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Stallman Suggests Install Fest 'Deals With Devil' Include Actual Man Dressed As Devil (gnu.org)

This weekend's annual LibrePlanet conference, hosted by the Free Software Foundation, prompted a new essay about "install fests" from Richard Stallman: Install fests invite users to bring their computers so that experts can install GNU/Linux on them... The problem is that most computers can't run with a completely free GNU/Linux distro. They contain peripherals, or coprocessors, that won't operate unless the installed system contains some nonfree drivers or firmware... This presents the install fest with a dilemma. If it upholds the ideals of freedom, by installing only free software from 100%-free distros, partly-secret machines won't become entirely functional and the users that bring them will go away disappointed. However, if the install fest installs nonfree distros and nonfree software which make machines entirely function, it will fail to teach users to say no for freedom's sake. They may learn to like GNU/Linux, but they won't learn what the free software movement stands for.... In effect, the install fest makes the deal with the devil, on the user's behalf, behind a curtain so the user doesn't recognize that it is one.

I propose that the install fest show users exactly what deal they are making. Let them talk with the devil individually, learn the deal's bad implications, then make a deal -- or refuse! As always, I call on the install fest itself to install only free software, taking a strict stance. In this way it can set a clear moral example of rejecting nonfree software. My new idea is that the install fest could allow the devil to hang around, off in a corner of the hall, or the next room. (Actually, a human being wearing a sign saying "The Devil," and maybe a toy mask or horns.) The devil would offer to install nonfree drivers in the user's machine to make more parts of the computer function, explaining to the user that the cost of this is using a nonfree (unjust) program... Those users that get nonfree drivers would see what their moral cost is, and that there are people in the community who refuse to pay that cost.

They would have the chance to reflect afterwards on the situation that their flawed computers have put them in, and about how to change that situation, in the small and in the large.

Stallman adds that the Free Software Foundation itself would never let a devil near its events. "But given the fact that most install fests quietly play the role of the devil, I think that an explicit devil would be less bad.

"It would convert the install-fest dilemma from a debilitating contradiction into a teaching experience."

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  1. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These people are insane.

    1. Re: Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Twenty years ago I sat close to RMS for a dinner, the day after I resigned from my local LUG and left this nonsense behind me. I saw this man literally bang his head against a wall because we had t-shirts with tux on them and he thought this was proving we were not fighting for free software.
      This man is insane and his followers are not better than him.

  2. Or ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, if the install fest installs nonfree distros and nonfree software which make machines entirely function, it will fail to teach users to say no for freedom's sake. They may learn to like GNU/Linux, but they won't learn what the free software movement stands for.... In effect, the install fest makes the deal with the devil, on the user's behalf, behind a curtain so the user doesn't recognize that it is one.

    Perhaps, it can demonstrate that compromise and practicality are sometimes necessary in a functioning society and not just a "deal with the devil". Rigidity to an ideology can often be more destructive and counter-productive over the long run. Progress comes from change not stasis.

    Stallman adds that the Free Software Foundation itself would never let a devil near its events.

    The devil is often in the details; I'm sure some will always be nearby.

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    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    1. Re:Or ... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I was gonna say how it’s funny RMS thinks this would lead people to think the device manufacturers are the problem - when in reality all it would do is make most people think Linux is the problem and is an inferior platform.

      “It works on Windows, it works on Mac - shouldn’t it just work on Linux?”

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    2. Re:Or ... by slack_justyb · · Score: 2

      Perhaps, it can demonstrate that compromise and practicality are sometimes necessary in a functioning society

      RMS is the extreme end in FOSS and pretty much you can always attribute anything, and from the eight or so times I've been to one of his talks, /everything he says as being the furthest end of the spectrum.

      Rigidity to an ideology can often be more destructive and counter-productive over the long run

      RMS is definitely one of those folks you take in small doses. He's got a good point in general that is worth thinking about. The cross section between everyday life and computers is pretty big and gets bigger by the day. For example, cars are becoming more and more computerized. Imagine how liberating it would be if the firmware of your car was open source? You'd have a lot less people getting on Slashdot being cantankerous about these fancy-pants cars they can't repair... However, I get that we're always going to have some close and that it's one of those "struggle for the ages" kind of thing where we're just always going to have to work towards "full libre" systems for life. But of course, that gets lost listening to RMS who's pretty much, "It won't happen till we burn every close system to the ground."

      Progress comes from change not stasis

      Yeah. And the majority of us understand that. I think we ought to continue to strive to completely open systems, but I get that we're not getting there overnight.

    3. Re:Or ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We need people like Stallman to stick to their ideology rigidly, even if the rest of us don't. His suggestion is a good one - it informs people but doesn't stop if they want to go ahead anyway.

