Intel CPU Shortages To Worsen in Q2 2019: Research (digitimes.com)

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Intel CPU Shortages To Worsen in Q2 2019: Research (digitimes.com)

Posted by msmash on Tuesday March 12, 2019 @08:12AM from the closer-look dept.

Shortages of Intel's CPUs are expected to worsen in the second quarter compared to the first as demand for Chromebooks, which are mostly equipped with Intel's entry-level processors, enters the high period, according to Digitimes Research. From the report: Digitimes Research expects Intel CPUs' supply gap to shrink to 2-3% in the first quarter with Core i3 taking over Core i5 as the series hit hardest by shortages. The shortages started in August 2018 with major brands including Hewlett-Packard (HP), Dell and Lenovo all experiencing supply gaps of over 5% at their worst moment. Although most market watchers originally believed that the shortages would gradually ease after vendors completed their inventory preparations for the year-end holidays, the supply gap in the fourth quarter of 2018 still stayed at the same level as that in the third as HP launched a second wave of CPU inventory buildup during the last quarter of the year, prompting other vendors to follow suit. Taiwan-based vendors were underprepared and saw their supply gaps expand from a single digit percentage previously to over 10% in the fourth quarter. With all the impacts, the notebook market continued suffering a 4-5% supply gap in the fourth quarter of 2018.

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oh there's an idea for creimer's next video by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:18 · Score: 0

it will be educational fun and well presented in a pleasant manner by an experienced IT professional
IT = ingrown toenail
1. Re:oh there's an idea for creimer's next video by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:37 · Score: 0
  
  You mean his video about the AMD Athlon 200GE processor not fitting into the socket of the Asrock B450M Pro4 MATX motherboard? He mentioned that he would have gone with Intel if it wasn't for the processor shortage.
2. Re: oh there's an idea for creimer's next video by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:38 · Score: 0
  
  So when the closet cleaner talks about "DOING IT" he really means having sex with ingrown toenails. Intriguing.
No Worries... This Will Be Addressed Soon! by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:21 · Score: 2, Funny

This is not going to be a problem for much longer.
In fact, Intel's 10nm process node will be ready for high volume full-scale production any day now!
Microsoft making the problem worse by xack · 2019-03-12 08:22 · Score: 3, Insightful

By ending Windows 7. A lot of perfectly good computers will be junked and will put a strain on intel and amd for "new" PCs.
1. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by The+Optimizer · 2019-03-12 08:31 · Score: 2
  
  Apparently that's a feature for Intel & Microsoft, etc and not a bug.
  Imagine the horror if everyone kept their current PC and OS twice as long .. maybe even as much as 1/5th the lifespan of a good toaster .. Quarterly revenue growth would be devastated and shareholders and the market would revolt. Can't have that now, can we?
2. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:38 · Score: 0
  
  Look, if my toaster improved as much as an Intel CPU over generations then I would replace it like that! Boom! Sadly, they are getting worse.
  And to be honest, even with AMD, it isn't toasting so well.
3. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:40 · Score: 0
  
  My Windows Vista-compatible system ran Vista, 7, 8, and 10 without any problems. I'm building a new system after using my old one for 12 years.
4. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by HornWumpus · 2019-03-12 08:48 · Score: 1
  
  Be fair, the latest generation of Intel CPUs show a performance increase exactly in line with expectations from the faster RAM.
  Which, of course, is why these CPUs only work with Windows 10.
  
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5. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:49 · Score: 0
  
  I just got a used i7 out of recycling to replace my Pentium4. 16 gigs of RAM, terabyte HDD, pretty much all it is missing is a parallel port for my tank...er HP Laser Printer.
6. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by epine · 2019-03-12 08:50 · Score: 1
  
