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Paywalls Block Scientific Progress. Research Should Be Open To Everyone (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Academic and scientific research needs to be accessible to all. The world's most pressing problems like clean water or food security deserve to have as many people as possible solving their complexities. Yet our current academic research system has no interest in harnessing our collective intelligence. Scientific progress is currently thwarted by one thing: paywalls. Paywalls, which restrict access to content without a paid subscription, represent a common practice used by academic publishers to block access to scientific research for those who have not paid. This keeps $25.5bn flowing from higher education and science into for-profit publisher bank accounts.

My recent documentary, Paywall: The Business of Scholarship, uncovered that the largest academic publisher, Elsevier, regularly has a profit margin between 35-40%, which is greater than Google's. With financial capacity comes power, lobbyists, and the ability to manipulate markets for strategic advantages â" things that underfunded universities and libraries in poorer countries do not have. Furthermore, university librarians are regularly required to sign non-disclosure agreements on their contract-pricing specifics with the largest for-profit publishers. Each contract is tailored specifically to that university based upon a variety of factors: history, endowment, current enrolment. This thwarts any collective discussion around price structures, and gives publishers all the power.

97 comments

  1. Two words by no-body · · Score: 2

    Corrupt System!

    1. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like pretty much everything else. Let's make it more expensive to squash the evil leftist science.

    2. Re:Two words by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      You can have: 1-A user pay for profit system (excludes the poor, divert research funds to profit), 2-a user pay co-op system(pay what you can is "unfair" and hard to organize), or 3-a taxpayer funded and run one (ick more taxes why do I need to pay for this?). A huge part (most) of the world's science is currently funded by government with the profits privatized.

    3. Re:Two words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can have: 1-A user pay for profit system (excludes the poor, divert research funds to profit), 2-a user pay co-op system(pay what you can is "unfair" and hard to organize), or 3-a taxpayer funded and run one (ick more taxes why do I need to pay for this?).

      Or you could, you know, use a website, which costs almost nothing.

      The Physics community has been using ArXiv since 1991. There is no good reason that other fields can't do the same.

      A huge part (most) of the world's science is currently funded by government

      That is paying for the research, not publication.

    4. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "use a website, which costs almost nothing"
      But publishing online does cost something. Someone has to create the site, pay for hosting or pay for everything needed to host the site themselves, and most likely pay a 3rd party to manage and keep the site and keep the content updated. Then there is the fact that people pay millions of dollars to fund new research and it is up to the stakeholders on whether or not they want to give away the results for free. Hint: Individuals or groups don't pay millions or even billions on research and then give away the results for free at least until the recoup some of the cost. This same maxim applies to individuals and groups who funnel millions or billions into political campaigns. People do not pour that kind of money into anything and not expect a ROI. And just because the government may fund research projects doesn't mean the results of that research belong to the tax payors. If you want to use this tax payor argument for claiming everything should be free than you will need to determine exactly how much a tax payor has actually contributed in taxes and then categorize what the tax payor contribution was actually spent on. Keeping in mind that 55% of US citizens do not actually pay any federal income taxes and get most of federal withholding income taxes back as refunds. And even those who pay taxes do not get line item veto's on what their taxes are actually spent on.

    5. Re:Two words by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is paying for the research, not publication.

      If the research is funded by tax money, the publication also ought to be funded by tax money for consistency.

    6. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corrupt System!

      Bah ... one word ... Capitalism.

      The corruption is 100% guaranteed to happen.

    7. Re:Two words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      If the research is funded by tax money, the publication also ought to be funded by tax money for consistency.

      Of course. But that is not the way it currently works.

      There are efforts to change this: Fair Acess to Science and Technology Research Act

      Let your congressperson know that this bill is something important to you. My congressperson, Zoe Lofgren, is one of the co-sponsors.

      All publicly funded science should be available to the public.

    8. Re:Two words by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Bah ... one word ... Socialism.

      The corruption and mass murder is 100% guaranteed to happen.

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    9. Re:Two words by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Arxiv, which was mentioned by the GP, is funded by public grants and publishes papers for around $6 per, including the cost of developing and maintaining the platform.

      The two big AI journals publish their budgets, and they both publish papers for a couple bucks per, half of which is to register a DOI.

      The problem with all the open publishing initiatives is that they're aimed directly at the subscription model. That's not the problem. The problem is that scientific publishing, no matter how you pay for it, is currently ridiculously expensive.

