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New Study Shows Windows 10 Home Edition Users Are Baffled By Updates (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Since the initial release of Windows 10 nearly four years ago, Microsoft has been tweaking its approach to automatic updates, adding Active Hours settings to ensure that mandatory restarts are less likely to be intrusive. Recent feature updates have also made notifications of pending updates more obvious. Are those changes enough to ease the pain? A new study from a group of UK-based researchers suggests Microsoft has more work to do. The study, titled "In Control with No Control: Perceptions and Reality of Windows 10 Home Edition Update Features," was presented this week at the Workshop on Usable Security (USEC) 2019 in San Diego, California. Researchers Jason Morris, Ingolf Becker, and Simon Parkin of University College London, built a detailed model of Microsoft's update process as of Windows 10 version 1803 and then surveyed a group of 93 Windows 10 Home users.

The overall conclusions were a mixed bag. In general, the survey respondents think that the Windows 10 update approach is an improvement over that found in previous Windows versions. Among participants who had experience with earlier Windows versions 53 percent reported they felt updating Windows 10 is easier, versus only 8 percent who found the process more difficult. Similarly, a majority of respondents agreed that the Windows 10 update process causes fewer interruptions than in previous versions (43 percent agreed, 21 percent disagreed). Where Microsoft has fallen down, the researchers argue, is in building an update system that is "dependent on a complex range of user and system properties." That system, illustrated by the flowchart shown here, is simply too complicated for the average home user to understand.

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  1. My computer restarts randomly at night by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of the time, I have open files and it just nukes everything. I've never figured out how that's OK.

    1. Re:My computer restarts randomly at night by RyanFenton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah - having a Windows 10 system in sleep mode is annoying, because it'll actually WAKE UP the system in order to tell me I need to apply an update. Super annoying when I'm trying to sleep and I hear that "computer waking up" fan noise.

      There's something to be said for priorities - computers are arguably supposed to serve the interests of folks that own the computers. Taking all that away just to serve the public relations/"security" interests of Microsoft in fixing their security issues seems an intense, giant waste of human annoyance and time, along with other rational ownership issues..

      A better game theory strategy would be for Microsoft to have to email us with cash offers to update our systems within a timeframe, and we just don't get the $2 or whatever if we are busy and don't want to update.

      These increasing waves of punishment for not wanting to be bothered about increasingly draconian update cycles won't end well - and if anything, will result in companies increasing in this pattern of carelessness in design and testing.

      Ryan Fenton

    2. Re: My computer restarts randomly at night by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's what he said.

    3. Re:My computer restarts randomly at night by Enigma2175 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Taking all that away just to serve the public relations/"security" interests of Microsoft in fixing their security issues seems an intense, giant waste of human annoyance and time, along with other rational ownership issues..

      I would be fine with the updates if they were just for security issues. I'm sick of having to remove all the new Microsoft crapware every time a computer installs its gigabytes of updates. Why the hell does Win10 Enterprise have software for XBox anyway? Fortunately I only have to deal with it at work and at home I can use a reasonable OS where I control the updates but it's still maddening.

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    4. Re:My computer restarts randomly at night by neoRUR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes THIS. Windows reboots and nukes everything I have open. Then for a fun part it kills off Google, and since it probably rebooted several times in the night without saying, the Google Chrome restore option is gone and all those Tabs with stuff to read are all gone.

      No Its not OK, and I have turned off the auto rebooting, but it still does it.

      We are working for the computers again, not the other way around.

    5. Re: My computer restarts randomly at night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      This is the reason tablets are so popular now. They make computers literally idiot-proof.

      Particularly, they don't force slow time-consuming updates on you, and don't spontaneously reboot. My tablet (and my phone) occationally informs me that some apps were upgraded. I didn't even notice. But I am in control - I can disable automatic updates if I want to.

      They also sometimes tell me there is a new OS update that will require a reboot. I can put that off for as long as I like - my hand is never forced. And when I go for the update, it is just a couple of minutes. No questions asked during the update, no stupid handholding.

