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Russia Limits Operations of Foreign Communications Satellite Operators (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: This week, the Russian government has published a document outlining new rules that limit foreign communications satellite operators inside the country. The Russian government will require all foreign communications satellite companies to pass all incoming traffic through a ground gateway station. This means satellite operators won't be able to beam communications directly to customers without going through a ground station first. The Russian government cited an espionage threat of allowing foreign satellite companies to transmit data directly within the country's border, but critics of the Kremlin regime say the new requirement will enable Russian government agencies to intercept any incoming traffic. The new rules, set to enter into effect in six months, will also force all foreign communications satellite companies to obtain a permit from Russian authorities even before operating in the country. The Russian Defense Ministry, the Federal Security Service (FSB), and Federal Protective Service (FSO) will be in charge of reviewing applicants.

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  1. Small d ivans by Ryanrule · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Trying to stop SpaceX. Good luck enforcing this broskis

    1. Re:Small d ivans by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Nothing new here, Russia has always being trying to legislate itself back into 17th century. Let's see how their economy follows it.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    2. Re:Small d ivans by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      It has nothing to do with SpaceX (or PT Barnum, Jr.). It has to do with making sure that they at least are able to cheaply monitor the "low-hanging fruit" of big centralized communications centers. They will work the more difficult problem of decentralized systems later with much more sophisticated and complex SIGINT systems (which they are well-capable of doing).

            This is effectively remaking the old Soviet KGB domestic spying organization, and predictable as the sun rising in the East.

    3. Re:Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he had served he'd probably be a lot more solemn about the "swearing to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic" bit. I mean nobody could expect that from a fake-foot Drumpftard. Vietnam who?

      Checks and blanker checks, unlimited balances? "I'm inventing the new military force, Lava Corps. They're going to have drills and flashlights and fight coal regulations with US military money. Dershowitz says it's fine.

      Who wants to kill a foreign journalist for 100,000 dollars, eh? It's a party, this is the White House, we're all comrades here right?

    4. Re: Small d ivans by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      or more likely, your sigint is just to shoddy to even know his sigint exists.

    5. Re: Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brigadier General Hopgood is briefing two senior Pentagon OFFICIALS.

      OFFICIAL

      But why did the Soviets begin this type of research?

      BRIGADIER GENERAL HOPGOOD

      Well sir, it looks like they heard about our attempt to telepathically communicate with one of our nuclear subs - the Nautilus - while it was under the Polar cap.

      OFFICIAL (BEAT)

      What attempt?

      BRIGADIER GENERAL HOPGOOD

      There was no attempt, sir. It seems the story was a French hoax. But the Russians think the story about the story being a French hoax is just a story sir.

      SECOND OFFICIAL

      So, they've started psi research because they thought we were doing psi research, when in fact we weren't doing psi research?

      BRIGADIER GENERAL HOPGOOD

      Yes sir. But now that they are doing psi research, we're going to have to do psi research, sir. We can't afford to have the Russians leading the field in the paranormal. The Officials consider this gravely.

    6. Re:Small d ivans by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing new here, Russia has always being trying to legislate itself back into 17th century. Let's see how their economy follows it.

      *YAWN* ... call me when their economy out grows Italy's in size.

    7. Re: Small d ivans by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      GENERAL BUCK TURGIDSON:

      Gentlemen! We cannot have a psi research gap!

      --
      -- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
    8. Re: Small d ivans by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      If they followed that line of thinking, perhaps the US wouldn't be so far behind Russia in the field of Electronic Warfare.

    9. Re:Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to take Space Ghost Coast to Coast off the air is futile!

    10. Re:Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to stop SpaceX.

      Good luck enforcing this broskis

      Monitor the frequencies, and do a fox hunt for any transmitters via triangulation:

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmitter_hunting

    11. Re: Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think we are behind? The fact that the us basically does nothing when we find out the Russians, Chinese, Iranians are hacking us is probably because we are hacking them ten times worse. Kinda like when all of irans centrifuges we're hacked and damaged

    12. Re: Small d ivans by mSparks43 · · Score: 2

      ->What makes you think we are behind?
      What they did to all the systems on the USS Donald Cook and https://www.defensenews.com/ho...

    13. Re: Small d ivans by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It has nothing to do with SpaceX

      Of course not; why would the Russians choose a course of action that would yield multiple benefits??

    14. Re: Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I was a spy wanting to phone home from Russia, I'd just use the internet with one time pads to defeat compromised systems, posting the messages via pre-selected dead drop web forms.

    15. Re:Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats, you've won the "dumbest shit said on the internet this week" award. Your mother must be proud.

    16. Re: Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking the truth does upset the repubtards. Fickle bunch they are.

    17. Re:Small d ivans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing new here, Russia has always being trying to legislate itself back into 17th century. Let's see how their economy follows it.

      *YAWN* ... call me when their economy out grows Italy's in size.

      Pretty much any decent sized country with nuclear weapons can may a muck of things beyond just their country, as demonstrated by our current president.

      Suppose North Korea goes ape crazy with cyber attacks making Russia's 2016 mess look like a tempest in a teacup, well what are you going to do about it? Remember South Korea is under a real and very serious threat.

