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Eating Processed Foods Tied To Shorter Life, Study Suggests (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The New York Times: The study, in JAMA Internal Medicine, tracked diet and health over eight years in more than 44,000 French men and women. Their average age was 58 at the start. About 29 percent of their energy intake was ultraprocessed foods. Such foods include instant noodles and soups, breakfast cereals, energy bars and drinks, chicken nuggets and many other ready-made meals and packaged snacks containing numerous ingredients and manufactured using industrial processes. There were 602 deaths over the course of the study, mostly from cancer and cardiovascular disease. Even after adjusting for many health, socioeconomic and behavioral characteristics, including scores on a scale of compliance with a healthy diet, the study found that for every 10 percent increase in ultraprocessed food consumption, there was a 14 percent increase in the risk of death (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). The authors suggest that high-temperature processing may form contaminants, that additives may be carcinogenic, and that the packaging of prepared foods can lead to contamination.
The extra salt alone is enough to kill people.
Processing eaten foods is not good for health either.
And swallow
sugars are the devil.
at some point, we're going to start setting these kids on fire when they try to publish stupid shit like this instead of giving it media attention.
Poor people eat more processed foods. Poor people die sooner.
if they were doing an ACTUAL study, instead of this nonsense? they'd be feeding rats different types of food and studying their life cycles.
(hint: that's been done, i'll let you find it though! the results may shock you!)
Pass me another can of pasteurized processed spray cheese food product so I can take myself out before it gets any worse.
Rich people who don't have time to cook and clean, eat unhealthy food too.
The increasing food-sensitivities of children have been blamed on additives but that's not unhealthy food.
Diet-conscious people claim that high-carbohydrate meals, or processed foods, are unhealthy.
Raw milk is better for you. Listeria is fake news created by the dairy industrial complex to keep consumers on profitable processed food.
I'm astonished that we are still paying good money for researchers to confirm this very simple fact over and over again.
See that "Preview" button?
You even wonder how processed foods last so long?
They do it by consuming the life energy of the future consumers to keep themselves looking youthful!
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"..that for every 10 percent increase in ultraprocessed food consumption, there was a 14 percent increase in the risk of death ."
So what happens if I eat 100% processed food? Am I 140% dead?
Obviously, we can't learn anything about anyone anywhere until we implement reforms to address economic inequality... But, in reality, there are ways to correct for socioeconomic factors, the researches did that. You're just trying to make a point, that might be true, but isn't supported by this particular article.
Processed food is typically carbs, and carbs are addicting. Addiction to carbs means more carbs, which leads to being fatter. Being fat stress the bod causing heart problems, and diabetes.
I thought recent advances have pointed to the importance of gut bacteria which isn't/wasn't well understood. The fact that in order for processed food to have the long shelf life, bacteria killing chemicals are added to these processed food which kills what you have in the gut.
I am surprised this wasn't mentioned at least as a probably cause.
the only way to combat "common sense" is with education & hard science. For centuries the excuse for abandoning the poor has been "they're just of low moral character". Science is gradually eliminating that excuse and education means folks can't pretend not to know it.
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You must be one of those people with vaccine triggered autism.
The burden of proof is for you to prove that Listeria exists. I don't have to prove a negative.
If I increase my intake of processed foods by 80% I die right then and there 112%.
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You mean I can just eat myself to death?
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Burger King, here I come!
... directly correlates with my current diet. When I force myself / see to it that I cook myself and eat healthy and ad in an amount of fresh veggies and similar foods and reduce sugar (the only substance I'm addicted to) I am more "awake" than usual. That effect kicks in noticably after a week or so.
The more processed foods are, the more unhealthy you're living. To me that's evident in quite a few ways.
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I like my food so I realllllly don't give a shit.
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Damn. Someone figured it out, so I might as well spill the beans: Yes, the government has been secretly swapping infants shortly after birth. We track the kids lives and do autopsies to confirm that processed foods do in fact kill you sooner. The program is so secret that not even the hospital staff knows: our operatives just come in and switch babies at random.
Unfortunately this program has also caused divorces when the fathers inevitably ask "Why is my baby a different color?"
... it is the way and procedure food is processed. Foodprocessing factories put way too much sugar and salt in their products, and of course other substitutes that are just not right in food (cellulose, fibers etc.). Proper, wealthy processed food is possible, think of things like greatgrandmothers used to preserve food.
