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JavaScript Overtakes Java As Most Popular Programming Language (venturebeat.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Today, HackerRank released the 2019 edition of its annual Developer Skills Report (PDF), surveying over 71,000 software developers from more than 100 countries. Every single industry requires software developers, meaning competition for technical talent is fierce. The idea here is to help everyone from CEOs and executives to hiring managers and recruiters understand the developers they're pursuing. We've put together a quick video to summarize the results. HackerRank asked developers which programming languages they knew and which ones they wanted to learn. Seventy-three percent of developers said they knew JavaScript in 2018, up from 66 percent in 2017. JavaScript was 2018's most well-known language, compared to Java in 2017.
There is no way Java was ever #1 in the first place. Give me a break.
I'm surprised Java has held on this long, but there is a ton of enterprise Java development still out there... it seems like in recent years stuff like node.js has really started to take over server development, and Javascript is slowly spreading to other realms as well.
It's funny how languages that are never favorites of the purists seem to always end up at the top...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Java Script is more popular than Java?
No! It's not true! It can't be true!
Search your feelings... You KNOW it's true....
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JavaScript is the best language for learning? Christ.
Two things I learned today:
JavaScript is the #1 most known language on the planet. https://venturebeat.com/2019/0...
"Black Panther" is the best movie of all time according to Rotten Tomatoes https://www.rottentomatoes.com...
It is amazing what you can learn on the Internet.
No, javascript is the worst programming language to ever plague this sad planet.
Just because it runs in the browser does not make it good.
I spent over a decade developing in Java, from v1.18 to v6+. The last project was a large Spring app for digital inventory.
Java was never a good choice for web development, and the evidence of that was: J2EE + frameworks. J2EE was unmanageable without a framework, and the frameworks themselves were huge and burdensome. And compilation...bleh!
JavaScript is quick and light for whipping up a web application. It's drawback is the lack of static types, but there is TypeScript if you want it (not perfect, but maybe useful). The other drawback is specific to npm: each module contains its own dependencies. That is both good and bad: good, in that you don't have version conflicts; bad in that there are so many libraries there's no hope you can verify the security of your site, especially for less popular modules.
If you post it, they will read.
JS was the reason I never did get into webdev besides some minor pages that just use CSS and HTML.
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JavaScript is the best language for learning?
Yes. To get up and running with learning the basics, it is, especially since it's syntax is very similar to many other programming languages, like C and C++. That's the biggest reason I'd choose that as a learning language over Python. You can learn conditional logic, loops, arrays, strings, variable scope, functions, order of precedence, etc., without having to worry about learning strong variable typing, memory allocation, pointers or advanced data structures. Those subjects are all important, but they're just not necessary to learn the basics.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
I wouldn't call it a good learning language. But it doesn't require additional tools to be installed.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
News from the survey
#1 Botique languages are less well known than Perl and include Go, Kotlin, Clojure, Rust and Erlang .NET Core and maybe React for getting a job
#2 Survey does not ask, what languages did you use on a large project? A more important measure of languages to know.
#3 Learn Python and TypeScript
#4 Learn Angular, React, ASP.net,
#5 Negatives at work transcending tech: too many interruptions (pings slack, hipchat, meeting invites), estimates treated as deadlines, everything is top priority
#6 Senior developers want more money, junior developers want technology skill advancement
Like the use of 'purists' when describing programming language preference. Fits well.
C# purists in charge of the language are turning it into a a mess of thousands of cute features for language lawyers. (the maze of twisty passages all alike language)
Learn languages and frameworks for which you can actually get a job today.
All the cool kids refer to JavaScript as ECMAscript these days. If you're lucky, they'll even write you some code that doesn't break in older browsers. Buy a MacBook Pro and some horn-rimmed glasses already, old man!
As I continue to develop my new data management system in that archaic language C++. I am one of those Luddites who believes that 'scripts' are for doing once-in-a-while tasks that need to be written quickly or updated often. Real programs are written in Assembly or the next best thing...C or C++. Of course, all the young programmers can't believe the demo when my system can do something in half a second that usually takes 10 times longer using something else.
It is extremely accessible.
It's the closest thing we have to the various flavours of BASIC we had installed in the 8-bit era.
Not sure if that really compensates for its shortcomings. Not sure if learning BASIC was actually that good, to be honest.
Well, it's the best language for learning a few swears you didn't think you had inside you.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No. Effin' no. The callback concept of Javascript is alien to pretty much ANY other language on the planet.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
OK, feel free to ridicule me on everything I'm getting wrong as I'm a C#/C++/Fortran developer, the only JavaScript I've done is enough for the front end of a simple web game a few years back...
What I know with JavaScript is you have a lot of different ways to use the language, but it was meant to be to C what Java is to C++ but for web development. Or provide something like C's function oriented style that looks more like Java.
So does this mean we are reverting (progressing? subsiding? meh...) back to functional programming? Whatever gets the job done I suppose, as long as people understand what the job is.
I'm sure Android development pushed Java numbers up quite a bit. With Google transitioning that to Kotlin, that's also part of the reason the Java numbers are in decline, though it doesn't help explain why it's Javascript that has overtaken it...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Like what? [I'm sincerely curious.]
Here I assume you are referring to "Javascript slowly spreading to other realms as well". Have you not read about Electron apps recently? Or used apps like Slack which are based upon Electron...
Also I find it perverse that node.js is taking over server development. Really? At what scale?
Perhaps you have heard of a little company called Netflix?
You can also get a sense of it from StackOverflow.
