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Oracle Tells Supreme Court Google Copyright Breach Knocked It Out Of Smartphone Market (crn.com)
Joseph Tsidulko, writing for CRN: Oracle asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday to not review an appellate court's decision finding Google violated Oracle's copyright of the Java platform when building the Android mobile operating system. In that opposition brief, Oracle's attorneys said Google's copyright violation shut Oracle, the Java platform owner, out of the emerging smartphone market, causing incalculable harm to its business. The complex case pitting two Silicon Valley giants against each other has raged on since 2010, and already saw many twists in turns before a circuit court last year reversed a jury decision in favor of Oracle. That prompted Google's appeal to the nation's highest court. Oracle notes Google had previously asked for a writ of certiorari -- the legal term for review by the high court -- in 2015 without success in an earlier phase of the case, and the company argues nothing has changed in the time since.
Oracle believes Google destroyed its hopes of competing as a smartphone platform developer with the Java platform, which enables development and execution of software written in Java, including through APIs that access a vast software library. The lawsuit alleged Google copied those APIs without a proper license. Java was developed at Sun Microsystems, which Oracle acquired in 2010. "Google's theory is that, having invested all those resources to create a program popular with platform developers and app programmers alike, Oracle should be required to let a competitor copy its code so that it can coopt the fan base to create its own best-selling sequel," Oracle's brief states.
Oracle believes Google destroyed its hopes of competing as a smartphone platform developer with the Java platform, which enables development and execution of software written in Java, including through APIs that access a vast software library. The lawsuit alleged Google copied those APIs without a proper license. Java was developed at Sun Microsystems, which Oracle acquired in 2010. "Google's theory is that, having invested all those resources to create a program popular with platform developers and app programmers alike, Oracle should be required to let a competitor copy its code so that it can coopt the fan base to create its own best-selling sequel," Oracle's brief states.
Who do I root for?
Hopefully this will be a very long, messy, and expensive legal battle for both companies.
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See. No java here.
I guess they hope nobody in that court will know that Oracle can just make it's own Linux/Android based smartphone and get into the market. Or they could make their own OS because they are soooo much better. They should hire JetBrains to do their sequel because Kotlin is a way better language than Java, and runs on the same JVM.
I think Google would have been a better steward of the Java language and runtime.
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You provide a good product/service. People buy it.
That's how it works.
Precedence... Google might look to a certain OS MS-DOS that copied the API of CP/M.
Of course, I'd be remiss if I didn't admit that I prefer to be abused by Google to being abused by Oracle. So I might be biased.
I'd like a list of the # of entity's that have actually paid Oracle a license fee for a single Java API. I betting the number approaches ZERO.
Does it come with $100 a month voicemail contract, etc etc?
So, basically Oracle's argument here is that there can only be one Java "based" smartphone OS? Interesting...
A smartphone developed by Oracle?
I've been fortunate enough never to have crossed paths with Oracle's infamous licensing terms, but I could picture it now:
Every time you used your phone for any purpose whatsoever, you'd have to pay a fee to Oracle.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
Oracle believes Google destroyed its hopes of competing as a smartphone platform developer with the Java platform,
The only ones who destroyed their hopes of making a phone people would buy was Oracle. They have done a great job of getting their name out there in the market and setting expectations. The problem of course is that their name and those expectations are not well regarded. So if I were in the market for a phone and went into the store and saw an Oracle one I would definitely pass it up. But then again I was never of the normal, so maybe its just me.
Google can delist the customers of Oracle from the search engine as well as use other tactics to devalue Oracle's stock price. Once Oracle is cheap enough, Google can simply buy majority shares and dismiss the lawsuit. Oracle does not have similar tactics at its disposal.
So it's devolved to the level where Oracle is little more than a gigantic patent troll so Larry can have a bigger sailboat. F#ck them all, Larry, Oracle and that spyware company, Google..
That would be glorious - Oracle phone running Java Applet with MS Clippy.
Oracle was in the smartphone market?!? When the heck was that?
