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'Digital Gangster' Facebook Intentionally and Knowingly Violated UK Privacy and Competition Rules, British Lawmakers Say (washingtonpost.com)

British lawmakers on Sunday accused Facebook of having "intentionally and knowingly violated both data privacy and anti-competition laws" in the country, and they called for investigations into the social media giant's business practices. From a report: The sharp rebuke came in a 108-page report written by members of Parliament, who in 2017 began a wide-ranging study of Facebook and the spread of malicious content online. They concluded that the United Kingdom should adopt new regulations so lawmakers can hold Facebook and its tech peers in Silicon Valley accountable for digital misdeeds. "Companies like Facebook should not be allowed to behave like 'digital gangsters' in the online world," U.K. lawmakers said in their report, "considering themselves to be ahead of and beyond the law."

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  1. Oh hello there good chap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about we have MI6 look into it when they get to the office later. Cheers, can you get me a pint?

  2. Summary/Article disagreement by Brett+Buck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It says right up front that they "knowingly violated" laws, but in the actual content, they are talking about passing laws to hold them accountable. It's far from clear that this is not a case of someone wanting to declare something "illegal" trying to make it true, ex post facto.

            If there are already laws they are breaking, then you don't need new ones. Not to mention that this smacks of another EU-style shakedown, where people take the existing situation at Facebook, Google, etc, and then pass laws against it, then immediately demand them "pay their fair share" for breaking these laws (that we passes last week).

    1. Re: Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how you snuck google in there. Or not.

    2. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      another EU-style shakedown

      Ah, found the Protector of the Innocent International Business that are dishonestly treated by the governments in which it is making money.

      Bad news though, they aren't going to pay you for your trolling, boy.

    3. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or there's more than one thing.

    4. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you miss the bit where it said:

      Even under existing laws, however, British parliamentarians said, they believed Facebook repeatedly broke the rules.

    5. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

      You find "contradiction" where there is none. It is obvious what is meant - Facebook both violated current laws, and has done things which point to the need for new regulation that will prevent further attacks on privacy and further damage by irresponsible Internet advertising outfits pushing for money outright lies that disrupt the rational public discourse. Only your pretend anger at the "EU shakedowns" is preventing you from seeing the obvious. Besides, this is a uniquely UK shakedown, and the new laws will probably be passed in a place that is outside the EU.

      Incidentally, you did not feel the same way about the "FTC shakedown" (https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/02/15/0522203/facebook-settlement-with-ftc-could-run-into-the-billions), so one cannot help but think that you're not against "shakedowns" in principle, but just against shakedowns by the countries you convinced yourself you don't like.

    6. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow- and I thought the socialist were suppose to like be not racist.

      The government has no business in the affairs of anyone which is not using violence, theft, or fraud to harm others. Even to the extent that someone is it should be up to the individual / company to take whatever measures they feel are necessary to protect themselves. It's not up to some government to make irrational decisions based on fear mongering by some special interest group looking to profit from that fear. The government is dependent on violence as things are currently arranged and as such should be no larger than necessary to solve the most basic and essential problems for which there are no other solutions. To whatever extent Facebook is an issue the people in the UK can choose not to use it. Your kind have no business interfering in my right to interact with those you disagree with just as its not any of my business to do that to you. This should be pre-school level material, but somewhere along the way you were brainwashed into thinking socialism would benefit you when it actually benefits a small elite and negatively impacts your bottom line.

    7. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government has no business in the affairs of anyone which is not using violence, theft, or fraud to harm others.

      You must be very naive. 14 years old?

      It's not up to some government to make irrational decisions based on fear mongering by some special interest group looking to profit from that fear.

      So, you deny yourself the right to petition the government with your own irrational fear-mongering? Good, I agree with you there, the government should totally ignore you. Which it seems to be doing anyway :))

      The government is dependent on violence as things are currently arranged

      Wow, really? When did they last beat up Zuckerberg? I must have missed the news. Oh, I see, you just have no idea what "violence" means. You should not feel bad about it, it was your evangelist parents and their "home schooling" that has done this to you. But you can overcome it.

      Your kind have no business interfering in my right to interact with those you disagree with just as its not any of my business to do that to you.

