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EU Expected To Hit Google with Another Massive Antitrust Fine (fortune.com)

If you thought the European Commission was done hitting Google with massive fines, think again. From a report: Having already whacked the U.S. company with a $2.7 billion fine in 2017 (for disadvantaging comparison-shopping rivals in its search results) and a $5 billion fine last year (for disadvantaging software rivals in the Android ecosystem,) the Commission will reportedly issue another financial penalty next week. The fine's imminent nature was reported Friday by the Financial Times, citing three unnamed sources. The Commission and Google both declined to provide comment on the report. It is all about Google's restrictions on the "AdSense for Search" boxes that third-party websites use to make it easier for users to search their sites. Searches conducted through the boxes bring up Google ads and, with Google having such a dominant position in the European online search advertising market, the Commission warned the company in 2016 that it believed the company was illegally abusing its position.

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  1. Are they really gonna hit 'em? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can only hope.

    Maybe Google would change its evil ways then.

    1. Re:Are they really gonna hit 'em? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      Yea, and zebra's will lose their stripes. Sorry, I agree with you. But I just don't see it happening.

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    2. Re:Are they really gonna hit 'em? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yea, and zebra's will lose their stripes"

      Maybe that plural could lose its apostrophe. Why did you write zebra's but not also sripe's?

    3. Re: Are they really gonna hit 'em? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is surprised by the news?

    4. Re:Are they really gonna hit 'em? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, a company with 160 billion USD yearly revenue will definitely change its strategy from a 5 billion fine. They will just deduct them from profits and pay less taxes next year.

    5. Re:Are they really gonna hit 'em? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, and zebra's will lose their stripes. Sorry, I agree with you. But I just don't see it happening.

      I meant "hit them" literally.

      Like with a club. Or a large tree. Maybe even half a mountain.

      Because taking money away doesn't seem to be even getting Google's attention, much less affecting their evil.

    6. Re:Are they really gonna hit 'em? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, a company with 160 billion USD yearly revenue will definitely change its strategy from a 5 billion fine. They will just deduct them from profits and pay less taxes next year.

      5 billion here, 10 billion there, it starts slow but it adds very very quickly to large fines even the likes of Google have problems dealing with. Take any company and impose a 10% tax on their yearly revenue. It's going to make a dent. And remember this fine can be imposed every year until the company changes behaviour. So yeah this kind of fine is very very relevant. Of course in the US you have regulatory caputure so it's the companies that fuck the public and the State laughing all the way to the bank and not viceversa.

  2. Obama didn't enforce anti-trust law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all Obama's fault. Mass shootings streamed live on Facebook are his fault too. You can't blame Trump.

    1. Re: Obama didn't enforce anti-trust law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't blame Trump for any of this, he's blameless, impotent and incompetent.

  3. Figures by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When you can not tax them, them make up crimes and hit them with massive fines. I notice that America is now joining that attitude.
    I wonder how soon the west will realize that this approach is destroying us? Perhaps Xi and Putin (along with their online trolls ) can write a book about how to destroy western nations.

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    2. Re:Figures by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      them make up crimes

      Anti-competitive behaviour isn't a made up crime. It's a crime in most countries. The fact America chooses not to pursue it despite also having anti-trust laws in place doesn't mean they are imaginary.

      I wonder how soon the west will realize that this approach is destroying us?

      Want to destroy the west? De-regulate the free market. The free market is inherently unstable with more than one company in it and will eventually consolidate to a monopoly. How great that would be. Fancy a dinner at Taco bell? Every restaurant is now taco bell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      them make up crimes

      Anti-competitive behaviour isn't a made up crime. It's a crime in most countries. The fact America chooses not to pursue it despite also having anti-trust laws in place doesn't mean they are imaginary.

      I wonder how soon the west will realize that this approach is destroying us?

