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SpaceX To Shift Starship Work From California To Texas
SpaceX is reportedly shifting its work on prototypes of its next-gen "Starship" launch vehicle from Los Angeles to Texas. The news comes less than a week after the aerospace company announced its plans to lay off 10% of its 6,000-person workforce to tackle its more ambitious projects. An anonymous reader shares the report from Space.com: In a statement, SpaceX said it was now planning to build prototypes of its Starship vehicle, the upper stage of its next-generation reusable launch system, at its site in South Texas originally designed to serve as a launch site. An initial prototype version of that vehicle has been taking shape in recent weeks at the site in advance of 'hopper' tests that could begin in the next one to two months. A shift to South Texas, industry sources said, could be a way to reduce expenses, given the lower cost of living there versus the Los Angeles area. However, that region of Texas has a much smaller workforce, particularly in aerospace, compared to Southern California.
Yeah, when your workers need to make enough to buy a million dollar house that would go for $250k in Texas California seems pretty expensive doesn't it...
"However, that region of Texas has a much smaller workforce, particularly in aerospace, compared to Southern California." = Importing it.
It will be some third world country. They have larger workforce over there...
But then they have to live in Texas, exactly. The trade off. It's there for a reason, that's why it's cheaper. No magic Jeb stuff.
The only problem: that cheap house is in Texas.
Being located in California is easily worth a 400% premium.
I doubt you are earning 400% more, but sure...
Pork pork pork pork pork, squeeeek!
That reason is plenty of easily developed land, and policies which encourage home building instead of nimby horseshit that strangles home construction until even a hovel sells for a million dollars.
Alot of people don't have a successful startup or massive paycheck in their future. They need to live somewhere too...
But then they have to live in Texas, exactly. The trade off. It's there for a reason, that's why it's cheaper. No magic Jeb stuff.
Just keep telling yourself that as the exodus of people and companies from California to Texas continues...
That reason is plenty of easily developed land, and policies which encourage home building instead of nimby horseshit that strangles home construction until even a hovel sells for a million dollars.
Also many areas of Texas have no zoning laws. The Towns/Counties arent telling people what is and is not allowed. They just let the free market handle it, and it works.
"His name was James Damore."
Yeah, when your workers need to make enough to buy a million dollar house that would go for $250k in Texas California seems pretty expensive doesn't it...
Buy a house? No, no, no . . . that's not the plan at all.
SpaceX employees will be given cheap options as beta testers to rent a Tesla Model Mobile Home M, or a Tesla Model Trailer Park Trailer T.
The Boring Company will dig big underground trailer parks.
The future of humanity is electric, and underground. It will prepare us for life on Mars.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
I doubt you are earning 400% more, but sure...
Only housing is 400% more expensive. Gas is about 20% more. Most other things are about the same. Fresh produce is cheaper.
If you are getting a high California salary, and willing to live cheaply, you can save a ton of money.
When I moved to Silicon Valley, I lived in my van for two years. Then I got a private office, and slept on a roll-up mat. After a year of that, I had enough for a downpayment on a house, and rode the California real estate rollercoaster from there.
There is no "exodus of people and companies from California to Texas". Including in this case. Did you forget that you're reading Slashdot, your source for the news of three days ago? ;) Work is not "moving from" California; only prototypes are being built in Texas (because it's impractical to transport prototypes to Texas by ship for testing). Musk notes that in this case that the misinformation wasn't the LA Times's fault, it was SpaceX's fault for giving an unclear press statement.
Hey, guys, I'm just pleased as punch to report that it's a fleet of a hundred Vogon Battle Destroyers!
That's what happens when liberals raise taxes, attack businesses, and generally fuck everything up... between anti business policy and sky high cost of living forcing wages to be artificially high, there's just no economic or business sense in staying in California, and it'll only worsen with Newsome.
a company can have its own employee cafeteria too.
Really great housing.