      And of course our current president just loves to embrace the evil bastards that run these countries, given them more credibility. Trump wasn't responsible for the state that poor kid was in when he was brought home, though he now bears some responsibility for the next one.

  2. So... by wildchild07770 · · Score: 1

    What if you say throw up a bunch of cubesats and just started broadcasting. If you're not trying to get money seems like there's a big opportunity for a human rights/free information benefactor to jump in. Or..., Ya know the US government, I could see us provide Russia free rural internet because of this before covering our own country.

    1. Re:So... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      If you would read the news their main concern is people sending data to the satellites not the opposite.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At worst you may die in a mysterious accident or get some strange sickness soon.
      If you're lucky you'll only have porn videos of you released to the internet where someone that doesn't even look like you has sex with a hooker or even a minor.
      It may have no legal repercussions, because it wasn't really you. But your image in the public will be ruined nonetheless.

    3. Re:So... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The network of sat systems would broadcast into Russia as normal, like they do over any nation they pass over.
      The act of connecting up to the network without permission would be detected in real time.
      Like using power from the electric company without permission and an approved connection.
      Connecting to gas and water without paying for the connection to the utility company.
      Having a phone and IPS account without ever paying for that connection.
      Want to use a communications network? Get one that's approved and all is good.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  3. Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be interesting to see what they have to stop the signal.

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22941/russia-has-four-potential-killer-satellites-in-orbit-at-least-that-we-know-about

    2. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by swamp_ig · · Score: 2

      Just fantastic stuff if they actually use them. Goodbye low earth orbit, hello Kessler syndrome.

    3. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Sadly, satellite signals are very low level, easy to jam really.
      But in this case people's doors would be kicked in, in the middle of the night, black bags put over people's heads, and dragged to some windowless room where they have unspeakable things done to them. This is Russia we're talking about after all, not much better than PRNK or China.

    4. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if we're talking about 2nd-tier superpowers like Russia destroying satellites they don't own, (destroying ones you do is bad enough...) that's Defcon 1+x.

      I think they'd prefer to be less directly attributable in such attacks. Of course, they aren't exactly subtle.

      LEO mostly clears itself in a few dozen years just from drag. If we really blew it we could use nuclear weapons to clear it out, or less ultimate measures. It would cost a shit tonne of money and set the world back decades.

      But if we're at this point, yes, these are the stakes, and a traitor is in charge! Literally.

    5. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...people's doors would be kicked in, in the middle of the night, black bags put over people's heads, and dragged to some windowless room where they have unspeakable things done to them. This is Russia we're talking about after all...

      Well, golly gee! You can't let the CIA have all the fun, can you? What ever happened to sharing?

    6. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by melted · · Score: 1

      > what they have to stop the signal

      Rubber batons are very effective at stopping reception, when applied forcefully to the kidney area of the back.

    7. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      The issue isn't actually with operating the device in Russia.

      The issue is with having paying subscribers that live there.

      A foreigner trying to test the law will just get arrested as a spy for it, they won't "test" shit.

    8. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit being such a faggot. The U.S. isn't anywhere near as bad as those fuckers are.

    9. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Domestically, I have no idea. Internationally, which is the part I care about, the US is a lot worse.

    10. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      I remember a Chechen leader who was using a phone sat. The Russians tuned an air-launched missile to the frequency. You can guess the result.

      But no, I guess it would depend on what happens.

    11. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Internationally, which is the part I care about, the US is a lot worse. " - Make your case, we'll evaluate it. The US has a vast and broad surface area when it comes to the rest of the world. What do you see? Point.

      Tell us how it's worse than disappearing and dismembering a journalist you don't like in a fucking embassy, or the President of a "respected" superpower like the US saying he didn't believe it happened the way it obviously did?

      Trumptards need to come to Jesus, because even Jesus looks pissed AF frankly.

    12. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just count the wars and "revolutions" that the US started in the Middle East, Africa and South America since the year 2000 and be silent.

    13. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They prevent the customers from paying the illegal services. Those customers can be then charged for financial regulation violation or communication regulation violation, to put out a few. An easy way to take out a couple of too independent oligarchs having political aspirations as now they can't run in an election.

    14. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This law only applies to Russian telecoms, not the end users or foreign telecoms. License suspension is all they need to do.

    15. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sharing is caring, americunts care about nothing but PROFIT.

    16. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't stop it, but they likely will detect it. And the law isn't about stopping it, it's about having an excuse to lock you away.

    17. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just count the wars and "revolutions" that the US started in the Middle East, Africa and South America since the year 2000 and be silent.

      Social media access through satellite communications is a huge problem for dictators like Putin, even though the exploitation of the freedom of speech it can bring can be abused to the benefit of a dictatorship. As witness to what the propaganda farms of Leningrad did to "criminal Hilary" as Trump echoed the same bullshit as the Russian trolls did but on his friend Rupert's Fox news.
      The US did not start all these so called "revolutions" especially the Arab spring. That is a blatant Russian lie of the first order! Facebook and social media played a huge roll though.