      Want to destroy the west? De-regulate the free market. The free market is inherently unstable with more than one company in it and will eventually consolidate to a monopoly. How great that would be. Fancy a dinner at Taco bell? Every restaurant is now taco bell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Really? Remeber any huge antitrust action that prevented Taco Bell from buying out everyone? Yeah, neither do I. In fact the opposite is true: the free market has a natural tendency by itself to be fragmented, because huge corporations are natually less efficient than small ones due to all the administrative overhead - UNLESS the market itself has a high entry barrier (like for example computer manufacture, you can't open a mom and pop shop at next corner making CPU dies), or there is a ton of stifling government regulation in the field (large corps can afford enough lawyers to sidestep them, small ones have to suck it up), or there is a strong uniformization pressure (all my family and friends use Facebook, therefore I can't use Google+ because I will be alone there).

      I dare you to name ONE market that is dominated by a monopoly, where none of the above three is the case.

    4. Re:Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real crime is that US oligarchs and their mouthpieces at Fox have succeeded in convincing virtually everyone in the US that the term "free market" means free from regulation. A "market" is a set of rules governing trade (eg: property law). The "free" part means anyone can participate provided they play by the rules. A set of rules that's free from rules is an oxymoron.

    5. Re: Figures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huge corporations are natually less efficient than small ones due to all the administrative overhead

      That's WindBourne level retarded.

  4. Correct by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    You have to stop the behaviour for them to stop the fines.

    If you don't stop the behaviour, you can't stop the fines.

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    1. Re:Correct by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't have a problem with fines per se. But the problem with the EU approach is they don't state exactly how to stop the behavior. They instead require companies to propose a solution, and they will reply whether or not they think the solution is good enough. If they don't think it's good enough, the company has to go back to the drawing board, come up with a new solution, and propose that. Repeat.

      If you're going to fine a behavior, then you need to exactly define what behavior will cause the fine. That way companies can avoid that precise behavior to avoid the fine. If you don't want companies collecting personal info, but collecting personal info is a requisite for doing business (e.g. credit card payments), then either you need to state exactly under what situations and for how long you can collect personal info, or you need to prohibit the practice (and credit card payments) entirely. You can't just say "don't be evil" and expect companies to be able to comply.

      The EU approach allows a degree of capriciousness on the part of government regulators which makes it extremely difficult for companies to come into and remain in compliance with EU anti-trust laws. I can understand why the EU wants to do it that way - it prevents loopholes. But the economic drag caused by that uncertainty about what exactly is/isn't allowed by the law far outweighs the benefit of not having loopholes.

    2. Re:Correct by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure they state how to stop their behaviour.

      The literal fine says what it's for. Just stop doing that. All of it.

      You're trying to think of ways for corporations to not stop their behaviour, but to find a loophole. There aren't any loopholes.

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    3. Re:Correct by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      The entire idea is capriciousness. That way, they can do whatever they like with no constraints. Give Americans clear guidelines and they'll cleverly think of something Europeans didn't think of. Capriciousness is a hallmark of authoritarian governments. They LIKE that you have to live in fear of them changing their minds. It's very troubling that a representative government like the EU is aping this method.

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    4. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its basically a EU tax for the wealthiest companies. seriously.
      some also call it bullying.

    5. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to stop the behaviour for them to stop the fines.
      If you don't stop the behaviour, you can't stop the fines.

      And in this case, they did stop the behavior around three years ago, and can't stop the fines.

      This is the problem without laws to follow or avoid breaking, you never know when they will decide you personally are doing wrong while others aren't, and for what.

      You see others doing a thing, but not as well as you think you can.
      Those others say it's legal. The government has no law saying it isn't legal.

      Yet after you do it and more successfully, the government comes along and says that action is now illegal when you and only you do it.

      There is no defined behavior to avoid so you don't get fined. No longer doing that behavior doesn't stop the fines.

      It's not any wonder that no businesses in the EU innovate at anything. That innovation that isn't illegal could easily get you fined with no way to prevent or stop the fines.
      Yet people clearly like some of those innovations, as they flock to them as provided by companies in other countries. That's exactly why Google became the dominate player in the EU in the first place.

    6. Re:Correct by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      If they do stop the behaviour, the fines will stop.

      I stand by my correct interpretation of the law.

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    7. Re: Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because they don't know. Europe has not been able to develop any web-based economy in almost 30 years. Their new copyright law basically requires the 21st century to adapt to the 20th. That's because mentally that's where european leaders exist.

    8. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they state how to stop their behaviour.

      The literal fine says what it's for. Just stop doing that. All of it.