  A lot of perfectly good computers will be junked and will put a strain on intel and amd for "new" PCs.
  One man's "strain" is another man's comfortable margin.
  It's hardly ever the supply that's strained. The "strained" are almost always the smallest fish in the pond, with the least secure contractual futures and demand leverage. Apple is not going one measly CPU short of their ultimate desire, I guarantee it.
  What this story really means is that HP tooled up to sell a higher volume at a lower price point, and now at the last minute, they need to revamp their channel strategy for lower volumes at higher price points. Since this isn't a sexy category any longer, they probably don't enjoy a lot of pricing power, so they'd probably rather have the former scenario than the later scenario.
  At the end of the day, some consumers balanced on the marginal knife-edge will continue to run their old junk for six months longer than they might have otherwise. Then their next purchase begins to age out six months later than it might have but for the supply headwind.
  A few HP salespeople on the personal-bonus knife edge are lathering up a storm. Few other parties to the system feel any great strain at all. Even Intel's manufacturing arm probably turned the tiller months ago, and now just have to sit back and let this run itself out.
  "Hey, Intel facilities guy, couldn't you just commission that fancy stepper line a month sooner? We know this is delicate work that potentially affects yield for years to come, but We Need It Now."
  Hard, cold stare in return.
  Basically, that hard-pressed HP sales guy who is $5000 short of making his next commission rung can go jump into a cold lake.
7. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by omnichad · 2019-03-12 08:57 · Score: 1
  
  If there's a PC out there that can't have a free update to 10, it probably started its life running XP.
8. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Lonewolf666 · 2019-03-12 08:58 · Score: 1
  
  Perhaps some of the OEMs will now add a line of computers with AMD where they had none before. It was quite some time ago, but I remember Dell had that once. Might have been the time of Athlon64 vs. Pentium4.
  
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9. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:07 · Score: 0
  
  OMG poor Intel. How dare anyone increase demand for their products? Doesn't anyone think of the shareholders?
10. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:08 · Score: 0
  
  What's wrong with running Windows 10 on older CPUs? In fact, my work place had already upgraded most of the existing Windows 7-era computers to Windows 10 during the free period. (And note: these are computers with the Win7 CoA stickers on them, not Win10 stickers with downgrade rights to Win7).
  On my personal rig (a Xeon X5650), the only issue I have is VT-d incompatibility with the latest Windows 10, but I don't use VT-d anyway.
11. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:13 · Score: 1
  
  Windows 10 is only free if your privacy is worthless.
12. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:13 · Score: 0
  
  If it's a desktop it probably has an LPT1 header on the motherboard. unless it's a special low cost motherboard version for an OEM where maybe it's missing or the header pins on motherboard are unpopulated.
13. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:27 · Score: 0
  
  All the extra spyware consuming processor cycles?
14. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by mcl630 · 2019-03-12 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  Dell has had AMD systems again for at least a couple years now.
15. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by xack · 2019-03-12 09:31 · Score: 1
  
  Also perfectly good cpus are getting locked out because of lack of sse2 or 3. Its not just old cpus many embedded processors also are affected. Mozilla too not just Microsoft.
16. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:33 · Score: 0
  
  I installed Win 10 on a second gen i5 laptop. It works perfectly fine, but would probably be even better with an SSD.
  I think the real problem is that Intel held back on core counts for so long that when they finally began an increase (due to Ryzen), a bunch of people decided it was time for an upgrade. There are/were people sitting on Core 2 Duo CPUs and similar who now saw a chance for big performance improvement. Plus, you've got enthusiasts who are always looking to upgrade to the best available.
  So much for "death of the PC".
17. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:35 · Score: 0
  
  Can't they do something extra? are they not that smart?
18. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:39 · Score: 0
  
  There are already LPT to USB adapters.
19. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:15 · Score: 0
  
  They just need to produce well-configured AMD systems, especially in the laptop space. Soldered-in memory that can't be upgraded and systems that are sixty per cent throttled all the time for fake thermal reasons are unacceptable. The Ryzen chips are faster and I want that speed in built systems dammit. Take my money dammit.
20. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:20 · Score: 0
  
  You're talking out your ass.
  Windows 10 works perfectly fine on a ten year old core2 duo with 4 gigs of memory. I use one every day. Works better than those budget low-end semi-tablet-hardware laptops you can buy in a store.
  About the only thing you'd really want to do is swap out the hard drive for a half-tb SSD that costs all of 70 bucks in 2019.
  Core2 and early i5/i7 systems are a dime a dozen. You can find them used everywhere for a song. Sometimes free! All they need is a cheap modern SSD and you've got a computer that will do everything you want.
21. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:24 · Score: 0
  
