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Windows Media Player Set To Lose a Feature on Windows 7 (onmsft.com)

With Windows 7 reaching its end of life in less than a year, developers are likely to begin retiring features for the operating system. Kicking off the process of retiring features is Microsoft, which is retiring a feature in Windows Media Player, according to updated support documentation on its website. From a report: New metadata for music, TV shows and movies, will not be added to Windows Media Player. This means that additional information such as cover art, directors, actors, and more, will not display on Windows Media Player. This change also affects Windows Media Center on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1.

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  1. When has that ever worked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, when has that ever worked, I've never seen it.
    Plus, why would you enable a spy feature on your own?

  2. Will this affect VLC player? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If not... don't care.

  3. Who even uses this by kalpol · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's one of the first thing I reset file associations for. So I don't care about their metadata.

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    1. Re:Who even uses this by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not about using it, it's about getting people used to the concept of "retiring features" such that they accept it instead of talking about how Microsoft is conspiring to cripple the OS like they did with XP and the associated malicious updates that broke critical features at the end. They start with stupid things nobody uses so that when they get to the real stuff they can go "retiring features has been going on publicly for awhile and nobody cared." Call it what it is: "crippling things you don't own which customers paid for in order to force them to pay you again."

    2. Re:Who even uses this by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      What sort of "malicious updates" broke critical features in XP?

    3. Re:Who even uses this by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      There were updates at the end of life for XP that would make files disappear from explorer (they were still there most of the time, as they would be visible via another machine browsing that machine over the network - but the opposite happened as well,) there were also instances of search functionality stopping outright, computers with all the patches going at about 25-50% of the speed vs a fresh install (with search indexer and such shut off on each,) different nomenclatures required for logins (e.g. DOMAIN\user vs user vs clicking through some buttons on the login screen to get to a domain selection to type a user,) printers which would fail to locate - basically a whole class of "standard user issues" that happened on all machines daily instead of that one incompetent guy's machine every week.

    4. Re:Who even uses this by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "Who even uses this"

      Interesting question. This is Slashdot where you are asking so are you aware of the concept of "observer bias"? The answer you will get here: no one.

      The real answer: The 100s of millions of people who just use their computer and don't actually mess with any settings at all. I.e. all those Internet Explorer users from the past.

  4. Oh my... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet those who use that feature will be miffed. Both of them.

  5. Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by dryriver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, who watches media with Windows Media Player when free players like MPC offer a much superior experience? MPC can even run custom HLSL pixel shaders on GPU, allowing videos to be enhanced in realtime on GPU (e.g. realtime sharpening, upconversion). You can even write your own .hlsl GPU pixel shader, hit CTRL+S, and MPC applies the custom pixel shader to video immediately. Windows Media Player is not capable of any such feats.

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    1. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by Carrot007 · · Score: 1

      You appear to spell VLC in a funny way.

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    2. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Informative

      MPC? They dropped it too..

      From the MPC-HC web site...

      "
      v1.7.13 is released and farewell
        July 16, 2017 XhmikosR
      v1.7.13, the latest, and probably the last release of our project

      For quite a few months now, or even years, the number of active developers has been decreasing and has inevitably reached zero. This, unfortunately, means that the project is officially dead and this release would be the last one.

      Unless some people step up that is.

      So, if someone’s willing to really contribute and has C/C++ experience, let me know on IRC or via e-mail.

      Otherwise, all things come to an end and life goes on. It’s been a nice journey and I’m personally pretty overwhelmed having to write this post.

      Thanks to everyone who has contributed in any way all these years; Remember, MPC-HC is an 11-year old project.

      Don’t forget, that our official builds, both the stable and the beta builds, are digitally signed. Be aware of scams and only get the files from our site!

      Also, to report bugs, suggestions and generally provide feedback, use our Trac; reporting anything on social media or in any other place is just pointless, as the developers only follow Trac.

      You can download the new version here. For the complete changes see the changelog.
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    3. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      VLC > MPC
      MPC and CCCP were better than VLC at one point, but that time it long past.

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    4. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      MPC-HC is feature complete, stable and bug free as far as I can tell. I'm sure if security issues are found someone will write a patch.

      Lack of updates isn't really an issue. In fact I like that it's not nagging be to update every few weeks. It uses Windows video codes too so any new formats will be supported that way.

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    5. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      Why would you need bookmarks for a video file?

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    6. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

      MPC Black Edition is still active. I don't recall when MPC-BE was originally forked, but had to be at least 5 or 6 years ago.

    7. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      CCCP in was always MPC and ffdshow and later on LAV.

      Ffdshow and LAV are still maintained. MPC-HC is basically feature complete. It will work with updates LAV and ffdshow.

    8. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Why would you need bookmarks for a video file?

      The same reason you bookmark anything. You find something interesting and you want to jump to it again. The reasons for doing that in a bit of video is pretty obvious. This kind of feature is even baked into consumer video playback appliances. They're just static bookmarks set by the content creator.