Less of that big state gov feel.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Drive across the border into Baja California. Ensenada is inexpensive and has lovely beaches. TV news says migrants hate it there though and they really really want to pay rent in American California. Go figure...
LOL
AND the coming nuclear war between Russia and the USA. Gotta cool the planet down somehow, might as well be through a nuclear winter. Save the Earth MFer's!
That kinda sounds cool.. you've got me intrigued
What is going on, is that assembly takes place in texas where a launchpad is at. This makes it trivial to move any rockets to another site.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
There'll soon be a wall over Texas to keep out the aliens.
"There is no exodus of people and companies from California to Texas"
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world.
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2018/12/13/1-800-companies-left-california-in-a-year-with.html
In the real world, new companies keep starting or expanding in the state. Facebook has expanded in Menlo Park. Google is buying all the available properties in downtown San Jose for redevelopment. Los Angeles has had a construction boom for the last 10 years that has not slowed down. California still has a positive migration from other states. It is mostly the poor and lower middle classes that are leaving the state.
you would laugh at people living in California.
In terms of total career work related hours vs leisure time and retirement age the quality of living Texas is objectively better for straight people and Florida is objectively better for gay people.
If you're a productive person you should leave California, they will bleed you dry so that people who can't even support themselves can be lauded as heros for having 8 kids.
Good riddance. We don't need low class thugs or middle class nobodies. They can't and won't understand our values of beauty and internationalism. In our kinder, gentler liberal future society we cannot allow those deplorable inferior brutes to exist.
The sad reality of US politics today is that I can read your text and still don't know if you're trolling or completely serious.
Only housing is 400% more expensive. Gas is about 20% more. Most other things are about the same. Fresh produce is cheaper.
Housing is by far most people's biggest cost so that's not a minor thing. Let's get some better data Cost of housing in San Francisco is about 7X that of the US average and California overall is about 3X that of the US average. Median house price in California is around $500K and in the Bay Area it is over a million. Groceries are more expensive on average in CA, albeit modestly so. Gas and transportation in CA are 40-70% more expensive. Gas prices in the Bay area as I type this are around $3.40/gal versus around $2.10/gal in the midwest. That is ~60% more expensive for those counting at home.
So the tl;dr version is that CA has substantially and provably more expensive cost of living than most of the country. Not saying that is a good or bad thing, but it is a fact. If Silicon Valley or Manhattan is where you need to be to get where you want to go then do what you need to do. But there is a price tag attached to that.
When I moved to Silicon Valley, I lived in my van for two years.
I'm going to stop you right there. Obviously you didn't have a wife, children, and were young enough to find that a palatable option. (or if you had any of the above you had a VERY unusual wife) That sort of thing is fine when you are young, single, and have limited responsibilities and social obligations outside of work. If you are all about the job and in a position to do that then good on you but few people can or will live that sort of lifestyle and expecting others to do it is unrealistic.
Then I got a private office, and slept on a roll-up mat.
Yeah there are damn few employers who would be ok with you sleeping in the office. Maybe that sort of thing is normal at some companies where you are but that is not normal in general. Certainly not outside silicon valley.
Company after company has moved away from high-tax, high-cost California to low-tax, low-cost Texas.
California's big government system is so pension-debt riddled that Californians pay more and get less, and in return get unsafe streets, failing roads, failing schools, and sky-high housing prices.
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I actually disagree with the statement of policies that encourage home building in Texas. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Texas doesn't have a state income tax and instead has very high property taxes to fund their government. If I'm correct on that, then that is a policy that discourages home building.
I've not lived in Texas, but I'm originally from California. I don't live there anymore. I honestly can't think of anywhere I'd want to live less than California. It is a properly awful place to live. I can't even give the specifics, it's just everything. From the absurdity of my hotel room having a sign of saying "this hotel is built with materials knows to cause cancer in the state of CA", to which I say they should have built it somewhere else so it wouldn't cause cancer, to the fact that driving down in to LA, you know there's mountains there, but you can't see them. Then god help you if you're at a restaurant and trying to get your server to actually serve you because after all, they're not actually a waiter, they're actually an actor. Nobody can be bothered to talk to you, you literally can't get around without a car. I remember trying to cross a street and the cross walk gave you enough time to get across at a run, because the cross walks are literally not meant to be used. When visiting relatives, within about 24 hours I'm just desperate to go home.
