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Giant Leaf For Mankind? China Germinates First Seed on Moon (theguardian.com)
A small green shoot is growing on the moon after a cotton seed germinated onboard a Chinese lunar lander, scientists said. From a report: The sprout has emerged from a lattice-like structure inside a canister after the Chang'e 4 lander touched down earlier this month, according to a series of photos released by the Advanced Technology Research Institute at Chongqing University. "This is the first time humans have done biological growth experiments on the lunar surface," said Xie Gengxin, who led the design of the experiment, on Tuesday. Plants have been grown previously on the International Space Station, but this is the first time a seed has sprouted on the moon. The ability to grow plants in space is seen as crucial for long-term space missions and establishing human outposts elsewhere in the solar system, such as Mars.
I'm really not sure what this is supposed to prove. Has anybody ever suggested, or is there any reason to believe, that seeds would not sprout on the moon?
I'm surprised that a scientific endeavor would allow for the potential of contaminating the surface with live biological samples.
Regardless if there ever were anything on the moon, this makes studying that harder by its very existence.
Also, we've already done zero-g growth experiments, what value did this add? It's not like the lander sourced soil and water for this.
Is to sprout plants in the unprotected atmosphere of another celestial body, not the protected containers that these plants were in.
Thanks, China, for destroying lunar science by contaminating the moon with Terran plant matter. Now we will always have to wonder if what we discover on the moon was exclusively Lunar or if it was a consequence of China's reckless disregard for science.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2019/01/15/plants-grown-moon-first-time-paving-way-lunar-base/
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
Myserty Red of the Great American Eclipse
It has blood on it!
ABCNews: Eclipse makes pendulum wander
Lunar Eclipse this Sunday evening: Is the red in the dark shadow the whole time, or is it not there, as Nat Geo and WashPost say?
Nat Geo Lunar 101
Chia seeds will grow on terracotta pottery and water.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
It appears it's Earth soil. I found nothing in the article to suggest it's using lunar soil here, which would be the real test. The article should have pointed that out; it's not a trivial admission.
Table-ized A.I.
Reminder that engineering your own habitat to have the "gravity", atmospheric make up, day length you desire and the radiation shielding you need and building your habitat in zero gravity (O'Neil cylinders) are a far more viable option for moving humanity off the Earth than Mars will ever be.
Democrat party leaked nasa seacrets to the Chinks for kickbaks.
Much of China's industry is highly capitalistic. I'm not defending communism here at all, but to say alleged intellectual property theft or "copying" is caused by their "communism" is silly.
By the way, many who have lived in China recently say they have some of the best smart-phone apps there are. Many there rely purely on their phone for just about every Internet service and financial transaction. PC's never really caught on there as a consumer item, so phones have taken their place and they are taken phone apps to new heights.
Table-ized A.I.
A semi-caveat is some believe their gov't assists with industrial espionage. Even if true, that's not inherently a "communist" function. US gov't does similar for military technology, handing off discovered secrets to military contractors. Does that make us more "commie"?
Table-ized A.I.
less G, more Rad :(
little shop of horrors!
Theft of I.P is not, "capitalism".
It's theft.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
China has not been a communist state in a long time. Actually there has never been a government built upon pure 100% communism, socialism, and even capitalism. China and the old USSR governments have created a class of billionaires. This should be impossible in a Communist or Socialist style of government. And capitalism has created a ultra-wealthy class but that is what Capitalism is built for Capitalism forwards the idea that anyone willing to work hard can succeed without needing handouts from the state. Unfortunately the weakness in any type of government is the people. The Chinese people could over throw the ruling "Party" any time the want. There would be a lot of death and destruction but the "Party" could be run out of the country with 1 billion angry citizens. In the US you have the people who contribute nothing but carbon dioxide to the country while expecting handouts on the premise that they "deserve" to take a piece of what others have earned. It would be ok if people expected a hand up instead of a handout but that is not what the agitated prole class is willing to accept.
I see nothing terribly impressive about this. We (the U.S.) could probably land a probe on an asteroid and grow potatoes there -- inside the probe, using Earth soil, and stored Earth atmosphere. We've been growing plants on the ISS for a while now haven't we? This is just a publicity stunt.