      You're trying to think of ways for corporations to not stop their behaviour, but to find a loophole. There aren't any loopholes.

      Fines are not laws. Fines may say whatever they like or not like, while still be insufficient to correct the behavior. A fine for a "moving violation" does not define what a moving violation is, let alone defining all possible moving violations.

      So, what precisely is 'that' and 'All of it'?

      Define in legal terms please.

    9. Re:Correct by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      You don't grok EU accounting. I get that. It's not prescriptive, like US accounting. It's inclusive.

      Just stop the behaviour. Stop trying to find shortcuts that let you continue the behaviour you know they're being fined for.

      Weasel words won't work. Lawyers won't work. Ceasing the behaviour itself will.

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    10. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they do stop the behaviour, the fines will stop.
      I stand by my correct interpretation of the law.

      The Fortune article linked to above states:
      Google has since 2016 phased out such contractual terms in order to address the Commissionâ(TM)s concerns

      So as you say "If they do stop the behaviour, the fines will stop."
      Since the "IF" is true, that means you are saying "the fines will stop" is true.

      Yet that same article also states:
      the Commission will reportedly issue another financial penalty next week.

      That contradicts what you say. The behavior stopped but the fines won't stop.

      Of course the claims made by the Fortune article may not be true, but as this has happened to Google in the past for other behaviors too, there is no reason on the face of it to think that.

      I also have no objection to your interpretation of the law. If it is correct, and I haven't nor am currently saying it isn't correct, but that just means this fine next week and at least one in the past are the result of the EU Commission violating that law.

      I should add I agree your interpretation of the law is how it *should* be. I am only pointing out that the law and reality are playing out differently. (Not that governments not following their own law is at all unique to the EU, all of the ones I'm familiar with have done or do it)

    11. Re:Correct by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I really don't think you understand how EU rules are implemented. It is possible that Google doesn't either. Maybe they think they can throw lawyers at the problem or accountants, and it will just go away. They need to change their business practices. Nothing less will work.

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    12. Re:Correct by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      I don't have a problem with fines per se. But the problem with the EU approach is they don't state exactly how to stop the behavior. They instead require companies to propose a solution, and they will reply whether or not they think the solution is good enough.

      Huh?!?! What a load of bollocks. Google employs some of the smartest people on earth, I have every confidence in Google's ability to figure that little puzzle out.

    13. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what precisely is 'that' and 'All of it'?

      Define in legal terms please.

    14. Re:Correct by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      IAL. Read the judgement.

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    15. Re: Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this different from the regulatory environment in the US or other countries?

      You hire lawyers, compliance, audit teams, and sometimes you get sued or fined. Then you apeal or whatever the lawyers do.

      There's no such thing as stick to this track and you will not be fined, I promise! Even parking tickets have grey areas, sometimes the city wins, sometimes you win. Where's the you are immune from tickets if you park thusly law?

    16. Re:Correct by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But the problem with the EU approach is they don't state exactly how to stop the behavior.

      What law on any book gives you instructions on how to not break it? It's not difficult to understand anti-trust regulations and abuse of market power.

      They instead require companies to propose a solution, and they will reply whether or not they think the solution is good enough. If they don't think it's good enough, the company has to go back to the drawing board, come up with a new solution, and propose that. Repeat.

      There is of course an alternative: Just impose daily fines until the process stops. Is that the answer you were after? Many large legal cases work in exactly this way. The point is to create a discourse that ends the behaviour rather than dragging on endless legal battles as preferred in America.

    17. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't think you understand how EU rules are implemented.

      That's the general idea I've been saying the whole time.

      It is possible that Google doesn't either.

      I thought that was the main reason they would have an EU HQ, specifically for that purpose.
      But from their US HQ I can completely understand why there is so much confusion.

      Maybe they think they can throw lawyers at the problem or accountants, and it will just go away.

      You see over here in the US, the default firewall rule of the law, so to speak, is "allow".
      Laws then are things stated as NOT allowed.
      Possibly more laws adding exceptions or conditions to that.