      I don't use windows myself - but I have seen the update process. Slow. as. molasses. And it will autostart if you put it off long enough - which is what you do when you don't have the time for updates. Linux has the simplest update system of all - it updates when I say so. Daily or twice a year - the schedule is up to me.

      The windows approach is unprofessional - at worst you get a forced update with rebooting in the middle of a presentation. But windows aren't useable for presentations anyway, with the way it pops up something called "notifications". Hey, there is a wifi here? Wanna try? Hey, you got mail! Hey, a thirty minute update is ready, do it now?

      I never get such interruptions, quite sad to see when it happens to others. And yes - I know such "notifications" can be turned off on windows - I have yet to see a presenter that knows how. I don't need to - I never turned notifications "on". The computer is not supposed to interrupt me.

    6. Re: My computer restarts randomly at night by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      What if you're rendering a video? That can take a number of hours that you would rather do while asleep. Or uploading a large file to a server via an FTP client or web browser? The OS can't easily tell whether any of those things happen without making it look like spyware. The whole system is shit, and frankly Linux and MacOSX handle it much better: the system file locks that require a restart for updating literally everything Windows is annoying, Linux and OS/X don't need to reboot unless a huge or kernel update occurs. Microsoft really needs to take a hint from them before either or both OSes take over because Windows is untenable.

    7. Re:My computer restarts randomly at night by martin_dk · · Score: 3, Interesting
      • Oh did your video playback drop frames? -sorry we need to download this update now.
      • Sorry, were you enjoying your nice fps in that game? Well we had to let Defender calculate the SHA256 of all your files now.
      • Did you prefer to work in silence? Oh lets just initiate the full update sequence behind your back and have the fans spin to 100%
      • Did the userinterface become sluggish? Sorry, we can't explain why that happens when an update is pending, please just update now.
      • Oh so you wanted to shut down and leave office in a hurry? Can't let you do that. Lets upgrade windows now for the next 45 minutes.
      • Arh we see you just booted into Windows. We assume you did this to let us run all our service scripts in parallel right away, so you can sit and wait for your laptop to become responsive.

      I get it, we want to keep the OS updated. But the current state of Windows if ridiculous.

    8. Re:My computer restarts randomly at night by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      There is a fix for this. There should be a UI for it, but there isn't so you have to do this manually.

      First go to task scheduler and disable reboot task. That doesn't really disable it though.

      Next go to %windir%\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator and rename the "Reboot" file. Unfortunately Windows will create a new one when it noticed you tried to stop it destroying your work, so now create an empty directory called "Reboot" in the same location. Fortunately Windows isn't clever enough to delete it and won't be able to make a new reboot task.

      So far this has prevented by work machine from rebooting multiple times a week, so fingers cro^%"£* NO CARRIER

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    9. Re:My computer restarts randomly at night by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

      So I am required to create a custom installer to avoid installing tons of Microsoft crapware? Yes, I've done it before, and it's an incredibly convoluted process. Most of my exposure to Windows 10 are installs in a VM lab to test software against different environments. These are ISOs downloaded from MSDN - I shouldn't have to make a custom installer to avoid installing Xbox crap, or Groove Music, or Cortana, or One Note, or Skype, or MS Solitaire Collection, or MS Money, or Movies and TV, or MS News, or the MS Store, or a dozen other things. Yes, it's possible to customize the installation to prevent installing that crap but not during the install, by default it installs everything and each app is constantly downloading massive updates for itself. Which brings me back to my point, why would I ever need XBox software on my Enterprise installation?

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    10. Re: My computer restarts randomly at night by Tarlus · · Score: 2

      My complaint exactly. Win10 has shaped up to be a nonstarter for folks in research and data analysis who have tasks running for many days at a time.

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  2. I have them disabled by Evangelion · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's some dark magic you can do to disable the automatic reboot. I did it months ago when I built my new workstation -- there's a folder buried deep under System32 that contains the 'Reboot' script. If you remove that and replace it with a folder named 'Reboot', then it will always fail to run the reboot-after-update phase of the update cycle.

    1. Re:I have them disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://www.windowscentral.com/how-prevent-windows-10-rebooting-after-installing-updates - Task scheduler

    2. Re:I have them disabled by Evangelion · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that was the one that worked. Wasn't not lazy enough to google it.