  Funnily AMD has relaunched older 28nm CPUs ("Excavator" Bulldozer). One is on the obsolete FM2+ socket so can be used to build desktops with surplus motherboards or even bottom cost motherboards made for the Chinese market. Another is the low end laptop one (SoC soldered to motherboard), dual core with single channel memory, which was used on some laptops. Worse than an i5, better than an Atom, modern but modest and not quite latest GPU. It doesn't stand out from anything but avoids being terrible in any way, if a "not too slow" dual core/dual thread CPU is good enough for you. This one is used in new Chromebooks.
22. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 12:09 · Score: 0
  
  I have a slightly different problem. I'd like to upgrade my i7-3770K CPU, but according to userbenchmark.ca, I'm only getting a 25% bump in single & quad core benchmarks going to a i7-8700. The multithreaded bump is huge (100% jump), but as everyone should know, it would only be noticed if one ran heavily multithreaded applications. Pretty ridiculous to be spending more than $450 just to get a 25% bump. I can't even bring myself to go Ryzen 2700, because its even less than a bump in single and quad core performance (but cheaper, since Zen2 comes out in Q2.).
23. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 12:22 · Score: 0
  
  You're not upgrading an i7-3770K system to an i7-8700 my merely upgrading the CPU. You're just going to need to throw that i7-3770K system out and walk into your local bestbuy and buy a new one.
24. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 12:34 · Score: 0
  
  Naw man, just get the pinout adapter plate. It's not rocket science. /Kendall
25. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by omnichad · 2019-03-12 14:03 · Score: 1
  
  A bit off-topic. That wouldn't result in computers being junked in favor of something else.
26. Re: Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 15:49 · Score: 0
  
  They work fine with Linux.
27. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 16:59 · Score: 0
  
  Microsoft and Intel have been doing a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" for decades. People buy Intel CPU to run Windows. Microsoft produces new version of Windows. People buy new version of Windows which runs slower. Intel produces new fast CPU. People buy new fast CPU to run Windows. etc. Each company adjusting their release timing to more or less keep pace with the "tic-tock" schedule. During the 90's it was clear they were colluding like this although it was probably an unspoken "agreement" because the situation occurred so naturally and was so obvious fro a business perspective that no formal arrangements would have been necessary.
28. Re: Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 17:01 · Score: 0
  
  Even the 8300 series is cheap and lets you use cheaper ddr3. I just bumped up my 1090 vm host. Ryzen is better, but i don't run this one 24/7 so i refer is good enough.
29. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Chryana · 2019-03-12 17:10 · Score: 1
  
  This. Microsoft offered everyone running Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10 for free for at least a year. Didn't want to take the free upgrade when it was offered? Life is tough. Go to the store and buy the latest version. Or install Windows 10 and try the Windows 7 key, it works surprisingly often. How long do people expect Microsoft to support them for free. When you start comparing how long Microsoft supported Windows 7 compared to Google and Apple with their respective operating systems, it doesn't look that bad after all.
30. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 23:09 · Score: 0
  
  It might be a feature (*cough* programmed obsolence) for Intel if all the "new" PCs were equipped with Intel processors. I bet that if they have AMD processors instead, Intel would consider it a severe bug...
31. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-13 01:13 · Score: 0
  
  Windows 10 runs just as good on older PCs.
32. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by omnichad · 2019-03-13 01:16 · Score: 1
  
  You can still do the in-place upgrade to 10 as far as I'm aware. I still do it every month or two.
33. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-13 03:35 · Score: 0
  
  Windows 10 is still free. It does not shut down when not activated. There is no need to activate at all.
  There is a free version of Windows 8.1, Microsoft has it for a free download on their website as well.
34. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-13 05:30 · Score: 0
  
  I've been using my current laptop at home for nearly 10 years now. Yes, it's a total potato at this point.
  I think my work computer is on year 3 already...
  It's a big change from the 90s when 3 years of use was almost unheard of.
35. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by jjbenz · 2019-03-13 05:36 · Score: 1
  
