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US Pressed Chinese Firms To Show One Example of When They Resisted Request For Data From Chinese Government, But They Have Never Done So: WSJ (wsj.com)
The latest in the Huawei saga, which is increasing tension between the U.S. and China. WSJ reports about a remarkable event: Confronted with U.S. accusations of cyber espionage, Chinese companies and government officials often accuse Washington of hypocrisy, pointing to allegations in 2013 by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden that the U.S. had been hacking into key Chinese networks for years. Western officials say systems of checks and balances in their countries allow for companies to challenge those demands, unlike in China.
To further highlight that difference, U.S. officials have repeatedly pressed Chinese companies to demonstrate to them one example of a time they resisted a request for data from the Chinese government, but they have never done so, according to a person familiar with those conversations. U.S. intelligence officials have suggested at times that their views on Huawei are informed by definitive examples of malfeasance, though they have so far refused to share such evidence publicly. When the House Intelligence Committee in 2012 published an unclassified report naming Huawei as a security risk, it spoke generally about a lack of trust lawmakers placed in China but steered clear of providing concrete examples of the company being caught engaging in nefarious activity.
To further highlight that difference, U.S. officials have repeatedly pressed Chinese companies to demonstrate to them one example of a time they resisted a request for data from the Chinese government, but they have never done so, according to a person familiar with those conversations. U.S. intelligence officials have suggested at times that their views on Huawei are informed by definitive examples of malfeasance, though they have so far refused to share such evidence publicly. When the House Intelligence Committee in 2012 published an unclassified report naming Huawei as a security risk, it spoke generally about a lack of trust lawmakers placed in China but steered clear of providing concrete examples of the company being caught engaging in nefarious activity.
But those execs are in the Human Plastic Show right now.
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Sounds like the spin doctors have thrown the old loaded question fallacy against the wall to see if it will stick
-- "At Microsoft, quality is job 1.1" -- PC Magazine, Nov. 1994
I bet AT&T or Verizon can't show a single example of a time they resisted a request from the American government.
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The issue is that Chinese firms directly are owned and micro managed by the Chinese government. The US chooses to avoid electronics that are shown to have been part of China's spy efforts. China will, naturally, downplay this difference as if there is no difference at all. There is. Chinese companies directly assist China in spying on the West. US firms do not directly do so.
Please resist your government, but Apple is teh evil for resisting the good ol' US of A
>> Western officials say systems of checks and balances in their countries allow for companies to challenge those demands, unlike in China
USA to large tech: hey company with whom we have a large contract - we'd like to see details on X. If you can't show us, that's cool, but don't forget we're a big fan of your services...today anyway
Arguing with my mother, my father, their siblings, their friends (all Chinese descent), I have learned that they can't handle criticism. Over the past 30 some odd years, in practically every conversation which included constructive criticism they've been completely defensive.
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Conversations usually go like this:
"Why don't my dumplings look as good as yours, can you help me?"
-Them
"If you pinch the edges of the dumpling too hard, the contents will leak out because you're overly thinning out the dough skin"
-Me
"Your posture is terrible, who taught you to stand like that, you should be ashamed for bringing shame to your family name!"
-Them
"How is that related?"
-Me
"You are a terrible person!"
-Them
"I'm trying to ha,,"
-Me
"I can't believe I'm related to you"
-Them
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
-Me
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Armed with this knowledge, I can only imagine how closed session proceedings go with Chinese Executive Leadership.
Working against the government in China is a crime (or at the very least gets you on a bad side of the dictatorial government). Why would any company admit to doing it, even if they did?
In China the Communist party wants the crypto and code.
In the USA PRISM got the crypto.
The EU makes the same demands on what publishing can be on social media.
Should a Western brand invest and make its products in China understand what the Communist party will demand.
Of the US brand.
From all workers who are good Communists.
Try a nation with the rule of law and who will support US freedoms.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Chinese most likely has them, just like the US does.
Moreover they do have the right to resist, as rights are inherent in you as a person, and therefore cannot be granted by other, angry people with guns. They can, however, step all over your rights.
I'm sure there will be kibitzers who disagree, but why would you grant other people the philosophical power to grant you rights on their whim? What a subservient loser they must be.
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You can criticize "whataboutism" if "whatabout'ed" fault is not committed by yourself (or your own country in this context.) However, if yourself commits the same fault that you use to criticize your opponent, or even worse launching a war on the same accusation, that shows your immoral characteristic -- it's outright evil.
There actually *IS* evidence of Russian meddling in US elections. I haven't heard of much evidence WRT it being extensive or successful, but it might have been.
P.S.: There's also evidence of the US meddling in various foreign elections and other policies. Surprise!
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
China is far from a free country. China also has way less freedom than even the shittiest western countries. You can end up being reeducated for even asking a serious question to the local party officials. The icing on the cake is it's a terrible place for the average worker too. The workers have zilch rights even worse than at the crappiest U.S. companies. The pollution problems in China make super-fund sites in the U.S. look like nature preserves.
The worst part is the party doesn't even have any competition. It's the same old story, power corrupts, and in a one party state, that's a hell of a lot of power.
This is all relative. Make a few changes and...
The USA is far from a free country. It also has way less freedom than even the shittiest EU countries. You can end up being bankrupted for even asking a serious question of a corporation. The icing on the cake is it's a terrible place for the average worker too. The workers have zilch rights even worse than at the crappiest EU companies.
and so on.
Yes, I suspect that China is an order of magnitude worse than the US. It just isn't so perfect that its supporters should rabidly criticise anyone else.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.