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Facebook Continued To Identify Users Who Are Interested in Nazis -- and Then Used the Info To Let Advertisers Target Them, Investigation Finds (latimes.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Facebook makes money by charging advertisers to reach just the right audience for their message -- even when that audience is made up of people interested in the perpetrators of the Holocaust or explicitly neo-Nazi music. Despite promises of greater oversight following past advertising scandals, a Times review shows that Facebook has continued to allow advertisers to target hundreds of thousands of users the social media firm believes are curious about topics such as "Joseph Goebbels," "Josef Mengele," "Heinrich Himmler," the neo-nazi punk band Skrewdriver and Benito Mussolini's long-defunct National Fascist Party.
Experts say that this practice runs counter to the company's stated principles and can help fuel radicalization online. "What you're describing, where a clear hateful idea or narrative can be amplified to reach more people, is exactly what they said they don't want to do and what they need to be held accountable for," said Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League's center on extremism. After being contacted by The Times, Facebook said that it would remove many of the audience groupings from its ad platform.
Experts say that this practice runs counter to the company's stated principles and can help fuel radicalization online. "What you're describing, where a clear hateful idea or narrative can be amplified to reach more people, is exactly what they said they don't want to do and what they need to be held accountable for," said Oren Segal, director of the Anti-Defamation League's center on extremism. After being contacted by The Times, Facebook said that it would remove many of the audience groupings from its ad platform.
I support freedom of speech, even for scum like this.
a clear hateful idea or narrative can be amplified to reach more people, is exactly what they said they don't want to do
Who determines what a "clear hateful idea" is? Oh, I see what they did there.
Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
If you send them enough "Herbal viagra" and "discount pharmacy" ads, the problem will likely self correct.
First law of people: People are generally stupid.
The problem is that the principal business model is detestable. Polishing the particularly glaring turds is not going to change this from being a steaming Berg of Zucker.
Facebook is obsolete. Everyone knows Hitler is on Snapchat
to better know thyself..
I think I can make a fortune selling them rope, bleach and MAGA hats...
I'm gonna be the first to Godwin this threa... oh crap.
#DeleteChrome
You are clearly not intelligent to understand the topics of "race" and intelligence, you claim a link between "race" and intelligence therefore I must conclude your "race" is not intelligent.
Why should we care about someone of an inferior "race" like you?
I wonder if they would be willing to sell an authentic pair of Nazi underpants.
The REAL Hitler was a leftist too. What a coincidence!
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Weird, demented, sick, looney, batshit crazy, but people, even Trump.
..tell the Neo Nazis and historians or WWII enthusists apart? What if the staff at the Simon Wiesenthal Center are on Facebook tracking the activities of Neo-Nazis? Are they going to get tagged as Nazis?
What if I'm only interested in certain Nazi-related topics just for my own edification as an individual, as somebody who is explicitly against the ideology?
It's difficult to be against something, or to recognize it in the present, when you know little about it.
while Communists rock. Thanks for clearing that up.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
So I guess Zuckerberg/Sandberg are nazis?
Oh and Google doesn't like me saying that. Those words are "misspelled".
Corporatism != Free Market
Read about google\facebook jews today. I didn't like what I saw about raping 3 yr. old girls https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... which their talmud condones. It's unlawful\sick also!
Sometimes articles make it seem like Facebook or someone else went *out of their way* to advertise Nazi stuff to people. That's most probably not the case. They probably made some algorithm do something like. "if X is interested in Y, then send some Z their way." Sometimes that might mean Nazi stuff. Then this happens and people say, "see! FACEBOOK IS SUPPORTING NAZIS." Sorry folks, but sometimes software robotic automatons are not sensitive to everyone's predilections. The simple software robots we are using at this point do not make moral judgements (unless told to) and every possible situation that might crop up that is negative like this one, cannot, I repeat, cannot be accounted for. There's going to be some roadkill if you drive a bunch of cars down the road, and there's going to be some poorly chosen details if you let the amoral algorithmic robots choose for you. That's the breaks. We should be educating the masses that this will happen, but that we will adjust as we can to avoid these kinds of things in the future.