Only housing is 400% more expensive. Gas is about 20% more. Most other things are about the same.
Actually, Texas is cheaper in many categories.
Housing poverty is usually defined as spending more than 35% of the household income on rent or a mortgage. Of course you also need to save up a deposit if you want to buy.
Since housing is so expensive it forces wages up nearly proportionally. If your rent is $3000/month then you need to take home $9000/month to be out of the poverty zone, which according to a pay calculator I found requires an income of $375,000 in California.
Ouch.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You're a fuckwit.
In your tin foil bigoted mind maybe. fortunately not everyone is a dip shit bigot like yourself. You stay in California and keep your bigoted big goverment opinion to yourself. Hopefully you run out of water and your house burns down after illegals rape both your wife and children.
In a statement, SpaceX said it was now planning to build prototypes
Guess the first line of the quoted summary was too far down for you to read...
If you are getting a high California salary, and willing to live cheaply, you can save a ton of money.
When I moved to Silicon Valley, I lived in my van for two years. Then I got a private office, and slept on a roll-up mat. After a year of that, I had enough for a downpayment on a house, and rode the California real estate rollercoaster from there.
Er, well, I could save quite a lot of money by living in a cardboard box in flyover country too.
And that money would go farther, so there, nyeah! ;)
You define the abomination that is Houston as "just works"???
No zoning and it's a total shithole. Look for the DFW area to follow suit.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/ktvu-...
In recent years, the migration wave has gained steam as housing prices soar far past other states, but the exodus has been going on for some time, according to the study. Figures show the state has seen net resident losses to other states for more than 15 consecutive years.
Still California's population continues to grow, as the number of births exceeded the number of deaths by about 220,000 in 2017, the study noted.
Figures also show there was an additional 185,000 people that immigrated to the state last year from outside the country.
Anonymous comments are as pathetic as the anonymous "sources" that contaminate gutless journalism from the New York Time
I bet he knows a 9.9 quake + tsunami will hit LA.
I wouldnt dare to have operations there, and have it all wiped out , including your work force being dead.
Good luck LA.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
because typical americans cannot detect sarcasm
enjoy the high taxes of CA
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Sure, you can get a cheap house.... but you're in Texas.
Also many areas of Texas have no zoning laws. The Towns/Counties arent telling people what is and is not allowed. They just let the free market handle it, and it works.
Ah, you mean no-zoning like in West, Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
TL:DR -- A free-market fertiliser plant blew up, killing fifteen Americans and injuring 160, destroying and damaging homes and a school sited next to the plant because there were no zoning regulations.
Tell that to the 350 people a day moving to Austin from California.
So, who is going to support your Sybaritic lifestyle if the costs on that is pushed to the lower classes? Already, people who can have bailed to other states where it is cheaper to live, and there is less regulations. The costs of stuff have to go onto someone's backs, and since the upper class doesn't get taxed, the middle class is dying out. Are you going to tax that bum who is pooping on your doorstep?
Problem with California is that their state senate is all done by popular vote. In fact, their entire government is done by popular vote. Which means that if you live outside of SF, LA, or other coastal cities, you have no say whatsoever, and your only resource are Federal lawsuits.
Keep on partying. Don't pay attention that the other end of the ship has a hole in it and is sinking, causing your end to rise up in the air. Let the band play on.
That reason is plenty of easily developed land, and policies which encourage home building instead of nimby horseshit that strangles home construction until even a hovel sells for a million dollars.
Alot of people don't have a successful startup or massive paycheck in their future. They need to live somewhere too...
Have you ever been to Texas? HOAs everywhere. Tolls on every road, tracked by surveillance cameras. Houses on their way to a million bucks. Oh, and exploding warehouses because safety regulations are the devil.