      The problems always seem start in house with dictators like the one Putin is backing in Syria. They have a habit of pissing of segments of the population and inevitably resort to terror tactics like the use of chemical weapons, just plain old torture and genocide.

      Yes the US has a bad habit of backing some of the worst of them and getting a very bad rap internationally because of this. Most Americans refuse to accept that Cuba loves the Castro family and were very much in favor of the overthrow of Batista. They hated the asshole American mafia group and the dick head Batista only stayed in power only because of American business and organized crime.

      End result is we have dick head dictators either looking for assistance from the Communists or the CIA or worse still the criminal aspects of our society. So who is to blame for the turmoil? ALL OF US both east and west.

      If people were responsible about elections then a divisive asshole like Donald Trump would have never been elected. But here we are, democracy is still the best solution but democracy at the point of a gun is never going to work because the meanest assholes will always win in the long run.

      Therefore dictators like Putin are an inevitable consequence of our primitive human politic and free information exchange is and has always been the enemy of those who seek to pacify peoples through dictatorship. Hell the Roman Catholic church used the same tactics centuries ago by banning books, Hitler and other assholes burned them. The only thing that has changed is the medium not the methods of dictatorship and the subjugation of a peoples.

    18. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pissed is what happens when a kid says shutup. After a small battle of wills, it's back to life as normal. Maligned is what happens when a grown man would minimally remain complicit in and perhaps even having aided and abetted the extrajudicial execution of a non-combatant. After explicit criticism, without suitable accountability, there's nothing left to talk about, little to prove--except to demonstrate an unwavering resolve.

      He needs a Big God, and he'll be left waiting on his knees.

    19. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just count the wars and "revolutions" that the US started in the Middle East, Africa and South America since the year 2000 and be silent.

      What is that declaration supposed to mean? Always when talking about Russian aggression someone writes but America this, America that.
      Does the World owe Russian Empire some free wars and revolutions? Should we be quiet while Russia fixes the so called consequences of the "worst geopolitical catastrophe of 20th Century" which was losing all the puppet states feeding Moscow, fixing meaning restores the Empire in the bounds of former Eastern Bloc?
      Please let at least the 10s of millions of people living in those still independent countries speak up. :P

    20. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just like you, most of us are good people. It's that fucking 1% that gives us a bad name.

    21. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Domestically, I have no idea. Internationally, which is the part I care about, the US is a lot worse.

      Care to back it up with any examples?
      Do you have any recent case where the US tries to assassinate anyone on foreign soil with gas?

    22. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re comparing an individual assassination to killing 100,000s, destroying the lives and living standards of millions more and destabilising a whole region so an evil caliphate can take hold?

    23. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any recent case where the US tries to assassinate anyone on foreign soil with gas?

      What, a knife isn't good enough?

    24. Re:Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not half as many as Kennedy started in his single 4 years in office.

    25. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Kennedy said on record that he didn't want to goto war with Vietnam. It wouldn't work. French tried it and failed.

      As for Cuba, they had missiles being shipped to them passing thru OUR borders.

      Fuck off.

    26. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      But if we're talking about 2nd-tier superpowers like Russia destroying satellites they don't own, (destroying ones you do is bad enough...) that's Defcon 1+x.

      You'd think so, but when they bombed the US oil pipeline during their invasion of Georgia, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans said anything. And that wasn't even their territory. What do you think are the chances that anyone will say anything if they destroy satellites which they deem to be spying on them?

      a traitor is in charge! Literally.

      No, she lost.

      --
      Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
    27. Re: Anyone with the balls to test enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most of us are good people.

      Yeah? When the fuck are you going to start doing some good voting?? The assholes that win are your reflection! Remember that!

  4. The tighter you grip.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    ..the more grains of sand slip through your fingers.
    I really wish someone would end Putin. He's a fucking troublemaker and the world would be better off without him -- and several other people I could name.

    1. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll have to go through his incompetent flabby liar bodyguard, Duhnald. A few well-timed fingersnaps followed by a thrown golf ball and/or cheeseburger should suffice.

    2. Re:The tighter you grip.. by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I wonder who he's playing to. The Russian people don't believe anything their government tells them, and neither do we.

    3. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      My best guess based on his history and pattern of behavior is he wants his 'legacy' to be creating Soviet Union 2.0, bringing back what he likely perceives as the 'glory days' of Russia; one might say "make Russia great again".

    4. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he's KGB turned 4 time 'elected' dictator so obviously duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh? He's never going to annex jack shit now. He blew his wad in Crimea and the defective Trump cohort. Mission failed.

      Novichok is an act of war. Election meddling has caused wars. "what are you going to do, sit there and watch Trump undo the Magnitsky Act right in front of your eyes, AS HE IS NOW DOING? Drink, comrade traitors."

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-oleg-deripaska-russia-trump.html

    5. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Novichok is an act of war.

      No really. They assassinated political refugees - and left very dangerous waste lying around. Bad, but not "war".

      It'd be war if they assassinated Brits - especially politicians or military personell.

    6. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just hit them with sanctions and tell them the condition for lifting them is that Putin must be gone.

