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Thelasko writes: Reading Kashmir Hill's series Goodby Big Five on Gizmodo made me consider switching to a custom Android ROM like LineageOS again. The Gizmodo articles make it seem that most phones are so locked down it is almost impossible to do. My last experience with custom ROMs confirmed that to be true for me. Is anyone having success? Why is LineageOS making builds for 185 devices if no one can use them?

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  1. Derp summary summarized : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Why is LineageOS making builds for 185 devices if no one can use them" = you have yet to prove that nobody can use them, only that you cannot.

    1. Re:Derp summary summarized : by Krakadoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Uhm, that's why he's asking if people can actually use them. The last question is rhetorical. ....

  2. One possible reason... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just because you (the average consumer) can't use it on a phone you got from $carrier, doesn't mean that others can't put it to use.

    That's not meant to be an insult, by the way... unlocked phones (that are truly unlocked, not just 'unlocked' to allow a different carrier w/ the same tech) can be loaded with the ROM and taken to town.

    PS: If you're gonna talk about it, then be kind and provide a link to LineageOS, mm'kay? :)

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    1. Re:One possible reason... by Dracos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android, as well as the rest of the mobile space, is not meant to serve the user: it's meant to serve handset manufacturers, carriers, and app developers, and content providers, everyone except the user.

      I'll get another mobile device when it actually feels like mine, not something that seeks to abuse and exploit me at every opportunity.

    2. Re:One possible reason... by nnull · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is, Samsung and now LG are selling phones to the US market that can't be rooted, making these roms useless. Sony lets you root but they gimp the camera so much that it negates the benefits of rooting their phones.

      And by the way, I love lineage, but when more unrootable and unlockable bootloader phones flood the US market, it's making it very difficult to find a device that lets you load up lineage on your phone. Just look on the XDA forums. There's an ongoing attempt to root the LG40 with massive failure. The US Version of the Samsung S9 can't be rooted. And of course you get the whole "You don't need to root your phone anymore, trust in Samsung and LG guys, they know what they're doing *wink*" posters all over the place.

      And yes, I know I can buy international phones from Ebay easily, but the point is, US devices are being gimped on purpose.

  3. Absolutely still a thing by schklerg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I run it on my One Plus & Samsung tablet. I will not buy a device that doesn't let me root it & run Lineage. It also enables me to run adaway & block trackers and other stupid parts of the android ecosystem which I do not like. I may eventually move to Purism & LibreOS though. Privacy respecting technology is unfortunately not mainstream, but it matters to some of us.

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    1. Re:Absolutely still a thing by hojo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am in the same boat. I won't buy a device until I research its support by Lineage.

      Anything other than unlocked is a dead end. I refuse to struggle to deal with artificial barriers on a product I ostensibly own.

      If I can't block ads and restrict what any given application can access, then I don't trust the device. All of my devices are rooted and customized by me.

  4. Unlocked Bootloader by thevirtualcat · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not impossible. It just requires doing your research before you buy. There are two things you need to look for.

    1. Unlockable Bootloader

    This is challenging because many OEMs will require you to go through a bunch of steps intended to make doing so as difficult as possible (beyond what is needed for data security.) There have been instances of OEMs just outright lying when it comes to bootloader unlockability. And of course, even phones that are to be unlockable have that disabled from some carriers. (Verizon, especially. Even Pixel devices can't easily have their bootloaders unlocked when purchased through Verizon.)

    2. Community Support

    LineageOS and xda-developers are good place to start. Popular flagship phones are more likely to have good community support around them if they're unlockable. Of course, you can always try to build AOSP for your own device, but community support will still be invaluable as most OEMs play pretty fast and loose with releasing their GPL code. (It's often difficult to get a fully working AOSP build with that the OEM gives you.)

    1. Re:Unlocked Bootloader by ctilsie242 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Community support is important. I have obtained phones and unlocked the bootloader... only to find that there are no ROMs available, and the only real option you have is to use a factory ROM with Magisk, so you continue to receive updates. This is better than nothing, but the best thing going is LineageOS.

      I wish XDA would have a list of phones, which would be maintained/updated often (at least monthly) of phones to buy that are easily unlockable or rootable. That way, someone doesn't buy a Huawei device and then wonder why they can't do anything with it.