Oracle's argument is: I couldn't go to the party because Google was already there wearing the dress I wanted to wear?
to think that they could be a major player in the smartphone market.
As any technical person who isn't some kind of gaslighting piece of shit knows.
Oh, I'm sure they'll figure out a "calculation" for the judgement.
Shoulda
Oracle is shit, and their java is a piece of garbage.
They want my sympathy - they need to create a product I'd want to use.
We should make Google a Thank You card for keeping Oracle out of the Smartphone market.
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Ah yes, oracle, the company that destroyed multiple successful oss project is the true oss protecot. Fuck off larry...
I wrote Blackberry Apps. They were all java. How come Oracle didn't sue them? Ohh....there's no fame, glory and money to be won. Gotta take on the big fish.
You have it reversed. With the new standard tht APIs are copyrighted, it will kill open source software.
Your "Traitor's word salad" is full of moldy croutons you uneducated Republican faggot. The Republicans have killed the middle class INTENTIONALLY you boob.
Now they've got you whining like Glenn Beck lol! You wouldn't know a real problem if its extra chromosomes were already in your brain since birth, retard GOP.
Oracle has caused a lot of harm to java with this litigation, with its bad handling of security issues and its general bad governance. The fact that Google has made so much effort to use java in android is a testimony to the qualities of this language.
'nuff said.
When Google came on board with Dalvick, Sun was having a grand time putting JAVA in the browser and on the server. Those wanting to put it into embedded devices, it's original intent, were ignored by Sun Microsystems. As HP about that since they wanted to license JAVA for use in their printers but Sun would not address their requests for licensing. HP had to do a clean-room implementation which they called Chai or something like that( as in the tea ). No doubt there were many others since we all know HP is no small printer manufacturer and landing them would have been a large deal.
But somehow we are to expect, or the judges are, that it was all Google's fault? Java on mobile phones, back when phones were not very smart, was a mess with many different layers of API's to follow. I forget what they called that mobile version of JAVA but each phone vendor had different application stores and different application requirements.
Apple showed that the market for downloading applications on mobile devices was viable again( remember Palm did it years before ) and Google just followed their lead. Had the phone vendors considered their Sun JAVA mobile API's sufficient they could have competed but they were stuck with what Sun provided and it was not really so good for the rich smartphone OS which was becoming the norm.
Oracle purchased Sun thinking they'd leverage JAVA everywhere but Sun left the mobile market and focused on the server side and browser...
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
No seriously, that might as well be the excuse from Oracle. They are pretty much saying "since Google used this language/API that we wanted to patent troll AFTER they forked it and already had Android all rolling, we pretty much can't be on that market, because the way we WOULD be on that market was to do nothing more than demand royalties from Google by using this technology that we simply purchased without actually thinking through that it was OPEN SOURCE BEFORE".
I could say this is funny. But it is actually way more than that.
We all remember those beautiful sleek end-user friendly and exciting products from Oracle, before evil Google came along and destroyed de poor liddle Oracle and their beautiful consumer products lineup.
Sooo mean, sooo sad.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
and taking "back" control of the mobile platform.
Maybe it would have had to rebrand it. e.g. Orafix, Mava (mobile java),..., what have you.
Nothing stopped Oracle from pulling a CyanogenMod move, but backed by Oracle's money.
Nothing except lack of willpower, imagination, and skill.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
Before Apple turned "smart" into "we have an app store", Java was already the only player in the smart phone market. Back then they were called "feature phones" for some reason, but basically they supported Java apps, only. Sun/Oracle had their chance. Just like Microsoft, with their PDA phones. Sore losers, the lot of them. Not that I like the winners, either: fuck 'em all.
I'd be more inclined to buy a phone branded Etch-A-Sketch than Oracle.
Was Oracle going to come out with a smartphone based on the Solaris operating system? Because they bought that, too, when they took over Sun Microsystems. Java wan't theirs until they acquired it in the bundle. Based on what they have done with Java, they were just acquiring the right to sue.