      Putin only gets to rule as long as the oligarchs gets to rob the country.
      If there is nothing left to rob then Putin is a goner.

    7. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder who he's playing to. The Russian people don't believe anything their government tells them, and neither do we.

      LOL. He has like 80% domestic support, and most of the remaining 20% oppose him not because they think he's an asshole, but because they think he's not enough of an asshole, and for example should have taken the whole Ukraine not just Crimea.

    8. Re:The tighter you grip.. by bobbied · · Score: 2

      ..the more grains of sand slip through your fingers. I really wish someone would end Putin. He's a fucking troublemaker and the world would be better off without him -- and several other people I could name.

      This is really about Putin's falling poll numbers. His popularity is falling, so it's time to rattle some swards, ride some horses w/o a shirt and stuff like that. He's got to push the narrative that Russia is relevant and HE'S in charge of the Russian rise to power.

      The glaring truth here is that Russians see their continued decline and Putin's part in that. Putin is getting desperate and now that the "Russian Collusion" from 2016 narrative is dying, he has to do something. So he's looking for ways to bolster his image, his country's short term advantage or ANYTHING that gets him positive attention.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    9. Re:The tighter you grip.. by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I wonder who he's playing to. The Russian people don't believe anything their government tells them, and neither do we.

      Obviously he's playing to the Russian people directly, or at least trying to. His polling numbers have been falling out of bed of late, so it's time to rattle swards, date young popular women and ride horses bareback shirtless. Or, as in this case, take steps to seemingly bolster Russian security and power. I expect a lot more of this kind of saber rattling in the days to come.

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    10. Re:The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just hit them with sanctions and tell them the condition for lifting them is that Putin must be gone.

      Putin only gets to rule as long as the oligarchs gets to rob the country.
      If there is nothing left to rob then Putin is a goner.

      Finally someone who gets what is going on in Russia. But I have the feeling that Putin has some squirreled away resources that his buddies with cash don't know about so he will be fine. The sudden bubble in the used dacha market in Sochi is a good example, no doubt both he and Donald have already purchased a few with the potential for golf courses. Would be interesting to see a current list of ownership of that famous piece of the Crimea. I know technically they are not the property of any individual but tell that to the people who can flip or reside in them. That is what the Olympics were all about, the same as the Vancouver real estate Olympics in 2010. As a famous American we all know and love once said; "buy land they ain't makin' it anymore!"

      Got to give it to Putin and Trump they are the best real estate sharks on the planet, almost up there with the Chinese ones in Vancouver for that matter.

    11. Re: The tighter you grip.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that true domestic support or is it "I support the man because I value my life"?

  5. Sounds reasonable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia getting tired of being blamed for everything.

    Time to document everything going in and out of the country.

    1. Re: Sounds reasonable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. Repubtard detected.

  6. Re: Great wall of Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Jews, Russian, Arab towel heads.... they don't care." - Kind of to the point, Trump caters to all of those - and doesn't seem to care or notice it's illegal, that he's literally about to be on trial for treason. It's like... hello? Wake up fool.

    Maybe you don't have to praise Duterte for throwing people out of helicopters or say you believe North Korea's dynastic dictator-baby who literally has dissidents executed with flamethrowers and grenade launchers in public.

    There should be a way for him to get his WWF jollies of being a pretend toughguy, his entire life basically, without praising mass murderering torturers and killers of American journalists as if the accusations are not credible, right?

    World's dumbest traitor.

  7. Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Foreign satellite companies fold up their tents, move on and cut 'em off.

    1. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a problem. Russia don't need foreign satellite companies. They are capable of rolling their own when need be. They are good at space launches.

      Foreign companies may need Russia in order to make some more money - doesn't mean Russia needs them.

    2. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep believing that. In a couple of decades I'm sure China will come to the rescue of the failing Russian economy and soon after you'll all have to learn to speak Chinese.

  8. They have a plan by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Funny
    They're going to put up a wall to keep the satellites out.

    It's guaranteed to work, just ask Trump.

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    Why is Snark Required?
    1. Re:They have a plan by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      And Mars is going to pay for it!

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      #DeleteChrome
    2. Re: They have a plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crimea will pay for it.

  9. The new smuggling by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The new smuggling will bring not drugs, liquor, or other banned physical things, but ungoverned data. There is already lots of this going on in the form of USB sticks with media from the West traded by people in countries with repressive governments, and use of internet proxies to receive data that is restricted by region where intellectual property is a tool of corporate totalitarianism (that means here in the US, folks). The new smuggling will be satellite ground stations providing direct, un-gatewayed access to global communications. Free speech is the crime here.

    1. Re:The new smuggling by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Except Russia, unlike China, does not have a firewall or filter global Internet access.

    2. Re:The new smuggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah no, have you not seen all the news stories about Russia setting up the ability to cut themselves off?

      With gateway power so does filtering...if sufficient cycles are available.