    10. Re:Two words by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Which makes it different from capitalism how exactly? I suppose the U.S. mostly only murders the citizens of other countries, I suppose that's some small comfort.

      Domestically we mostly stick with mass-incarceration instead, though we are also quite fond of poisoning our citizens while denying them affordable health care.

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    11. Re:Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bah ... one word ... Socialism.

      The corruption and mass murder is 100% guaranteed to happen.

      Here's a little tip for you ... in their "pure" ideological form, both Socialism and Capitalism are dangerous and stupid, incapable of existing without mass murder at some point.

      Because they naively assume that if only people could be forced to adhere to their ideals everything would work out ... because they both make impossible assumptions about human nature and behavior which negates their claims ... and their rabid proponents believe their system is infallible and will achieve perfect outcomes if only allowed to blossom, even if that kills people in the transition.

      Both of them in their pure forms are complete fucking lies and fantasy.

      I find this to be a failing with most -isms, they're predicated on things which simply can't be true and will never exist, but people irrationally cling to them as the thing which will Solve All Our Problems.

      The reality is, they're all full of shit, based on bullshit assumptions, and can simply never exist as claimed without causing wide spread damage to everyone around it.

      Anybody who believes in either in their purest form is a very dangerous sociopath you should be afraid of, because the logical conclusion of their beliefs pretty much requires them to be in that whatever the collateral damage of forcing the world to use their system is worth it.

      Beware the person who tells you his system is perfect and infallible. He will happily sacrifice others for his ideals.

    12. Re: Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the US isn't a pure economy anyway. No country currently is. The US is a mixed-market economy based on capitalism and socialism.

    13. Re:Two words by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      They should put Research and Technology before Science in the Act, instead.

  2. Re: "The world's most pressing problems" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what? Journals are inexpensive and have a long and permanent positive impact on researchers and society. Just you try and say such a thing about Google without laughing yourself out of the room. Yes, precocious high schoolers are blocked out of the really good articles and it's not a good thing, but comparing to google? Get serious

  3. Re:"The world's most pressing problems" by sycodon · · Score: 0

    WTF?

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  4. It's not science. by reanjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's behind a paywall, it's not really science. The scientific method requires peer review.

    1. Re:It's not science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's behind a paywall, it's not really science. The scientific method requires peer review.

      These topics are not related. All published papers go through peer review. However, once done, the journal then requires others to pay to read the results of the science. THis is what they mean. Nature, Science, Cell, and most journals out there are all peer reviewed and also paywalled.

    2. Re:It's not science. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      If it's behind a paywall, it's not really science. The scientific method requires peer review.

      Er, peer-reviewed articles can be and often are behind paywalls.

    3. Re:It's not science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's behind a paywall, it's not really science.

      Why not? What's wrong with a paywall? Honestly even the strongest paywall today on a paper costs less than the value of the time for a salaried researcher to read the article.

      I'm not saying that I like Elsevier or whoever, I'm really not a fan (for different reasons). But "Paywalls Block Scientific Progress. Research Should Be Open To Everyone" is some kind of popular slogan, not a well thought-out position (at least for 99% of those who think it).

      The scientific method requires peer review.

      That comes before publication. And has nothing to do with a paywall.

    4. Re:It's not science. by epine · · Score: 1

      If it's behind a paywall, it's not really science. The scientific method requires peer review.

      Missed lecture three of Classics 101, did you? Many people did. As I recall, there was some kind of shooting incidence on campus that morning; only a few eggheads tuned out the drama and showed up for class.

      A peerage is a legal system historically comprising hereditary titles in various countries, comprising various noble ranks.

      Bottom line: If they're not behind the right peerage wall, they're not your peers.

    5. Re: It's not science. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      The peerage for the scientific community is the global supply of scientists. If you only show a few of your selected peers without allowing 99% of your peers to see the work, then you are not practicing science. Sorry, dude.

    6. Re: It's not science. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      If your global peers around the world don't have access, that's not peer review, that's getting a select few pumpers to trumpet your work while avoiding any kind of significant and broad peer review process.

      That's not science. Sorry, dude.

    7. Re: It's not science. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Paywalls hide the work from as many peers as possible in order to extract compensation, which undermes the fundamental sharing of knowledge intrinsic to science.

      Something like Arxiv is a much better model if you want to be a real scientist who shares knowledge with the entire scientific community.