Living in a van is a lot more difficult now than in the past. LA has banned it, and even runs helis with FLIR to catch vandwellers to have their vehicles impounded. The Bay Area, similar. Then comes things like showering, laundry, cooking, and the like.
Oh, a decent van? Expect to pay six digits. Just a bare bones Sprinter chassis goes for $60k+.
I'm in the Simi Valley and Thousand Oaks area of SoCal and when I travel to Texas I really can't tell the difference.
Same endless suburbia, same big-box retail, same dining options, so as far as "middle class" life is concerned, I see no difference.
-Oh yes, there's the hills and mountains, but nobody here ever goes on them, nor does anyone build on them and other than the occasional brush fire that brings them to everyone's attention for a brief while, they make no difference other than making the travel & commute shitty and concentrating housing into a fewer areas thus driving up costs of it.
So what's wrong again with "Texas" and why are we supposed to hate it?
Good riddance. We don't need low class thugs or middle class nobodies. They can't and won't understand our values of beauty and internationalism. In our kinder, gentler liberal future society we cannot allow those deplorable inferior brutes to exist.
Yeah get rid of all the scrubs so there are only the elite left and then the elite become the new scrubs and if you aint a billionaire then you aint shit.
Who the fucks builds a chemical plant next to a school, or vice versa? That's just a bad idea even if you are technically allowed to do it.
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The school was built a long time after the plant was in place and operating. There were no zoning regs that stopped anyone building homes, hospitals, school or anything else next to the wire fence because It's Texas. The previous poster told us the free markets will bring all those people back to life because free markets can do everything. Really.
Ok, but if you move from CA to TX, PLEASE don't bring your liberal politics that reduce rights, and raise taxes...or you'll just be ruining the things in TX that you left CA (the peoples republic of CA).
In the south, we don't need your high taxes, govt intrusion into fscking everything, and oppressive attacks on the 2A.
Try to remember why you left CA, and leave those bad and often failed ideals there please.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
"There is no exodus of people and companies from California to Texas"
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile in the real world.
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2018/12/13/1-800-companies-left-california-in-a-year-with.html
Well then, if there is an actual exodus, you can expect Texas to become the next California.
In our area, we got a lot of retireees from California. They sold their overvalued homes before the great recession, and drove up real estate prices because theat 2000 sq foot rance they sold would buy a 2.1 story McMansion here.
So locals making local money couldn't afford to buy localhouses, and the Cali transplant retireees are dying off.
Good luck, and hope that they don't do the same for Texas.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
because typical americans cannot detect sarcasm
enjoy the high taxes of CA
Never heard of Poe's law? A person can write the batshit craziest thing, and it is indistinguishable from the batshit craziest idea floating around in someone else's head.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Tell that to the 350 people a day moving to Austin from California.
Bragging about what is going to happen, eh AC? That redness you love is going to turn purple, then you'll be awash in leeburls.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
It's not a failure to get rid of the useless workers. CA is expensive because everyone makes so much money here. Those who can't cut it move to Texas. Welcome to competition. You just can't compete well enough to live where everyone wants to live.
The future of humanity is electric, and underground. It will prepare us for life on Mars.
Yeah, or the methane clathrate gun.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"The future of humanity is electric, and underground."
You got that right, but powered coffins ? what will they think of next
I suppose that the land next to the chemical plant is dirt cheap after all so what's good for the bottom line...
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Ok, but if you move from CA to TX, PLEASE don't bring your liberal politics that reduce rights,
lol
and raise taxes...
Stuff costs money.
Texas would have been a blue state about a decade ago if not for gerrymandering. The simple fact is that Texas is around half liberals, not just Austin. You're seriously not even paying attention. El Paso is Mexican, they've come around to liberalism of late as Catholicism begins to lose its hold on them, what with the men in dresses raping children and so on. Austin is Austin. Houston has an international medical community attached to it. Dallas is a college town. Every major city in Texas has some good reason to go blue.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Keep telling yourself that, lowlife. Why am I even wasting time answering to someone who can't understand?