    3. Re:The new smuggling by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Actually they do. It's a lot less comprehensive than China's infamous national firewall, and less sophisticated in implimentation, but it does exist. The specifics if implementation are down to the individual ISPs, but they are required by law (since 2012) to block all sites on a blacklist maintained by the Russian government agency Roskomnadzor. Like most such systems, it is officially justified as a required measure for protecting children from harmful material, but the definition of harmful material is broad enough that a lot of sites critical of the Russian government are blocked as well. They've a particular tendency to block any material advocating for gay rights.

      Before getting too harsh though, remember that most countries do have some form of national censorship system now. The US is a notable exception. The existence of a censorship infrastructure itsself is a requirement for widespread political censorship, but is not sufficient in itsself.

    4. Re:The new smuggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free speech without having anything to say has been a thing for much longer.

    5. Re:The new smuggling by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      No kidding. It's not even the US government that's doing the censorship. It's corporations like Google, Facebook, Twitter who freely remove any information that's derogatory towards our ruling class. The internet, once the saviour of free speech, has been condemned by Google as problematic. We have but a year or two left.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    6. Re:The new smuggling by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      What a strangely fatalist view. Your account smells like potato vodka.

    7. Re:The new smuggling by Ryanrule · · Score: 0

      Blow me ivan

    8. Re:The new smuggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The cis-gendered, white male patriarchy is responsible for my shitty life and every bad decision I ever made. It's not MYYY fault!1!"
          - commie

    9. Re:The new smuggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mommy! Russia is in my closest and under my bed!"
          - Little Ryan Russophobe

    10. Re:The new smuggling by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The new McCarthyism is calling people Russian troll farms. The person you replied to is Bruce Perens, the man who co-founded the Open Source Initiative with Eric S. Raymond. But it sure feels good to call people dirty foreigners, doesn't it? Relieves you of any responsibility to engage with their ideas. After all, who debates with Russian bots? Better to stick your head in the sand and fail to argue.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    11. Re: The new smuggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off, Don't try to piggy back off of Bruces fame like you and him share the same views. You don't. Secondly, the OP was talking about YOU! Not Bruce, but YOU.

      It is a known fact on slashdot that you are a troll. A god damn far right wing idiot to put it correctly. Not even trump would spout some of the Shit you say.

      You've been saying for 3 years now that we are all doomed. Get off it already. Those companies don't owe you a platform. Don't like their policies? Don't use their services. We're sorry that you arent allowed to go around calling everyone racial slurs anymore.

      Deal with it, You are free to speak if, but don't bitch about the conciquences of that speech. And also stop bitching about them deplatforming you. You can speak it all you want, but we won't and don't have to listen to it. Minorities and women are tired of the ruling class only handing down crumbs.

      Here's a tip: America was never great for some of us. It wasn't built for us. So we are taking over and revamping the system to work with us and not against us. Don't like it? Move to Russia bitch!!

    12. Re:The new smuggling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They likely replied to the wrong comment, since their post makes no sense a reply to Bruce Perens. Or at least even less sense than any other of their comments.
      There's no fatalistic view in that post and it is not in any way in favour of Kremlin interests.
      Your posts on the other hand are full of conspiracy theories, Russian apologetics and deflections. They read like the expressions of a good little useful idiot, who easily repeat the Kremlin narrative, just because it aligns somewhat with their feelings about their own government.

    13. Re:The new smuggling by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC ensuring a phone network and internet works within a nation is not a everyday national censorship filter.

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  10. How will that work with devices like InReach, GPS? by OnceWas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Much of the reason for satellite communications is to provide communications to locations that are out of reach of ground stations. The InReach devices communicate directly with satellites to trigger a rescue - and communicate - in remote areas. Espionnage 140 characters at a time?

    Bizarre.

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    Laugh while you can, monkey-boy.
  11. Re:How will that work with devices like InReach, G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Espionnage 140 characters at a time?" - NO COLLUSION! You can't prove Mueller exists! FAKE INVESTIGATOR! America runs on DOUGHNUTS!

  12. Satelites will B cheap as cars by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    1 day :)

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  13. Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "Novitchok" BS is a psyop of the British intelligence services ordered by the same political party that orchestrated the Brexit. "Election meddling" in the US is a Democrat fantasy used as an excuse for an elections they lost against a joke of a candidate. Even if you accept all alleged "Russian hackery" at face value, it has had zero impact on the election. What ruined Shillary was her inability to run an effective campaign, her warm personality, her disdain for the "unwashed masses" and the Comey tricks a few days before the vote.

    1. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The "Novitchok" BS is a psyop of the British intelligence services ordered by the same political party that orchestrated the Brexit." - Sorry, that's half-baked Russian dogshit, not a news burrito. UKIP couldn't psyop an open bar.

    2. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The "Novitchok" BS is a psyop of the British intelligence services ordered by the same political party that orchestrated the Brexit. "Election meddling" in the US is a Democrat fantasy used as an excuse for an elections they lost against a joke of a candidate. Even if you accept all alleged "Russian hackery" at face value, it has had zero impact on the election. What ruined Shillary was...

      Gosh, they're not even trying to make the conspiracy theories sound plausible any more, are they?

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    3. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 1

      What does UKIP have to do with Brexit? Brexit was and is the responsibility of the UK Conservative Party and a certain David Cameron, who chose the referendum to be a key issue of the 2015 election campaign because they otherwise got nothing and would have lost.