  Years ago we had Dell Optiplex 740 and 580 systems at work. Both of those systems used AMD Athlon processors.
36. Re:Microsoft making the problem worse by toddestan · 2019-03-13 15:46 · Score: 1
  
  Depends on the how the computer was built. Not a lot has actually changed since the mid/late-2000's. If I wanted to replace my i7-3770k, I'd have to buy the new CPU (obvious), a new motherboard because the socket has changed, and new ram because I'd be going from DDR3 to DDR4. The new motherboard would still go in my ATX case, the power supply can be reused, the graphics card can be reused, and all the drives would plug right in. Yeah, maybe I might also want to upgrade to a M.2 SSD while I'm at it, but I could just plug in the SATA one and go with it.
  Much better situation than 10 years ago. In 2009, a computer from 2002 would have a 20 pin power supply (incompatible), AGP graphics (incompatible), and PATA drives (well, some motherboards would still support you in 2009). Pretty much the only thing you could count on being able to reuse would be the case.
Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:23 · Score: 0

With all the CPU vulnerabilities being found these days (not just Intel). I'm holding off buying ANY CPU for a few years at least.
1. Re: Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:39 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, I would accept CPU shortages because they are recalling the vulnerable CPUs, but this?
2. Re: Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:40 · Score: 0
  
  By that point, BeauHD will be old enough to vote. Do you really want to hold back long enough on a purchase for THAT to happen?
3. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:54 · Score: 0
  
  I can only think of one vulnerability that wasn't Intel specific - Intel appear to have cornered the market in insecure CPU design since then.
4. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by AHuxley · 2019-03-12 13:28 · Score: 1
  
  The part Intel gets right is speed and power for the price.
  Work and game better on Intel.
  People want their frame rates up and have a GPU to support.
  Intel products do that for games and most average computing tasks people expect to do.
  
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5. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by drinkypoo · 2019-03-12 14:15 · Score: 1
  
  The part Intel gets right is speed and power for the price.
  Work and game better on Intel.
  
  For a few paltry FPS you often wind up paying twice the price. I'm not opposed to paying more and getting more, I'm opposed to paying that much more and not getting much more at all. When you add in AMD giving ECC support at all levels, and lots of PCIE lanes even on mediocre processors, it's hard to understand how Intel is supposed to have an advantage. And if you are mitigating their vulnerabilities, that advantage disappears real fast.
  
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6. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by AHuxley · 2019-03-12 14:24 · Score: 1
  
  For some reason Intel is selling well at the price.
  Game support per core? Brand on the box?
  
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7. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by drinkypoo · 2019-03-12 14:36 · Score: 1
  
  For some reason Intel is selling well at the price.
  Game support per core? Brand on the box?
  I think it's more the latter than the former. People are just used to buying Intel. Most games are multithreaded these days anyway, and saving some money and buying a better GPU will return better results in most cases.
  
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8. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 19:20 · Score: 0
  
  The part Intel gets right is speed and power for the price.
  Work and game better on Intel.
  People want their frame rates up and have a GPU to support.
  Intel products do that for games and most average computing tasks people expect to do.
  Don't forget they even add support for malware authors!!
9. Re:Even with all the CPU vulnerabilities? by Highdude702 · 2019-03-12 23:51 · Score: 1
  
  AMD will take IPC crown on 7/7 anyways. 7nm yay.
What is a gap measured in percent? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:29 · Score: 0

Ok, I even read the article and I don't understand.
> Digitimes Research expects Intel CPUs' supply gap to shrink to 2-3% in the first quarter with Core i3 taking over Core i5 as the series hit hardest by shortages.
> Dell and Lenovo all experiencing supply gaps of over 5% at their worst moment.
> With all the impacts, the notebook market continued suffering a 4-5% supply gap in the fourth quarter of 2018.
What is a 5% "supply gap?" Does this mean they aren't delivering 5 out of every 100 CPUs?
1. Re:What is a gap measured in percent? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:35 · Score: 0
  