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    9. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by antdude · · Score: 1

      And the official MPC-HC isn't updated anymore. :(

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    10. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by Daniel+Klugh · · Score: 1

      Huh? My version of MPC-HC is 1.8.4.6.

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    11. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Seriously, who watches media with Windows Media Player when free players like MPC offer a much superior experience?

      You know that the vast majority of computer users couldn't give a crap about the "experience" right? The vast majority will happily use WMP until they find something they can't play. Then they'll use that alternative software until they find something it can't do.

    12. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by SpinyManiac · · Score: 1
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    13. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      It's undead!!

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    14. Re:Everybody On Windows Uses MPC-HC Anyways by aybiss · · Score: 1

      VLC might be OK if they knew how to work vsync and a playlist (yes just the playlist, I'm not holding my breath for any sort of media library).

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  6. Re:Just #LearnToCode by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

    So, what, they can make a shitty web app that will have less features than WMP.

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  7. What's Windows Media Player... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Why use something with an acronym of "WiMP" when VLC and other good options exist?

  8. Re:Turn off updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    but you can turn off the automatic install of them, and decline to install the one that has this "feature" in it. since it's not 'security' related, it better not be in the monthly 'security only' updates and only in the 'security and quality' rollups... pretty piss-poor comprehension of 'security' or 'quality' either way.

    this is a total shit move on microsoft's part. windows 8.1 has nearly four years left in its lifecycle... especially if windows 10's media player retains the feature...... or are they going to delete the 'legacy' media player outright on it (because their spyshit on 10 shows 'too many' people use it instead of the fucking 'apps')?

  9. Re:Turn off updates by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Informative

    The issue isn't an update that removed features. The issue is Microsoft turning off a cloud server that provides this data to Windows 7/8/8.1 versions of WiMP. You'd need to patch WiMP to get the data from somewhere else if you need it.

  10. Not sure why this is being retired by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that thinks there is not a good reason for this? MS is shutting down a service that supplies metadata to Windows Media Player that affects all players on OS older than Windows 10. Why isn't Win10 affected? Surely there isn't anything that should break in metadata that would break the OS. This isn't like when MS turned off the PlaysForSure servers as they deprecated everything with those old systems. This seems to be a forced push to people using older Windows.

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    1. Re:Not sure why this is being retired by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Why isn't Win10 affected?

      I thought Windows 10 didn't include, nor run WMP without some kind of hack. If that's the case, then no Win 10 will not be affected.

    2. Re:Not sure why this is being retired by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      WMP isn't front and center of Win10 like previous versions Windows but it's still there. You have to set it to be the default player. There are older features that I think that you have to hack like DVD playback.

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  11. Hey look! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's probably the last time Microsoft will officially recognize Windows Media Center as existing.

    But that's ok, because Cable companies will continue to encrypt every channel they legally can while renting you a CableCard, and the only software that you can get to decrypt it? Windows Media Center.

    Legal lock-in for DVR rentals. And the cable companies wonder why we hate them.

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    1. Re:Hey look! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      WMP != WMC

      Yes, but TFS says "This change also affects Windows Media Center on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1" so it's relevant

    2. Re:Hey look! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Which seems just as good of a reason for Microsoft to do its final update. There were probably a bunch of fixes in the work, just waiting for a release, and now that the product is at end of live, just push them all out. Giving the people who still use it, a little extra life out of it. Especially as Microsoft really isn't pushing a replacement for it.

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    3. Re:Hey look! by gatorMagic · · Score: 2

      I still run a Windows 7 box since I have WMC on it. WMC can record an OTA or cable channel (those that aren't restricted) with my CableCard and then I (or most likely my kids) can watch it anywhere, cell service or not. A partial end run around the cable's DVR monopoly. I'm going to miss it; my Tivo is good but it can't do that. :-(

    4. Re:Hey look! by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Me too! It's annoying that my cable company insists on using the CopyOnce flag on most of their channels; MythTV has major issues with that and PlexDVR is still very much a 1.0 product.

      I haven't tried it yet, but this looks like the next step for me:
      http://epg123.garyan2.net/
      It costs $25/year for the SchedulesDirect subscription, but that costs far less than renting a DVR from the cable company. If you're like me and intend to keep WMC going for as long as the hardware holds out, it might be worth the look.

    5. Re:Hey look! by G00F · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or when I see WMC, I think of windows media classic not windows media center...

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  12. Re:Turn off updates by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 2

    More than likely that they want to kill WMP
    Good riddance but what they replace it with will prolly be shitter than WMP.
    Prolly worse than RealPlayer. Who remembers that mess.

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  13. Re:Turn off updates by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One less server tracking your viewing habits?

    Good riddance!