      For example, by default it is completely legal and allowed to wear a fish on your head.
      Then a law can be made saying it is a crime to wear a fish on your head, at which point you can't do so without breaking that law.
      Later someone may complain that wearing a plastic fish shouldn't be a crime because the person who wrote that law wanted to prevent fish abuse. Thus, an exception/condition can be made that only live fish wearing is illegal, fake fish are allowed to be worn.

      A punishment is only enacted if you actually DO that however, and only after the law exists.

      They need to change their business practices. Nothing less will work.

      But change them how? In what way? To what end?

      You say nothing less will work, but nothing equal or more is working either!
      They were told what they were doing is a problem. They changed their business practices and stopped doing it

      You keep saying that will work, that will keep them from being fined, not breaking the law won't get them in trouble.
        But did you even read todays article?? They are being FINED for something they aren't doing anymore.

      Changing their business practices as you suggest didn't work like you said it will.
      If changing their business practices "will work", why does todays story even exist? Why is there a new record fine coming next week then?

    18. Re:Correct by gravewax · · Score: 2

      Not only did they tell them how to stop the behaviour, they warned them 3 years ago the behaviour was believed to be illegal.

    19. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're trying to think of ways for corporations to not stop their behaviour, but to find a loophole. There aren't any loopholes.

      A friend of mine almost went into corporate law because she wanted the thrill of the puzzle -- not "how the keep the company on the straight and narrow", but "find legal presidents to do whatever the CEO / board / whoever wants to do." Basically JLP: Make It So.

    20. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they don't state exactly how to stop the behavior.

      The reasons fo the fines are quite explicitly mentioned, in the android case it was a non compete clause and the fix would have been to remove that artificial restriction on the market. Google of course refused, they have no interest in running in a market that isn't forced to play by their rules.

    21. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is permitted and not permitted is already described in the laws/regulations. It is not for the European Commission to suggest ways in which companies could comply.

      Another way to look at this is that I believe that US law, in many respects, is rules-based (e.g. tax law, securities law etc), whereas I would argue that much of the EU regulatory regime is principles-based. For example, the GDPR requires that consent for data processing be "freely given", but whereas it does provide some more detail behind what this means it is the principle which must be complied with rather than any more specific example in the text.

      Finally, the EU does not impose fines as a first recourse - Google will have been told some time ago what the Commission's concerns are and why it thinks Google's behaviour contravenes European law. Google will have had an opportunity to make its case.

    22. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They changed their business practices and stopped doing it"

      But by doing it in the first place they broke the law.

    23. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I haven't bothered to read up about this particular case so this might not apply to this particular fine.

      However, it is illegal for a company with a monopoly (dominant position) in one market to use the profits from that market to push themselves into a dominant position into another market.

      When you have a monopoly you can hike the prices and get an unreasonable profit. This allows you to run your business in another market at a loss and starve off the competition.

      Pretty much every free service Google have provided is funded by their search engines advertising.
      When it comes to maps, mail and smartphone operating systems there used to be plenty of smaller companies competing.
      Google killed all of that off by providing a free service funded by the search engine.

      Essentially EU can keep fining Google and push that money to upstarts until there are at least a dozen companies with the same market share as Google in those segments.

      The only problem is that the hammer didn't go down on Google when they started their illegal practices.
      It should never have come to the point that we are at now.

    24. Re:Correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easiest way to stop their behavior is to tell the EU to go fuck themselves

    25. Re:Correct by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If you're going to fine a behavior, then you need to exactly define what behavior will cause the fine.

      They do. "Your current behaviour will lead to a fine."

      either you need to state exactly under what situations and for how long you can collect personal info, or you need to prohibit the practice (and credit card payments) entirely. You can't just say "don't be evil" and expect companies to be able to comply.

      This is an antitrust case and not a personal data case.

      In both situations nonetheless the law is simple and can be paraphrased as "Don't abuse a monopoly position" and "Don't fuck over consumers" respectively.

      which makes it extremely difficult for companies to come into and remain in compliance with EU anti-trust laws

      Bullshit. Millions of companies across the EU are successfully complying with those laws. Maybe Google should prioritise compliance with the law ahead of corporate growth and profits.

  5. so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by swschrad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    honestly, this is not a cost of doing business. block access to EU countries. see what happens.

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    1. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      honestly, this is not a cost of doing business. block access to EU countries. see what happens.