  I interpret this as they want 100 CPUs, but they get 95, so a 5% gap between desire and fulfillment.
Market Manipulation? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:42 · Score: 0

Someone is throttling supply so they can drive prices up?
1. Re:Market Manipulation? by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:54 · Score: 0
  
  the fix for the tool to fix the tool that is used on other parts has been delayed, again. sorry
Well, sounds like it'll be solved next year by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:44 · Score: 0

With Apple switching to ARM that'll remove about 3% of the demand for Intel CPUs.
1. Re:Well, sounds like it'll be solved next year by Joe_Dragon · 2019-03-12 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  and the pro market may move to AMD systems at the lower cost and more pci-e lanes then Intel as well.
2. Re:Well, sounds like it'll be solved next year by omnichad · 2019-03-12 08:59 · Score: 1
  
  They won't be announcing that for 2 more weeks. Shhh!!
3. Re:Well, sounds like it'll be solved next year by GonzoPhysicist · 2019-03-12 10:08 · Score: 1
  
  The next gen (Zen2) is supposed to be spectre-proof too
  
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4. Re:Well, sounds like it'll be solved next year by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 11:20 · Score: 0
  
  Intel corrected lane count crippling in their lower end LGA 2066 processors at least :
  https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/x-series/i7-7820x.html
  28 lanes
  https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/x-series/i7-9800x.html
  44 lanes
  (these are lanes connected to the CPU, X299 chipset has another 24 lanes)
  That's enough lanes (more than I'd need. I'm stuck with slow wifi and HDD anyway and what I need is more RAM. Even if I use 1000BaseT I won't need lanes for that)
5. Re:Well, sounds like it'll be solved next year by Joe_Dragon · 2019-03-12 16:13 · Score: 1
  
  there should be no capping at all. I think the imac pro may even been cut down a bit by apple planing an just in case.
Time to stock up on AMD by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 08:46 · Score: 0

Time to stock up on AMD
Sounds like a great time... by SuperKendall · 2019-03-12 08:55 · Score: 2

...for some companies to switch to ARM.
Who is ready, I wonder?

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1. Re:Sounds like a great time... by Maelwryth · 2019-03-12 09:59 · Score: 1
  
  Try this
  
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2. Re:Sounds like a great time... by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:12 · Score: 1
  
  There are Windows 10 laptops with an ARM Snapdragon and 8GB RAM. Might not be that bad as a small fanless desktop or all-in-one computer, if they made ones. But I don't think they give a shit about making a desktop.
  Some people run Ubuntu on nvidia Shield TV (slower CPU and 3GB RAM, relatively powerful GPU if nvidia proprietary driver actually runs)
  There's this as neither x86 nor ARM.
  It's just.. fairly expensive compared to a PC but not completely outlandish.
  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Blackbird-POWER9-Pre-Orders
  https://secure.raptorcs.com/content/BK1MB1/purchase.html
  not something high volume either so it should be easier to buy PCs under "shortage"
  you'll run into software issues too (e.g. browsers and codec are optimized for x86 and ARM only)
  but it's something as powerful as a PC that is not a PC (but... quite looks and works like one anyway!) which is not very common in this century.
3. Re:Sounds like a great time... by AHuxley · 2019-03-12 13:25 · Score: 0
  
  What ARM? Who has the fully supported desktop motherboard with consumer RAM, storage, power supply ect ready to go?
  ARM that's not a server?
  ARM thats ready for todays powerful gaming GPU?
  Got the OS and computer game code ready too?
  Got all of todays CPU and GPU intensive games ready on ARM?
  