Fuck Off APK
one time I read about leprosy.... and it's ridiculous to then assume I'm now pro-leprosy; silly example, but exactly the same thing happens on a hot-button topic like this
ingesting information on any topic does not necessarily mean advocating or endorsing it; if one is 'curious' or 'interested' in a topic -- including valid historical figures and events, it is disingenuous to then be portrayed as being 'for' it
keep in mind FB is not a government entity but a profit-oriented business; any and all of its power was handed to it voluntarily by those who feel okay with trading their privacy for whatever FB offers in return; also keep in mind that tolerance of differing viewpoints is a keystone of democracy... removing alternative viewpoints is tyranny and will have a much deeper negative impact than a generally unpopular topic running its natural course
expecting government to handle social problems only leads to more government; more of that can certainly be worse than letting social issues play out in society; government-mandated solutions should be scarce since they come with their own set of intractable problems some of which are worse than what they are 'solving'
I don't see anyone in the OP advocating gov't intervention, so perhaps I ramble a bit here; on the other hand, if this is an attempt to educate the general public about FB's practices so the public can make better informed decisions, then hell yes, let's hear it
it comes down to personal responsibility for yourself and children; make a stand and make it work... too many whiners think "someone should do something" but never themselves; "I want my FB but somebody needs to make it safe for me" is about as disgustingly weak-minded as it gets; it's unreasonable to expect gov't to solve all of life's problems and honestly, I wouldn't want it to
my life IS about my choices; if somebody else is making choices for me, then it's not really my life
Sounds like Google's "Do no evil - that they can catch you doing".
Some of the brightest minds and brilliant programmers never figured out that this was happening until it was made public? Or they just didn't care until someone made them care?
Searching for these individuals or the political parties they were a part of is *not* necessarily an indication of support. How can one understand the atrocities that were committed, the actual history of their rise to power, unless one searches for information? How can one learn the nature of fascist and authoritarian governments without searching for information on recent governments of that nature?
Learning history, learning the lessons of history, requires reading about terrible things and terrible people.
That makes no sense. How does it become a monopoly issue if you're able to replace the service with a low investment?
That was Microsoft's argument and they lost. A switch may be easy but when all the incentives say don't make the switch you still have a monopoly. Apple did not nullify Microsoft's monopoly. Google Plus did not nullify Facebook's monopoly. Basically the ease of switching is one thing, the cost of switching is something else entirely.
good comment; not everything bad is malicious
... "scum" remark wasn't targeted at WW2 academics ...
That's a rather poor description of those attempting to learn and understand history. You don't need to be a university professor conducting research; a young school kid trying to understand history, maybe understand the war their great-grandfather fought in, is acting just as honorably at the university researcher. The history of these terrible events and these terrible people is not some off limits thing that only certain accredited people should be allowed to see. To the contrary, the public at large needs to understand what happened, how it happened, so that it is less likely to happen again.
To be interested in WW2 history without having some algorithm label you a Nazi?
I'm tired of this nu-age religion and the goofy creation myth behind it.
I guess they don't want facts in the way of BOO HOO THE SIX MILLION BOO HOO horse shit.
I am pro-cancer and pro-glaucoma.
Sometimes I can't tell the difference between human intelligence and artificial intelligence.
Captcha: screwed (you know it)
Is Facebook now some repository of WW2 history?
Perhaps not directly, but it is a repository of groups of people. This may include groups of history buffs. Care to investigate whether there are WW2 history groups on facebook? I'd imagine that if one finds a good group then posing a question can lead to a better collection of links to historical sources than a google search. I've seen such a facebook group in action. Images of old family letters and post cards, photos, newspaper clippings, souvenirs, etc providing more info on a historical topic than a local historical society book.