Bach says it all.
Your own body need glutamate and produce it in quantity which are nearly 100 times higher than what is in food: there is a few hundred mg free glutamate in food (the rest is bounded in protein) and your body produce about the order of magnitude of 10s grams per day during the protein processing. Basically the few hundred mg are not doing anything much (well or you should stop eating fresh tomatoe !). The only few study I know of, which showed an effect, had to inject huge quantity of glutamate at nerve termination, but then again you may as well do the same study and inject any stuff the body does not expect at nerve termination in huge quantity and see an effect. All other studies showed exactly zilch.
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I really wonder how many of the maladies of old age are actually deficiency disorders.
Vitamins were discovered when someone figured out that people going months without eating Vitamin C got sick. Someone empirically figured out that eating citrus fruit staved off scurvy and that led to the discovery of Vitamin C. Other vitamins are also important but take longer before a deficiency makes you sick.
Natural food has all kinds of stuff in it and I wonder if some of it is healthy in really subtle ways that take a very long time to show up.
Also, processed foods lack fiber, and you need some in your diet, to help your body control cholesterols.
Finally, omega 3: I read a book called Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill that claims that omega 3 fatty acids are essential to health but at least 95% of people in North America don't get enough of it. Omega 3 is not found in processed foods, because omega 3 oils go rancid very quickly. Before processed foods, everyone got omega 3 naturally (for example, by eating fish or eating meat from grass-fed cattle) but these days people get very little, and get other kinds of oils instead. Since your body is made from what you eat, if you don't eat enough omega 3, your body has to use the other oils and it doesn't work as well. The book claims that while our bodies can't make omega 3, our bodies can convert it from one form to another; so it would suffice to eat only fish oil or only flax oil or whatever and trust the body to convert DHA to GLA or whatever.
My wife and I buy flax oil blend and use it to make salad dressing; it's a painless way to add omega 3 to your diet.
Simple salad dressing recipe:
3-4 tablespoons of oil (flax oil, or olive oil)
1 tablespoon of balsamic vinegar (or any other vinegar you like)
sea salt to taste
black pepper to taste
We measure into a convenient cup, then whisk with a small wire whisk. It's fast and easy. We have figured out how many cranks of the pepper mill or how many twists of the sea salt grinder measure out the amount we like so it's a quick grind-and-count, no need to use measuring spoons for the salt and pepper.
Sometimes we put in some tomato paste; you can buy tomato paste in a tube, and it's a handy way to add just a little bit when making just enough dressing for a couple of salads. Or garlic powder or any other spice that suits your taste. It's easy to tweak the recipe. We don't bother buying pre-made salad dressing anymore.
We used to buy omega-3 chocolate truffles. They were expensive but were a tasty way to add omega-3 to our diets. Sadly the manufacturer no longer makes them... I think they were too expensive and didn't sell fast enough.
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Self-reported study (ie: the weakest type of study)
Small and unreliable data set (They had a large number of participants, but the data from each participate was tiny for the period: "Participants were selected if they completed at least 1 set of 3 web-based 24-hour dietary records during their first 2 years of follow-up.". That's data 2 days in a median 7.1 year period. People's diets tend to vary day to day.
Poor baseline controls. "Self-reported data were collected at baseline, including sociodemographic, lifestyle, physical activity, weight and height, and anthropometrics." It seems like it would be important to ask about individual and familial medical histories. ie: Perhaps the number of people with diabetes or genetic heart conditions were not evenly distributed.
Q. If I eat nothing but vegetables and brown rice and give up beer, wine, tea and coffee will I live to be 100?
A. It'll sure feel like it!
TY, IHAW.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I hope it's ok to eat regular and silken tofu, both of which are processed foods.
(I'm guessing the 44,000 French men and women who were tested didn't eat much tofu, so the effect of eating tofu wasn't checked out.)
Good luck finding ANYTHING to eat that hasn't been processed. Even organic isn't really organic.
this sounds legitimately like the ravings of a madman... i'd get help if i were you. you have problems. i can only hope you listen.