      According to systeminfo my box hasn't restarted since 2019-02-08, 8:59:56 PM, which was a power outage iirc.

    3. Re:I have them disabled by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem with that is some of the updates dismantle some essential services (like the network), to prepare them to be updated upon reboot. Then you end up with mysterious "the network doesn't work" call from a client, who lies when you ask them "Have you tried rebooting?" (Dunno why, maybe they don't want to do anything that requires more work on their part.) So I drive over, spend a half hour tinkering with network settings and stuff under the assumption that the computer was rebooted. Then when I happen to reboot for a different reason, I see the update progress bar, and everything works correctly after.

      Microsoft has designed the entire update process under the assumption that it can reboot the computer at will, so strange things can happen when you intentionally delay that reboot. It's gotten to where I just start the troubleshooting process with a reboot.

    4. Re:I have them disabled by Zuriel · · Score: 2

      That will only work until Microsoft catch on, then it'll be disabled. It's a constant arms race between people trying to make their computers obey, and Microsoft forcing everyone to use Windows the way Microsoft intended.

      People find a hack or registry key or something to disable something annoying, then people write articles on how to disable the annoying thing, then Microsoft break it because it's not intended functionality.

    5. Re:I have them disabled by Excelcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better than disabling the reboots is disabling the forced updates altogether.

      Remember the whole travesty with the Windows 10 upgrade to begin with? The progression of "optional" updates that Microsoft sent out that did nothing for months then suddenly started popping up "Hey, wouldn't you like to upgrade your OS" notices, then "Hey, you need to upgrade your OS", then "We're going to upgrade your OS for you unless you cancel" and then "Hey we're now just going to do it whether you want to or not". I avoided that because I simply didn't install the update that did that. But now that I have a computer I was forced to accept Windows 10 on, I have to use a combination of Windows Update Blocker to disable a whole series of otherwise un-disableable services, and Windows Update MiniTool to give me back manual control of the update process. Thank heavens for those.

      I own my computer and it will do what I tell it to do.

      I find it troubling that people like the new system better. I suppose, in the narrowly worded "is Windows 10 update easier" it is true. Subservience is easier. Just give over control to someone else and let them decide what's good for me is easier. But I remember when just the suggestion of that sort of centralized control over the desktop would have gotten Microsoft crucified. We need to go back to that mentality.

  3. Elderly don't get Win10 by Iwastheone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try explaining to an elderly person who's used to 95/XP/7 how to get around Win10. Everything's hidden, icons that are confusing, and the modern desktop UI just baffles them to the point where they just give up..

    1. Re: Elderly don't get Win10 by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Microsoft: your marketing people can tell old people that it's not Windows being confusing, but that they are getting Alzhiemers.

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    2. Re: Elderly don't get Win10 by Zuriel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of people don't think in terms of concepts like shortcuts. They click Start and click Programs and click the thing they want. If Programs becomes "Applications" but everything else remains the same, they get lost. They don't understand, they memorise steps.

      These people need to re-learn workflows when you move the contents of "Programs" onto the base Start menu and make it a different color. Many people don't have decent computer skills. Unfortunately it's not just the elderly, either.

    3. Re: Elderly don't get Win10 by sarren1901 · · Score: 2

      Why the fuck should I have to constantly keep relearning the UI layout? It feels like every iteration of Windows buries more of the settings and control panel options while also moving or adds extra categories.

      I remember sitting down at my nephews Win 8 box a few years back and just saying, WTF is this terrible interface? It looked like it was designed to be used with a touch screen and that was it. I quickly decided I would just use my phone instead.

      I feel sorry for my wife as she is going to have to move to Win10 next January when Win7 stops getting updates. I've already moved onto Linux but I don't have specific applications I must have. She's as married to Adobe as she is to me. Probably more to Adobe and they don't care to release a Linux version.

  4. Error Messages by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my opinion, the biggest issue with Windows Update is the cryptic error messages when the update fails, for whatever reason or another. I'm quite computer literate, and I struggle mightily trying to search out "Error Code 0x80072ee7" (or whatever) - Takes me down a rat hole of incomprehensibly useless knowledge base articles and general gibberish.