Facebook groups can be a great resource for historians doing research.
.. and slashdot seems to be more interested in political reporting than technical reporting these days...
because, well, it's not. This has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech whatsoever.
This is a privacy issue. Facebook Identified people interested in Nazi's and gave that information to advertisers. I can come up with lots of scenarios where that information could hurt somebody. And all it would take to get it is some money and a phony ad agency.
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Not enough discussion on how Facebook is the bad guy in this whole damn forum. What the hell people, Facebook is making money off this shite.
when they did that whole "Holocaust" thing.
Seriously. If you're invoking Nazis in anything except historic context, either directly or indirectly, then you're spreading a message of violence. Nazism is like Ebola, really nasty shit that needs to be handled with care.
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Either everybody gets their fair attempt at advertising dollars or nobody does. And in the latter case who is going to produce content for their platform?
That said, if someone is inciting violence or other potentially criminal behavior they should have their accounts banned, or their information turned over to authorities in line with national laws for the company and account's regions.
Big Data can mean Bad Data. I could easily see somebody getting on a list of presumed Nazi sympathizers because they did research into WWII.
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What do they buy? Is there like a KKKmart or something?
Table-ized A.I.
Must I stay quiet, because a riot might ensue?
Neos are known to like these shirts. If I need to unload this big stash of brown shirts, why shouldn't I be allowed to target them?
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Jews view of non-jews (goy/goyim/gentiles) are above.
ALL from their "book of law" the talmud.
Jews claim anti-semitism when they are proven racists themselves from their own book of cultural laws the talmud shown in part above.
Try "jew guilt" us?
There's plenty in that link to their talmud cultural laws and their history to be guilty of.
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."
22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."
23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
Jews view of non-jews (goy/goyim/gentiles) are above.
ALL from their "book of law" the talmud.
Jews claim anti-semitism when they are proven racists themselves from their own book of cultural laws the talmud shown in part above.
Try "jew guilt" us?
There's plenty in that link to their talmud cultural laws and their history to be guilty of.
So FUCK OFF JEW!
The story is fake it is the loony left wing not having their demands met by Facebook.
The British government wanted the same kill switch that they had for YouTube and they did not get it they only got the option to edit individual posts.
Everybody is a Nazi and a fascist if they do not agree with the real Nazis and Fascists.
This is a post from Maren Ueland from her FB page. She is one of the two Scandinavian college girls savagely beheaded by Muslims while backpacking. They pulled her from her tent, assaulted her, and put their boots on her head to hold her still as they cut her head from her neck. They then tossed her head aside and spat on it. All on gruesome video.
This is an example of failure.
Failure of her parents to teach her about the reality of the world and to protect her. Failure of her educational system to teach her history and the difference in societies. Failure of her government to tell her the reality of the differences between her culture and sub cultures.
This is what happens, in a 2018 “We’re all just one big happy family coexisting on the planet with open borders and nobody is better than anybody and all faiths and cultures are equal” bullshit society that continues to lie and inundate its citizens with nonstop propaganda.
We see massive immigration into countries and the harm it brings. We hear the propaganda narratives that accompany it. You are in a constant brainwash machine meant to shame you and vilify you if you dare step outside of group-think. If you dare for a moment say “Hey... now hold on. I have a different view and some valid concerns”, you will be immediately identified and punished. Social media will censor you. Activist groups will target you. People will doxx you and try to get you fired or removed from positions. Friends will abandon you. Rumors swirl. (I’ve had this happen.) It’s by design. It’s meant to make an example of you to others. An ominous warning: BEWARE. STAY IN LINE. OR YOU ARE NEXT.
Ironically, useful idiots protect and defend this globalist fascism, while claiming to be anti-fascist. Having been failed themselves, they ignorantly take their marching orders and work toward what will eventually lead to their own slaughter.
