

    It's almost like no one learned their lessons from the music business; when they fought easy access to content, they lost. When they started making their content accessible in ways consumers wanted, they won.

    Different industry, same results. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes these idiots to learn the very same lesson.

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  9. Dont subscribe to them! by juniorkindergarten · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its pretty simple. Don't subscribe to Disney, Warner et. all. If they wan't to make money they'll have to go back to netflix/hulu. Its up to us to decide if we want to fragment the streaming market.

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  10. Re:makes traditional cable TV packages look better by CreepingDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Made me go the other way. I've now canceled HULU and SLING leaving me with just Amazon and Netflix, and honestly netflix is next on the chopping block.

    Thanks to all this stupidity I've simply stopped consuming most TV and I feel my life has improved as a result. As others have noted, I'm reading more then I use to and using "tv time" to do other useful things instead.

    For a little bit I missed new episodes of things I was following... now that some time has passed, I don't even miss them anymore. Nor did I miss football (first season since I was .. well since I can remember that I did't watch collage and NFL football like it was my job) this year.

    I'll keep amazon around for "The Grand Tour" (and the fact that I use prime shipping a lot still); but if they ever separate the two, I'll drop that as well.

  11. TV is dispensible by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've simply stopped consuming most TV and I feel my life has improved as a result

    THIS!

    Make something "indispensable" hard to use and people will figure out just how dispensable it really is.

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  12. Legal Precedent by Guillermito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... it was decided that studios owning their own theaters was a violation of antitrust regulations. The vertical integration of content production and distribution via streaming looks pretty much like and analog case. Not very likely that the US government would be so eager to enforce antitrust laws now as it was in the 1940s, though.

  13. Not paying for that... by MetricT · · Score: 2

    I like Star Wars and Marvel movies. So I buy them, rip them, and stream them at home on my Plex machine. Why would I pay Disney on a ongoing basis to stream media when I can instead pay once and do it myself?

    Netflix's big competition isn't Disney or Warners. It's HD Fab and the $2 movie table at the local used book store. That, and the "Kanopy" and "Hoopla" apps, which give me access to a lot of streaming movies, documentaries, TV shows, etc., and only costs $10 a year for a library card.

  14. Are people watching all these movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At the same time? Subscribe to one and watch. When you are done unsubscribe and pick up the next.

  15. What goes around comes around... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good ol' days -

    People complain that the "Cable Companies" don't allow them to purchase channels a la carte, and that they are forced into buying bundles of channels.

    Today -

    People complain that the "Streaming Companies" are forcing them to purchase streaming services a la carte, instead of having the option of everything being bundled together.

  16. Re:Just don't let Disney bully ISP's with TV to fo by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

    Not really, The multiplication is bound to hit critical mass at 6. Because virtually every proporty is owned by one of the big 6, National Amusements, Disney, Newscorp, Time Warner, Sony, Comcast. If all 6 of those guys take their balls.. Netflix and amazon would have nothing to offer without selling their soul to some of the big 6. Hulu is technically already split ownership between Newscorp and Disney, So they'd either work together, or sell it to one or the other. and yeah why would the ISP's mind this? It's a big club... and they make up most of it.

  17. Time to revive the Vid Angel model by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Vid Angel was a streaming service based on the idea you could purchase a DVD from them, they would rip it for you and stream it to you, then they would buy back the DVD. Notionally, you are entitled to do anything you like with something you own besides distribute it in violation of the copyright (which you are not doing since you lose access the moment you sell it back).

    They also had one more wrinkle in this equation that appeared to defeat any challenge to the legality of that model. As a paid service they would Bowlderize the content. That is they would micro edit out a user specified set of things you requested. e.g. delete images of gentalia, swear words, gory violence. These might be cuts shorter than 1 second-- and rarely even noticable in practice. They would macro edit longer sequences.

    This put it squarely under the Family viewing act exemption for ripping, and streaming of purchased media for the purpose fo family freindly editing.

    It seemed inconceivable anyone could challenge the plain english of the act.

    Disney did. And they won in court against two different companies trying to use this model.

    But I think the real problem is these were not deep pocket companies. They could not defend themselves. And in the case of vid angel their mission was family friendly viewing not evading copyright laws, so they decided it was better to stay in bussiness. They stayed in bussiness by simply piggybacking their service on other streaming services (Netflix, hulu...) rather than ripping DVDs.

    So at present you can't hire someone to rip a DVD and stream it to you.

    If that could be challenged then one could once again unify all these fragmented providers for any content that was available on DVD.

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  18. Re: Greed != good ( sorta not). by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

    Where as I'd say it is true that people create good content out of passion. Everyone needs to eat and provide shelter for themselves and their families. Any activity for which 'no profit' can be gained will never have passionate people working full time to create great things, nor will it ever have a larger amount of resources then can be gathered by a few people dedicated too it. Not that there is room for a balance, but no profit ( of any kind) guarantees no product and OR no passion. Even simple art cost both money and time to produce. The more complicated the process, the more costly the production. How many hours of your day can you afford to 'do whatever you want' ?

    Of coarse you could make an argument that the government should gather others peoples resources and hand them out to passionate people to do something 'useful' but as soon as you do that I will guarantee that whoever is in control of the current government will want to have some input ( aka control) on the definition of useful.

    If your truism is correct and there is no middle ground I'd suggest you list your 10 favorite movies, and tell me which ones were done with absolutely no intention of making profits. (HINT: unless they are all indie films done with a single camera and no applicable crew there aren't any). Even films done by non - profits hope to make enough money to break even so the non-profit can pay it's employees.

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