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Huawei Says It Has a Backup OS In Case It's Cut Off From Android (engadget.com)

Huawei has built its own operating system for phones, tablets and computers in case tensions between Huawei and the U.S. escalate even further than they already are. "The OS has been rumored for years, but Huawei confirmed its viability with the South China Morning Post, saying it could be used if the company were cut off from Android or Windows," reports Engadget. "It's seen as a last resort, but given the current discord between the U.S. and Huawei, it's not entirely surprising that the company has a plan B." From the report: Huawei began building the OS in 2012, after the U.S. banned Chinese telecom equipment maker ZTE from using American products and services. This was reportedly seen as a way to prepare for "worst-case scenarios." Now, with Huawei suing the U.S. government and the U.S. saying it might punish Germany if the country works with Huawei on its 5G networks, those worst-case scenarios might not be too far-fetched. At the moment, this doesn't change much. Android and Windows are still the company's first-choice. "We fully support our partners' operating systems -- we love them and our customers love them," a company spokesperson told South China Morning Post. Still, given the state of the U.S.-Huawei relationship, this contingency plan could be significant.

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  1. Re:Copyright? What Copyright? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since Google is blocked in China all Chinese Android users already have their own alternative versions, e.g. their own app stores and search services to replace the missing ones. Huawei is no exception so all they need to do is have a plan to continue core OS development on their own, rather than starting from scratch.

    That would make sense, given that Android is open source and there are lots of apps for it.

    A few western companies have already done the same thing, e.g. with compatibility layers for running Android apps on other operating systems.

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  2. Permissive License by DrYak · · Score: 4, Informative

    The base OS itself, i.e. AOSP, is licensed under a permissive license (Apache 2.0)

    Huawei (just like anybody else - e.g. Amazon's Fire and free/libre projects like LineageOS, also compatibility layers like Andbox) can freely copy Android all they like and nobody is every going to tell them anything.

    The problem isn't the base OS. It's the giant blob for service that Google only provides to licensed partner: the Google Play Services.
    That one might be required by some apps: that includes some mapping apps relying on the Google Maps Service (e.g.: some car sharing applications) and that include Google Play Store it-self.

    A chinese manufacturer can slap android on their phone, but the users won't have access to the usual Play Store and won't be able to install some application. That's why they usually provide teir own eco-system of apps. (Just like Amazon had their own application store).
    Even more so because Google is banned in China anyway.

    If you WANT to install those apps, you'd need to:
    - Pirate the google service (lots of cheap chinese phone manufacturer to that).
    - Install google services legally (as an end user, you can ask for a free license under some circumstance)
    ( ^- You know, Google would be happy at the opportunity to siphon your data anyway, so they are not against the idea of end-users installing it after-market. They are only against manufacturer not providing the exact "Google Experience" that they want - i.e.: try to get users hooked on Google Apps).
    - Install an open-source re-implementation of these services such as MicroG
    ( ^- And these one are much more configurable and can leak a lot less personnal data than the real google deal. Your smartphone's battery will appreciate not needing to ping back the mother ship every 30 seconds).

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    1. Re:Permissive License by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This has been long done with in China, as google play services have been overwhelmingly blocked there on their Great Firewall. By far the most popular OS on Chinese phones is android. Without google play.

      The train you're complaining about being on the station left the station many years ago. Chinese android variants have long done away with any google play dependencies, and their customers largely don't care about google play in any way, as Tencent et al have long developed alternatives for everything and more.

    2. Re:Permissive License by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm wondering whether we will eventually get a trustworthy western corporation with their own version of Android that doesn't snoop so much. I have an old Android phone that my kid uses and that thing lasts almost a week on a single charge of the 1800 mAh battery. We opted not to sign in to a Google account when configuring the device and disabled mobile internet. I imagine you could probably have a phone that ran quite a bit longer if you were willing to put up with some minor inconveniences like only polling for new mail periodically.

      I really don't need that much stuff from Google Play at this point and could probably go completely Google free by replacing most of what I do on my phone with open source alternatives. My needs are pretty basic, and could probably be filled by having a good browser like (Firefox perhaps) and simple email, messaging, and phone tools

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  3. Go ahead by qbast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    " Now, with Huawei suing the U.S. government and the U.S. saying it might punish Germany if the country works with Huawei on its 5G networks, those worst-case scenarios might not be too far-fetched." Punish away, but retaliation will come from 27 countries.

    1. Re:Go ahead by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is more that time that Europe start to understand that the US are not ally

      It's not that Europe does not understand that the US is a sucky ally (and unusually so at the moment), it's that they understand that being the ally of Russia and China is way worse.

  4. Re:Copyright? What Copyright? by Freischutz · · Score: 2

    Probably a copy of Android.....

    In the FOSS community it's called forking, it's done all the time and there is nothing wrong with it. In fact Android uses the Linux kernel under the hood so in that sense the Android core systems themselves are a fork (a.k.a. 'copy') of Linux.

  5. Not a huge surprise... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

    For the Chinese market do you really need anything being AOSP, a skin that tries to look like iOS; and WeChat support? Maybe an in-app payment system for pay to win mobile games?

    1. Re:Not a huge surprise... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      They have all the same kinds of services that Android offers. App store, AV protection, cloud sync, voice assistant, account and payment management for families, OTA updates etc.

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  6. Re:who ? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    US worked on the Sino-Soviet split https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    China was rewarded with US investment and advanced tech.
    Taiwan the real China no longer had as much US support.

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  7. Re:who ? by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

    Capitalist enterprises from the West invested in China, and were welcomed there by Mr. Deng Xiaoping and his followers.

  8. Re:Huawei Says It Has a Backup OS In Case It's Cut by e3m4n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I was an authoritarian regime looking for a cover story to replace everyones software on their device with something I could control in greatee detail, this would be a good one. In fact why not just roll that social media credit system into the payment apps as well. Surcharges for lower social credit scores, etc. Best of all we made it look like someone elses fault so our people flock to this change.

  9. Man I hate how "OS" has been diluted. by shess · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've been working so hard on our own OS! It's Android, but with a skin and without a few apps!

    A new Linux OS is out! It's Ubuntu, with a different terminal emulator!

    We wrote 10,000 lines of code, added it to the existing 15 million lines of code, and now we have something new! We're relevant and important!

    In reality, this just makes them on par with a precocious 8th grader.