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Europe Frightened By US 'Cloud Act', Fearing National Security Risks (straitstimes.com)

"A foreign power with possible unbridled access to Europe's data is causing alarm in the region. No, it's not China. It's the U.S.," writes Bloomberg (in an article shared by hackingbear).

"As the U.S. pushes ahead with the 'Cloud Act' it enacted about a year ago, Europe is scrambling to curb its reach." Under the act, all U.S. cloud service providers, from Microsoft and IBM to Amazon -- when ordered -- have to provide American authorities with data stored on their servers, regardless of where it's housed. With those providers controlling much of the cloud market in Europe, the act could potentially give the US the right to access information on large swaths of the region's people and companies.

The U.S. says the act is aimed at aiding investigations. But some people are drawing parallels between the legislation and the National Intelligence Law that China put in place in 2017 requiring all its organisations and citizens to assist authorities with access to information. The Chinese law, which the US says is a tool for espionage, is cited by President Donald Trump's administration as a reason to avoid doing business with companies like Huawei Technologies. "I don't mean to compare US and Chinese laws, because obviously they aren't the same, but what we see is that on both sides, Chinese and American, there is clearly a push to have extraterritorial access to data," said Ms Laure de la Raudiere, a French lawmaker who co-heads a parliamentary cyber-security and sovereignty group. "This must be a wake up call for Europe to accelerate its own, sovereign offer in the data sector."

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  1. But China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Every fucking article on China controlling state is written like they are bad guys and we are good guys.

    No, fucking morons. Our leaders are exactly the same.

  2. Please restrict us by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    America has NO RIGHT doing this. It was what Russia did within USSR and CHina does. Now, we are becoming no different than other dictatorial nations.

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  3. What they're saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is that companies, organisations, & individuals outside the US can't do business with US data farm companies if they value their privacy, R&D secrets, & IP. Add this to the revelations outed by Edward Snowden & it's a wonder that anyone in their right mind would want to get entangled in that mess.

  4. Interaction with GDPR by stevelinton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this in combination with the GDPR just going to make it plain illegal for European data controllers to put their data on US owned servers?

    1. Re:Interaction with GDPR by Cederic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Europe forces its laws on every company in the world

      Ah, that old canard.

      No, GDPR is not forced onto every company in the world.

      Companies wanting to operate or provide services in the EU must comply with EU law. What the mothering fuck is wrong with that?

  5. So, make it impossible to read the data by jtara · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, just make it impossible for even the vendor to read the (unencrypted) data. The most the vendor could do is hand over encrypted data, leaving authorities to try to decrypt it without the key. Or try to force the owner to give up the key.

    One such new offering is IBM Hyper Protect DBAAS:

    Hyper Protect DBaaS: the evolution of cloud databases

    Getting started with IBM Cloud Hyper Protect DBaaS

    IBM® hosts your databases in a highly available and secure environment:

    The underlying technologies prevent IBM or a third party from being able to access your data.
    The IBM Secure Service Container technology protects the system via a tamper-proof environment. Access to the system is restricted and is only enabled through well-defined RESTful APIs.

    Data is encrypted at rest and in flight.
    The system hardware, the system configuration, and the database setup ensure high availability.

    BTW, this doesn't run on Intel hardware. It runs on IBM Z hardware, on dedicated cores per instance, which should minimize the potential for Spectre-type attacks.

    IBM is rolling this out aggressively. How aggressively?

    For now, they are handing out well-provisioned Postgres (8G memory, 80G data) and MongoDB (8G memory, 40G data) experimental instances for free.
    Only reason I am not taking them up on this is that I know we won't be able to afford the price, once it is not free. I'll stick with out 1G memory Databases for PostgreSql instance for our little educational app.

    Hyper Protect DBaaS (pricing)

    Not an IBM shill. Just happy to not be drinking the AWS kool aid.

  6. Re:Well duh by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While Linux is obviously superiour to Windows etc, most people can't review all the code, including user land. Look at OpenSSL and even bash having vulnerabilities for years.
    It's also really hard to guard against someone sneaking in and putting a key logger in your keyboard.

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  7. Re: As they should be! by Teun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You a very wrong
    This is data belonging to the company and when a national government legally orders the company (not the ISP or storage provider!) to hand over the data to a court it is immaterial where the data is stored.
    The problem here is the US believes it can access data belonging to others without going through the owners, just because it is stored on US operated servers, even in other jurisdictions.
    Yesterday I heard German police depts. are storing their body cam footage on Amazon and now questions have been asked in the German parliament for exactly this reason/fear, US lack of legislation allows all kinds of people access without proper legal oversight.

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