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First 5G Remote Surgery Completed In China (ubergizmo.com)
According to local reports, the world's first remote surgery equipment using 5G networks was successfully tested in China. "The test involved a doctor in the southeastern province of Fujian removing the liver of a laboratory test animal at a remote location," reports Ubergizmo. "The doctor performed the surgery by controlling robotic surgical arms over a 5G connection." From the report: The lag time was said to be only 0.1 seconds between the control device of the doctor and the robot in the surgical room. The researchers said that this high speed can reduce the risk of potentially deadly medical mistakes. They hope that 5G enabled remote surgery will soon become reliable enough that it can be used safely on humans as well. This could end up saving countless lives as skilled surgeons will be able to operate on patients in remote locations in a safe manner. The South China Morning Post published a video that shows the doctor performing the surgery.
Somehow I don't find that very fast!
Which of course, introduces the question, why use a 5g connection, or any wireless connection at all, when a wired connection using oh, fiber optic cabling, would be so much more reliable, not to mention faster in terms of both bandwidth and latency...
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
Who cares if we can't afford this for decades! Build a wall first! Foreigners can't bring anything to this country!
They used it to remove cancer caused by 5G
This could end up saving countless lives as skilled surgeons will be able to operate on patients in remote locations in a safe manner.
Only if there is currently a surplus of skilled surgeons, sitting around all day waiting for someone who needs an operation.
Otherwise they will already have their time fully booked, operating on people who are at their local hospitals. And given that most medical procedures have waiting times, the limiting resource would appear to be availability of surgeons, not lack of low latency internet.
Plus, this still requires an even rarer resource: robotic surgeons, to be present in each and every "remote location", as nobody will be able to predict just where the next emergency operation will be.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
Which means even the most remote area can receive access to the sort of big city surgeons that aren't available out in the sticks. Practically speaking this is probably for the party leadership to ensure they have access to their best doctors when they are vacationing out in the country.
Kudos. Not to rain on the parade - The surgery can probably be called "successfully completion" but are/will such surgeries be "successful" or without complications at a reasonable rate?
For all I know this operation is 100% fatal due to operation removing its liver, so no data on survival rate on lab subjects can be derived.
If this operation is followed up with more successful operations (e.g. Liver Transplant) with reasonable survival rate, that'll be when the champagne bottles should be popped.
PRC govt us still up and running
You know this is the real reason for mobile remote surgery, right?
I must have seen at least 50 articles discussing 5g in the past 6 months.
I understand 3G had its own issues, but iâ(TM)m Really not sure what 5g can actually offer. 4g when specâ(TM)d out at the max is exceptionally fast.
They also seriously improved the handshake time, which I believe makes the latency feel better when initially establishing a connection.
At this point, iâ(TM)m unsure what 5g can actually offer? Is anyone finding bandwidth the issue on their cell phone? Iâ(TM)d say battery life, cpu performance. Iâ(TM)m almost positive that what would make phones feel nicer would be /even smarter/ browsers using better caching routines, some kind of improved local dns cache, better ad blocking, faster types of optimised sites in general. (Iâ(TM)ve heard about something called AMP which people hate, but obviously itâ(TM)s some kind of attempt to optimise using the web on a phone)
One complaint i see people make often, is half loaded web sites, you scroll down, an element loads in and then shifts your location on the page, frustrating. This is the kind of thing which should be eliminated.
There is no reason to use Animals anymore for anything other than being friends. I strongly disapprove of this barbaric behavior.
performed by a web cam?
Wireless tele-surgery is by far the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
I suspect using e.g. DTM would be a far better option for most of the transfer.
Ah, but you can’t operate on a patient remotely unless you prioritize the surgery traffic over other traffic, and you can’t prioritize traffic if you have net neutrality.
Here's the thing about "robotic surgery": it's actually really good for a few things, like stuff in the pelvis (prostates, complicated hysterectomies). Anywhere else in the abdomen, it doesn't offer much more than plain laparoscopy does, except cost. I work with surgeons who can have a gallbladder or appendix out laparoscopically before you could even get the robot docked to all the instruments, and it doesn't decrease the number or size of incisions.
Sure, in theory, you can do it remotely. Here's the catch: you still have to have someone on site who can put the trocars in (most surgeons will not let an assistant do this until they have worked with them extensively, as it is one of those things that you can royally fuck up if you don't know what you're doing) and close the incisions afterward. And that assumes that you actually can do the surgery laparoscopically/robotically, which is not a guaranteed thing. We end up performing open operations from time to time once we get in there and see what's going on. Bigger tumor than you thought? You're not going to be able to pull it out through a 12 mm camera port. Someone is going to have to make a bigger incision.