Hawthorne, the city where SpaceX is located, is a ghetto. The cost of housing there is not that high.
Interestingly, this is what the Democrats want for America with their talk of eliminating the Senate and Electoral college.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
No.
Texas has a Constitutional block on a state income tax and many other of the socialists style (it's not actual socialism) programs.
Don't come here looking for a hand out, you will be sorely disappointed. Make no mistake, if you fall on hard times, you have resources. But if you come here to leach, you will likely end up living under a bridge in Austin or Houston.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-losing-low-income-people-gaining-wealthy-people-per-report-20180221-htmlstory.html
To be fair, while 350 a day leave CA, 3,500 illegals a day arrive in CA.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
They're already doing that to Phoenix. The next recession (of the type with mass layoffs) will fix it I think.
Everyone I know in Michigan where I grew up pays a higher percent of their income for housing than anyone I know in California where I live now.
That is factually untrue. Plus I very much doubt you have any idea what percent of your friends/family's income they spend on housing - it's just not the sort of thing people share. People in Michigan spend on substantially less both in total dollars and as a percent of income. There are other data sources too and they ALL show California near or at the top of the most expensive states to live in no matter if you are talking in total dollars or percent of income.
The salaries more than make up for it.
The salaries demonstrably do NOT make up the difference.
Not everybody who leaves California is a Democrat. Many of the ones who leave California are sick of the demogoguery. I.e either you go on Twitter every day to talk about how the world is racist, and then make sure that the world knows how much you hate Trump so much that you're always looking for articles about him in the news and that you can't stop talking about him, and if you're not that kind of person, then surely you are a Nazi and worship Hitler.
The school was built a long time after the plant was in place and operating. There were no zoning regs that stopped anyone building homes, hospitals, school or anything else next to the wire fence because It's Texas. The previous poster told us the free markets will bring all those people back to life because free markets can do everything. Really.
If the school came after the plant, then it sounds like a government screw-up. Having that same government come up with the zoning regs doesn't seem like any particular improvement in outcomes would have been likely. They are (poorly) deciding where it is OK to put a school either way. It doesn't sound like the free market is relevant one way or another here.
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Leaving the People's Republic of California right away is a very smart move. California is completely controlled by progressives, socialists, communists, and a variety of wack-jobs that want to continually raise taxes and regulated every aspect of people's lives.
There is a price to freedom: fools suffer. There is a benefit to freedom: the wise prosper. It's a good trade-off.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I make as much in Texas as I did in Cali. Housing is half as much. You are a fool.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
They hate demagoguery, so they go to the party of trump...
But GP is a +5 fuckwit, while you and I are lowly insignificant forgettable AC's.
You must have made a pretty shitty salary in ca then.
I think what the above poster was worried about was californians coming here, driving up housing prices, and making the area unaffordable to locals.
I may already own my house, but a raise in property rates affects taxes which can knock me out of my house
Got to agree with this... everybody move to Texas and we'll rough it out here in CA alone.
Markets have spoken and found that should be more expensive in CA. I've been to Texas, all over Taxas, and you definitely get what you pay for.
You must have made a pretty shitty salary in ca then.
Employers will offer you similar salaries when you move to Texas, if you're good. It's all the same to a large company with offices around the country.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
No.
Texas has a Constitutional block on a state income tax and many other of the socialists style (it's not actual socialism) programs.
Don't come here looking for a hand out, you will be sorely disappointed. Make no mistake, if you fall on hard times, you have resources. But if you come here to leach, you will likely end up living under a bridge in Austin or Houston.
Whoosh!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I think what the above poster was worried about was californians coming here, driving up housing prices, and making the area unaffordable to locals.
I may already own my house, but a raise in property rates affects taxes which can knock me out of my house
Exactly! And it's kind of hard to figure out how he decided to miss that point.
For sycodon:
People move into an area. They need housing.