      I am not interfering with your right to interact with anyone at all. If you claim I do, please provide the evidence to the contrary :)))

      This should be pre-school level material

      I understand why higher education may be a challenge for you, but don't despair. Even if you have a "low" IQ, you can work at it and improve moderately. What you have to do is overcome all that negativism and study.

      Oh, you're just trolling? Well, then there is no future for you, sorry.

    8. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So charge them or stop using parliamentary privilege to dodge libel laws.

    9. Re: Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zuck, is this you, or the Chinese spy who is fucking you?

    10. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you deny yourself the right to petition the government with your own irrational fear-mongering?

      The right to petition the government is not a right to steal from others. You can petition all you want, but the government should have no power to act beyond the stated limitation.

      Wow, really? When did they last beat up Zuckerberg? I must have missed the news. Oh, I see, you just have no idea what "violence" means.

      You clearly are the one who doesn't understand what violence is. The entire story is about the UK government or those acting on its behalf threatening others with violence. Try not obeying a kidnapper and see what happens. If Facebook doesn't obey either the government will use violence or threat thereof to seize money or property or otherwise use actual violence. Try telling a cop no. You'll see what happens. It will get very violent.

      I am not interfering with your right to interact with anyone at all. If you claim I do, please provide the evidence to the contrary :)))

      You are advocating VIOLENCE against Facebook with the intent to intimate and interfere with the interactions of parties other than your own. You would have to be a complete moron not to make that connection. But I suppose you have already demonstrated that. No "evidence" required given you have already provided it.

      Wake me when you grow up.

    11. Re: Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your Faceboots are belong to Emperor Xi

    12. Re: Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You are advocating VIOLENCE against Facebook

      LOL, buddy, you're so ignorant it is painful to think that when you're 18 you may be able to vote.

      Indeed, you're the best argument against democracy.

    13. Re: Summary/Article disagreement by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      You mean a court case where Google were found in violation of existing EU law.

    14. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They violated privacy and anti-competition laws. The new laws being proposed are related to fake news and political campaigning online, e.g. having to declare who is funding and supporting political ads. A minister was on the radio this morning talking about having some way to get fake news removed too.

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    15. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Cederic · · Score: 2

      this smacks of another EU-style shakedown, where people take the existing situation at Facebook, Google, etc, and then pass laws against it, then immediately demand them "pay their fair share" for breaking these laws

      Oh? I voted to leave the EU but even I don't recognise them as having done that.

      Indeed, nothing Facebook or Google have been investigated and fined for in the EU has been due to a law brought in to target either of them. Most of the laws they break are older than they are.

      It's the EU. Obey its laws or don't do business there. It's not a terribly difficult concept.

    16. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by cardpuncher · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Sorry to interrupt your little rant of hurt American exceptionalism, but Facebook were issued with the maximum fine for the laws pertaining at the time for something that was actually illegal at the time. GDPR rules would have allowed a much greater fine to be levied but it wasn't because "ex post facto" is simply a figment of your imagination and the offences were committed before those rules came into force.

      Why do they need new laws? Because, despite assurances, Facebook is still pushing out swathes of overtly political advertising without effectively identifying the source and appears to be failing miserably to control seriously harmful content that is leading to the children harming and killing themselves. Also, it appears that Facebook seem to accept that they may have been breaking the law and haven't been that concerned about it: the law, if that be true, needs to be made more compelling.

      Politics was very reluctant to take on tech - partly because they didn't understand it and partly because they didn't want to be seen to be stifling economic growth. However, they now do understand it - it's not about tech and it's not about beneficial economic growth, it's about an amoral group of rich people making themselves richer still. So they now feel rather more comfortable about legislating.

    17. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your kind" and "socialist" -- dude, you have so many issues. Business oversight is not the same as socialism. If your kind is "humans with an actual brain", ok, then nevermind. You're not a part of that group, obviously.

    18. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by ytene · · Score: 1

      I sincerely wish it were true that politicians properly understood technology and the threats to privacy, civil liberties, and democracy that the mis-use of technology can bring about. The sad truth of it is that they just don't.

      If politicians (and I include Washington, D.C. as well as London or Brussels in that collective noun) truly understood what Facebook was up to or could do, the company would have been shut down by now.

      The Cambridge Analytica "scandal" gave only the briefest glimpse of what Facebook can do - go take a moment and watch Christopher Wylie explaining just how powerful their narrow data set was - and you will begin to understand.