Oh, and I haven't even started the discussion about when things start going badly and you need to act quickly. So: if you have to have a fully-qualified surgeon on site anyway, along with these gigantic, expensive machines, why not just have them do the surgery, and skip the gigantic, expensive machine? It's a neat party trick to say you're doing it remotely, but in practice... it doesn't add much.
What color his pants were?
What about the health risks if blasting high frequency radiation through your body all the time? The ambient price of 5g
And if the link fails, who is going to take over and clear up the mess?
Spoiler the grape survived.
How much of that was caused by the wireless part of the network? Would they have noticed if they used LTE with 20 ms more latency instead? I guess not.
royally fuck up this is China what are the chinese doctor Qualification like?
The only reason I clicked on this article, was to post that I am now at the point where I instantly ignore articles if they have the word 5G in them.
Better than a random surgical tech who's being advised over a mobile link, that's for sure.
This is advance will be great for doctors/surgeon in countries with lousy laws, but expensive and costly lawyer and insurance.
This robot can be used to surgeons to push liability off from them. Now surgeons will operate "remotely" and sign off after the surgery as the operator. If they screw up, someone else will sign off. Now its no longer their ass on the line.
Get ready to see this scam in the US and other 3rd world countries soon.
They just prescribe rhino horn or body parts of other endangered animals.
Robotic surgery wasn't invented and isn't being developed to make surgery better, more effective, or cheaper. Its a way to cut costs in the near future. Not for the patient, mind you, but for the company. Sure, if things go wrong you want a surgeon there to fix it. And for a time, there might be one around. But it'll save on labor costs if you can replace 10 specialized surgeons with 3 specialized surgeons and a couple of trauma surgeons that can handle getting the patient stabilized if things go badly.
Many people can't even begin to visualize a system like this. You just have to look at it with the mindset that there's profit to be had by loosening the hell out of 'best effort' and blaming it on chance. Nursing homes are way ahead of the rest of the industry on this one...doing shit like assigning two registered nurses to take care of 10 'full care' patients for an 8 hour shift.
I'm thinking that if you're a hospital/surgery center doing remote surgeries, you might want to go ahead and spring for a decent network connection for the hospitals at both ends.
The end (university hospital) where the skilled surgeon is sitting ?
Sure, they'll probably have a dedicated fiber going straight to his console.
The other end where the robot surgery is happenning ?
Depends, if it's a regaion that had undergone a catastrophe, the hospital itself is very likely to still have electricity locally (thanks to generators for such emergencies), but the region might be disconnected.
Wireless is the easiest to re-built in case of emergency (just deploy a bunch of mobile cell-tower-in-a-truck over the region, like they do at some massively popular music festivals)
So it's likely that that hospital will rely on wireless for its connection.
The point of this demo is to show that if said wirless is 5G, it might be adequate to perform remote surgeries.
Now think about the possibilities offered to "hospital-in-a-shipping-container" type of field deployment to be used in emergencies, etc.
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as it is one of those things that you can royally fuck up if you don't know what you're doing
It feels like the entire practice of surgery is like that though. Where do you even begin to practice without risking lives? Can you trocar a chicken? Thats not a euphemism for jerking off btw I actually want to know.
The whole point of residency is that you have fully-qualified specialists telling you what to do, and when you start, they watch you like a hawk would a mouse. If you fuck up - which is pretty unlikely, given that they're watching you with a gimlet eye - they are right there to fix the problem. As you gain experience, they start letting you do more stuff by yourself. By the last year of my residency, the staff doctors handed me the main pager and told me to wake them up if someone was about to die. Otherwise, it was on me.
To answer your other question: you could put a trocar in a chicken, but their abdomens are tiny, and it wouldn't be much useful practice. Pigs might be.
I'm not sure you and some of the other commentators with similar points realize how dense 5g deployments have to be. 5g towers are sited every 500 feet or so and each one is typically connected via fiber because of the bandwidth demands.
In current 2019 tests, yes.
But isn't some mesh solution going to be available in the future? As in sprinkle a territory with multiple "cell tower in a cart" and you can establish some level of network (at least for emergency operations) ?
(Or for situations of sudden huge crowds, like festival and other such mass public events ?)
If 5G doesn't have such a solution in the next couple of years, it's going to be pretty much useless...
Yeah, I can think of some weird scenarios where 5g could be used in an emergency, but fiber not be available due to paperwork or whatever, but if you're running the logistics of a surgery center at each end, they're unlikely to apply in 99.9% of the use cases.
Again, in my head "logistics of a surgery center" : could be one of those "hospital in a shipping container" type of things that are planned for emergencies.
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