Supply and demand my bois! If there is demand, the price goes up.
Coupled with these people coming from California who are used to much higher housing prices, and will happily pay for what seems like a real bargain even if it seems high by local standards.
Then there will be plenty of contractors willing to build these higher priced houses.
Locals who won't be making as much money as the newcomers then get shut out of the market. This is simple market supply and demand, and exactly what happened in my area - not liberal socialism or whatever axe you have to grind.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Not everybody who leaves California is a Democrat. Many of the ones who leave California are sick of the demogoguery.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
A demagogue or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation. Demagogues overturn established customs of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so.
Sounds more like the party of the moral high ground.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Having destroyed California they need new land to raid.
Doesn't the new house construction increase supply? As a west coaster who went to CA for a job and then back home a few years later my impression of the CA home market is that government restrictions on supply are the main culprit for the high cost of housing there. As long as supply can work to meet demand it seems like things should mostly stay in check.
Doesn't the new house construction increase supply? As a west coaster who went to CA for a job and then back home a few years later my impression of the CA home market is that government restrictions on supply are the main culprit for the high cost of housing there. As long as supply can work to meet demand it seems like things should mostly stay in check.
Remember the demand side. When the Cali retirees moved here, they drove prices up. Yes, a lot of contractors made houses, but these people were willing to pay a lot of money. The demand definitely outstripped the supply.
As a reference, my house darn near doubled in price - during the great depression. I still get a lot of offers from real estate companies. A lot of these Cali transplants bought big McMansions, while I bought my house as a single story. Now that they are aged quite a bit, the McMansion isn't so appealing.
One of the funniest things is that most covenents in the developments banned single story houses. Which is exactly what people want now.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
If the school came after the plant, then it sounds like a government screw-up.
It's what happens when we eschew sensible planning in favor of "no planning," and we've seen it for hundreds of years. It's why people eventually got sick of it. No, we don't get "the same likely planning" with sensible zoning.
A lot of these Cali transplants bought big McMansions, while I bought my house as a single story. Now that they are aged quite a bit, the McMansion isn't so appealing.
Doesn't the reduced appeal and demand for those homes on the current market cause them to drop in value compared to the rest of the market then?
You're an idiot. I want idiots like you to hang for treason.
Fortunately, the idiots from CA are buying these 1,500 sq ft homes in Central Austin for $500k
I live outside Austin in a 2,400 sq ft home on 1/4 acre, valued at $300k (3x purchase price).
Seems the idiots are staying close to the other idiots and not migrating out to where the normal people are.
I'm a Democrat and want no such thing.
Your captured data of every detail of every Democrat is flawed.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Throw those numbers around. Comments at social media sites are as randomly made up as your shit.
To be fair (and I'll up you one to "impartial"), while 350 a day leave CA, 3,500 pregnant squirrels eat banana sandwiches in CA.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
So the school administration in this case were fools for having sited a school next to where a fertilizer plant would eventually decide to go? You seem to be missing the basic reason for laws: to make sure that your actions don't unduly (and this is where the rub is) affect others. Getting the balance is really tough... especially when people start spouting religion-like assertions like yours.
It's not just houses: water and roads are also in short supply. If we build more dwellings, freeways will be triple-jammed and water yet even more scarce. There are ways around such, but they are not easy and will require life changes.
Maybe we should find a way to fill underutilized areas back up, like the North East and the rust belt. Dwellings sit empty there. We are out of kilter somehow.
Table-ized A.I.
Only housing is 400% more expensive. Gas is about 20% more.
Working is more expensive, too. By up to 12.3%, depending on your tax bracket.
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LOL you are an idiot. Go grab your guns tho, some Mexicans are at our borders.
Why aren't you protecting the borders? You want the guns, you got them, Gave them to your 15 year old children. Now strap up and do what you said you would do.
You are talking to a person, who thought it was a good idea; to give his 12 year old son a gun for his birthday.
Because you know, tradition. LUL. Never know when you are gonna need that militia.