      The only reason that most of what Facebook does isn't illegal today is because politicians simply don't understand what it can do.

    19. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      We are well past the tolerance of "Beg for Forgiveness is cheaper than Ask for Permission" There is no doubt that FaceBook is directly involved in the current occupant in the Oval Office. Their intent was not Treason, but their socialpath business model has damaged us all.

    20. Re: Summary/Article disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      1. Easily offended. Check
      2. Has a little knowledge. Check.
      3.thinks he knows it it all? Check

    21. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Oh? I voted to leave the EU

      Fucking idiot.

      Every day we see more and more how the reality of the disaster is going to play out. Project fear is turning out to be project reality. Why just today a major car manufacturer decided to leave the UK, and with is removing 3,500 jobs from a Brexit-heavy area.

      I have yet to see anything approchaing a choerent argument for leaving the EU.

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    22. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Cederic · · Score: 1

      No deal. I'll take 'no deal'. It's not a disaster, it's a blip.

      I have yet to see anything approchaing a choerent argument for leaving the EU.

      I don't want my country to be part of a European superstate. I don't want political union with other European countries. Staying in the EU retains the existing political union and effectively guarantees more, so leaving was the only option. Has been since the early 90s.

      There, that's choerent. What I'd like is a coherent argument for staying in the EU, because nobody's even fucking considered offering one of those.

    23. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No deal. I'll take 'no deal'. It's not a disaster, it's a blip.

      Even Reese-let's-leave-but-I've-moved-my-money-to-Ireland-Mogg thinks it will take at least 50 years for that "blip" to pass.

      And let's see...

      I don't want...

      Thought so. All you ve done is answer "why leave the EU" with "I don't want to be in the EU".

      There, that's choerent.

      You've failed to give a reason at all. You haven't even remotely said what you expect to get/change as a result of leaving.

      Typical Brexiter bullshit. You voted for a disaster and can't admit it. When the disaster unfolds you'll most likely blame everyone else except yourself.

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    24. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Typical remain voter: You can't read properly, don't understand the argument being made and fail to address the legitimate concern highlighted.

    25. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by hoofie · · Score: 1

      That plant in Swindon has been on its arse for a while - it's running at 50% capacity. If Honda were going to move the manufacturing to Europe you'd have a point - but they aren't.

      Meanwhile Toyota have commenced manufacturing the Auris at Burnaston - 3800 employed there with a large % hybrids.

      As for the coherent argument - other's have said it : The EU as a political concept is heading towards a federal superstate and the UK decided it didn't want to become part of it. That isn't the EU that was sold many years ago.

      If you want to blame someone blame the politicians who sleep-walked the country into this over the last 10 years.

    26. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Ah typical Brexiteer, misrepresent reality them blame remain.

      You provided boy reason beyond a long-winded way of saying you don't want to leave.

      The reason you refuse to spell out clearly what you think we will gain us because you have no idea.

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    27. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Cederic · · Score: 1

      We'll regain our independence. We'll regain control over things like trade, diplomatic relations and borders.

      But I did spell out why I wanted to leave, the simple justification for it, and you still haven't understood, still haven't acknowledged that, still refuse embrace reality.

      Ironic that you accuse me of failing to do so, even as you continue to fail miserably at justifying staying in the EU or indeed telling me why I'm wrong instead of just denying that I've said what I've said.

      Reply if you want but I'm leaving this conversation. You're not worth listening to.

    28. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I just want to say, thank you for holding the world back just a little bit. I'm sure you are happy in the US but the rest of us will move on without you.

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    29. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Why are Brexiteers so stupid? I'm going to go slightly out of order:

      But I did spell out why I wanted to leave,

      No, you didn't. You said you wanted to leave and then you said the reason was that you wanted to leave. You seem to lack the basic grasp of English (which is rather ironic) to understand that that is not a reason. Fortunately you got a clue and answered in this post.

      As suspected, you're answers are as silly as I thought they would be.