You are constantly told that nationalism is bad. Real bad. In fact, it’s wrong. You should have no pride or allegiance to your homeland. You shouldn’t think better of yourself having been born there. The reason for that is so you won’t defend it when the time comes. In fact, you’ll tear it down yourselves over time. It will become worthless and discardable to you. You’ll open your borders and flood your country with a culture that at its core wants to conquer you. You’ll allow your women and children to be raped. You’ll watch your citizens get ran over in Christmas markets. You’ll witness the stabbings. The bombings. But, you’ve been told that if you speak out, well, you’re a RACIST. You are an ISLAMOPHOBE. You’re a number of really bad things. “Not ALL of them are bad,” you’ll say to yourself, re-educating yourself in your own private propagandized mind like a good little NPC. Some will speak out, and they’ll be destroyed quickly. Most will just stay in line, oblivious.
We have lost the ability to recognize fact for ourselves. We are programmed by various sources. The progressive State tells you what you are allowed to think. They download into your mind daily. Hollywood hides it in their movies. Comedians squeeze it into punchlines. Teachers push it on the young and impressionable. News and media presents it as fact. Songs put it to tune. And meanwhile, Big Brother watches. Tracks. Listens. Punishes. People used to fear being spied on. Now, in your homes, you say “Eavesdrop, play this song.”
Can you even fathom any more the idea that you are better than someone else, or someone better than you, through the totality of you and your cultur
Neos are known to like these shirts. If I need to unload this big stash of brown shirts, why shouldn't I be allowed to target them?
Are they designer shirts? Hugo Boss branded shirts should do well as he was a full fledged Nazi. Chanel and Louis Vuitton should do well too since they were active collaborators. For budget conscious neos maybe Dior will do as he was a passive collaborator.
Simon Wiesenthal is glad he's dead and doesn't have to suffer those Nazi-Ads.
...the Western Allies permitted their citizens and military personnel to listen to Lord Haw-haw, Axis Sally, Tokyo Rose and more.
Leadership knew daylight is a fine disinfectant. They were tough, smart, and not afraid of speech.
They won.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
"Independent historians"? You're referring to holocaust deniers now, aren't you?
Actually honest-to-god professors at top universities have been known to write essays or articles that appear in the popular press rather than academic journals. The former is sometimes announced and linked to on their personal facebook pages.
During the recent controversy over confederate statues one such professor addressed the question of "did the confederacy fight to preserve slavery or was there some other motivation". This professor's essay published in the mainstream media answered this question by pointing out that the various confederate states published declarations of secession that explicitly and repeatedly referred to the defense of the institutions of slavery and white supremacy. How did I learn of this article, someone reposting the professor's facebook link to the article.
Sometimes those in the ivory towers speak to the public and facebook is one of their tools.
...one scenario.
Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and Guevara are just fine?
I am disheartened by the fact how willing and eager many organizations are to push "state ideology" (which is, of course, claimed not to be state ideology but the only acceptable common sense) in the Internet by creating technical limitations of either expression or observation of topics they deem questionable. Sometimes I feel that especially the "enlightened" political left is not actually at all scared of systems in Communist China or Russia, but rather envious of the controlling grip such systems provide.
The EU's and US Stats are clear.
in 2017, Leftists were the issue.
The Right and supremacists were barely 3% of cases.
So go ahead and believe this BS and let the Horde destroy you.
Should have just come to Slashdot if they wanted Nazis.
Subject says it all.
Perhaps they've been watching Man in the High Castle and are trying to learn some history?
After all, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana) and there are some things we do not want to repeat.
Christ... at the rate these mouthbreathing journalists^Wactivists are going, I'm going to be a Nazi because I'm a fan of Slayer - the seminal thrash metal band that built its image around the exploration of Satanism and the Nazis.
Angel of Death, one of it's hit songs about the depraved experiments of Nazi doctor Josef Mengele on concentration camp prisoners. Rocking out to one of the gnarliest riffs ever written will soon be verboten in this new strain of puritanism.
Wouldn't some of this be considered research?