Funny thing is, J2ME was pretty big business pre-iOS and Android. Probably had the largest market share of any mobile platform, at least up there with native Symbian apps. Oracle did basically nothing with it, as they bought Sun primarily for enterprise Java and server hardware. Then, when Android blew up, Oracle finally realized they could make some money off of a mobile Java platform, but it was too late. They had done nothing with J2ME and it was so far behind anything else as a platform the only way they could monetize was to sue.
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Oracle had such overwhelming success with SPARC chips, how about a SPARC T4 in a smartphone? It could also act as a handwarmer. Let's see Apple top that!
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Fuck over WINE and emulators to PWN THE LIBS much?
No one stops Oracle to take Android (or would they need to pay a license fee?) and sell their own Android device.
However if they put their Oracle database on it, I would ski :P
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Java was originally Write Once Run Many - WORM. Tell me why java broke and things like AWT and SWING ceased to work once the Android platform was introduced?
One thing that Oracle is good at is whining about who has actually used their tech to good use when they can't. I still wonder why Oracle is still around?
Googleâ(TM)s reckless vandalism has to stop. It is unbelieveable US regulators have let Google Amazon Facebook and others perpetually flaunt laws, seems like EU is the only entity globally that holds them to account, if only in a small way.
With the new standard tht APIs are copyrighted
Minor correction, can be copyrighted. Not every API that comes into existence automatically becomes copyrighted unless the author says so and even then if they only enforce it.
I don't agree with the idea that APIs can be copyrighted, but, what I do and don't agree to means nothing in the legal system. That said, I don't see this as something that kills open source software. Not giving something a legal definition leaves it in murky waters. With APIs being something that can be copyrighted, it's easy for projects to require the APIs be copyleft/GPL/BSD/etc. Copyrighted APIs become an issue for people who've done projects with APIs with less than clear legal language, which was the case since APIs were pretty much just assumed to public domain/just how things work. And trust me I would love to see APIs having that legal distinction, but they don't and you work with the reality your handed.
A lot of the modern APIs in major use today are already open sourced and apply either a copyleft/GPL/BSD requirement to the licensing of the API. Hell, even Java today is GPL API via the OpenJDK. And OpenJDK's special exception that was irrevocably granted by Sun before they gave up Java, is how Google to this day keeps Android alive. Google was once upon a time not down with going GPL and wanted to use Apache License. Which you cannot convert simply relicense a GPL project to Apache License project, which was the entire argument that Oracle made in court against Google.
I don't like the notion of copyrighted APIs anymore than the next person, but I do see that APIs being copyrighted isn't the death knell for future projects. But I totally see it as a submarine issue for projects from the past. Much like how patent submarines were once used before a change in the patent law.
Google should just buy Java from Oracle and take it off their backs. Everyone would be happier that way. Oracle has buyer remorse anyways.
Google has had success with it on Android so just pay them to stop bothering you and reopen Java to the world.
Nice rhetoric from google! How much does they pay for spreading FALSE things on Developers.Slashdot.Org today?
And I say that as an atheist. Oracle is the proverbial Evil Inc. that only cares about fucking its customers over.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Thank you for providing the dictionary for detecting leftism bots.
Minor correction, can be copyrighted. Not every API that comes into existence automatically becomes copyrighted unless the author says so and even then if they only enforce it.
Your correction is incorrect, at least in the United States. Creative works are automatically protected by copyright from the time they are created; no additional action by the author is necessary. Unlike trademarks, copyright (as well as patent) protection is not lost for failure to actively defend it.
More lies from paid google astro turfers. Sad day for Developers.Slashdot.Org that truth is buried by anti-freedom corporations and goverment censorship.
Minor correction, can be copyrighted. Not every API that comes into existence automatically becomes copyrighted unless the author says so and even then if they only enforce it.
Copyrights don't differentiate whether its an API, written work, music piece, etc. If it is copyrightable, it is automatic, until the creators opt-out.