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4. Re:Sounds like a great time... by radarskiy · 2019-03-13 05:38 · Score: 1
  
  For it to be a great time to switch to ARM, you not only need someone with ARM processors to fit the design you want to put them but also someone with fab capacity at advanced process nodes that can be used to make them. The problem is NO ONE HAS SPARE FAB CAPACITY AT ADVANCED NODES.
I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by melted · 2019-03-12 09:25 · Score: 4, Informative

AMD Ryzen chips are pretty great right now, on both the low and the high end, and there's a significant update coming out mid-year. Moreover, at the low end they ship with much better integrated GPUs. And they're a bit cheaper, too.
1. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by Type44Q · 2019-03-12 10:12 · Score: 1
  
  Moreover, at the low end they ship with much better integrated GPUs.
  Integrated GPU's that still ride on the memory bus. I just built a cheap Ryzen system for a friend and in it went a $20 eBay GT720: Accept no substitutes for discrete graphics.
2. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by melted · 2019-03-12 12:02 · Score: 1
  
  Most people don't play games, and for most of the rest integrated GPU is still quite adequate.
3. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 12:09 · Score: 0
  
  AMD needs to use this as an opportunity to start using grown-up names for their products.
  (My thought process: "Ryzen? No thanks. I don't overclock. I prefer my bits unscrambled.")
4. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by AHuxley · 2019-03-12 13:26 · Score: 1
  
  The problem is people like to buy Intel and are voting with their spending to enjoy Intel CPU products.
  
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5. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 16:19 · Score: 0
  
  Accept no substitutes for discrete graphics
  Tell that to Hades Canyon. Integrated Vega GPU equivalent to approx GTX 1060.
6. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by melted · 2019-03-12 16:27 · Score: 1
  
  Intel has been consistently aiming for their own feet over the past couple of years. Maybe people will reconsider their ways. I certainly have.
7. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 17:35 · Score: 0
  
  Most people don't play games ... that require discrete graphics.
8. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 21:18 · Score: 0
  
  I mean, by your own admission you pick the option that sounds professional over the one that acts professional.
  That is a bit immature in itself, but whatever floats your boat.
9. Re: I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 23:19 · Score: 0
  
  Sorry but integrated gfx isn't THAT bad anymore. Any discrete gfx card cheaper than $50 doesn't have a reason to be on a new build because it will actually be slower.
10. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by TeknoHog · 2019-03-13 01:51 · Score: 1
  
  Accept no substitutes for discrete graphics
  Tell that to Hades Canyon. Integrated Vega GPU equivalent to approx GTX 1060.
  If it's sharing the memory bus with the CPU, then that's a lot of GPU power going to waste. However, a little googling shows that Hades Canyon actually has 4 GB of dedicated memory, which is not too shabby.
  
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11. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by samwichse · 2019-03-13 07:44 · Score: 1
  
  Ryzen 5 2400g integrated graphics are about on par with a GT1030, which should be a chunk faster than that GT720.
  Like you said, the shared memory bus is a bottleneck, so I just built one with 2933, which seems to hit the sweet spot with price/performance for RAM:
  https://www.pcper.com/reviews/...
  It's a heck of a step up in games from the system I was running before (an elderly GTX260 with a quad core FX processor) and the whole thing draws about 1/3 what the old system did running all out (and almost nothing at idle).
  Nice upgrade for the price, and you can throw in a discreet card later as the integrated graphics get long in the tooth.
12. Re:I don't see a problem. I see the opposite by thegarbz · 2019-03-13 08:19 · Score: 1
  
  Please tell me you're joking. The Vega RX11 in the Ryzen iGPU is between 4x and 6x faster than a GT720 on it's best day. The Vega RX8 is only a few percent worse than the 11. In a general sense they are on par with current entry level cards like the GTX1030 which is a damn sight faster than your waste of $20.
Rather buy older core i5 then Celeron by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 09:27 · Score: 0

I needed a second PC and decided a older core i5 was a much better choice then a new PC with a Celeron for the price. I see a lot of those cheap $300 PC's being sold but honest many complain about them being slow when doing any multi tasking. Unless you buy a core i3 or better their really pretty crappy in terms of performance. But I guess price drives people to think their good enough.
1. Re:Rather buy older core i5 then Celeron by toddestan · 2019-03-13 16:00 · Score: 1
  
  My guess is the CPU is fine. Those machines are hobbled mostly by slow drives, and lack of ram which a decent portion is gobbled up by the GPU. A lot of those Celerons benchmark similar to Core 2 Duo chips, and a halfway decent Core 2 system can run a current OS perfectly fine and is a usable desktop system.
Naw, they'll have their hard disks pulled by rsilvergun · 2019-03-12 09:56 · Score: 1

and be resold. My 9 year old Athlon XP 3000 ran Win10 just fine until I replaced it with an i5-4590k so I could game on my main TV.