This. Empty slogans mean nothing.
Where dreams really do come true.
More like the party of the fanatics.
Of course, at this point, I could be talking about either party and it would be true just the same...
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Look at how shitty Texas drivers are. They don't even wait for an on/offramp to enter/exit the interstate!
I mean seriously anyone who has ever been on the interstates in Texas (particularly the N/S ones) will have seen the grooves through the dirt/grass along the roads. The thousands or tens of thousands of dead armadillos, and if they went far enough south, the dirty polluted air caused by the dirty polluted gas of south texas.
Having said that, if you're small town person, and you stay out of the shitty big cities, Texas can have a lot to offer you. Most of the worst parts of texas are related to the yuppie migration from their original Silicon Valley back in the 20s-50s, which I will note is where all the initial seeders of silicon valley came from (and why they chose farm country!)
I'm glad people are downvoting this faggot. Fuck off with your "us folk in the south don't take too kind to your kind"... type attitude.
The tighter the grip, the more control you lose.
I miss the Space Shuttle log in the Texas License place. Will Space X Dragon show up in the Texas License plate?
LOL. Weak troll is weak.
You mean by screaming "Impeach the motherfucker" to a crowd of cheering plebes? That kind of demagoguery?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Wait. That makes no sense.
The people who would have been responsible for the "planning" are the same people that decided where to put the school. Whatever they consider "sensible" got implemented, and we see the results.
Why is there an assumption that people get smart if they land a government position?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
No. The school administration, in this case, were fools for having sited a school next to where a fertilizer plant WAS!
That's actually a significant difference, and goes to show how much "government oversight" is worth.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
The simple fact of the matter is that he is a rich, white, male who builds giant phallus's. These types are not welcome there.
The voters elected a whacko (Jerry "moonbeam" Brown) and a super-majority of Democrats in both the Assembly and the Senate and Democrats to all other state offices. These politicians went wild with leftist activity, increasing poverty and homelessness in the state, driving middle class people out of the state, hammering businesses with taxes and regulations, and wasting BILLIONS of tax dollars per year (23 Billion on illegal aliens alone in 2017, including free lawyers. Billions on a a slow "highspeed train" to nowhere. etc).
In the recent Novemer elections, the voters doubled-down and elected Gavin (a younger and far more left wing version of Jerry) and boosted Democrat control of the state to far more than even super-majorities. CA is now effectively a one-party state with elections rigged so that it may be impossible to ever recover it. If you are going to start or grow a non-internet company (one that MAKES things rather than just pushing bits) and you plan to be in business 10 years from now, you are insane to start or grow it in California.
Sounds like corporations playing corporation games.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I guess if that's true, then we can ALL kiss goodbye the great things in the US I grew up with....the general culture, etc.
We can also say goodbye to our rights and hello to massive Federal invasion of our lives and business.
The radical left have been taking over the Dems, and if they take all 3 branches, say goodbye to anything resembling what made america a free land, and a great country based on the individual.
The 2nd amendment will be run over....and when that goes, you can bet other constitutional protected things will be cut away too, like the 1st....and 4th...and....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
That makes sense. There is not much to see above ground in most of Texas anyway.
I guess if that's true, then we can ALL kiss goodbye the great things in the US I grew up with....the general culture, etc.
I sure hope so. It was racist and sexist AF.
We can also say goodbye to our rights and hello to massive Federal invasion of our lives and business.
If Trump keeps doing Russia's bidding, that will happen sooner than later.
The radical left have been taking over the Dems, and if they take all 3 branches, say goodbye to anything resembling what made america a free land, and a great country based on the individual.
America is a land of inequality through jiggery-pokery. It's never been a free land, and it's never been based on the individual. In fact, it's based on genocide.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The fertilizer plant was there first. That's the moral of the story. The town grew up around the plant, often in very foolish ways.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I'm glad people are downvoting this faggot. Fuck off with your "us folk in the south don't take too kind to your kind"... type attitude.