    Fixing *that* should be a top priority for Microsoft.

    1. Re:Error Messages by Zuriel · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not just that they're cryptic, they're the magic combination of cryptic and useless. Linux errors are cryptic, but they're at least extremely detailed and helpful to developers if you put them in a bug report.

      Windows error codes might as well be replaced with a frown emoji.

    2. Re:Error Messages by dwywit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's something that I hate: "Updates failed; error 0x00062007" message.

      Googling that error number provides mostly generic answers like "this error can be produced when the moon is in the seventh house, try the update troubleshooter"

      Or the totally useless "experts" on answers.microsoft.com who tell you to reboot and then run the update troubleshooter.

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    3. Re:Error Messages by sgage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And another thing - that cryptic error message is presented in a graphical dialog box, and you can't cut and paste it to look it up. You have to write it down, and then type it into browser search. What a useless aggravation!

    4. Re:Error Messages by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      I remember back in 1996ish trying to get a friend's Mac onto the Internet. She was having configuration issues.

      Nearly 25 years later I remember the Mac error message to this day: "TCP / IP is Unhappy!" - Along with a frowny-face.

      I almost pitched the very expensive Macintosh out the window.

  5. Stop calling it Windows 10 already by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Microsoft: start calling Windows OS X.

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  6. Update reboots aren't the only problem by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft keeps rearranging settings and stuff. It's gotten to where about a quarter of the online tutorials and guides don't work anymore because Microsoft has rearranged things since the guide was written. The one that stands out in my mind is the setting to disable driver updates. There used to be a setting in the updates page of the control panel which allowed you to disable driver updates. Then it got removed from the control panel and moved to the Metro UI settings. Then it got split into a separate setting for each driver. Then they completely removed the setting for several months (which screwed over my gaming laptop since the video drivers Win 10 kept installing didn't work). And now they seem to have finalized on using the "Roll back driver" button in the driver's properties. If you click that, it rolls back the driver and disables automatic updates for that driver.

    1. Re:Update reboots aren't the only problem by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Especially since you almost NEVER want the driver updates installed.

      They're usually 3 or 4 versions behind the vendor specific drivers, and usually break anyway.

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  7. PIck 1 by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Either focus on consumers, and remove the enterprise stuff
    Or focus on enterprise, and remove the consumer stuff.
    This one size for all OS pisses everyone off.

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  8. Re:and they think that hyper-v server can just reb by EvilSS · · Score: 2

    They figure anyone using Hyper-V is a masochist so they probably want it reboot randomly.

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  9. Rebooting is the stupid and lazy way anyway by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I chuckle a bit when people talk about letting the user choose what time to shutdown the entire machine for 30 minutes while Windows updates whatever - the color picker dialog and the wifi UI or whatever.

    Twenty years ago, tou used to have to rebuild Linux if you updated the KERNEL. Only the kernel ever needed a reboot. Anything else, the update just saves the new version of the file to disk. If it's a running service you.want to update, restart that service. Updating the file sharing service means you restart file sharing, which takes three seconds. Why in the world do Microsoft programmers find it necessary to shut down the machine, and then extract the new version of the file? Do they really not know how to save a file on a system that is running?

    Ten or fifteen years ago, Linux got live kernel updates. No need to reboot to activate the new kernel. Most people probably reboot into a new kernel out of habit and inertia, but that's the only time you'd reboot a Linux box related to an update. I had a machine up for eight years until I moved. It stayed updated.

    Windows got multi-user security (DAC) 10-20 years after Unix and Linux. Windows got modern security, MAC (or at least a watered down simulation of it) about 10 years after Linux. Windows gets a lot of things 10-20 years after Linux does. Maybe it'll get the ability to update a file without shutting down the entire machine, in a few years.

  10. but... Windows is a service by mad7777 · · Score: 2

    I still remember back when Windows was an operating system. Now, the friendly popup informs me, Windows is a "service", graciously provided by Microsoft, at its discretion, and to susceptible be updated with whatever code they choose to push at me, with or without my approval. All for my greater comfort and convinience, of course.

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