      To the EU: Let them eat AltaVista!

    2. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by freax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here in Europe we'd replace Google almost instantly with our own technologies and/or we'd buy it from China.

      We would be very happy if Google would leave our market. It would bring a lot of employment, it would give us back our own advertising market, it would give us back our privacy and politicians would regain control over their local propaganda channels and media.

      Yes, yes please Google. Leave.

    3. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using Firefox, qwant.com, protonmail.com. What happens? Privacy happens.

    4. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the EU was capable of replacing google with homegrown options, it would have. The only thing google leaving would do for the EU is allow less effective alternatives have actual market share.

    5. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't want them to leave either. It's very lucrative for Eu to keep fining google.

    6. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Or, you know, instead of pissing away billions of Euros if income from the EU market out of spite, just comply with the fucking law.

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    7. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call B.S. Nobody is forcing anybody to use Google. The product is superior and cost efficient for the consumer.

    8. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If google is gone, initially it will be pain. BUT then a lot of alternatives will appear and competition will be restored. It is not like EU has lack of technical skill. And once those alternatives are established they might threaten Google in other geographical markets.

    9. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Here in Europe we'd replace Google almost instantly with our own technologies and/or we'd buy it from China.

      We would be very happy if Google would leave our market. It would bring a lot of employment, it would give us back our own advertising market, it would give us back our privacy and politicians would regain control over their local propaganda channels and media.

      Yes, yes please Google. Leave.

      Oh, Europeans prefer China search engines, instead?

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    10. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i dont think you realize that the EU's goal here is making money, not making Google change per se.

    11. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot block access to Google. You can however stop them from selling services.

    12. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      They don't want them to leave either. It's very lucrative for Eu to keep fining google.

      Really? The budget of the EU in 2019 is 164 billion USD, the total GDP of the EU was 23 trillion dollars in 2019. Whatever they are fining Google is pocket change to the member states.

    13. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the EU was capable of replacing google with homegrown options, it would have. The only thing google leaving would do for the EU is allow less effective alternatives have actual market share.

      My, we're so full of ourselves, aren't we? While the reality is that there is no secret sauce in Google that can be made only in USA or anything like that. People use google because it's the default and because it's what they're familiar with, not because of any kind of technical superiority. If you replaced Google's backend with Bing or whatever (while keeping Google's look and feel) 99% of people wouldn't even notice.

    14. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      If the EU was capable of replacing google with homegrown options, it would have. The only thing google leaving would do for the EU is allow less effective alternatives have actual market share.

      Google is what it is because it managed to take advantage of a particularly fortuitous situation in the internet/tech market during the 1990s to establish a monopoly that they aggressively defend because that monopoly position is a lot easier to lose than it would be to claw back. If Google went off to California to sulk they would be writing off their most profitable market after the US. Google's profits in 2018 were 136 billion dollars world wide if they were to go off to California to sulk they'd be writing off 40 billion dollars worth of revenues. If you think that is going to happen you are delusional and if you think it would take local competitors more than six months to fill that gap you are even more delusional. As for thinking that anybody who isn't American is somehow physically unable to come up with an effective alternative to Google is arrogant to the point of stupidity. I sincerely hope people at Google are the same species of arrogant exceptionalist as you are because that makes taking them down a few pegs that much easier.

    15. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      honestly, this is not a cost of doing business. block access to EU countries. see what happens.

      You think a $2.7 billion fine for doing something illegal is *not* a cost of doing business is a market of a predominantly well off 1/10th of the human race? You're delusional if you think Google would even consider pulling out of the EU over chump change. Google earns that kind of money each month in Europe. Hell Google happily wrote off the $5 billion fine in one go last time without even spreading it over accounting quarters and while their EPS took a hit that quarter the result was still a massive profit.

    16. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution to this problem is to triple the fine each day for subsequent offenses. You will see how quickly the mighty are laid low by exponential growth.

    17. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol - buy it from China. In the privacy centric EU? lololololol

      All big tech companies should pull out from the EU. All major software should rescind their licenses immediately. Major sites/tech companies should block EU countries wholesale.