We all know all of the racists' arguments. Repeating them does nothing but to give the racist a feeling of accomplishment (a feeling they lack in their day to day life). They're barren of reason and only simpletons latch on to them. It's no coincidence that the IQ of racists is so low it rivals down syndrome as a debilitating factor in day to day life. Studies have shown that racists are actually harder to train than people with traumatic brain injuries. So, it's up to normal people to show these invalids some compassion for their disorder. It's not their fault. They might have been abused or eaten lead paint chips. Maybe they were born with tiny chipmunk brains. Whatever the cause we should just accept that they've got less control over themselves and try to understand that their stupidity is a result of poor genetics or some egregious environmental catastrophe.
So eating less nutrients and more chemical additives is associated with poorer health and short lifespan... It's news only to Americans. I wonder what they think is the reason they have so poor health, or why their cats and dogs have half the lifespan of cats and dogs in other parts of the world.
If there was "a link" between my velocity-having foot and some uppity med student's asshole, they'd publish a study on how the existence of feet in relative proximity to the anus is strongly linked to anal sphincter tearing, extended incontinence, and a temporary shoe polish flavor during heteroflexible analingus, so you should minimize exposure to feet in close proximity due to the risk of butthole fracturing. And it'd probably get published in the fucking Lancet because why not?
Frankly, I stopped listening to all the "links" medical studies have found ever since the great lie about saturated fat and red meat being poison were exposed as politically forced nonsense that resulted in the obesity (and associated health issues) of a huge chunk of the population. One can often find flaws in such studies and they almost always suffer from assuming that correlation equals causation and/or ignoring significant factors that could explain the observed phenomenon that aren't the thing they're "linking" to it. In a study saying that people who eat lots of cheeseburgers get more heart disease, they would focus on the high saturated fat content of the burger and say that's what causes the heart disease while completely ignoring the fact that people who eat lots of cheeseburgers tend to be poorer, less educated, and make lots of other life choices such as smoking and watching TV all day long that could easily explain the poor health...but noooo, gotta demonize sat fat, man, so ignore all that bullshit!
Hello,
I heard the omega 3 fatty acid story slightly differently than you tell it. ALA is the primary omega 3 fatty acid present in plant sources. Your body doesn't want ALA, it wants DHA or other forms of omega 3.
No problem, your body will convert ALA into DHA or whatever it needs. However, I read that this metabolic pathway competes with a process that converts dietary omega 6 fatty acids into what the body needs. So if you have a lot of omega 6 fatty acids in your diet, and not very much ALA, your body can't effectively make enough omega-3 like DHA that it needs, even though there's sufficient ALA. In this circumstance, you're better off eating DHA or whatever your body needs directly. I.e., not flax oil, but rather fish oil.
So flax definitely helps, but you'll want to dial back the amount of plant-based omega-6 as well.
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packaged snacks containing numerous ingredients and manufactured using industrial processes.
The only thing one could consume that would not fall under that is water. Everything else contains numerous ingredients. And we can't manufacture things using non-industrial processes.
It's like telling someone something for years, and they don't care until they read it in the newspaper and then they tell YOU about it.
If this didn't have a lasting impact on the human genome it would be easier to let people slowly degenerate, though perhaps it's too late already
I suspect part of the aminoacids of the protein in food are chemically changed by the industrial processing to unnatural toxic aminoacids.
Here are examples of toxic aminoacids:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I suspect the body could use the unnatural aminoacids to build proteins. Those proteins could cause proteopathy, like for example alzheimer's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I am generally gravitating towards eating at home for breakfast/dinner but I still go out for lunch during the week. Partially because I don't prioritize time for meal prep and partially because I just want to get out of the office for a break.
There are a handful of places that have some relatively healthy food options available eat but there aren't many places focused on serving healthy food. Is it even viable?
e.g. proof that certain ideas are just plain wrong.
When somebody throws nonsense like supply side economics or anti-vaxxer crap or anti-GMO crap in your face you need to be able to say "You're wrong" with no doubt. Faith doesn't work when you're trying to make it in the real world. Faith is too easily exploited. You need the certainty that comes from being factually correct.
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It's the sugar. It's always been the sugar. The thing is, the sugar industry knew the negative effects of their product for years (watch Dr. Robert Lustig's analysis of fructose metabolism if you're curious on how it's nearly identical to alcohol to the liver) and BRIBED prominent scientists to pin the blame on saturated fat, cholesterol, etc. Yes, when I write "bribed" it's exactly what it sounds. Researchers recently found internal sugar industry documents where they're arranging payment for fabricated research. And since they started big and started early, it's an established "fact" that fat is the enemy. But's it not. Fat has never been the major problem (although vegetable oils definitely worse - due to their instability - than other types of lipids), but we've cut our fat intake based on the advice of "experts" and replaced it with sugar and refined carbohydrates. Look around and see how that went.
