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USA Today Tech Columnist: Millennials Will Live To See a Cashless World (usatoday.com)

"I haven't had a nickel, dime, quarter or penny in my pocket for two years," writes USA Today tech columnist Jefferson Graham, adding "Why bother? We're now living in what's quickly becoming a cashless society, where credit cards or electronic payments on your phone rule."

His column is addressed to the mayor of Philadelphia, who this week signed a bill that bans cashless stores. Mr. Mayor. It's happening all over the world, and not just from Amazon. We are going cashless. Maybe not in your lifetime, but certainly for millennials. Banks and credit card companies want this to curb the costs of handling green. Selected merchants are into it now... USA Today's Charisse Jones discovered that cash purchases were down to 30 percent of all retail transactions as of last year compared to 40 percent in 2012. Millennials, she noted here this week, are saying no to cash, with 21 percent of those 23- to 34 years old saying that most of their transactions were in cash in 2016....

Mobile pay is still a sliver of overall retail sales, but it's definitely on the rise. Target, a long holdout, just added Apple Pay to one of its options, following in the footsteps of Best Buy, CVS, Costco and other retail giants who now accept payment via iPhone. The big, lone holdout right now is Walmart, the No. 1 retailer. It does have its own mobile pay app, that links bank payments to QR codes. And Mr. Mayor, good news for you. Walmart still accepts cash, too.

But for how long?

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  1. prefer cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unlike this crappy columnist I am a millennial with a good paying job with no debt and money in my pocket.

    I go out of my way to use cash and avoid credit cards.

    The day we have a cashless society is the day the cloud atlas economy takes hold. (i.e you are required to spend a certain amount of money a week on consumption and probably negative interest rates and financial fees as punishment if you don't)

    That or the world will migrate to Bitcoin I suppose...

    1. Re:prefer cash by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am a millennial with a good paying job with no debt and money in my pocket.
      I go out of my way to use cash and avoid credit cards.

      I'm a little older, but also debt-free and plenty of income, savings and investments. I use cash *and* credit cards, which aren't a problem if (a) they're no-fee and (b) you pay them off completely every month. Having and using them responsibly also helps your credit score -- which helps me as even my mortgage is paid off -- and you get a one-month float on your money... There's really no reason to avoid them unless you're irresponsible or stupid.

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      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    2. Re:prefer cash by sfcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also have a good paying job, no debt, but I haven't used cash in probably a year. Haven't used credit cards either. Instead I mostly use contactless payments. It's quick and easy and I don't need to carry a bulky wallet.

      On behalf of big brother, thank you for your continuing donation of financial information that we sell to pay for our hookers and blow. That yummy financial info is worth so much more than your fb likes that seem to get you millennial types so worked up...

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      "Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
    3. Re:prefer cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1) More detailed purchase histories are rare but do exist and you can bet many powerful corps would love to expand upon that. Your store-linked cards do this, tiing you to every single item you spend there.

      2) Your subversive and effective fliers you handed out at a protest.. (or perhaps your kid). have your printer's UID hidden on them, it was done in the 90s to track down fake money but naturally it expanded so an FBI agent can just scan your print outs and figure out who you are. how? you bought it with a generic card! Well, the price of the item can be estimated and used to narrow down the search... aside from product registrations, store repair plans,... besides, it's not like some printers don't have a serial number in the barcode that could be scanned in... and your generic card has your name connected to it which a bigger store does get access to. This is just a tiny bit of what is involved on this one.

      3) embarrassment... buy stuff at a sex shop? buy something innocent at a biz that was later caught sex trafficing? Plan on having a job with real power? Something of use to a government in some way? Inflential on social media? upset the wrong person who has the right connections? privatized spy services are just beginning to get going. your ex's private detective may gain access to such things in the future. accusations can get you fired.

      4) private profiling. government is only 1 risk. you can't get a job and you just don't know why.... but 3rd party HR services keep telling places to not hire you. you won't know why; they won't disclose it, the employer will not even know-- that is part of the reason they hire a 3rd party. your purchase history will just be part of it.
      Walmart got into trouble for running credit checks on people to decide if they should hire--- they wanted people with bad credit because they can abuse them more!

      5) META DATA. you buy X every X at this kind of store. you likely have Y health condition. raise insurance! or don't hire them... lay them off. you might be cheating because why do you buy in these places at these times? The REAL money is in providing guesses from interpretation of the meta data. This information YOU DO NOT OWN and no privacy measures apply because their profile of you is not your property. again, potential for government abuse is HUGE -- your self-centered life might not matter-- but already with no tech--the FBI went after MLK spying on him and trying to even get him to kill himself. your influential leaders can be taken down; hell, you will help them do it by judging others so easily joining the MOB that social media is.

      6) Stupid AI profiling. your vague pattern is the same as a pedophile 60%. anybody seeing the profile will act differently to you. We all see stupid Netflix and amazon suggestions based on our profile. Imagine those being actually used for stuff...

    4. Re:prefer cash by skegg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, but the store knows the individual items that you purchased, along with your credit card.

      You do know there's an entire industry devoted to this data? Purchased & formatted neatly by data brokers and then sold for a handsome profit.

      >> And how will that cause me harm ?

      At the moment I suspect it won't. But I don't know what will happen in 10 years.
      Will you be refused health insurance because you bought too many Twinkies, and not enough greens?
      Drank too much Coke? Were making purchases at 11pm instead of being in bed?

      Personally, it's for the potential abuses that I CAN'T think of that I prefer cash.