If you value privacy and a smartphone market not being monopolized by a single player, root for Oracle.
Oracle is an evil, greedy, nasty company with an ugly PR history.
Google is an evil, greedy nasty company with a history of good PR.
Oracle makes money selling crappy products to trapped customers.
Google makes money surreptitiously strip-mining the privacy of its suckers, errrr, users.
If Google wins, they continue on their path of being an existential threat to privacy on a global scale.
If Oracle wins, there's a chance that Google's near-monopoly stranglehold on the smartphone market - and the privacy strip-mining on a global scale that enables - will be weakened. There's no way Oracle gets control of any market in any way like Google currently has.
Any transfer of money in any final settlement is irrelevant - it's a transfer of money from evil to evil.
Remember - Google is the one trying to help the authoritarian Chinese government subjugate the Chinese people. Google is orders of magnitude more evil and more dangerous than Oracle.
Oracle's crap software and their high pressure sales goons put them out of business.
Corporatism != Free Market
Instead of deciding to innovate, Oracle decided to sue. Lawsuits are always a good sign that a company is dying or dead and that bankruptcy proceedings will follow soon after. In this case, even if the Supreme Court somehow decides in Oracle's favor, it's unlikely the extra cash will do them any good.
Oracle hasn't innovated anything of note in a while. They look pretty dead already.
Android running on Java has always been kind of silly. Java is a dumb language. It's got 500 different ways to do the same thing when you go to do anything, but only one of those is the current "correct" way. And it doesn't help that Google likes to deprecate half of the Android API every major OS release. My Android Java code is littered with black lines in Android Studio. I don't have the time or patience to do it "the new way" because in 6 months the new way will also be deprecated. One time I even had Google deprecate an API within minutes after I had finished writing and testing code that used that API. Fortunately, Google rarely removes APIs - they just deprecate them. I gave up on writing clean Android code years ago. Java is a dumb language and encourages bad software to be written. Look no further than Android and Google's highly aggressive deprecation policies as proof of that statement.
There is no way to cede to the public domain apart from waiting for 75 years after the author dies, so there is no way to give those rights to the public domain. Anyone who does can have their stuff bought out and then the new owners reverse that decision, since there is no way to legally issue anything other than "I will not sue you for this", when the "I" has just changed.
Not even estoppel can stop it, that only stops it being past infringement and wilful, so any future copies and the lower non-wilful "damages" are limited by this, nothing else.
I wasn't aware they even tried to be part of this "smartphone market" thing.
So I would surmise the thing that held them back was themselves, not anyone else's doing. Though I frankly can't imagine anyone wanting an oracle phone. It'd charge you per CPU and require a service contract to function at all.
They took the 95 percent completed Harmony 5/6 libraries, reimplemented by the Apache Foundation and hundreds of paid and volunteer developers, and finished the remaining 5 percent or so after Sun open sourced Java. So this is even more questionable than Oracle is making it out because it was already 'second source software' before Scroogle ever got ahold of it.
The fact that they made a better hammer than the original hammer-maker is entirely down to Sun and Oracle's lack of vision. Or google's for that matter, since Android was bought, not developed in-house.
Suing Google for using Java for Android pretty much guarantees the death of Java!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I forget what they called that mobile version of JAVA
I believe it was, oddly enough, Java ME (Mobile Edition)
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This is what happens when you open the gates to socialists, marxists, and outright communists.
Decades of infiltration by collectivists has toppled the individualist, entrepreneurial culture of the United States.
They did the same damned thing to my company. I tell you, if it weren't for them and their Java rip-off, everybody would be making cell phones.
Do you have ESP?
Apple showed that the market for downloading applications on mobile devices was viable again
Quite the opposite. Apple didn't want to ship a SDK and have 3rd party developers write apps for the iPhone. They pushed for web apps only (and their own native ones of course). They did end up giving in and shipping a SDK. So it wasn't Apple showing that the market existed, the market was so overwhelming that Apple had to join in even as it held it's ears and claimed it wasn't important.