"Go look on a milk carton sometime. They'll have "No rBST" and then a legal disclaimer."
The legal disclaimer of "no significant difference between cows treated with rBST and those that aren't" is due to a decision made by the FDA. Actual science, court cases, and basic statistics later proved that rBST does indeed have a significant difference thus nullifying the FDA's claim. The FDA, however, has not rescinded its position on rBST not because the FDA is a scientific organization but rather a political one. As a result of this and other braindead decisions at the FDA, I don't trust anything they have to say. No one else should either.
"companies moved to corn syrup from sugar because it was less expensive"
The reason it is less expensive is government food subsidies drastically lower the price per bushel of corn. Corn syrup and HFCS are cheaper to make. Drop the subsidies and sugar will be cheaper. And the switch to GMO corn happened because the subsidies for a bushel of GMO corn were far greater than traditional corn even if producing a bushel of GMO corn actually costs twice as much as a bushel of traditional corn. Farmers are always looking for ways to cut costs, so the switch was an easy decision to make for most of them.
Of course, these are taxpayer dollars lining the pockets of a handful of companies like Monsanto. Taxpayers should be rioting over the massively increased per bushel costs of food production being subsidized. However, they don't understand basic farming terminology nor where their tax dollars are being funneled to and so they don't realize that they should be rioting.
"It really takes a hell of a lot of effort to mess up fruits and vegetables."
Look up Flavr Savr. It was a disaster but that doesn't mean that people and companies aren't trying extremely hard to mess up fruits and veggies.
Monsanto and other companies are going after rice in India and other countries that depend on rice for basic living and where fruits and veggies are a rather small part of the average diet. Throw in dumb ideas like genetic kill switches in seeds and the human race is working as fast as possible toward terminating itself.
You can pry my Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwich biscuits from my cold dead fingers.
How do they define "processed" food? Cooking is a process. Cutting is a process. Harvesting is a process. Eating is a process! There needs to be more resolution into the types of processes in order to provide meaningful data.
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
Like they imply in the source article, if you are putting unsweetened organic oat bran cereal in the same category as chicken nuggets, the only conclusion we can draw is that junk food is bad for us. Anyone who's been keeping up knew that decades ago.
I tried eating no processed foods once for a year.
But then I died of starvation.
TLDR, after filtering, the effect could be just noise...
The researchers calculated that each additional 10% increase in proportion of ultra-processed food in the diet (by weight) was linked to a 14% increased risk of death (hazard ratio [HR] 1.14, 95% confidence interval [CI] 1.04 to 1.27).
But when they excluded deaths in the first 2 years of the study and people who had cancer or cardiovascular disease at the start of the study, the association was no longer statistically significant – it could have been down to chance.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/do-heavily-processed-foods-increase-risk-early-death/
Raw milk is for morons. Want to play Russian Roulette with your health? Drink raw milk, please!
Darwin needs more sacrifices to weed out the stupid, the unwary, the naïve and the ignorant. Drinking raw milk is just one of many of your efforts to remove yourself from the population, that I support. Whole milkedly!
I always say - I'm ok with taking a few years off my life if it means I can eat whatever the fuck I feel like rather than spending a lifetime eating rabbit food just to get those few extra years back.
And why would I want to prolong my life if, say, I end up like my grandparents, who pretty much spent their last few years in a semi-vegetative state, being unable to communicate and unaware of their surroundings? Alzheimer's, both of them, and it's now showing up in their offspring (my mother, my aunts and uncles)--and on both sides of the family just to kick us while we're all down.
And being farmers, and eating from their own garden, they spend a lifetime eating a lot better than I do. Can't blame their situation on processed food.
Self reported data on food consumption is incredibly flimsy. So you're going to get flimsy results. You can't ethically lock people up and force them to eat only this type of food to get solid data. And they need a better term than 'processed' foods; washing is a process.
In addition, a lobby for US sugar producers caused high tariffs on foreign sugar, so American producers wouldn't have to compete with cheap cane from the Caribbean and Brazil. To some extent, the tariff backfired on them, as food manufacturers switched from cane sugar to corn syrup when the cane sugar prices went up.
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