      See how much they like it then

    18. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a matter of preference, it is a matter of not caring.
      US is only "the good guys" from the US perspective.
      For everyone else you just trade one spyware for another.
      But it is more likely that European search engines will be used.
      Or even a US search engine that isn't Google.

    19. Re:so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh, Europeans prefer China search engines, instead?"

      Nope. Thanks for matching the caricature of the ignorant full-of-himself Trump-like American.

      The Europeans prefer https://www.qwant.com/ "The search engine that respects your privacy."

      The Europeans use https://tutanota.com/ "Tutanota is the world's most secure email service, easy to use and private by design."

      The Europeans use https://tresorit.com/ for cloud storage "Tresorit's automatic, built-in end-to-end encryption safeguards confidential documents from unauthorized access and guarantees that only you have access to them."

      The Europeans use https://soundcloud.com/ for music "SoundCloud lets people discover and enjoy the greatest selection of music from the most diverse creator community on earth. "

      The Europeans use https://www.ovh.com/ for their cloud applications, "A global hyper-scale cloud provider"

      The Europeans phone with https://www.fairphone.com/en/ "We’ve created the world’s first ethical, modular smartphone. "

      etc.

    20. Re: so just bail on EU countries, then, Google by DeVilla · · Score: 0

      Well, if the budget is 164 billion, and if this mystery fine that's coming is at least 1 billion, then Google single handedly covers for 5% of that.

  6. EU cant compete by Ryanrule · · Score: 0

    Uk will be even worse.

    1. Re:EU cant compete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody can compete with the first mover in a single global market that naturally produces monopolies. It is very much a winner takes all industry.
      The EU is still being friendly. They could have gone the way of China and India to break the US hold on the internet. But they did not. Not yet anyway. They may if the balkanization of the internet continues and everyone else is trying to grab a piece of it.

    2. Re:EU cant compete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is any of this a monopoly. The last time I checked, ANYBODY can create their own search engine or competing software. EU companies are just too lazy or cheap to try to compete.

    3. Re:EU cant compete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny thing is, Google and Facebook are actually late-comers to the market and took it over because they provide the best service. The second there's a better search engine, people will move. Teens and North Americans are leaving Facebook. That's like saying break-up coke because people choose to buy it a lot. As long as there's pepsi and RC Cola on the shelf, I'm good with the better product having a larger market share.

    4. Re:EU cant compete by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Nobody can compete with the first mover in a single global market that naturally produces monopolies. It is very much a winner takes all industry.
      The EU is still being friendly. They could have gone the way of China and India to break the US hold on the internet. But they did not. Not yet anyway. They may if the balkanization of the internet continues and everyone else is trying to grab a piece of it.

      Those guys "broke the hold" for no respectable reasons. They want to contain their populations at whim.

      I see the usual disasterbators with US derangement syndrome and trolls are out in full force today. How much are you paid to front this silly post?

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  7. Fucking EUdiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google *DOES NOT DOMINATE* anything.
    Google *IS NOT A MONOPOLY*.

    Here's the thing.

    Google's positioning is controlled by *GASP* the people. The people that use Google's services control where Google ranks in all of it's offerings.

    If the *PEOPLE* don't want Google to rank high, they'll stop using Google's services.

    Once people stop using them, advertisers will fall away as well.

    So really, EU fucking EUdiots, it's EUr own people (EUropeans) that are telling you, excplicitly, to leave Google the fuck alone.
    Get it through your thick fucking skulls.
    If your people want to use Google, stop fucking with Google.

    1. Re: Fucking EUdiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has unfairly favored its own services by forcing smartphone makers to pre-install Google apps Chrome and Search in a bundle with its app store, Play. They also violated competition rules by paying phone makers to exclusively pre-install Google search on their devices and preventing them from selling phones that run other modified, or âoeforked,â versions of Android.

  8. Addicted to fines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to defend Google, but the EU is addicted to the money Google and Facebook has and are *inventing* new ways to take that money from them.

    Google and Facebook can simply stop letting users in those countries connect to their systems and just not pay the fines. That would put an end to this before it gets worse by spreading to fining other companies that can't handle billions in losses. So far it is contained to Google and Facebook but could easily spread.