There were plenty of app stores and app platforms that pre-dated the iPhone that were doing just fine. Apple reluctantly joined in too.
Java on mobile phones, back when phones were not very smart, was a mess with many different layers of API's to follow. I forget what they called that mobile version of JAVA but each phone vendor had different application stores and different application requirements. Apple showed that the market for downloading applications on mobile devices was viable again( remember Palm did it years before ) and Google just followed their lead. Had the phone vendors considered their Sun JAVA mobile API's sufficient they could have competed but they were stuck with what Sun provided and it was not really so good for the rich smartphone OS which was becoming the norm.
J2ME (Java 2 Mobile/Micro Edition) was their primary mobile platform, and it was successfully deployed in may places. BlackBerry OS was built upon JME itself (before Java 1.0 got to Java 1.2 aka "Java 2").
Along those lines of Oracle's current claims, the future success of Java as a mobile platform/ecosystem was somehow stunted by Android OS... and not the continued failures and feature deficits of the underlying Java ME platform and their existing commercial mobile OSes. If I recall, the Java ME platform had such a lousy stench to it that Apple quickly dismissed its usage in creating iOS (so it was in the running but tripped on its own insufficiencies).
I agree, LoB, that Oracle's purchase of Sun (and thus Java) was not primarily for mobile ambitions because Sun quick the mobile market before talks began! Sun needed an exit strategy and Oracle came with open arms.
Your correction is incorrect, at least in the United States
You are correct on this. That is Trademark that requires legal defense and Copyright requires overt act to release to public domain.
That said, in the United States, I believe the majority of what I said still applies. Modern APIs are more explicit about the licensing requirements for the API and GPL et al convey an open agreement for the APIs. Additionally, Copyright in the US permits fair use as well. While I wouldn't want to attempt playing within that domain, new projects convey fair derivative use of APIs be it in explicit terms for non-standard licenses or in some of the more commons ones we've come to know. Additionally, I think people are more aware of APIs usage today than they once were.
Again, the biggest problem I see with copyrighted APIs is prior projects that implemented "fuzzy" in legal terms APIs. So that being said, I don't see copyrighted APIs as a hindrance for future open source projects. However, I will reaffirm that my preference here is APIs not being a copyrighted thing.
I forget what they called that mobile version of JAVA
I believe it was, oddly enough, Java ME (Mobile Edition)
It was Micro Edition (embedded) before it picked up the temporary marketing rebrand of Mobile Edition.
two words: Fuck Oracle.
nuff said.
thankfully you are not an astro turfer.. postsing the same thing to every comment your comapany disagrees with?
If Oracle had the vision at the time, Google using the same platform for app development would have helped them significantly.
It's been a tough week, and I needed this. An Oracle phone. A successful Oracle phone.
Thanks guys. ^_^
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cheap phone and it felt that way. My provider loaded a breakout clone on it. Really simple, just ball, 10x10 colored blocks and a paddle. Kind of thing that make the Atari 2600 a household name in the late 70s/early 80s.
It was dog slow. Unplayably so. I mean, I know it's a cheap phone and all, but come-on. It's a clone of Atari breakout.
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Sun was in financial trouble.
Oracle had to buy it out to stop their competition acquiring Java. All their corporate products are built using it or embed it.
Having to call their flagship product "Oracle Database, powered by Microsoft Java" would be bad for them.
for instance, how's it going to work putting an antenna on a SunServer and carrying it on the bus to talk to your significant other.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Nah, they'd let you use it as much as you want, but every year they'd come in an audit your usage and send you an invoice.
Their database licensing model is to let their customer install it on as many machines as they want, when ever they want, without asking for permission. They then send an invoice based on how many cpu cores you're running it on.
Kind of like a loan shark or a drug dealer.
An Oracle phone?
Good thing this wasn't ever a thing as, all consumers would be required to have a live-in Oracle support agent in their homes for supporting the software, and consumers would be charged an arm and a leg just to use the phone.