  5. PixelExperience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought the midrange Moto X4 last fall when my Nexus 5X died. Motorola's website allowed me to unlock the bootloader (with the caveat that this voided the warranty). After that, I have installed different variants of Pie roms. I found Lineage 16 to be OK but my on-screen buttons would disappear, especially when I switched users. I now enjoy the PixelExperience Pie rom which gives me a lot of flexibility with settings like dark mode which are coming to regular Android but are not there yet. I also was able to find some great Magisk (rooted) modules, including one that significantly improves the sound of my cheap bluetooth audio headset. I even used root mode to use my microsd card as adoptable storage which is not enabled by Motorola.

    So, yes, Android roms are alive and well, despite what some "expert" at Gizmodo says. xda-developers website has a plethora of information.

  6. Re:Moto phones are unlocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Newer Motos are locked unfortunately. If you contact Motorola for an unlock code, they'll give it to you and then void your warranty in their system.

  7. Re:Locked bootloaders killed them by SIGBUS · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only that, but even if your bootloader is unlockable, that doesn't necessarily mean that you will find any ROMS, and even if you do you might find things not working, such as VoLTE. That latter issue makes a custom ROM a non-starter for my three-year-old LG.

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  8. Is it even really worth the effort for most folks? by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember playing with custom ROMs like Cyanogen, years ago, with my Samsung Galaxy phone on Sprint's network. Even back then, it created a lot of headaches for me. Nothing insurmountable, ultimately, but it wreaked havoc with things like Sprint's "visual voicemail" on the phone until some special patch came out to fix it, and there were bugs for a while where the phone would stop ringing on incoming calls.

    After that, I swore off the custom ROM hacks, because I needed my cellphone for work as well as for just personal calls and entertainment. It's not worth having some cool new features and custom UI if it means I miss a few important client calls or the phone gets unstable when I'm counting on it.

    (I wound up pretty much moving myself to the iPhone as I got more invested in the whole Apple ecosystem, and except for the stupid high cost of the latest XS series phones, I haven't regretted that a bit. If Apple doesn't start offering more bang for the buck by the time I'm ready to upgrade phones again, I *might* switch back to an Android. All depends on what the landscape looks like then, I guess. I'm good for another couple of years, I think.)

    But I did have to tinker with the low-cost Androids again, trying to find my teenager a phone to use on a budget. I'm really disappointed in those options. Went with a Motorola E4 as seemingly the best of a bad bunch of cheap ones. At least it has the fingerprint reader on it and more RAM than most. Unfortunately, I couldn't put it on her "SimpleMobile" plan like I wanted to (they use T-Mobile's network), as it was carrier locked to Verizon. People told me, when I bought it, that "That's no big deal! Just pay a few bucks for an unlock code off the Internet and you're good to go!" Well, I'm finding out now that nobody does unlock codes for these anymore. All you get are some shady foreign people who want you to give them TeamViewer access to your Windows PC with the phone attached to it, to unlock it for you for a price. I've paid 3 different people now and not one has actually tried to remote in and do the job. Starting to wonder if it's all just a big scam?

  9. Project Treble by Namarrgon · · Score: 5, Informative

    In some ways we're now entering a golden age for Android roms, with the advent of Project Treble.

    All phones shipping with Android 8.0+ are required to support Treble's platform abstraction layer, making life dramatically easier for custom rom bakers, going forward. Older phones benefit too; once their idiosyncratic hardware support is adapted to Treble, they can also expect easier and more stable updates. Generic System Images (GSIs) are now the norm, and will more or less run on any compatible platform.

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  10. It's not about new features by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about privacy. If you're fine with Google knowing everything there is to know about you, then you're right, there's probably no chance. Call me nuts, but I don't want to give Google (or Apple) all of the details of my life.

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    1. Re:It's not about new features by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google is not the only one that tracks you.

      Your carrier tracks you. Sorry. They do it in different ways, but your location-based services are all ready and waiting for you.

      Your DNS tracks you. Maybe you use CloudFront 1.1.1. but ask CloudFront what THEY do with the data. If you use Google's DNS, you're insane if you don't think they're tracking you.

      Your IP address is going to come from somewhere, bubba. Hmmm. Wonder what CIDR bock that address comes from. Oh.

      It's really tough to not be "uniqued". True anonymity sadly has to consider all of the most paranoid possibilities. Why? Who has more computing power, you or them?

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