      But I did spell out why I wanted to leave, But I did spell out why I wanted to leave,

      There's a lot to unpack here. Basically you're saying we'll regain our independence and the first thing we'll do it give it all up again in trade deals. Here's a free clue for you: no one will give us a trade deal unless we agree to legally binding restrictions on what we do.

      trade deals

      And what makes you think we can make better trade deals as a third country compared to what is the world's largest trading bloc? We don't have anything like the clout of the EU. And everyone knows that. The EU can get good trade deals out of people. Japan has (oddly) refused to copy/paste the EU trade deal for us because they know they can get better terms.

      So, freedom to get worse trade deals. I mean I guess...

      diplomatic relations

      Typical brexiteer stupidity: claim we'll get something we already have.

      borders

      Again more Brexiteer ill thought out stupidity to unpack. It's sad but telling that you think you can sum up a complex issue with tiny trite talking points.

      We made a promise to Ireland to not close the border. The only way of closing the border to the EU is to renege on a promise we made made to Ireland. That promise doesn't magically vanish when we leave the EU because the deal was made with Ireland, not the EU.

      You might say leaving the EU gives us the freedom to welch. We always had that freedom, and so leaving the EU doesn't grant it to us.

      And then there's the rest of the border. What do you even mean "the border". I assume you mean immigrants. We had the power to cut immigration down by 50% before leaving the EU, since the EU has no say in immigrants from outside the EU. We chose not to. Leaving the EU isn't going to give us the ability to do something we already had the freedom to choose to do but din't do.

      And asylum seekers are going to keep coming no matter how hard we shoot ourselves in the foot. OK techincally that's not true, if we make ourselves third-world enough they'll stop coming.

      So the TL;DR of your reply is we'll get worse trade details, different restrictions on what we can do and still get lots of migration.

      even as you continue to fail miserably at justifying staying in the EU

      I was waiting for you to answer my question first. You've finally done it.

      Well, firstly the European project has presided over the longest period of peace since Pax Romana. That has a certain appeal.

      We get much greater individual freedom in the EU: people can move around to different countries, do business freely, live where they choose and so on. We have better worker rights as a result. So much more freedom to live, move, marry, work and so on.

      There's the awkward fact that an open border is key to the peace deal we drew up in Ireland.

      We get excellent trade deals because the EU has immense financial clout and very experienced negotiators.

      Our economy is better, much better, in the EU. A good economy means more money for things like the NHS, transport, infrastructure, wellfare state and so on. The shrinking of the economy will harm the NHS budget and reduce the quality of care for example. That will have an actual literal death toll.

      We're total shit at taking care of deprived regions of the country, because we keep electing tory asshats to power. The EU is much better at regional developement. Wales is full of things with little EU emblems on them. They are going to be so badlly screwed when we l

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    30. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You find "contradiction" where there is none. It is obvious what is meant - Facebook both violated current laws

      If FB has violated current law, then there doesn't need to be "new regulations" so they can hold FB et.al accountable. It's simple English. They just need to enforce the existing law to hold them accountable.

      Maybe you need to read the summary? Oh, what am I thinking. This is /. Here's the relevant quote:

      They concluded that the United Kingdom should adopt new regulations so lawmakers can hold Facebook and its tech peers in Silicon Valley accountable for digital misdeeds.

      Besides, this is a uniquely UK shakedown, and the new laws will probably be passed in a place that is outside the EU.

      The issue of the article being self-contradictory has nothing to with with EU vs. non-EU.

      Incidentally, you did not feel the same way about the "FTC shakedown"

      You apparently did not read even that summary, back then or now when you use it as a club, because it contains the following (which appears in a different form earlier in the summary as well):

      The commissioners met in mid-December and were updated by staff members that they had at that point found considerable evidence of violations of the 2011 consent decree.

      In the FTC matter, FB violated a consent decree, which is regulation/contract/legal action. In the UK matter, FB hasn't broken any laws, the parliament says they need NEW laws so FB can be punished for breaking the new laws.

      Nice try.

    31. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      If FB has violated current law, then there doesn't need to be "new regulations"

      Says the slashdot village idiot. However, that's not what the people who make the laws think.

      The issue of the article being self-contradictory has nothing to with with EU vs. non-EU.

      Read the comment I am responding to, darling. Here is the part you missed, my deep reader and quote searcher: this smacks of another EU-style shakedown

      You apparently did not read even that summary

      You apparently fail at reading comprehension so badly, that I can't even. Fuck off and go back to first grade, where you truly belong.

