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Mark Zuckerberg Says Facebook Will Shift To Emphasize Encrypted Ephemeral Messages (theverge.com)
Facebook will increasingly shift its focus away from public posts to encrypted, ephemeral communications on its trio of messaging apps, CEO Mark Zuckerberg said today in a significant new blog post. From a report: In a 3,200-word missive, Zuckerberg says that encryption will be one of the keys to Facebook's future -- and that the company is willing to be banned in countries that refuse to let it operate as a result. "As I think about the future of the internet, I believe a privacy-focused communications platform will become even more important than today's open platforms," Zuckerberg writes. "Today we already see that private messaging, ephemeral stories, and small groups are by far the fastest growing areas of online communication." [...] "I believe the future of communication will increasingly shift to private, encrypted services where people can be confident what they say to each other stays secure and their messages and content won't stick around forever," Zuckerberg says. "This is the future I hope we will help bring about."
I'll believe it when I see it
I've always assumed that Facebook reads all messages to improve its ad targeting. If so, isn't that fundamentally incompatible with the concept of encrypted messages? Or do they just mean 'encrypted to and from Facebook.'
---- I'll take you in a Hunt deathmatch any day.
I suspect that in addition to encrypted "serverless" peer-to-peer device messaging (like we got with Blackberry a decade ago) the future also lies with paid messaging services. As long as we expect Skype, Messenger, WhatsApp, Snapchat and their ilk to be "free" we have to also expect those providers to search out alternate revenue streams to finance their platforms - Revenue streams which may compromise our privacy. If we truly value privacy I expect we'll have to pay for those services.
The metadata from your ephermal messages will be stored and used to market you for FB's users, the marketing firms.
It will also be stored and used by various intel agencies in the countries FB does business in.
If even one member of your "small group" lives in one of those countries, they get your metadata too. All of it. Every drop.
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FB has already proven they will do ANYTHING for a Dolllar. Nothing willl change they will just hide it better.
I hope that facebook posts become so short lived that I never get to see them. That should really make their tracking cookies ephemeral too.
Sent from my TARDIS
...concerned about privacy?
That's almost as funny as trying to convince us to believe him.
Have confidence, expect... weasel words:
And finally, the money quote:
Not so, Mr Z. FB is not an arm of law enforcement. FB has a responsibility to respond to judicial warrants only.
... hmmm, nope, not April 1st.
Nope that is the stupidest thing I have read this week. Sure, I believe that, here's a bridge I can let you have for 59 easy payments...
Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress
Requiem for the American Dream
They wouldn't do that unless they have code to data mine it before and after it's transmitted in encrypted form, and that mined data can be easily intercepted by the powers that be.
And while you're pivoting, Mark, could you stop and pick up a meal kit service, and maybe an electric car company? KTHX!
Didn't he say that we would all be posting and watching videos on Facebook in "the future"? I get the feeling that this guy has poor foresight.
My sig doesn't address Anons, sigs aren't visible to them.
They have to get to the product.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The idea that Facebook would give its users anything which Facebook couldn't exploit by datamining is laughable; a fairytale for children and the feeble-minded.
Everything Facebook has ever done can attest to this. If you use their platform, you will have value extracted from your useage, your privacy will be breached and any and all assurances to the contrary will prove to be false.
Fuck the Zuck.
Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means....
Mark Suckerberg!
Ephemeral is cool, quirky, and fun. That is, it just saves money on storage in massive datacenters. Meanwhile, I don't want any service where I can't control how long I keep *my* data.
He could change the business model to something other than selling user data. Privacy is a much bigger issue that includes encryption.
Once a douchebucket, always a douchebucket.
Facebook does already have some ephemeral messaging capability, using the Signal network, if you use messenger.
However, and this is IMHO, of course, I personally wouldn't trust FB with messaging of any sort, because of all the news reports.
There are just better messenger apps out there. Signal, Telegram, or if you want to pack your own parachute, PGP/gpg and an existing messaging utility.
Encrypt ALL of Facebook, every page, every picture, every word. And lose the key. This would be a great improvement to the site.
Encrypted, so they can pretend they don't really know what we are saying or doing. Except for when they receive complaints, and then they will continue to decide if they wish to act or not, and how, and against whoever, at their whim. Even written policy will be sufficiently vague to permit action or inaction as they choose.
Ephemeral, so that they can pretend they didn't see never knew, can't be held responsible. Unless someone complains, and then they will continue to decide if they wish to act or not, and how, and against whoever, at their whim. Even written policy will be sufficiently vague to permit action or inaction as they choose.
Nothing changes.They will take full advantage of their control to punish enemies, promote friends, advance their agenda in any realm, and defeat the agenda of any they oppose.
And they know that already the attention market has peaked. As more sophisticated methods permit totally faked videos and pictures that are indistinguishable from reality to be published, as media companies transition fully from merely ignoring actual facts and events to fabricating content to discredit their adversaries, refusing to publish even retractions, because they will refuse to acknowledge rebuttals, as the media and attention markets complete their conversion tl purely manipulative media, we will, all of us, lose interest and find other pursuits.
And they will follow US. Devise new methods to infiltrate our existences, be it games predicated only on shaping attitudes and beliefs, mocking and ridiculing their opponents, or presenting naked propaganda as entertainment, going past the current practice and not even pretending to be mere 'entertainment', and publishing their malicious content as 'setting the record straight', when it is plainly anything but. Tell the lie long enough and loud enough, and it will be taken for truth.
But it's still the lie.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Whenever they release this into the wild - see if they will allow 3rd party encryption external to their control on the platform
If they don't allow it, we will know what they are up to
Facebook is ridiculously evil. This is almost as bad as trusting McAfee for anti-virus
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
Direct quote from Zuckerberg. Anyone that believes this lying sack of shit deserves what they get.
Nobody ever has found any good way to implement ephemeral messaging. Facebook will do no better. You can always do screenshots. However the push for encryption and refusal to be present in countries that ban or backdoor it would be finally one good thing out of Facebook. That is if they mean it.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.