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Mark Zuckerberg Says Facebook Will Shift To Emphasize Encrypted Ephemeral Messages (theverge.com)
Facebook will increasingly shift its focus away from public posts to encrypted, ephemeral communications on its trio of messaging apps, CEO Mark Zuckerberg said today in a significant new blog post. From a report: In a 3,200-word missive, Zuckerberg says that encryption will be one of the keys to Facebook's future -- and that the company is willing to be banned in countries that refuse to let it operate as a result. "As I think about the future of the internet, I believe a privacy-focused communications platform will become even more important than today's open platforms," Zuckerberg writes. "Today we already see that private messaging, ephemeral stories, and small groups are by far the fastest growing areas of online communication." [...] "I believe the future of communication will increasingly shift to private, encrypted services where people can be confident what they say to each other stays secure and their messages and content won't stick around forever," Zuckerberg says. "This is the future I hope we will help bring about."
I'll believe it when I see it
I've always assumed that Facebook reads all messages to improve its ad targeting. If so, isn't that fundamentally incompatible with the concept of encrypted messages? Or do they just mean 'encrypted to and from Facebook.'
---- I'll take you in a Hunt deathmatch any day.
I suspect that in addition to encrypted "serverless" peer-to-peer device messaging (like we got with Blackberry a decade ago) the future also lies with paid messaging services. As long as we expect Skype, Messenger, WhatsApp, Snapchat and their ilk to be "free" we have to also expect those providers to search out alternate revenue streams to finance their platforms - Revenue streams which may compromise our privacy. If we truly value privacy I expect we'll have to pay for those services.
The metadata from your ephermal messages will be stored and used to market you for FB's users, the marketing firms.
It will also be stored and used by various intel agencies in the countries FB does business in.
If even one member of your "small group" lives in one of those countries, they get your metadata too. All of it. Every drop.
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FB has already proven they will do ANYTHING for a Dolllar. Nothing willl change they will just hide it better.
I hope that facebook posts become so short lived that I never get to see them. That should really make their tracking cookies ephemeral too.
Sent from my TARDIS
...concerned about privacy?
That's almost as funny as trying to convince us to believe him.
Have confidence, expect... weasel words:
And finally, the money quote:
Not so, Mr Z. FB is not an arm of law enforcement. FB has a responsibility to respond to judicial warrants only.
... hmmm, nope, not April 1st.
Nope that is the stupidest thing I have read this week. Sure, I believe that, here's a bridge I can let you have for 59 easy payments...
Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress
sound likes a sexual position a slashdot gangbang would perform on Zuck's wife
multiple ephemerals for all!
whats the difference with Ephemeral versus Momentary, or temporary, timed,
using big werds to make your self feel bigger..
Human Router, bitch, why dont ya decrypt that shit..
Requiem for the American Dream
No need to spend on combating disinformation if you can plausibly claim you don't know that it's on your platform(s).
Oh sure right Facebook will do this and be your saviour, lol...
EXCEPT that FB *will* have access to the PRIVATE KEYS used to secure and store the messages, and they WILL datamine and sell them, and they WILL let Government do whatever the fuck they want with them.
Just as with one of the most fundamental laws of Cryptocurrency...
NOT your KEYS, NOT your MESSAGES !!!
NOT opensource third party clients, NOT your SAFETY !!!
Another law is...
you must only adopt and use
Distributed P2P Transaction Mineable Privacy Cryptocurrencies,
such as today beginning to be represented by Zcash ZEC (cryptographically secure) Monero XMR (statistically secure) Bitcoin Cash BCH (becoming statistically secure),
and actually run full mining nodes in small pools,
actually spend and replace,
actually spend locally among your friends, family, neighbors, business,
else you have NOTHING but FIAT.
*rubbs hands together and visualizes a sack of shekels*
They wouldn't do that unless they have code to data mine it before and after it's transmitted in encrypted form, and that mined data can be easily intercepted by the powers that be.
And while you're pivoting, Mark, could you stop and pick up a meal kit service, and maybe an electric car company? KTHX!
I think we all already knew that. From day one of the hoardes and masses getting on the internet, the internet was mostly AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, etc. The vast majority of the internet has been about facilitating private communication not this "public forum" BS where some young crazy socialist in the bronx argues with some old raging angry ex-cattle farmer in Montana that has no friends because he hates everyone.
Public forums will always be a bad idea. Take a look at how effective Congress has been over the whole course of the country (not at all). That's what happens when you don't communicate and govern locally.
I guess it will be as ephemeral as snapchat pictures.
...and that the company is willing to be banned in countries that refuse to let it operate as a result.
In general I've been against the US Government's attempts to control encryption, and have been since the days of the clipper chip.
But if such technologies will get Facebook out of the US, I may need to reconsider....
Didn't he say that we would all be posting and watching videos on Facebook in "the future"? I get the feeling that this guy has poor foresight.