    32. Re:Summary/Article disagreement by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Says the slashdot village idiot.

      My my. Knickers in a knot much? Anything productive to say?

      However, that's not what the people who make the laws think.

      Oh. I see. The "people who make the laws" are the only ones who get to "think" and they are "think[ing]", and their opinion is all that matters. Got it. Who's the village idiot?

      The fact is, if there are already laws in place, and someone has violated them, then you don't need NEW laws to be able to hold that person accountable for breaking the existing laws. It's pretty obvious. Maybe if you think about it yourself, instead of letting the parliament of England do all the thinking for you.

      Read the comment I am responding to, darling.

      I replied to a comment that talked about the article being self-contradictory, for the reason that I expanded upon. It has nothing to do with the EU. It has nothing to do with which government you let do your thinking for you.

      So glad to have run across you here. Was a lark. Ta for now.

      You apparently fail at reading comprehension so badly, that I can't even.

      Yes, apparently you can't even be civil. But the reading comprehension fail? Hmmm. The summary talks about the "government" needing to make "new laws" so that big bad evil Facebook can be held accountable for the big bad evil things they are doing. New laws. Laws to make big bad evil Facebook in violation of laws. But ... here's the important bit ... the TITLE of the article is that big bad evil Facebook "intentionally and knowingingly violated" laws that already exist. Why do you need new laws to go after them? You don't.

      There's the contradiction. Notice that it has nothing to do with EU or UK or US or any specific government. Simple English language. Comprehension. Which you can't.

      So glad to have run across you here. Was a lark. Ta for now.

  3. Yanno by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    None of this bullshit will stop until the fines become painful enough to make them think twice about doing it.

    Painful as in, the fine will damn near bankrupt your entire business. The mere thought of a fine will cause all of your investors to panic sell any stock they own in your company.

    But, that will never happen because the Goverment(s) LOVE access to all that data. They just don't like to admit to it. ( publicly )

    1. Re:Yanno by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      None of this bullshit will stop until the fines become painful enough to make them think twice about doing it.

      When their entire business model is based in selling people's data they should just be banned.

    2. Re:Yanno by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      They aren't going to pay any crippling/financially ruinous fines to the UK, EU, or anyone else. If it gets ruinous, they will just blow it off completely because, short of invading, there's nothing they can really do. Freeze and seize assets that Facebook hold in territory they control, yes, block access to facebook at all UK ISPS (good luck...). that's about it. But you aren't going to arrest Zuckerberg, you aren't going to put them out of business, no matter how you stop your little feet.

    3. Re:Yanno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you aren't going to arrest Zuckerberg, you aren't going to put them out of business, no matter how you stop your little feet.

      It is nice to see there are still dimwits who root for the likes of Enron, Union Carbide, Exxon, British Petroleum, Shell and Zucky. We can only hope that your life isn't totally wrecked by a privacy violation one of these days.

      Although what does a basement dweller have to lose? No friends, no job, no family. Ah, yeah, the pensions of your dead parents.

    4. Re:Yanno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fines will do bugger all, now 10 year prison sentences for the CEO and board will have a very very different effect.

    5. Re:Yanno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its called extradition numb nuts. And if the US is seen to be flouting those agreements, then all those people the USA wants extradited will be safe from extradition too.

      The USA does NOT run the world, and yes, the world can say NO to the USA. The USA has far more to loose than to gain by behaving like a cunt.

    6. Re:Yanno by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Extradition for this? I think you need to, maybe, learn something about the law.

    7. Re:Yanno by Tom · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you actually wanted to, you could very well do something.

      The international arrest warrent exists, and it would dramatically reduce Zuckerbergs mobility. It would hit him where it really hurts, because you can't be part of the international elite if you can't travel internationally anymore.

      And you can block Facebook in the EU without any Internet filters. Did you forget what their business is? In Zuckerbergs own words: "Senator, we run ads". If they can't sell ads in Europe anymore, that's their business in Europe gone. It would also drop their stock price through the floor because investor will need about three seconds to understand that Facebook will either operate at a loss in Europe, or leave the market to competitors, and Europe is a larger market than the US, both by population and money.