I believe they purchased Sun because they used Java for interacting with their Database, and the last thing they wanted was someone buying Sun and hitting them as they hit their customers. Once they had it they tried to do exactly what they thought others would have done had they got the asset. Had Sun been healthy I don't see Oracle being interested in it at all.
Minor correction, can be copyrighted. Not every API that comes into existence automatically becomes copyrighted unless the author says so and even then if they only enforce it.
Your correction is incorrect, at least in the United States. Creative works are automatically protected by copyright from the time they are created; no additional action by the author is necessary. Unlike trademarks, copyright (as well as patent) protection is not lost for failure to actively defend it.
Almost right. The SCOTUS, I think, just ruled that copyrights are not enforceable until the until the Gov't paperwork is completed. The long standing practice of assuming that everything created is copyrighted and immediately enforceable, has been shot to hell.
Almost right. The SCOTUS, I think, just ruled that copyrights are not enforceable until the until the Gov't paperwork is completed. The long standing practice of assuming that everything created is copyrighted and immediately enforceable, has been shot to hell.
Can you cite to the Supreme Court case? The Berne Convention says that works are automatically protected by copyright.
no, i am an concerned citizen. many other people I know are really very concerned about google trying to destroy the companies they dont like. google also uses its power to slander great politicians by spreading fake news. google wants to control the world and will stop in nothing to finish that. many people are talking about stopping them and i hope it works for the sake of all freedom of speach and the second amendment.
What OP probably meant to say is that copyrights do not need to be enforced. The owner of an API copyright can simply state up-front that they will not be enforcing the copyright, and everyone can use the API freely without restriction. Which will cause people and companies to gravitate towards these open APIs instead of closed ones like Oracle is trying to make JAVA into. And eventually, the only APIs used between companies will be open ones whose copyright is not enforced.
Raising the question of what the hell was the whole point of making APIs copyrightable? When the only form of API which can self-perpetuate in the market is the kind which foregoes the protections offered by copyright?
Let's all feed Larry.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Oracle have been slowly fucking up Java ever since they got hold of Sun Microsystems.
Oracle WebLogic is shit. It violates RFC 5246 all over the place (an 11 year old spec, by the way), obviously put together by a bunch of half-assed monkeys, yet somehow Oracle is still a multibillion dollar coporation succeeding in the marketplace. I can only put it down to indoctrinating the C-level types with the "Oracle is Good" mantra.
Oracle has the power to publicly destroy almost everyone as well. Oracle has destroyed a lot of open source projects, and if they win the right to prevent anyone from using an API means that this would destroy even more open source.
And it's highly suspect in the first place that an API actually can be copyrighted. That's like copyrighting a table of contents. At the very least, fair use implies you can freely use an API.
I sometimes pass this building in Silicon Valley that has a banner in the window saying "We Love APIs". Which I have thought every time that the building must be full of morons. An API is like saying "I'll meet you at 2:30 in conference room B".
And it's highly suspect in the first place that an API actually can be copyrighted. That's like copyrighting a table of contents.
Just to clarify, I don't disagree with this point. I only wanted to correct the mistaken statement that additional action is required by an author to get copyright protection for a work that is eligible for protection.
Clarification: "Before, copyrights were mostly limited to implementation."
Table-ized A.I.
Um, no, Oracle sells shit shingles for gold bricks and expects you to ask for seconds when you tell them it tastes like shit. Fuck them, fuck Google too, but really, REALLY fuck Oracle. You must really love the taste of Larry's dick, you keep sucking it so hard.
How does this relate to the Microsoft Android tax, that MS is extracting from the hardware makers. Seeing as Microsoft holds patents in relation to Android? ref
Where's PJ to explain this to us when we need her?
That's like copyrighting a table of contents.
It really isn't like that at all. An API, its design, data model, guarantees and so-on, is actually the hardest thing to design. Once designed, the implementation is relatively straightforwards. The main different between Android, and iOS, for instance, is that Android's APIs are horrible, and iOS's are really nice to use. This is an API design issue, it's nothing whatever to do with the underlying implementation.