    5. Re:prefer cash by JD-1027 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same boat as you, but we need to go one step further. For those of us who know the proper way to use credit cards, many only GIVE you "cash" back.
      Amazon Visa - 2% restaurants always (3% on Amazon)
      Chase and Discover - Rotating 5% back on some categories

      That is free money.

      Personal note... cash is just too much of a hassle for me. I don't like always having to make sure I have enough in my wallet and dealing with change, so we usually just do credit card. I haven't run into any issues with companies knowing what I spend my money on. In some cases I get relevant coupons that actually help.

  2. cashless transactions == tax on stupidity by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is always a middle man taking a cut of an electronic transaction. I don't understand why people insist that the way of the future is to fork over a few percent of your income to credit card companies.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re: cashless transactions == tax on stupidity by niftydude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The people insisting on it and claiming it will be inevitable are the people profiting from it. If enough sock puppets and talking heads move public opinion such that it seems like a foregone conclusion, then people will be more likely to sleep walk into the brave new world of zero privacy and nickel and diming of every purchase.

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      You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
    2. Re:cashless transactions == tax on stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is always a middle man taking a cut of an electronic transaction. I don't understand why people insist that the way of the future is to fork over a few percent of your income to credit card companies.

      There is a cost to the merchant for handling cash - theft, counting, transportation, bank deposits/withdrawals, etc.

      Do cash handling costs add up to what the merchant pays to accept credit cards? I suspect not (but I don't work in retail).

      But I strongly suspect cash handling costs are much more than what the merchant pays to accept debit card payments.

    3. Re: cashless transactions == tax on stupidity by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Foregone conclusion? Sleep walk? The millenials are born into a digital world where a cell phone gives them more reach than anything the previous generation had at their age. This isn't something they need to be convinced to accept -- it's reality from day one.

      By the next generation, anyone who didn't have some digital dirt in their childhood may just be treated as a late bloomer or someone who lost their virginity later in life, not much beyond something of a curiosity.

  3. The end of private spending by golgotha007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's also important to note that governments want this, too. They used to just have visibility on big number transactions but once all cash is gone, they'll be able to monitor every transaction, no matter how small. The concept of anonymous transactions and spending privacy will be soon be over.

  4. When you make the transaction frictionless.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reminds me of the following Ted talk - when you make the transaction frictionless, they've found you spend more

    When money isn’t real: the $10,000 experiment | Adam Carroll | TEDxLondonBusinessSchool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VB39Jo8mAQ

  5. The cashless society is a mistake by Petersko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cashless society is only of interest to that portion of the population with absolutely nothing to hide. And I donâ(TM)t trust those people even a little bit.

    No way to buy some mushrooms or hash... no hiding your hotel tryst from your spouse... no way to hide your alcohol abuse from your insurance company... if there isnâ(TM)t something you want to hide from prying eyes youâ(TM)re living life wrong.

  6. World View by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everyone only sees the world they want to see. I became a landlord a few years ago. It opened my eyes to the amount and types of people who don't or can't get debit or credit cards and that's ignoring all of the people who can't handling having a credit line. I would have otherwise never learned this type of information about people and would have continually falsely believed people had access to the same resources I had. How many random people do you go around asking about their financial history?

    The metric they're measuring is total cash transactions. That's doesn't include enough information to be useful. Is that 30% of the population only using cash or 1% only using cash and 29% sometimes using it? Perhaps that 70% are only buying a couple things at a time over and over where as the 30% cash purchases are buying two weeks worth of items at a time. Perhaps the majority of the cashless transaction are in cities. Etc... People will fill in the missing details with whatever they prefer to assume which makes all further claims dangerous to make decisions on.

    Personally I use cash at toll booths, bi-weekly on Craigslist, paying a friend / splitting costs, when the card readers aren't working, and when any total ends up matching an exact bill such as a $20. And sometimes I randomly pay in two dollar bills to screw with people.

  7. Cashless comes with an additional 5% Bank TAX by tanstaaf1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Talk about what the banks don't want you to even think about: Use of Credit and Debit cards adds an enormous additional cost to the merchant and, ultimately, to the consumer -- usually just shy of 5%. The conversion to cashless isn't being done to help the citizen, that is for sure. Help the consumer out of their money and their privacy? Of course. Control the consumer? Absolutely. And the dumber than dumb Millennial generation can't put two brain cells together to figure it out. Cui bono?

  8. Prediction fail by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's how you predict things correctly:

    1. Start with things as they are
    2. Predict they will change only a little.

    That's how you get correct predictions. Nobody wants to publish them though.

    The big changes that would be interesting enough to publish in an article are too few. You won't guess them.

  9. The fun of a cashless world by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your CC comes with a new political code of conduct.
    Any gov assistance program gets a new long no buy list.
    No gambling, no drugs, no alcohol, no smoking.
    A bank account will be needed.
    Detection of illegal migrants and other criminals trying to use a fake ID.
    Social media use gets linked back to a cashless account and all spending is tracked.
    Cash gave a person the spending power to enjoy freedoms away from big gov and the politics of a bank, CC. A cashless world returns all spending to a bank, CC.
    Buy the wrong book? The wrong comment on an ISP account linked to your a cashless account?

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  10. Police will have an easy job by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As soon as "cashless" becomes a reality, police won't have to lift a finger to arrest anyone accused of a crime. They'll just turn off his phone. The suspect will turn himself in to avoid starvation.

    That's the good part of police states. Petty crime virtually disappears. The bad part is that the definition of "crime" expands so far as to encompass anyone who does something the rulers don't like. We're already seeing people being denied financial services like Paypal, Patreon, and even bank accounts simply because they speak their opinions in public. It's a new, terrifying level of control and since corporations control it instead of government, it's doing a nice job of boiling the frog.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!