    8. Re: It's not science. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      If you are operating behind some medieval concept of limited peerage, you are not a scientist, you are a keeper of knowledge. More akin to a medieval hedge wizard than a modern scientist.

    9. Re: It's not science. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      You have redefined "peer review" to suit yourself. Getting a few selected "peers" to evaluate and critique the paper is exactly what peer review is. You don't get to make up your own definitions for existing words.

    10. Re: It's not science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have redefined "peer review" to suit yourself. Getting a few selected "peers" to evaluate and critique the paper is exactly what peer review is. You don't get to make up your own definitions for existing words.

      OP is correct. Do you have a conflict of interest here?

      Peer review in science means the entire community gets to see the work. The people looking at the work in the initial review are just a filter to make sure the work meets some minimum standards, and they typically also provide some important editing help.

      Don't underestimate the importance of editing. It's commonly the case that authors get so involved in their work that they can't see some easily corrected problems - but a third party can often spot these right away.

      In some technical fields, third party editing can be especially important, as the scientists (or engineers, who are doing applied science) often are not that skilled at writing. The initial review can help with this problem as well - the people who are asked to do the initial reviews are typically selected from the relatively few people in a field that have both good writing skills as well as technical knowledge of the field.

      The initial review also provides value in helping people that aren't native English speakers with their word usage - English is still by far the most important language for publication of scientific research, but having non-native speakers publish is very common in science today. It's embarrassing to publish a paper with obvious grammar or semantics problems (obvious to an educated native speaker, but perhaps not obvious to somebody coming from another linguistic tradition), and this sort of assistance is generally highly appreciated by those who receive it.

      But the initial review is not the peer review. The peer review takes place over many months and years as other researchers with interests in the same area look at the work, critique it, spot problems, reproduce critical measurements, and so forth. Today, a lot of the peer review takes place at conferences (often in dedicated sessions devoted to a particular topic), or on specialized discussion boards, or via email.

      An yes - aside from the issues concerning whether and when government can legitimately allow publicly funded research to be owned by third parties - there is a very serious problem in getting high quality peer review for work done behind a paywall, and thus the science suffers.

      While US universities can generally afford the extremely high fees charged for access to paywalls (which become part of the tuition they charge students, a situation that has some serious negative implications for major social issues such as equality of opportunity and student debt), that isn't the case in many parts of the world. As a result, a lot of the scientific community has limited access to the work. Developing nations are getting better at educating scientists and engineers, and this trend will continue. These people are every bit as smart as their counterparts in nations like this US - and often can provide valuable feedback in many areas of science. This is exactly why some scientific communities have moved to publishing systems that work independently of the traditional commercial publishers. In those cases, the initial review is often done by volunteers (who are directly paid, though they often get non-pay benefits of one kind or another), or graduate students (who need to become familiar with the work being done in their field). Sometimes a professional editor is hired directly and funded through the research funding the community receives.

      The paywall issue is even more complicated and problematic in law (or research topics that touch on the law) - and an important element of the massive legal ethics problem the USA is currently struggling with - but I've said enough for today.

  5. What's needed by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Impose a fee on Universities and other places that harbor research staff sufficient to support a small staff of editors and the like to coordinate and distribute papers.

    The very same researchers, etc. commit to reviewing studies for free.

    Papers are submitter, the paid staff categorizes and sends out for review, reviews classify not only if they are publish worthy, but also their normal review process.

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    1. Re:What's needed by tsqr · · Score: 2

      Impose a fee on Universities and other places that harbor research staff sufficient to support a small staff of editors and the like to coordinate and distribute papers.

      Good idea! Bringing on a group of full-time employees will undoubtedly be cheaper than subscriptions to publishing services. Anyway, the universities can recoup the cost by merely raising their modest tuitions a little.

      The very same researchers, etc. commit to reviewing studies for free.

      Another good idea! Why shouldn't university employees be happy to work for free?

      Papers are submitter, the paid staff categorizes and sends out for review, reviews classify not only if they are publish worthy, but also their normal review process.

      I'm having a hard time parsing that one, but I'm sure it's just as good as the others.

    2. Re:What's needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impose a fee on Universities and other places that harbor research staff sufficient to support a small staff of editors and the like to coordinate and distribute papers.

      Good idea! Bringing on a group of full-time employees will undoubtedly be cheaper than subscriptions to publishing services. Anyway, the universities can recoup the cost by merely raising their modest tuitions a little.