Or look elsewhere, at a less divisive example. Microsoft's WIN32 API is terrible. Everything is a handle, one ends up having to cast things all over the place. The message queue takes only a couple of integers as payload. There's no support for basic things, like JPEGs. And hands up anybody that's ever tried to use their DirectShow media APIs. Oh, that's right, you can't. You've long ago chewed your own arms off in frustration.
That's poor API design. It's massively important, and very hard to get right. For the record, I don't believe that Java's APIs are particularly nice. An likening an API to a "table of contents" is disingenuous at best.
Not just in the United States, in every country that has ratified the Berne Convention - which is to say, 176 countries.
I only wanted to correct the mistaken statement that additional action is required by an author to get copyright protection for a work that is eligible for protection.
To which I am happy to have been corrected, might I add.
Please either overdose on what you are smoking or stop.
There were plenty of app stores and app platforms that pre-dated the iPhone that were doing just fine.
Well, I suppose 'doing just fine' is a statement that's opening to interpretation, but I can't think of any that fit my own personal definition of that term.
Whatever they're on is amazing!
Thanks for your concern, illiterate idiot, errr citizen. Now, go tell your boss to tell his contacts at Oracle to tell their bosses to tell Larry that hiring you wasn't a very smart use of the money they stole from Oracle customers.
The whole point was the Murrican fear of Soshulism.
You should not have public goods in the US, because that is Marxo Stalinovich Lening rearing his ugly head and screaming "Proletarians of all countries, unite!" from his temple-grave in the Moscow.
Therefore stigginit!
They were an art of true beauty! We were all so mesmerized by it. But then came along evil Google and copied it! Badboybadboy!
Can you imagine a phone designed by Larry? A large red box, clunky UI, with a slot on the side to insert your credit card. Every use is directly debited. No card no phone. And sometimes it just fails and displays a glaring ORA-00019 message " session slots exceeded" which only disappears the following day. Oracle claims this is a quality assurance feature. :)
To be precise, copyrights are vested upon creation, but lawsuits to enforce the copyright may not be brought until the US Copyright Office issues a registration for the copyright or denies it (in which case the suit will also have to argue that the denial was wrong).
The case is Fourth Estate Public Benefit Corp. v. Wall-Street.com, LLC, and the link is to the unanimous opinion of the Court.
-- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
Correction, the link is https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-571_e29f.pdf and whoever runs the site now is a son of a bitch, who hasnâ(TM)t programmed it to figure out what to do with smart quotes from mobile devices and who doesnâ(TM)t offer a chance to preview the post from the mobile interface. Hopefully this works better.
-- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
However, it is possible to have an API - or anything else - that is uncopyrightable if it is not sufficiently creative, or if the merger or scenes-a-faire doctrine kick in.
-- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
Interesting. Thanks for answering that.
Thanks for clarifying that. Yes, everything I said certainly only applies to works that are eligible for copyright protection in the first place.
If Oracle wasn't seriously planning to make phones, their argument collapses. And they'd have to show it would have had a chance in hell of selling. Microsoft couldn't survive in the phone market, why would Oracle?
Those wanting to put it into embedded devices, it's original intent, were ignored by Sun Microsystems.
This is patently (lol) untrue. I recall seeing Java implementations running on smart cards in 15k of RAM back around the 2k time frame.
Licensing was likely a serious issue, but there was Java in embedded spaces, so it was not "ignored". There was some other reason... likely had to do with money.
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Google knocked Oracle out .... thankfully ... if not we will be still in the era of Mobile Java shit. And Apple would have just killed everything else. So it is for the good of mankind. Still google is evil so fuck google and fuck Oracle.
Except you cannot copyright a collection of facts, etc.
I agree: the amount of money they could have lost trying to sell an Oracle Smart Phone is incalculable
just a ghost in the machine.