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Lufthansa Sues Passenger Who Missed His Flight in an Apparent Bid To Clamp Down on 'Hidden City' Trick (cnn.com)

Airline Lufthansa has sued a passenger, who didn't show up for the last leg of his ticketed journey, in an apparent bid to clamp down on "hidden city" trick. From a report: The practice involves passengers leaving their journey at a layover point, instead of making a final connection. For instance, someone flying from New York to San Francisco could book a cheaper trip from New York to Lake Tahoe with a layover in San Francisco and get off there, without bothering to take the last leg of the flight. According to a court document, an unnamed male passenger booked a return flight from Oslo to Seattle, which had a layover in Frankfurt. The passenger used all legs of the outbound flight, but did not catch the Frankfurt to Oslo return flight. He instead flew on a separate Lufthansa reservation from Frankfurt to Berlin. The report adds that a Berlin district court dismissed the case in December last year, but the airline company is now appealing that verdict. Worth noting here that United Airlines has also tried its luck on this front -- to no dice.

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  1. Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if you needed to go somewhere else because of an emergency? Should you really be forced to take every leg of a flight you have booked?

    If they don't want people getting off midway through a series of flights, maybe try not pricing an entire trip with multiple legs less than the individual flight to the city in the middle. Their own byzantine pricing system is what led to this result.

    If they were smart they'd take advantage of such travelers and allow them to cancel some of the legs after booking, as a way to illuminate pricing errors in the system. Then they'd have an open seat someone else could fill as well. Win -Win.

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    1. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This passenger behavior is just a form of arbitrage. The airlines have created unequal markets for point-to-point travel, and some clever people are taking advantage. Arbitrage is as old as markets, is never going away, and almost always benefits consumers.

      The airlines are presumably hoping for some sort of regulatory capture to distort the market, but I don't see them having much luck with that in Europe. They'd have better luck buying a Senate committee here in the US.

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    2. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not really convinced on your last part. They scan tickets as you're boarding a flight, so would know if you weren't on it in the case of an accident.

      On through flights passengers are not forced to deplane and reboard, they generally stay on the plane, so tickets are not rescanned.

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    3. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by sobachatina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Airlines do everything in their power to cheat the customer. Just look at the overbooking practices.
      Customers have almost no recourse.

      This guy didn't "cheat the system" he bought a flight and didn't take it. Are you honestly suggesting that he is morally obligated to consume the seat he purchased? Do you also think that if you don't finish your meal the restaurant can sue you?

    4. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >The airlines are presumably hoping for some sort of regulatory capture to distort the market

      Or they re trying to give attention to the trial so people dont do it by fear of getting sued.

    5. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now, I don't approve of this guys behavior, these tricks to cheat the system, normally always end up making us pay more.

      I approve of it. For one thing he isn't cheating the system. For a car analogy, guy paid for a 7-day rental but returned the car on day 5 and did not request reimbursement for the remaining 2 days.

      If paying for something, not using it, and not requesting a refund somehow results in other people paying more for that thing, that is a seriously broken system and I cannot understand how you can defend it.

    6. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by Cederic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they are needing to drive traffic to that destination for some reason

      Maybe so, but buying an airline ticket in no way obliges you to use it.

      If anything you're saving them money through improved efficiency (fewer bags/people to board/disembark), greater safety (fewer people stampeding through an exit in an emergency), a superior experience for their other customers (more elbow room, fewer distractions for the cabin crew) and lower fuel costs because the aircraft is lighter.

      Shit, they should be paying him.

    7. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The skipping out part is the issue.

      OK, so don't use the word "skip" as a pejorative, and the whole problem is solved! Wow, that was easy. They didn't "skip out," they "went somewhere else because they enjoy Freedom."

    8. Re:Seems like they don't have a "leg" to stand on by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because A) your luggage B) where did we lose this person C) we now have to delay the flight to make sure our count is correct. D) is there a security risk to the plane.

      A) your luggage This trick doesn't work with checked bags, since airlines tend to check bags through to the final destination. Hidden-city travel is a strictly carry-on-only tactic.

      B) where did we lose this person They know where they lost you, since they scanned your boarding pass when you boarded the first flight, and they didn't scan your boarding pass at the gate for the connecting flight.

      C) we now have to delay the flight to make sure our count is correct This is the only potentially obnoxious consequence--some airlines may delay a flight by a few minutes to allow a "lost" passenger to get to the gate. But if an airline has a takeoff slot they're not going to give it up to recover one wayward traveller. And they do a headcount of passengers on board before every flight anyway--if it matches the count they get from the scanned boarding passes, they're good to go.

      D) is there a security risk to the plane Nope. They know that you and your carry-on were on the first plane, but that makes you no more dangerous to that aircraft than any other passenger. They know that you're not on the second plane, since you and your carry-on never boarded. They know you don't have a checked bag in the hold.

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  2. the airlines built, they need to suck it up by Bugler412 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Airlines build a pricing system that enables this sort of behavior then blames the customer for using it?

    1. Re:the airlines built, they need to suck it up by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a form of "gaming the system" that can cost someone else money. When the Sacagawea $1 coin first came out, people could use their credit card to order direct from the U.S. Mint. Some people figured out that they could accumulate points on their credit card by purchasing the coins, depositing the coins at the bank, and paying off the balance on their credit card. Do that enough times you could get a free vacation to Hawaii. That practice was soon put to an end by the U.S. Mint, as that was not how they wanted the coins to be circulated in the economy. The only time I see those coins is when I get change from a government vending machine.