      If governments weren't at this point in time wholly owned and operated by corporations, they very well could show teeth. But the politicians of today desperately want to belong to that global elite themselves after their term. That's why they are fishing for those speaking and consulting contracts that pay obscene rates that are basically legal bribes, and they wouldn't want to upset their potential future employers.

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    8. Re: Yanno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't think that by looking around the world today.

    9. Re:Yanno by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      If their parents were dead why would they still be living in the basement? Get your troll facts together!

    10. Re:Yanno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fear, my friend, fear. They are afraid of the OUTSIDE, because it bites.

    11. Re:Yanno by mjwx · · Score: 2

      None of this bullshit will stop until the fines become painful enough to make them think twice about doing it.

      Painful as in, the fine will damn near bankrupt your entire business. The mere thought of a fine will cause all of your investors to panic sell any stock they own in your company.

      But, that will never happen because the Goverment(s) LOVE access to all that data. They just don't like to admit to it. ( publicly )

      Fines?

      Fines are ineffective at discouraging behaviour. This behaviour will continue until some C level execs end up in the slammer.

      Ultimately, it wasn't fines that reduced DUI, it was the instant loss of license. People value their ability to drive for 12 months over £2500.

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    12. Re:Yanno by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      GDPR allows for 4% of global turnover. Not profit made in the EU, but 4% of every penny made by Facebook world wide before tax and before costs.

      For many companies that's more than adequate because their profit margins are barely 4% overall. But for tech companies like Facebook... Well, it would be about 10% of their profits, painful but not crippling.

      The limit should be raised at least to 4% of global turnover or 100% of global profit, which ever is higher.

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  4. The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of going after Facebook maybe you should look at yourself. You use the threat of violence and actual violence and theft thereof to intimidate others. At least Facebook is an optional entity that nobody is forced to interact with. Unlike say- the UK government. I'm no fan of Facebook and have refused to use it just as I have refused to use Microsoft Windows, other products from them, Apple, Google, and others. But unlike products and services from these entities I'm forced to do what the UK government demands or suffer from the violence that the gang calling themselves the UK dishes out. The bigger threat is not the tech giants. The bigger threat is YOU.

    1. Re:The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the anarchist in the UK!

      "I am an anarchist
      Don't know what I want
      But I know how to get it"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found another cock sucker in the UK!

      "I am a cock sucker, I suck the cock of any politician which will promise me free anything at no cost!!! Logic be dammed"

      Said every socialist ever.

      You socialists are retarded. The difference between the capitalist politicians and the socialist politician is little more than the words they spew. All the "free" programs ultimately benefit an elite more than the people they're marketed to help and are at the cost of everybody else. I'll openly admit to benefiting from these socialist scams, but I don't agree with them. I'm not the advertised beneficiary, but the genuine one. I have made a fuck ton of money from these violent socialist government programs over the years. What is a £5 item the governments of the world will pay me hundreds for. Any other company would be getting a discounted price. Well, I'm not the only one who benefits, but it's not the tax payers. Others benefit far more than little old me. Tons of businesses benefit from the organizations doing the socialist bull shit of government. It's not the people who are forced to pay for it that benefit, at least not relative to what they are forced to pay. Myself included. We would all be better off if socialists like you were exterminated. However unlike you I don't advocate for violence. I wouldn't harm you except in self defense. Maybe someday I'll be so lucky as to be in a position to defend myself from you, but till then I'll have to suffice with benefiting from your stupidity.

    3. Re:The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound gay.

    4. Re:The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Technically suggesting someone's a cocksucker doesn't infer homophobia. Indeed, I suspect most of the world's cocksuckers aren't gay.

      It instead suggests that the act of fellating a whole parliament's worth of erect honourable members would be degrading and a source of humiliation for which mockery is appropriate.

      Personally I think it's down to individual choice. I certainly wouldn't want to (get sore knees or mock someone deciding that's the right thing for them).

    5. Re:The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I think that an idiot who has voted to leave the EU, that is, sucked the cocks of Johnson and Farage, has no reason to open his cum-filled mouth on account of his low IQ, but then it is the age of the idiot.

    6. Re:The UK gov is a real and more violent gang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are fully deserving of that low ID. Bravo!

  5. Breaking News by Jarwulf · · Score: 1

    The country with the most surveillance per capita in the entire world cares about privacy.

    1. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't want any competition to violate your privacy. Hence wanting to punish FB for violating competition and privacy laws.