How do you get that from "if you move here, you might get the same pay and a lower cost of living"? Seriously, how do you get form "it's wonderful here, which is why you should move here" to "we don't want you"?
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
You mean by screaming "Impeach the motherfucker" to a crowd of cheering plebes? That kind of demagoguery?
Is your command of language exposing you as working for the Kremlin? What you are describing is in no way shape or form a demagogue. It doesn't even make sense.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
A lot of these Cali transplants bought big McMansions, while I bought my house as a single story. Now that they are aged quite a bit, the McMansion isn't so appealing.
Doesn't the reduced appeal and demand for those homes on the current market cause them to drop in value compared to the rest of the market then?
Oh hell yeah. Some of these people are losing their butts, because at their age - mid 70's early 80's - they want a single story house. But especially since a lot of the people who can afford to buy housing don't want McMansions. They want single stories now.
In addition, snowstorms show that the McMansions are constructed without much insulation. They have nice pristine roofs from all the heat escaping as they warm the neighborhood.
So the combination of not being allowed to build single story homes, and the demand for them might push my house toward a million here soon. In that case I'll sell it and move to a less expensive area, and keep 500 K of the money.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Fortunately, the idiots from CA are buying these 1,500 sq ft homes in Central Austin for $500k
I live outside Austin in a 2,400 sq ft home on 1/4 acre, valued at $300k (3x purchase price).
Seems the idiots are staying close to the other idiots and not migrating out to where the normal people are.
That's how it starts. We had a lot of people moving to a rural community about 20 miles out of town. Got the real estate prices jacked up, got themselves elected to the school board, and have pretty much taken over from the farmers. Good luck. Money speaks.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
If only you came with something that was true. But you didnt.
The school was put there after the plant was there. You are a complete fucking asshole moron.
"His name was James Damore."
If your rent is $3000/month then you need to take home $9000/month to be out of the poverty zone,
Uh, what? That's crazy, think about it. I know you're using the 1/3 rule, but while it is good advice there are plenty of caveats. The main one being that it doesn't scale linearly. If you are a single person making $900/ mo and spending 300/mo on housing, the remaining 600/mo could easily be spent on food, transportation, and incidentals. So spending more than 300/mo on housing would be pushing you into the realm of unaffordability.
But in your hypothetical case of a single person making $9000/mo and spending $3000/mo on housing that leaves $6000/mo left for "not housing." If you dump 1/3 of your income into retirement, which is highly recommended, that still leaves $3000/mo, which is quite a lot. So that's why you'll see people at this income level often spend significantly more than 1/3 on housing. Whether that's affordable depends on what you need the rest of your income for. If you are paying off lots of debt (ex: med school loans), you won't find it affordable. But if you are mostly debt free, you can spend more on housing easily and probably also still afford a tesla. ;) Either way, it is nowhere close to poverty.
which according to a pay calculator I found requires an income of $375,000 in California.
You clearly don't know how to use that pay calculator then. If your numbers were right, your hypothetical person would be having a ~2/3 withholding from their paycheck, which is ludicrous, even if you consider all levels of taxes and things like the AMT. A single person making ~$200k could theoretically be taking home ~9k/mo after withholding, which is a high, but not crazy salary. Two people living together could easily make that as joint income.
The stunningly large number of California license plates showing up in my new'ish master planned community in Texas year after year says you're dead wrong.
https://smartasset.com/taxes/c...
Slide it up until your take-home is $9000.
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At $200k/yr I got $5326 take-home bi-weekly, which is about $10,652/mo. That's 36% withheld for taxes from a gross paycheck of $16,666/mo, which sounds about right. Mind you this amount can change significantly depending on your allowances, deductions, and filing status, but it works for crude estimates.
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Not GP.
Lol you're such an idiot.
How, specifically, is "Trump doing Russia's bidding?" And how has it affected this country? I don't expect an answer from you that hasn't been regurgitated from whatever tf the news has been feeding you. Inb4 "RUSHHAAN TROLLLLE"