    2. Re:the airlines built, they need to suck it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the airlines should take a tip from the mint then and end their insane pricing practices. notice the mint didn't sue anyone for perfectly legal activity just because it wasn't what they wanted. they where the ones to change not the customer.

    3. Re:the airlines built, they need to suck it up by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a form of "gaming the system" that can cost someone else money.

      How? Provided the passenger had no checked bags (which would be really hard to get back so I doubt this was the case) there is no way that not taking a flight results in a higher cost to the airline, in fact the exact opposite is going to be true since they can save on fuel.

      As I understand it an air ticket is a contract you purchase from the airline that they will transport you between two locations on a certain set of flights. You have not promised that you will take the flights you have merely purchased the right to take those flights. If you decide at any point not to take a flight then, while you forfeit the cost of the ticket, there is nothing they can do. If not then this would mean that, in addition to forcing you to buy another ticket, the airline could sue any passenger who failed to turn up for even the start of a flight e.g. due to traffic delays etc. Good luck to any airline that starts doing that!

  3. What? by bigpat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously... what? So an airline gets someone to pay for a ticket and they save the airline money by not taking up space and weight... presumably someone could have flown on standby also so there is potential for the airline to double dip if someone doesn't show up for their flight... and they are pissed 'cause their pricing model didn't account for people who might want to actually go to the layover city. They aren't losing money by someone paying for, but not fully utilizing the service. The airlines should be liable for court costs plus penalty if they pull this shit.

  4. I fail to see the problem. by acoustix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my experience many flights are overbooked (which I think is an asshole move by the airline). The passenger paid for a ticket and then didn't use it? How are they losing money? Either the seat is empty for the last leg of the flight, saving the airline on fuel. Or the airline can resell the seat or give it to an overbooked passenger.

    If the airlines are going the legal route for this BS, then just wait for an onslaught of justified passenger lawsuits by of crappy industry practices.

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  5. New tactic: sue your customers. by fredrated · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What could go wrong?

  6. Airline's simply sqeezing every dime they can by Lucas123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Airlines charge you for food, for blankets for baggage (believe it or not, they never used to). Like banks, which now earn more through fees than interest or investments with your money, Airlines are basing more and more of their revenue on fees. So, here we have an airline upset that they couldn't squeeze one more passenger into a seat on a flight.

    Hey, Lufthansa, the passenger paid for the flight; it's not your prerogative to force him/her to take every leg.

    I hope the court rules against the airline.

    1. Re:Airline's simply sqeezing every dime they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I've never thought that my baggage might get cold and needed blankets, I feel like an ass. I'll be more considerate of my baggage's needs in the future.

  7. Re:So, what are the airline's damages? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also, what performance did the passenger fail to perform? He paid money in exchange for a seat on an airplane. Doesn't sound like he wanted a refund or anything, he paid his money, then chose not to avail himself of the service.

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  8. Re:Their growl has no bite by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They still got paid the asking price, what does it matter if the passenger is actually there or not? Surely if anything that would save the airline a tiny bit of fuel costs.

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  9. Re:So, what are the airline's damages? by Nkwe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    what damages did they incur by the passenger breaching their contract?

    If a passenger doesn't show up for the last segment of a flight, the airline has to make the decision that the passenger is not going to show up and act the airline has to act on that decision before the plane departs. The decision involves if the airline should wait for the passenger and potentially delay the flight, give or sell the seat to a standby passenger, or leave the seat empty. The airline also as to check to ensure that no bags were checked, as if there were bags checked they generally have to be removed from the plane (security rules say in most cases a bag may not fly without its passenger.) Making that decision that the passenger isn't going to fly may delay the flight and inconvenience other customers both on the plane and in the case a delay cascades throughout the system on other flights as well. Making the decision and potentially delaying flights has costs in terms of airline personnel time and customer goodwill. Granted it is hard to put numbers on those costs, and a bunch of those costs should already be baked into the system, but a passenger skipping a flight is not without impact or cost to the airline.

  10. This makes no sense? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not always done by airlines for shits and giggles. A lot of airports have frequency requirements for landing slots, so instead of flying completely empty planes on routes to preserve slot allocation (which does happen), they may offer reduced fares to those cities.

    Your argument makes absolutely zero sense. If they flew an empty plane then they would make no passenger revenue for that flight. However, by reducing the cost of a ticket when the passenger flies an additional leg they will actually now have negative revenue because the passenger is paying less than they would have if they had got a ticket just to the hub.

    Your scenario provides motivation for not adding anything to the cost of the ticket to fly the extra leg (they are going to fly the plane anyway and the extra convenience might attract more passengers) but your argument provide no economic reason to reduce the cost of the ticket for flying an extra leg. I suspect the difference is because a different destination is a different market with different competitive pressures. So really it is just the airline trying to screw more money out of people staying near a hub because they know they will pay it.

  11. Re:That's not just a "scenario" by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is actually how airports set up their runway schedules. There's a set number of departure and arrival slots and if an airline starts missing the slot they risk loosing it - so to preserve those slots they'll straight up run empty flights. It's similar to back when they had limited international phone lines - big companies would pay people to read books over a connection so they could hold the line so they wouldn't have to wait for it to become available again when they needed to make an urgent call.

    The other reason they run empty or near empty planes is because if that plane doesn't make it to the destination, then it's not going to be able to make its next scheduled flight.

    But none of this is the passenger's concern - if I paid for a connecting flight, the airline is getting the same revenue from me whether I get on it or not, but they are saving a little money in fuel and other costs when I don't get on.