> In the US you have the people who contribute nothing but carbon dioxide to the country while expecting handouts on the premise that they "deserve" to take a piece of what others have earned.
Every western nation with strong social programs have over all better quality of life for their citizens than the US. You're a fucking idiot.
Much of China's industry is highly capitalistic. I'm not defending communism here at all, but to say alleged intellectual property theft or "copying" is caused by their "communism" is silly.
By the way, many who have lived in China recently say they have some of the best smart-phone apps there are. Many there rely purely on their phone for just about every Internet service and financial transaction. PC's never really caught on there as a consumer item, so phones have taken their place and they are taken phone apps to new heights.
Probably because like in Africa many never had PCs to begin with and the smartphone was their first exposure to personal computing. Like how some developing nations have large cell phone networks now but little wired infrastructure, by the time the population could afford phones the landline was already obsolete (plus those damned copper thieves cutting down cables as fast as they go up).
Information wants to be free.
Theft is taking something such that the other person no longer has it. That is not what China is doing.
They take unser Luna, they thinka they some coyo....
We not giving them Luna, Sasa?
Well, IP isnâ(TM)t âoecapitalismâ in the first place. Definitely not free market capitalism. IP is, in fact, a government-granted temporary monopoly created through regulation. Thatâ(TM)s true for copyright, trademarks, patents (including âoedesign patentsâ which are the bastard child of patents and trademarks) and for most of the protections for âoetrade secretsâ.
Actual free market capitalism wouldnâ(TM)t touch government granted monopolies with a ten foot pole.
That's not how the government views it. Otherwise, movie and music piracy would not be considered theft, because the copyright holders still have the media. It's not gone, just copied.
I've been to some of those countries. You're the fucking idiot.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
I've been to ALL of those countries. YOU are the idiot, the poster is exactly right - the more authoritarian a country is, the worse the environment will be, in all sorts of ways (including just overall litter, never mind worse pollution).
East and West Germany was the best example of this profound and endlessly repeated truth - Venezuela being the most recent example of how Communism can turn even the most beautiful verdant land into a swirling cesspit of pollution and filth.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I was going to correct you, but honestly since every single point you list is wrong, I figure I would just let people Google your individual points to laugh at you rather than spend all that effort myself.
On a larger meta level, there is a pretty damn huge advantage in having large numbers of people living off planet, some further physically removed than even just the moon or orbit...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Actually, the AC is just a run-of-the-mill idiot. I doubt anyone is fucking him.
Information wants to be free.
Meh. Don't anthropomorphize information. It hates that.
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I'm not really impressed. The soil provides little more than structure for it to latch on to. Ever grow a potato in a glass of water with nothing but toothpicks? How about other plants in a net?
I.P. is a blanket term for Copyright, Patent, Trademark, and Trade Secret. It also implies that I can own an idea or thought, and that you have no right to think of that idea without owing me royalties.
When Amazon patents a button on a website, when Microsoft patents sudo, when Apple patents rounded corners - that is theft.
When John Fogerty gets sued for sounding like John Fogerty, when the RIAA sues the dead - that is theft.
When farmers can not fix their tractors - that is theft.
All of this brought to us by lawyers. Remember, corporations are people too!
Doesn't sound so great actually. It would be more amazing if they learned to wean themselves off of the smart phones.
Both the article and the summary agree, the plant is still a small shoot, so no giant leaves for mankind. Sorry, just a few very small ones!
Are they growing this thing in the dark? Is this a separate landfall on the moon? Did they land on one side and travel to the other?
No, there is little doubt that china spies and steals. I've dealt with 1-2 spies ( 1 that FBI sent packing & the other was not certain ).
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
It's only bad if China does it.
There is no need for the soil to contain any nutrients. Plants grown hydroponically can be growing in completely sterile "soil", or without any soil at all - you can supply the nutrients in the liquid (which definitely is required). Bacteria and animal life are not required, either.
If you need CO2 when you get to Mars, be sure to pack plenty of Americans. They are excellent at making it, twice as good as Europeans or Chinese.