If anything the pressure will be in reverse as used computers hit the market. Especially in countries that don't pay too close attention to where a Windows license came from.

Same thing's happening with GPUs. I just got an RX 580 off ebay for $100 bucks shipped and you can get a brand new RX 570 for $130 bucks shipped with two free games.

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Thank goodness for AMD! by EzInKy · 2019-03-12 10:04 · Score: 1

It is crazy there is so much focus on Intel.

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Boycott by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:13 · Score: 0

Intel openly does business in lands under military occupation by Israel. Just say no!
Buy only AMD until Meltdown and Spoiler are fixed! by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:18 · Score: 1

I mean it. Sooner or later a truly malicious exploit on them is going to come out. It would not surprise me at all if it eventually got traced back to Microsoft trying to force sell more Win 10 licenses by hook or by crook.
Need SSE2 CPU instructions by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 10:42 · Score: 0

This had to be an Athlon 64 3000+ or similar Sempron.
Athlon XP are one of the few CPUs that can't run Windows 10 because they're lacking SSE2 and NX bit. (same for Sempron that are rebranded Athlon XP)
There's something very low key and sleazy on this subject : if you're still running a PC without SSE2 on Windows 7, they aren't receiving newer security updates anymore. It wasn't a new issue that new "32bit" x86 software requires SSE2 and perhaps things are tooled for this (Visual Studio, libraries etc.) but you might not have known that Windows Update updates as of 2017 or 2018 won't install anymore.
So if someone has been running Windows 7 for the last 8 years on some high spec Pentium III or 32bit Athlon desktop or laptop and still is actually using it (because it works?) then it should not be let on the Internets (though, even Firefox 52 refused to work on it so you shouldn't be browsing on it already).
Pentium 4, Pentium M, Pentium D, Core Duo, VIA C7, Athlon 64 have SSE2 and still can run Windows 7 updates fine (if you have a 64bit Pentium 4 you might try updating to Windows 10 if you really want to. Afterall Windows 10 runs like crap on more powerful machines, so if you can run it like crap on a secondary PC that costs you nothing, why not)
1. Re:Need SSE2 CPU instructions by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 12:03 · Score: 0
  
  Don't stop at Core Duo. First generation i3/5/7 (laptop) CPUs (arrandale) can't run windows 10, because Intel wouldn't make a video driver that would meet minimal windows 10 requirements. I've never wanted a laptop without a discrete GPU since.
It's fake news anyway... by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 11:45 · Score: 1

Nobody wants a Spectre, Meltdown, Spoiler, and IME bug-ridden Intel CPU. Until Intel gets their act together to close all these serious hardware design flaws, there will be NO shortage of craptastic Intel CPUs because nobody wants this garbage. Anyone claiming otherwise is spouting Fake News.
1. Re: It's fake news anyway... by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 16:37 · Score: 0
  
  Ryzen rocks. I'm still on my "old" 1700, 8 core, 16 thread, 4ghz, 65 watt beast. If it wasn't fast enough I'd jump on threadripper
  Rock stable.
2. Re: It's fake news anyway... by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 23:39 · Score: 0
  
  AMD hasnâ(TM)t made a power/perfoance competitive part for years until Ryzen came out. I also have been using intel for the last 5-6, just like anyone else who read the specs and wasnâ(TM)t broke.
Disco by Tablizer · 2019-03-12 12:11 · Score: 1

PC's are the latest rage, who wouldda guessed.

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Sandy Bridge by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 15:44 · Score: 0

Sandy Bridge crushes these systems thoroughly on CPU performance and gives you full SATA3 speed on your SSD for a few dollars more than those clunkers.
literally hitler by Anonymous Coward · 2019-03-12 15:47 · Score: 0

literally hitler
such a bad goy
Sounds like a great time... by hcs_$reboot · 2019-03-12 16:47 · Score: 1

...to put Linux on older CPUs.

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