My sig doesn't address Anons, sigs aren't visible to them.
He must be one of the chosen ones to be able to say that without a smirk
They have to get to the product.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The idea that Facebook would give its users anything which Facebook couldn't exploit by datamining is laughable; a fairytale for children and the feeble-minded.
Everything Facebook has ever done can attest to this. If you use their platform, you will have value extracted from your useage, your privacy will be breached and any and all assurances to the contrary will prove to be false.
Fuck the Zuck.
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means....
Mark Suckerberg!
Whatever the fuck he can dream up to try and mitigate the public's hue and cry over Facebook's overt dissemination of private information in exchange for $$$. Period.
And its working.
Ephemeral is cool, quirky, and fun. That is, it just saves money on storage in massive datacenters. Meanwhile, I don't want any service where I can't control how long I keep *my* data.
Facebook will still be able to look at the information. A company that is in surveillance capitalism can not survive without selling personal information. Also how about 3-rd party phone apps which use a FaceBook provided development kit are automatically sending your personal information to FB?
He could change the business model to something other than selling user data. Privacy is a much bigger issue that includes encryption.
Once a douchebucket, always a douchebucket.
Facebook does already have some ephemeral messaging capability, using the Signal network, if you use messenger.
However, and this is IMHO, of course, I personally wouldn't trust FB with messaging of any sort, because of all the news reports.
There are just better messenger apps out there. Signal, Telegram, or if you want to pack your own parachute, PGP/gpg and an existing messaging utility.
Encrypt ALL of Facebook, every page, every picture, every word. And lose the key. This would be a great improvement to the site.
Encrypted, so they can pretend they don't really know what we are saying or doing. Except for when they receive complaints, and then they will continue to decide if they wish to act or not, and how, and against whoever, at their whim. Even written policy will be sufficiently vague to permit action or inaction as they choose.
Ephemeral, so that they can pretend they didn't see never knew, can't be held responsible. Unless someone complains, and then they will continue to decide if they wish to act or not, and how, and against whoever, at their whim. Even written policy will be sufficiently vague to permit action or inaction as they choose.
Nothing changes.They will take full advantage of their control to punish enemies, promote friends, advance their agenda in any realm, and defeat the agenda of any they oppose.
And they know that already the attention market has peaked. As more sophisticated methods permit totally faked videos and pictures that are indistinguishable from reality to be published, as media companies transition fully from merely ignoring actual facts and events to fabricating content to discredit their adversaries, refusing to publish even retractions, because they will refuse to acknowledge rebuttals, as the media and attention markets complete their conversion tl purely manipulative media, we will, all of us, lose interest and find other pursuits.
And they will follow US. Devise new methods to infiltrate our existences, be it games predicated only on shaping attitudes and beliefs, mocking and ridiculing their opponents, or presenting naked propaganda as entertainment, going past the current practice and not even pretending to be mere 'entertainment', and publishing their malicious content as 'setting the record straight', when it is plainly anything but. Tell the lie long enough and loud enough, and it will be taken for truth.
But it's still the lie.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Ephemerate the big smelly turd I shat in the tub this morning!
Whenever they release this into the wild - see if they will allow 3rd party encryption external to their control on the platform
If they don't allow it, we will know what they are up to
Facebook is ridiculously evil. This is almost as bad as trusting McAfee for anti-virus
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
YOU are the ones we want privacy from, Zuckerburg, YOU. This just doesn't seem to register with these morons.
Direct quote from Zuckerberg. Anyone that believes this lying sack of shit deserves what they get.
Nobody ever has found any good way to implement ephemeral messaging. Facebook will do no better. You can always do screenshots. However the push for encryption and refusal to be present in countries that ban or backdoor it would be finally one good thing out of Facebook. That is if they mean it.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I trust the NSA more than I trust Fuckerberg. Which is to say, not at all.
Oh I know, lemme hire Charles Manson to care for my baby. ROFLMAO. There's another great idea. Now you have two.
What an idiot.
If i wanted to send a message without the whole world reading it and saving a paper trail.....I would try a phone call 1st.
Anything that says Facebook....last.
If might be 'ephemeral' to YOU but not to cambridge analytica or the nsa, cia, and fbi.
Just not from Facebook.
That's... oddly specific. *Very* oddly.
duh.
Translation: We don't want governments to abuse our source of revenue, or worse, make a profit from our copyrighted property.
Spying on everything a subscriber does and selling it, is still the Facebook modus operandi.
Normal PGP use is anything but ephemeral. end-2-end does not mean ephemeral. The decryption key with PGP is, a priori, static and unchanging. Other protocols, like signal's, wickr's etc. are better for ephemeral messaging because they bake key rotation in from the get-go.
Z: ... and then I told them it would be encrypted.
Friend: Millions of people just believe you wouldn't have backdoored the protocol so your guys could read it before it disappears?
Z: Yeah. Dumbfucks.