      The total cost of those subscriptions do exceed the salaries for a large research group. You will see a net saving if universities did all of the distribution.

      The very same researchers, etc. commit to reviewing studies for free.

      Another good idea! Why shouldn't university employees be happy to work for free?

      Peer reviewers already work for free.

    3. Re:What's needed by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Impose a fee on Universities and other places that harbor research staff sufficient to support a small staff of editors and the like to coordinate and distribute papers.

      The very same researchers, etc. commit to reviewing studies for free.

      Papers are submitter, the paid staff categorizes and sends out for review, reviews classify not only if they are publish worthy, but also their normal review process.

      All the people involved in writing, reviewing, editing, & most of the publishing process are researchers themselves & do it for the prestige &/or to contribute to the scientific community. The don't get paid anything extra for doing this extra work. Nowadays, academic publishers are glorified shopping cart software providers & little else.

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  6. arxiv.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    for the rescue!

  7. Long live Sci Hub by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully, like The Pirate Bay and others blazing the trail before them, they can continue to fight evil and make the world a better place.

  8. Congressional Pressure by resistant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can we not start a pressure group to push federal lawmakers into passing a law dictating that all publicly funded research automatically be made available freely with no paywalls whatsoever? Private publishing outfits can still hide their resources behind paywalls if they wish, but informed citizens will ignore them and go directly for the multiple open websites that offer the full text of such publicly funded research. Is that too much to ask?

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    1. Re:Congressional Pressure by UltraOne · · Score: 2

      A limited version of this is already in effect, as articles that arise from research supported by many (possibly all) US federal government grants must be available on a public access site with 12 months of the official date of publication (links to NIH and NSF policies). Lobbying by publishers blocked an effort for no or a shorter waiting period.

    2. Re:Congressional Pressure by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

      In many cases, you can create a free account, then bookmark the summary or a search for the DOI on PubMed and just wait until the full article is also available on there for free.

    3. Re: Congressional Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes please! I'll join post a jounal on it on the red site.

  9. Entitlement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have an overwhelming sense of entitlement. If you want to access these papers then you should pay the publishers for a copy. Demanding free access literally steals money from researchers. This copyright infringement culture is going to destroy civilization.

    1. Re:Entitlement by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Completely wrong. Researchers get zero money for publishing their research or for reviewing the research of others. It is all going to greedy and, today, mostly worthless publishers.

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    2. Re:Entitlement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Also, I was dropped on my head as a child. Repeatedly."

    3. Re:Entitlement by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > This copyright infringement culture is going to destroy civilization.

      And yet "somehow" civilization existed BEFORE copyright was invented. Go figure! /s

      Copyright is a symptom of greed.

    4. Re:Entitlement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Middlemen have an overwhelming sense of entitlement. If you want society to hand you money then you should offer something of value to society. Demanding artificial expenses on science literally steals money from researches. This imaginaryproperty culture is going to destroy civilization.

  10. Worldwide or US only? by Titanek · · Score: 2

    Anyone know whether this is a worldwide problem, or only with US published studies/sites? Because it frustrates me with places like hospitals in the US, that every link down to the vending machines has to turn an individual profit, instead of looking at it as a whole.

    1. Re:Worldwide or US only? by UltraOne · · Score: 3, Informative

      The situation is the same with European scientific journals. Elsevier is a Dutch company. I don't know about non-English language journals, but with the possible exception of Chinese journals (which I know very little about), those are much smaller and much less prestigious than English language journals.

  11. Half the world are middle men by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    and they don't take kindly to being cut out.

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    1. Re:Half the world are middle men by sconeu · · Score: 1

      They can have reservations on the B Ark

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  12. Hit piece from UC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This strikes me as a hit piece from UC. Not that I'm against it mind you, I absolutely agree with the assertion that paywalls are detrimental to science.

    However it strikes me as convenient this coming out right at the same time as UC is boycotting Elsevier:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/02/university-california-boycotts-publishing-giant-elsevier-over-journal-costs-and-open

  13. A lot of R&D is not public at all by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Whether it's NASA or SpaceX there's a helluva lot of useful research on rockets that is never going to find its way into a whitepaper. Academia and open research have its place but those throwing out hyperbole like "all research should be free for the good of mankind" is off on a RMS-like crusade against proprietary research. Managing some kind of curated scientific journal is a lot of work that requires money, it's not just putting up arXiv and have everyone have a go at publishing their junk. If you want access to neatly compiled data on say the bleeding edge of cancer research it's not unreasonable there's a price.