      Everyone blindly clicks through EULAs without reading them. A literal devil on site to discuss their contents sounds like a great way to get people to take notice.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  3. Just "Linux" by queBurro · · Score: 2

    I don't drive a Pirelli/Ford, it's just "Linux".

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    sag
  4. To bad the Honor System doesn't work. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The devil would offer to install nonfree drivers in the user's machine to make more parts of the computer function, explaining to the user that the cost of this is using a nonfree (unjust) program... Those users that get nonfree drivers would see what their moral cost is, and that there are people in the community who refuse to pay that cost.

    Implying that it's unjust and/or immoral for one's work to have tangible value and for one to make money from it. I know that's not what he means by "freedom", but, unfortunately, our society doesn't function on the Honor System.

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    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  5. I think Stallman got it right by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While stallman has some rivid values I don't think he's disagreeing with you. He's just wanting the process to call attention to the philosophy more and the consequences of choices in our real world. He's being both realistic and educational by proposing the cute idea of the personified Devil

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    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
  6. "the first step towards freedom" --FSF by tepples · · Score: 2

    Indeed, the lead section of FSF's directory of free software for Windows takes a pragmatic approach by replacing pieces of the Windows user space with free software one at a time in order to make the transition to X11/Linux less abrupt.

    Here is a list of popular free software applications that run on Microsoft Windows — along with the proprietary applications they replace. If you are still a Windows user, you can take a first step towards free software by installing these applications.

    [Spiel about freedom, not price, the opportunity to others to fix free software that you use, and Windows being an example of user subjugation]

    Using free software on Microsoft Windows (or any nonfree operating system) is the first step towards freedom, but it does not get you all the way there. You're still under Microsoft's power as long as you use Windows.

    However, on this page we're concerned with the first step.

  7. I wonder what life would be without RMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder what life would be without RMS and GNU, especially GCC. I would really love to be paying $500 per machine for a compiler, because I believe free stuff is junk. I happily pay MS for Windows licenses, because I know I'm getting a solid product made by the top software company in the world.

    Linux is an OS for people too down and out to realize how good commercial software is. Nobody in their right mind would use something that does not need activation and license audits to ensure compliance. /sarcasm

    Yes, RMS is a pill... but without him, we likely would be paying by the hour for a cable set-top box to send "E-mails" with a "stamp fee" from our CompuServe accounts.

    1. Re: I wonder what life would be without RMS by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      I would not be so certain of this. Richard's consistent advocacy, and his very correct insights about how companies would abuse software licenses and patents, helped set the stage for the open source world. Critical components like gcc paved the way for Linux, and are critical to free software and open source computing today. The BSD licenses wwere crippled by each being subtly distinct and being impossible to follow them all.

  8. Re:It is not wrong... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to help put food on the table of someone who writes software. Free software will always be mediocre and decades behind commercial solutions. Yes, ostentatiously [sic] the word free doesn't necessarily mean no cost, according to RMS, but let's get real, if there is no hindrance to simply copying it, then there is no motivation to pay for more than the cost of the copy. Unfortunately, copying 1s and 0s hardly covers creating them in the first place, and if there is no motivation to create them, then the choices will be mostly limited to hobbyist and hardware manufacturer written software.

    And yet people do make a living writing free software. In many cases quite a comfortable one.

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    If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
  9. Re:It is not wrong... by Z80a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's weirder than that.
    Any sort of complex and fun to write code will always be superior on the open source version, ask things like ffmpeg and blender, or apache.
    Now when its boring code like GUIs, well, then people just don't want to touch that and halfass the GUI, when they even bother in doing one (see ffmpeg or blender).

  10. Re:Better solution than install fest: Vest them! by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What makes you think it's a niche OS?

    It's pretty much everywhere but the desktop. The problem is primarily one of people not believing the inexpensive to free option is actually the better option. That and years of FUD and dirty deals from MS that actually forbid major sellers of consumer desktop and laptop systems from pre-installing Linux making it a less familiar option.

  11. Re:It is not wrong... by sjames · · Score: 2

    So how do you explain the Linux desktop machine I am using to reply to you. The one with the browser that's so far beyond MS's offering that they cried 'uncle' and decided to use a re-skinned version of it rather than their own product? The one with an office suite that can read MS Office documents better than MS Office?

    How do you explain the total failure of Windows on cell phones and it's status as an also ran at best on tablets while a fair portion of them use a modified Linux kernel (the rest use a modified BSD kernel)?

    Some of the Free software also runs on Windows. It is gaining in popularity even there. Even over software MS gives away with Windows.

    Ultimately, it may be necessary to find a way to get more people to pay for Free software, but your characterization of it's current state is way off.

  12. Re:RMS should think more carefully. by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    Oh gee, what an amazing insight you have there. The biggest computer nerd on the planet lacks some social skills. News at 11!

    And next you'll be trumpeting your brilliant eureka moment about how none of the jocks care.