      Ain't gubermint great!

    2. Re: Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point itâ(TM)s almost as if the gubbmints are outsourcing their intelligence, spying, and propaganda arms to a private company

  6. Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many people are saying all the attacks aganst Facebook are fake news, never has been such a wich hunt against a company and its amazing leader.

    1. Re:Fake news by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's true, but how many of the people saying that are astroturfers? (Well, not really "how many". Actually "what proportion".)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  7. "Digital Gangster" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that a rap by Ice-T ?

    Seriously though, to "hold Facebook and its tech peers in Silicon Valley accountable for digital misdeeds" smells like bullshit, and a shakedown.

    Do we hold car manufacturers responsible for people driving dangerously and killing someone, or liquor makers for someone killing someone while drunk, etc. etc. To be fair, it's been tried, and failed.

    Facebook is an information medium, and like every information medium ever, it's been (mis-)used for propaganda. So why shoudl Facebook be on the hook for misuse? Unless there are serious breaches of trust, like Cambridge Analytica which Facebook should have better controls around, they should tell the UK to f-off.

    If the UK lawmakers choose to prove the point,Facebook should just flip the kill switch to the UK and be done with it. Want to see rioting in the streets? See what happens when a large swath of the population is not on Facebook and turned loose on the real world.

    1. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

      Facebook is not "an information medium", Facebook is an advertising company. Everything you read in your "feeds" or whatever there is advertising, or laboratory experiments to fine-tune the delivery of advertising. It has not been "misused" to deliver lies and disinformation, it has received (a lot of) money to spread lies and disinformation.

      And yes, your second paragraph is spot on: Facebook should, indeed, "flip the switch" and do not operate in places, which laws it refuses to obey. Now, hold your righteous "free market" horse and consider this for a moment - Facebook doesn't do that. What does this simple observation tell you?

      Yep, exactly, the Facebooks strongly prefer to be in those places and do not share your outrage. So, maybe you should calm down, too.

    2. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain to me why its up to Facebook to cut off the UK? Not everybody in the UK agrees with your socialist government. Your violent ways are really fucked up. If you don't like Facebook don't use it. I don't, but I have no issue with Facebook existing because unlike you I'm not a violent psychopath that wishes to control everybody else.

      No, if the UK wants to be Orwellian and control the population it should be the one which is forced to cut off Facebook. Not the other way around. It's not like the UK hasn't already setup censorship filters. The UK has been censoring its citizens since the 1990s and has repeatedly extended these censorship filters ever since.

    3. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      why its up to Facebook to cut off the UK?

      Because this is what you suggested. Let me remind you: Facebook should just flip the kill switch to the UK and be done with it.

      Not everybody in the UK agrees with your socialist government.

      Well, it is not exactly my government. Also, it is very, very far from "socialist". You may have missed the memo, but the current UK failure of a government is the consummate conservative government, all true-form Thatcherites, in their very limited intelligence, in their utter inability to get work done, in their pandering to Trump, and in their anti-EU at all cost stance. You should not be getting your "news" only from Facebook, you may end up with a totally unrealistic picture of the world, you know :)

      but I have no issue with Facebook existing

      Facebook exists all right, haven't heard anyone threatening them with anything else but small fines.

      if the UK wants to be Orwellian and control the population it should be the one which is forced to cut off Facebook. Not the other way around.

      Well, AC, you seem to contradict yourself. Facebook should just flip the kill switch to the UK and be done with it.

      You sure you're okay? All that vitriol, all that ignorance and all those illogical jumps to opposite positions almost have me worried about you. Almost.

    4. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fucking moron. You attributed what another person said to an anonymous coward. Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? Now we know why you are so fond of socialism. You think you'll be able to obtain what you can't otherwise of your own doings via theft of other people's money.

      Also, it is very, very far from "socialist". You may have missed the memo

      The perspective is 100% correct. The so-called conservatives are VERY socialist. They are not abolishing government schooling, ridding the state aparatis of the police, or even doing more mundane things like dissolving the more obvious socialist policies which more clearly redistribute other people's wealth. No, near all politicians are socialist. It's just a matter of degrees. Different fractions merely favor different socialist policies depending on whose paying them.

      Facebook exists all right, haven't heard anyone threatening them with anything else but small fines.