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  14. Re:Turn off updates by spire3661 · · Score: 2

    Nobody asked you. Not all PCs are actual personal computers. Some of them are essentially cogs in a larger apparatus. If a machine has a small proscribed role , there is no need to apply patches unless you find an actual hole that affects your use-case.

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  15. Douches by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

    This is like a car manufacturer saying "since your car is 10 years old we're going to retire the taillights."

    1. Re:Douches by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Forced obsolescence.

  16. Re:Just #LearnToCode by Sniper98G · · Score: 1

    #LearnToCode and write your own!

    Careful there, that'll get you banned for hate speech on twitter.

  17. Missing the point by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    Most of the comments here are really missing the point. The moral of the story is If it needs external services to function YOU DON'T OWN IT. You can never OWN it.

    Even if its OSS you might not be able to own it. At least there you'd have shot anyway at being able to implement some kind of patch to get whatever data it needs from some other source, or be able to obtain enough information to implement your own replacement service and or change where it points replace whatever certificate it requires etc.

    Still we need some consume protections that require disclosing of external service dependencies and/or some rules requiring companies to support/maintain the services their products depend on for some minimum period of time as long as they are going concern.

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    1. Re:Missing the point by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone was under the delusion that the metadata from the internet was anything they owned. ... Or even cared to own. ... Or would even work if they owned it themselves.

      and/or some rules requiring companies to support/maintain the services their products depend on for some minimum period of time as long as they are going concern.

      Unworkable. Right now you're talking about a completely secondary feature to the primary function of unpopular software which is well outdated and for which a company offered a free update path. Any legislation you pass that offers protection against such an edge case would have dramatic consequences.

      You'll also get no support for this, not while Windows 7 happily boots and those files still play.

  18. Re:Turn off updates by darkain · · Score: 2

    Automatic updates has absolutely nothing to do with this. The service in question is just that, a service, not a piece of software. Think of it as Microsoft's version of the CDDB database. They're shutting down servers. Any metadata content for your CDs that is already downloaded locally will continue to function just fine locally. Only "new" content, such as attempting to load a new CD into Windows Media Player will fail to obtain the metadata because the metadata database service online is being shut down. These articles are just FUD tactics per usual about the end of days!

  19. Re:Turn off updates by scottrocket · · Score: 2
    Yes, from the article:

    "This change doesn’t affect any major media player functionality such as playback, navigating collections, media streaming, and so forth. Only secondary features that require downloading of new metadata are potentially affected. Windows 10 is not affected. This change is effective immediately."

  20. Re:Turn off updates by KIFulgore · · Score: 1

    Well I'd finally blocked the memory until you reminded me o_O

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  21. Re:windows 10 coercion by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Speaking of Win 7 and Win 10, when is Microsoft going to bring out a good desktop OS?

    In related news, I see that the forecast for tomorrow night is for Hell freezing over (actual temperature -35f locally and the high for Wednesday -21f )

  22. Re:Turn off updates by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    New metadata for music, TV shows and movies, will not be added to Windows Media Player.

    Will anyone even notice? I mean, apart from 80-year-olds who don't know that anything exists outside of MSIE, WMP, and Notepad, who actually uses WMP for anything?

  23. Re:Turn off updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No it isn't. Updates don't protect you from anything and if you think otherwise, then you don't understand computer security.

  24. Re:Turn off updates by unixisc · · Score: 1

    As far as Windows 7 goes, does it even work? I thought support for Windows 7 has already ended.

    Reading the description, it looks like a deliberate downgrade, since Windows Media Player is not the media player of choice on Windows 10: that role has been split b/w Groove and Movies. (A pretty stupid move, since Groove can't play music videos, while Movies can't distinguish b/w movies and video clips I take on the iPhone of the kids.) So there really was no reason to touch WMP: just leave it alone, and let Windows 7 users keep using it.

    While I'm on 10, I'm planning to leave once Microsoft goes Windows 365. Already, I'm on TrueOS for most things, and just use my Windows 10 laptop for things that have to have Windows, like that Cisco Packet Tracer simulator (which I haven't so far figured out how to get on FreeBSD). But other than that, Windows 10 is genuine garbage, unlike most versions upto Windows 7. I might move to a Mac if I can afford it

  25. Re:Turn off updates by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    New metadata for music, TV shows and movies, will not be added to Windows Media Player.

    Will anyone even notice? I mean, apart from 80-year-olds who don't know that anything exists outside of MSIE, WMP, and Notepad, who actually uses WMP for anything?

    WMP is the best music management software for automatic playlists. You can create playlists based on the metadata, file location, file name, etc. I have a WMP add-on that allows me to sync my music collection to my iPod classic, including my playlists. However, most people have moved on to streaming instead of buying music, so it makes sense that Microsoft would drop this.

    As for removing the metadata updates, that's annoying but not a big deal for me. Most of that can be entered manually anyway and artwork can be dragged and dropped on to the album.

    But yeah, the flavor of the day is to rent music and movies. When the apocalypse happens, at least I'll have tunes...