I don't do much server development these days myself, or any node.js. But an important part of being a professional in any field is try try and keep your ear to the ground as it were and know about industry trends. Just from paying attention to general StackOverflow questions, talking to other developers around the world, you get a sense that Javascript has really grown in general use, especially so I'd say at medium sized companies.
If you look at the chart it's in a little bit of a decline from the peak but is still above Java... I think that is showing the continued strong performance of Python taking over some roles Javascript has been taking over.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
public class Main {
public static void main(String[] args) {
System.out.println("Hello World!");
}
}
Sure, you need the compiler and jvm to run, just like you need a giant browser to run JS on the client, or node and all its friends to run it on the server. Pretty comparable.
@Controller
class ThisWillActuallyRun {
@RequestMapping("/")
@ResponseBody
String home() {
"Hello World!"
}
}
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It is extremely accessible..
So is meth.
And McDonald's is probably the most popular food. That doesn't make it good.
To me javascript has always been a language for quick and dirty hacks, but which has grown to be used in way too many places.
If javascript counts as "development", we as an industry are in a sad state.
While we're at it, let's talk about the most popular screwdriver brands in the world, too! https://vincerants.com/the+mos...
Remember those applets and Java web start? Well, it was just as insecure as downloading a program and installing it on your machine. And, consequently it was all removed with Java 11. Javascript replaced a lot of stuff including Flash (good riddance) with its web applications. I remember when hardly anyone heard of Javascript and a lot of people confused it with Java. And now Javascipt is actually taking over a lot of Java domains. Remember when the FSF went on about the Java trap. (an issue that has since been resolved with OpenJDK) now we hear about the Javascript trap, and how websites are running non-free Javascript on your computer. I should really look into seeing if I can make Wograld into a Javascript game. I don't know how suitable Javascript is for it, since the current client is a Java program, and it is real time instead of turn based. But it might be worth looking into just for the advantage of users not needing to download a client.
and openjdk you can write embedded control software in Java too.
It's only a matter of time before my antilock brakes pause for garbage collection, I guess.
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Madge: You're soaking in it! Salon patron: (jerks hands out of liquid)
The front-end of MATLAB is written in Java. MATLAB is a scripting environment for Java -- you can create instances of Java classes, assign them to MATLAB variables and invoke their methods. Java arrays of numeric types are more-or-less compatible with MATLAB "matrix" variables. I tell people using MATLAB, "Java, you're programming with it!" (person jerks hands away from keyboard)
I suspect that other such programming environments (Maple, Mathematica) may be doing the same thing.
you ignorant clod!
This is one aspect of "Modern Languages" which I hate.
npm, cargo, pip...
These package managers for additional libraries are really a step back. I like to avoid 3rd party libraries as much as possible, because they become a weak part in the long term support of your application.
When developing, especially if the language is new to you, trying different variants to see which library works best for you means you may have 2 or 3 libraries that do the same thing installed, and if you are not doing proper documentation, you may forget which ones you need to run when deploying.
Secondly some of these are not long term supported, so after a couple of years, you have to use a different libary and need to re-code portions of your application.
I much rather have a language with a large default set of libraries that covers most of the tasks at hand. Database connections, file i/o, secure ftp, ssh, https...
then trying to hunt and peck and find 3 ssh libraries, where 2 of them just doesn't jive to my way of thinking about it, and the 3rd one hasn't been touched in 2 years.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
It's not so much the leaning towards windows being the problem. It's more the "Look at this shiny new framework everyone should be migrating to right now because it's the new and future STANDARD," before loosing interest four years later and deprecating it. This is, more or less, what killed the Windows Phone - they blew through three different development models in six years, and nobody was going to stay on that treadmill any more.
I blame google. They have a huge browser market share. If they had introduced a second Chrome programming language that could be used instead of JavaScript then all of the other browser makers probably would've been forced to adopt it as well.
You lay down with Oracle, you wake up with software audits (and fleas).
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If your antilock brakes pause, you car is garbage! Or it will be a few short seconds later.
The big question I have is will new dashboard have a "Null Pointer Exception" warning light?
Because if you are dependent upon code you don't control, or understand fully, whoever does control the code has leverage over you. and may choose to apply that leverage in the future for economic Advantage
All but the very latest/greatest anti-lock brakes degrade gracefully to regular brakes.
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I appreciate you explaining why you are posting AC on this...
Your link to the StackOverflow, while good, lacks insight as to the use of their language or how long the language has been around. You could have, for instance, a language that has been around for a long time and so many questions have been asked and answered that there's no need to ask new questions.
Given how long Javascript has been around, the trend line it has for number of questions is even more impressive!
I think comparing it to Java though is pretty reasonable since they have been around for a similar duration.
The aspect of our language questions muddying results though, is the reason why I included EJB and node.js on the chart. At the scale it has though those are pretty flat Ines, but even there it looks like node.js comes in ahead of EJB. If you killed off the languages it would probably be clearer.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, almost.
But as it slowly dawns on the JavaScript community that statically declared types are a really useful concept, TypeScript et. al. are becoming much more popular.
So eventually you will see JavaScript as a Java like language for practical purposes. A surreal, twisted Java for sure, but with the three most important features Java introduced to the mainstream. Garbage collection, type safety, and, using incredibly complex compilers, efficiently compiled code that is not C.
So very much this! Well evolved, tested, tried, fixed, documented, supported go-to libraries with a developed community and user base. The path to good sleep at night.
I too prefer that to having my application break because I used some random developer's left-padding component that I found in a repository.
Java is really not bad in this light. Remember, it is the tractor that pulls the race car out from the bushes when it has slid off the track.
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