      Nobody is under the delusion that the UK is going to be able to rid the world of Facebook. You were advocating for the destruction of Facebook in one way or another. Facebook is the evil you spew and fines of any size impact what Facebook is. How about we fine you instead? I mean, why should we fine Facebook and not you? I don't agree with you and nothing makes you more right than me. I on the other hand advocate for peace. If you don't want to get in bed with Facebook then don't and I won't advocate for fining you in return.

      Well, AC, you seem to contradict yourself.

      Your reading comprehension is a complete fail. There were not logical issues other than your own. You quote someone else and attributed it to an anonymous coward you moron.

    5. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      You attributed what another person said to an anonymous coward.

      Really, now? I'm pretty sure you're the same guy and you're trying a different line of trolling. Not smarter or more logical, just different, using your anonymity. Prove it ain't so, make the argument from a named account, so that I can tell.

      You think you'll be able to obtain what you can't otherwise of your own doings via theft of other people's money.

      Really, now? Whose money I am "stealing" exactly and how? Specific evidence, please.

      They are not abolishing government schooling,

      Why should "they"? Underinvestment in education is a market failure that is both explained by economic theory and empirically established. It is only sound that any smart government should invest in education it to correct this failure.

      No, near all politicians are socialist. It's just a matter of degrees.

      You don't say! How awkward! Maybe there is something of value in this "socialism" which you loathe with foam from your mouth then, if everyone but you is into it?

      Nobody is under the delusion that the UK is going to be able to rid the world of Facebook.

      Nobody except yourself. You apparently think that its existence is somehow threatened. By none other than myself. Do you even read what you, to quote you, "spew"? Here, the quote: You were advocating for the destruction of Facebook in one way or another.

      How about we fine you instead? I mean, why should we fine Facebook and not you?

      Well, for one, I've never been found in violation of privacy and other laws in multiple jurisdictions, unlike them. There is this thing, you know, that punishments tend go to those who are actually responsible.

      I don't agree with you and nothing makes you more right than me.

      Well, you think that I should be fined by the government for my opinion. I don't think you should be fined by the government for yours, however unread, illogical and vitriolic. Judged even by your standards, I'm righter than you are :)

      You are also accusing me of theft without a shred of evidence. That's about as libelous as it is stupid. And wrong :)

      See? I am much more right than you are.

    6. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      ".. Facebook is an advertising company.
      No, they're not even that. They're a surveillance company, who sells to the highest bidder. A digital Peeping Tom in the form of a company.

    7. Re:"Digital Gangster" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

      Well, if you ask me if they are the Stazi with an advertising arm or a "Pravda"-like propaganda powerhouse with a side business in state security, I'll probably answer that I'm on the fence about it :)

  8. What, not Russians this time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Surely there's no fault in reputable Silicon Valley giants.

  9. If it's fake it's from Russia Re: Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should check the lawmakers connections with Mr. Putin.
    Weren't his son on that Eaton banter kremlin trip ?

  10. Not really a big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    67.626 Austrian IPs answer on Port 80 (http). 40.776 of them answered my IP to a simple GET request (like a browser would send it) and if you remove the ones that produce error messages we get 17.392 webservers that are actually serving something.

    It's curious how there could be fractions of machines, but less than 68 responses on port 80? No biggie. And when they drill down even more, less than 20 servers actually serving anything up.

  11. BRETT BUTTFUCK CANNOT READ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, sorry there BRETT BUTTFUCK you obviously are mischaracterizing the case entirely you illiterate fuckwit. You're an apologist moron inventing bullshit excuses. Get fucked in your ass Brett, but learn to read also please idiot.

    1. Re: BRETT BUTTFUCK CANNOT READ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the big brains on Brett, he knew about the metric system.

  12. Never Forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Governement does not tolerate competition unless it has their its dirty hands in it.

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  13. intention by Tom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Too few people understood already that all of this behaviour by the large corporations is fully intentional.

    The law moves slowly, the markets move fast. That is why breaking the law is short-term profitable, and short-term profits are all that matters if you are measured by quarterly results. Your chances of either working somewhere else already or having made it so big that you basically don't care by the time the punishment rolls around are pretty good.

    The whole system is rigged to make law-breaking profitable. And there's no easy fix.

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    Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org