    1. Re: Addicted to fines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bloated bureaucracy of Europe's central planning means it cannot compete with more agile nations. Their solution is to litigate and fine rather than lower the barriers for business. The lack of innovation and hard work in modern Europe is enough to make anyone weep.

  9. taxes, taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The likes of Google have avoided taxes worldwide. The EU are simply using another way to collect. Other countries could learn here.

  10. Is Google Search really a monopoly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there no other similar search websites?
    & if there are, then how Google Search is a monopoly?
    & if not monopoly, on what legal basis really, it could be treated as such?

    1. Re: Is Google Search really a monopoly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has unfairly favored its own services by forcing smartphone makers to pre-install Google apps Chrome and Search in a bundle with its app store, Play. It also violated competition rules by paying phone makers to exclusively pre-install Google search on their devices and preventing them from selling phones that run other modified, or forked versions of Android.

  11. Payment for failed policies by CodeInspired · · Score: 2

    This is just another example of the EU pretending to care when they don't have enough money to fund their ridiculous social policies. Whenever they need cash, just make up some random BS and take the money from some wealthy corporation. It's a double win for the politicians. They get to be the good guys fighting against evil capitalism and simultaneously paying for their wealth re-distribution policies that have no chance at actually succeeding on their own.

    1. Re:Payment for failed policies by Daemonik · · Score: 2

      No, this has nothing to do with social policies, this is an example of countries that are starved of their tax base by companies that don't want to pay their share of the tax burden getting creative with avoiding the tax man. It's the equivalent of a county sheriff in the US putting up speed traps and then seizing any cash you have on you.

      Perhaps if Google hadn't been so aggressive making Dutch Sandwiches they wouldn't be facing down all these pissed off politicians.

    2. Re:Payment for failed policies by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      How do you come to the retarded idea that a fine is used in a social policy project?
      All social things like unemployment insurance, pension insurance, health insurance are founded by income of the people insured. The state or any extra money the state might make by fines is not involved at all, idiot.

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  12. Well makes sense the EU by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1, Troll

    has to fund itself somehow.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

  13. Are they even pretending any more? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Europe is already making a mint from unfair trade agreements with us. They pocket a cool $150 billion every single year. Just to be clear, remember Bernie's "free college" program that was widely mocked as unaffordable? That was $60 billion a year. Trump's wall? $25 billion one-time. 150 big ones still isn't enough for them. Even with all this fat cash, they can't find enough money in the cupboard to pay for their fair share of NATO. Why are we even in NATO any more? It should have thrown itself a victory party after the Soviet Union fell and been disbanded. Most members can't fight an invading girl scout troop successfully, much less make a meaningful contribution to collective defense. How about contributing instead of taking? From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, isn't that the quintessential European sentiment?

    What I heard was, we pay for their shit and in return we get compliance with our wishes. This hasn't been true for decades if it was ever true at all. Instead, we get overtly hostile acts like this. And before anyone starts, this didn't begin with Trump. It goes back a long way.

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    1. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by Knightman · · Score: 4, Informative

      The trade deficit between the USA and EU has never been $150 billion, the largest it ever was in 2015 when the balance was $122 billion.
        And it isn't strange for US to import from the EU since the stuff imported are more expensive, poorer quality or unavailable in the US.

      Members of NATO do pay to NATO based on their GNI but some members hasn't built up their military to the levels stipulated in the charter. The NATO members in Europe have been increasing their spending on the military since 2014. The US defense contribution to Europe amounts only to about 5% of their total NATO budget, for 2019 that amounts to $6.5 billion compared to $239 billion spent by the European members.

      And your quip about "Why are we even in NATO any more?" does indicate you don't understand the role it plays in the world today.

      Also, what you heard doesn't necessarily have any connection to what really happens.

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    2. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with those $150 billion is that the US isn't selling anything worth buying and everyone else already has a surplus of dollars.

    3. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Europe is already making a mint from unfair trade agreements with us.

      The EU and US have no trade agreement, there was one in the works but the Trump administration made torpedoing it one of the first official acts of their administration.

    4. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Wow. Do you get all your talking points from Trump rallies, or do you reserve bullshit only for EU stories?

    5. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Europeans have been ruthlessly free riding off of American payments for a long time.