    4. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was never much of conspiracy theory and plausibility was never a goal. I mean, seriously, since when does "100 grams of a nerve agent deadlier than VX gas" sound even remotely plausible?

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/100...

      The theories that have been put forward about this "poisoning" are beyond grotesque. Only one thing is more grotesque, and it is the full acceptance of this rubbish by the general populace.

    5. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well done, Comrade! There has not been this thick a flow of bullshit since the glory days of the USSR!

      We will not be grinding your family into sausages this week.

    6. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The russiagate conspiracy was never plausible. It came up right after Hillary lost and immediately threw a childish tantrum. Children rarely take responsibility for their actions and try to blame their failures on others.

      Ever since, they've been flinging as much poop at russia as they can, hoping some of it will stick, or that the weaker minds will fall for the "repeat a lie often enough and it will become the truth" tactic.

    7. Re:Please stop with the fake news, will ya? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The russiagate conspiracy was never plausible. It came up right after Hillary lost and immediately threw a childish tantrum.

      Cool story bro! What your stupid ass is trying to lie about is that Russian interference was well known, long before the election.

      Jesus Christ, how in the fuck are you staying out of the Black Dolphin with worthless trolls like that. Someone will be along shortly to inform you of the eror of your ways.

  14. Uplinks are sexier by Invisible+Now · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look around at all the rooftop dishes in you neighborhood. Which one is beaming or more likely intermittently bursting in a sneaky and sophisticated way a high capacity data uplink? how do you think espionage works? Shortwavew and Morse code? Microfiche hidden in shoe heels? Obviously every terestial Internet data path is being sniffed. And you can bet rural personal uplinks and even dish TV logo-ed urban apartment balcony dishes are suspected of being covert alternatives to all the flash in personal electronics and body cavities as ways to get data back to China, albeit not with the much more useful near real-time capabilities of Earthline VPN feeding covert terrestrial uplink dishes. Why Russia is making a The new regulation law about down links is just theater. Putin Angle-ing for a Netflix board seat?

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    "Knowing everything doesn't help..."

    1. Re:Uplinks are sexier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing with commercial pay tv dishes, is that they will all be aimed in a single particular direction for the region to receive from the bird they are intended for. If you saw such a dish aimed in a different direction than all the neighboring dishes that might be a red flag.

    2. Re:Uplinks are sexier by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re " intermittently bursting in a sneaky and sophisticated way a high capacity data uplink?"
      The location of the US/UK/commercial sat network getting that unexpected uplink can be detect over time by Russia.
      The USA and UK would just suggest their new spies now use a commercial account and send out spy "data" like any normal person using a commercial service.
      Some data like so many other accounts, on a free ad supported email service.
      The task of an embassy worker, NGO, charity worker, tourist giving spy hardware to a spy is not good.
      Wigs, make up and a different SUV dont make the exchange of spy equipment safe.
      Walking around with an encryption device and a direct sat device to hand over to a spy is not good.
      Using and trusting such hardware day after day is not good.
      Getting caught later with a bespoke encryption device and a direct sat device is not good.

      Better to just use an ad supported consumer email account and send the data out of Russia. All risk reverts to spy who so wanted to work for MI6/CIA for money/politics.
      No risk to embassy worker/tourist/NGO/charity/think tank worker having to carry around spy equipment for a spy meeting.
      No need to walk around Russia with complex spy equipment for next spy meeting.
      Just a print out of an email address from a free ad company and an emergency contact number.
      Spying and getting data out won't change. Number stations do the rest.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Uplinks are sexier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also commercial pay tv dishes are not capable of uplink.Uplink capable dishes generally have a large transmit amplifier on or near the feedhorn, example picture in this article https://highspeedexperts.com/internet-providers/hughesnet-review/

  15. Translation is utterly misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This key statement is incorrect: "The Russian government will require all foreign communications satellite companies to pass all incoming traffic through a ground gateway station."

    What the proposal actually says (http://government.ru/docs/35851/ paragraph 9):
    "Any Russian telecom operator using a foreign satellite system must make the Russian segment of said system a part of the public network gateway. All traffic originating from terminals on the Russian territory, including terminals of foreign users that have no telecom contract with the Russian operator and are in a roaming mode on Russian territory, must pass through a gateway station of a Russian operator on the Russian territory".

    That is, if you are not a client of a Russian operator or are roaming through them, this does not concern you at all.

    1. Re:Translation is utterly misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically it does not affect us. But it is still interesting to us to learn what is going on in Russia. The same way it is interesting to us what is going on in the EU, China, and other places where megalomaniac governments try to keep their constituents in line. And that all while those things may not affect us directly. To us it is a cautionary tale that helps us to look out for the additional signs of freedom eroding away (which is already the case in our societies).

      And to employ some good old Russian logic: If you think that these things should not concern us, then first tell those Russians to fuck off from our platforms and keep their propaganda shit to themselves. Because what we do here does not concern them.