      The role NATO plays in the world today? It doesn't play any role. Its role was to defeat the Soviet Union, and it did that 30 years ago. Its role today is apparently to provide free security to wealthy first world nations that could easily pay for it themselves.

      We Americans are hurting bad, and we need to pull back from providing for other countries and take care of our own people. Europeans despise us; they demand we get our troops off their soil. Every American military base in Europe has ugly hate spraypainted all over its environs. When's the last time you heard of a pro-American military rally in Europe? Never, of course. When's the last time they had a "hate America" rally? Yesterday?

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    6. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You neither engaged with my ideas nor refuted anything I said. Is thegarbz account a script that auto-posts?

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    7. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is always cute listening to an American (usually republican) whining about how you stay in NATO and Europe for ours sake.

      If you truly want to leave, then leave. Of course, don't be surprised when you lose all the influence that you've come all too accustomed to as you pull out. You know, stuff like all that nice army equipment we deliberately buy from the US as they are our allies. No alliance, might as well build it ourselves. Stuff like that.

    8. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You neither engaged with my ideas

      I don't think anyone is "engaged with your ideas".

      nor refuted anything I said

      I know, but then I have already determined you're like an anti-vaxxer. Facts won't sway you, that is clear from the absurd figures in your post. That and I posted at like 2am and was on the way to bed.

      Is thegarbz account a script that auto-posts?

      Yes. I am an advanced Google-AI experiment designed specifically to disagree with you. I do however feel I may need to branch out. With your posts turning the Fox and Friends talking points up to 11 it would seem me disagreeing with you would be redundant and no one would notice my brilliance anymore. I have been replaced by people. PEOPLE!

    9. Re:Are they even pretending any more? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      For an actual person you seem to have few ideas, don't make arguments, and consist entirely of personal attacks. I don't think you could pass a Turing test.

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  14. What about Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is worse with its closed anticompetitive os.

  15. Re:pgmrdlm is a traitor's dick cozy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your faggot brain is Trump's dick cozy.

  16. Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love it. If you canâ(TM)t tax them, fine them!

  17. More EU tax by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    on productive and innovative brands.
    What EU nations can't control they tax.

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    1. Re:More EU tax by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What EU nations can't control they tax.

      What a curious idea that sovereign, democratic governments should be in control rather than corporations.

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    2. Re: More EU tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Googleâ(TM)s has unfairly favored its own services by forcing smartphone makers to pre-install Google apps Chrome and Search in a bundle with its app store, Play. It also violated competition rules by paying phone makers to exclusively pre-install Google search on their devices and preventing them from selling phones that run other modified, or forked versions of Android.

      I donâ(TM)t see how opening up the market to competiion is a bad thing.

  18. I'm emotionally loving Google getting slapped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but this strikes me as SO much EU overreaching.

    I'm not understanding the who in the EU is behind the fines. As in actually the people. Typically there's a ring leader and followers.

    I'm too lazy to DDG the answer, but would welcome a NEUTRAL but informed EU citizen to educate us.

  19. That ain't English Ivan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That ain't English Ivan.

  20. Explain how you think they made up crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just more trolling from you WindTroll.

  21. Much as I detest Google... by Chas · · Score: 1

    I detest the Fourth Reich^H^H^H^the EU even more.

    So, no matter who "wins" in this, I hate them both.

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  22. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep em' coming boys. Fine them to hell and back, and Facebook too.

  23. Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amusing how people refuse to read the source and jump to conclusions:
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    The Commission at the time complained about three things: that Google was forcing the third-party websites not to source search ads from competitors; that it required them to reserve the most prominent spots in its search results pages for Google ads; and that Google required them to seek its approval every time they wanted to change the display of competing search ads.

    Google has since 2016 phased out such contractual terms in order to address the Commission’s concerns, though that would not change the fact that—per the Commission’s allegations—it was breaking EU antitrust law for a decade.
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    It makes sense.

  24. EU is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is providing a service with Adsense for search. People are using it to earn money by showing google ads beside their own content. WTF is wrong with EU? How is google supposed to show other ads? Who will pay me the website owner for showing these other ads? Also google has a commercial search for websites without ads.

  25. I see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that the EU budget is running a bit thin. Time to fine a big tech company!