  16. Can I upload info to Chinese satellite inside USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as the law goes, I am not allowed to access Chinese satellites, no matter if its upload or download, within the US soil.

    I have to obtain a license, from the American government, to access any Chinese satellites, or I will be treated as an enemy of the states.

  17. Re: Great wall of Russia? by Freischutz · · Score: 2

    ... North Korea's dynastic dictator-baby who literally has dissidents executed with flamethrowers and grenade launchers in public ...

    I'm no fan of North Korea but reports like that should be taken with a grain of salt. The story about Kim's Uncle being executed by a pack of man eating dogs turned out to be a hoax (well, actually, it originated as a satirical post on a Chinese social media network) and a number of other similar stories have turned out to be exaggerated. Like for example the story of general Hyon Yong-chol who was supposedly executed with a quad barrelled 23 mm anti-aircraft gun for “dozing off” at official events. This was later progressively downgraded until Hyon had supposedly been “purged”, but that he might still be alive. The North Korean regime is loathsome but believing every story about them you read in tabloids like the Daily Mail on a slow news day is not necessarily a good idea.

  18. Foreign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many countries limit foreign operations since easier to control domestic companies.

  19. The Democratic People's Republic of Russia by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Russia under Putin has slowly been drifting towards becoming another North Korea. Putin clearly understands that the legitimacy of the Russian government is under question and this is how he wants to control every piece of information flow, so that he and his circle will forever remain in power.

  20. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not all Republicans love Putin. Those with common sense were probably always suspicious about autocrats like him.
    Democrats have chosen Putin to become their bogeyman. Probably in the hopes of creating a bipartisan issue since Russia has been the punching bag for Republicans in the past. But they didn't think of the petty childish Republicans who hate Democrats even more than they hate Putin.

  21. Re:Can I upload info to Chinese satellite inside U by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as the law goes, I am not allowed to access Chinese satellites, no matter if its upload or download, within the US soil.

    Really? You can't use Beidou navigation then?

  22. Re: Great wall of Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did we give up our sovereign elections. Someone released some emails. If they didn't show that Hillary was a scum bag they would have had no impact. The truth hurts.

  23. "won't be able"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "won't be able"... Russian governmental morons mentally stuck back in 1970s seriously believe they can stop technical progress and information freedom and physically prevent satellites from communicating with terrestrial clients. Ha-ha, morons, good luck in your struggle with windmills! As for OneWeb and similar companies, it will be quite safe for them and better for everyone in the world to silently ignore russian and similar governments stupid and regressive laws and regulations and do what they believe is necessary to do. Information and communication freedom is the world's future, so let's place conservative and authoritarian old whoopers all over the world in their real place together!

  24. Re:Great wall of Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it, why do Republicans love Putin so much that they suck his cock and give up our sovereign elections to him?

    I don't get why democrats insist on believing FAKE NEWS and then degrading themselves with such crudeness when they are faced with political differences. It's like they want to wear jackboots and brown shirts again.

  25. Blind patriotism exists everywhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's plenty of Russians who readily believe their government's lies as soon as they play the "us vs. them" card.
    I remember the immediate aftermath of the Brexit referendum where many Russians in another online community cheered for the rational move of the UK to leave the Jew controlled EU fascists, with its homosexual and Muslim invasion agenda. Repeating the same bullshit they've just seen on their own national propaganda media.
    And here I know for a fact that not every Russian is like that. I work with a couple of them. While they love their country, they resent their government. But they still don't speak up against the bullshit of their own peers. I guess that's their sense of Russian solidarity. It's again "us vs. them" and nobody has the right to criticize your side but yourself. If you still dare to, then prepare for tu quoque retorts.
    It should be no surprise to you. Historically that is how all dictators have been handling things. Never claim responsibility for anything that's wrong in your country. Blame everything on others, namely the West.

  26. Re: Great wall of Russia? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    There's plenty to hate the regime (and the man) for without resorting to hysterics. Every time I hear about how bad he is for killing family members I wonder what those family members would have been like if they were in charge of NK, and how long he would have lived if he didn't target them. But keeping their people in poverty, on the other hand, is inexcusable.

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  27. Re: Great wall of Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's plenty to hate the regime (and the man) for without resorting to hysterics. Every time I hear about how bad he is for killing family members I wonder what those family members would have been like if they were in charge of NK, and how long he would have lived if he didn't target them. But keeping their people in poverty, on the other hand, is inexcusable.

    Yes it is, the N-Korean regime is pretty loathsome to say the least. However, after those stories about Iraqi troops tossing newborn babies on the floor in a Kuwaiti hospital and stealing their incubators turned out to be wildly exaggerated I'm going to take stories from a bunch of hysterical right-wing tabloids about N-Korean flamethrower firing squads and N-Korean executioners driving around in ZSU-23 tanks executing prisoners in sports stadiums front of tens of thousands of spectators with a grain of salt. You'd think they could at least produce a grainy cellphone video as proof. A lot of this stuff comes from sheets of toilet paper like the Daily Mail, the time they printed that article abut the killer dogs execution they actually had to stuff it full of copyrighted stock photos for lack of any shred of proof. If hundreds of thousands of soldiers are to be sent to fight another land war in Asia it seems the least to ask that this time they not be sent to die on the strength of outrageously transparent lies, I think the least we deserve these days are well crafted plausible lies. Anything else is an insult to our intelligence.

  28. Those who don't learn from ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... history are bound to repeat it; those of us who do are bound to predict it. © CaptainDork.

    Russia is in a place similar to Germany after WWI: They were once great and a superpower and a force to be reckoned with.

    Like Germany then, Russia wants to rise from the ashes. One way to do that is to refurbish the country from within by participating in a global economy and working to lift sanctions from just about every kid on the block.

    Another way is to go full isolationist, spending money it doesn't have on sell-esteem masturbatory strategies that the People don't want.

    The choices Russia is making is boat-anchoring slow in growing their economy. While audacious, it's also inefficient.

    There is no plan.

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  29. this is about Crimea by nazsco · · Score: 1

    remember that the invasion of Crimea started by installing a new internet cable and severing the one that went thru Europe.

    This is exclusively to prevent well intentioned Ukrainian (and from other Russian controlled territories) ISPs from bypassing the new Russian-monitored cables.

    1. Re:this is about Crimea by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      false,

      the invasion of Crimea started by the U.S. CIA meddling in regional affairs. CIA: Destabilizing the world on your tax dollar

    2. Re: this is about Crimea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOLOLOL.

      Why is the world becoming destabilized off our tax dollars? And how did the cia accomplish this? And please don't say oil.

    3. Re: this is about Crimea by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      no, through actual operatives working in foreign countries. Look it up, it's historic fact.

  30. Re: Great wall of Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fake news ay? Good one buddy.

  31. Russia has the right to defend itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, Orange Man Bad. Vodka Man Bad too! what a tyrannical dictator thug manie Putin is for ordering all satellite comms to be funneled through infrastructure under the direct control of the Russian military. it's not like Putin and all satellite comm providers inside Russia are under 24/7/265 attack from certain TLAs with $72 BILLION per year Black Budgets. it is certainly not the case that NSA is slurping up all "teleport facilities" (satellite traffic to/from ground stations) in the world for its own ingest. the name of such a program is certainly not TIDALSURGE.

    https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/SatelliteTransportKnowledge2014-09-14_nsadocs_snowden_doc

    and if you believe the NSA has dozens or even hundreds of "FORNSAT" sub-sub-sub-compartment-programs attacking everything in the supply chain of commercial satellite comms providers, then you're as nutty as Alex Jones rabidly frothing at the mouth about "crisis actors" staging Sandy Hook.

    https://search.edwardsnowden.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=fornsat

    and you would have to be a Certifiable Loon to think that an NSA program such as ELEGANTCHAOS and DARKQUEST, which consolidates VSAT traffic intercepted worldwide is a threat to Vodka Man Bad Pooty-poot. Putin is just paranoid and delusional to think the entire comms infrastructure of Russia is under attack by the NSA and even needs any defense!

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089532-Elegant-Chaos-collect-it-all-exploit-it-all.html

    and you'd have to be a Terry Davis level of schizophrenic to believe Russia might be in any way threatened by NSA APPARITION, which is "installed at 27 Special Collections Services sites worldwide", including New Dehli, Ankara and Istanbul, and which targets the "backhaul" infrastructure of the ground stations for dozens of Sat Comm providers

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089509-APPARITION-becomes-a-reality-new-corporate-VSAT.html

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089505-Too-much-of-a-good-thing.html

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089493-MHS-Databases-as-of-14-Aug-2008.html

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089521-Menwith-satellite-classification-guide.html

    just GTFO of here if you think Putin should rightfully worry at all about NSA programs like GHOSTHUNTER, which can geolocate anyone using Sat Comms with "near global coverage."

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089498-Ghosthunter-future-capabilities-2008.html

    Putin is obviously just hyping up imaginary threats against Russia in order to justify his stranglehold indefinitey grip on total power to the Russian people. if only the Russian people knew the Truth, that here at NSA, "We Come in Peace", and our spy satellite program NEMESIS is only surveying all microwave towers in China, in order to task them for attack and breach and collection, and then after China, NEMESIS is only going to further target Latin America, the Middle East, and North Africa. do you see the name "Russia" in there? nope. NSA's bulk hacking and interception of Sat Comm infrastructure on a global scale is clearly not a threat to Russia, because that list of targets only includes the majority of the world outside of Russia.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3089495-MHS-collection-assets.html

    QED

  32. The downward spiral continues to spiral downward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way too go! Keep showing us your greatness and your expanding influence in the world, Putin-stan! What an exciting, limitless future awaits the Russians. You can tell they're on a roll.

  33. SOCK PUPPET ALERT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    udachny is a sock puppet of roman_mir. the latter uses the former to try to convince more people that the foundational principles of his cult are righteous and sane. they both often post at -1 (and have their postings limited here on slashdot) because they have poor karma scores here as a result of repeated abusive behavior and their consistent religious proselytizing that is seldom on topic with the discussion thread. don't let him convince you that his doctrine would actually benefit you, or even result in him being less offensive.