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    1. Re:A lot of R&D is not public at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no issue with proprietary research staying proprietary. But TFA is addressing a slightly different issue: *academic* research being hidden behind a paywall.

      A lot of academic research is paid for in whole or in part with public funds. So a paywall is at the least obnoxious, but at the most a form of double taxation.

      Also, the spirit of academic research is for the public good. That's a fundamental difference from proprietary research. There always needs to be someplace in the public domain where science is exercised, discussed, and tested. For a very long time, academia filled that niche. With paywalls, not so much.

    2. Re:A lot of R&D is not public at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to take a closer look at the companies running those journals. Their profits are over 90% and most of their business is automated.

      The private journals you believe exist don't. You can sign up with them if you're willing to pay. They aren't paying the researchers to publish in them, the researchers are the ones paying. The journals are double-dipping since you're paying too. Proprietary research isn't published unless under NDA to someone working under contract on the same project.

  14. Whenever anybody has a good idea by gweihir · · Score: 2

    There are always some fuckers that want to restrict access and get rich on it. It is an utter disgrace.

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  15. Whining like a spoiled child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author is just whining. If researchers wanted their research to be available to the public they would just post it on their own web pages. Problem solved. However --- there is a reason they don't do that. They don't get 'tenure credit' or improved ability to get grants by just posting their papers on their web pages. There is a hierarchy of journals that are difficult to get published in because of competition and selection by editors. Getting published in those journals counts a lot more than publishing in arxiv or their own web pages - there is a high value to publish in "Nature." The author does not bother to discuss that at all.

    However Professor Schmitt's publishing practice is consistent with his views, he appears to avoid scholarly publications and primarily publishes in "Huffington Post" and "Forbes".

  16. "My recent documentary" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Gee, msmash, thanks for the slashvertisement.

    1. Re:"My recent documentary" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bitch tears are palpable.

    2. Re:"My recent documentary" by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Per this: https://paywallthemovie.com/, I'm guessing the anonymous submitter is one Jason Schmitt

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    3. Re:"My recent documentary" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Of course they are. Palpable bitch tears are the best kind!

  17. Region locking by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can we not start a pressure group to push federal lawmakers into passing a law dictating that all publicly funded research automatically be made available freely with no paywalls whatsoever?

    Would it be acceptable to region-lock tax-funded publications, offering them without charge to domestic viewers but putting foreign viewers behind a paywall? Consider that, for example, a French citizen living in France likely did not contribute to research funded by U.S. tax dollars. Compare what BBC has done with iPlayer and the like.

    1. Re:Region locking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider that, for example, a French citizen living in France likely did not contribute to research funded by U.S. tax dollars.

      What about a US citizen living in France?

    2. Re:Region locking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A paywall for an electronic document? Do you want to charge an eighth of a cent per download? There are thousands of mirrors for linux DVD ISOs and tons of other software. Surely someone will be willing to mirror 2MB PDF files for free.

      But passing laws is the wrong approach. Stop crying to the government every time the world doesn't work the way you want it to work. The paywalls can be toppled with a bit of OSS, some article templates, a system to match new submissions with reviewers. Add some fraud prevention, a reputation system for authors and reviews, and start off paying reviewers for the reviews. Jump start the network effect by advertising in universities so that the professors and new grad students use your journal system. Beat paywall journals by providing something better, not by whining to someone else to fix your problems for you.

  18. Headlines Should Be Objective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Present the story and let people figure it out, don't try to turn them into a herd of sheep by telling them what you think they should think.

    This is the problem with not only specific Slashdot editors, but the media as a whole. Present the damn story and leave your thoughts out of the headline.

  19. More complicated story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't think it's a black and white issue. The benefit of for-profit journals is their incentive to publish high quality research. The business model most people propose for open access is to pay the publishers on a per-paper basis. That incentivizes quantity over quality, and we already have a quality problem as is.

    1. Re:More complicated story by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      This is probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't think it's a black and white issue. The benefit of for-profit journals is their incentive to publish high quality research. The business model most people propose for open access is to pay the publishers on a per-paper basis. That incentivizes quantity over quality, and we already have a quality problem as is.

      There is nothing stopping paywalls from changing their business models offering their paying customers a filtering service which rewards quality.

      If that is truly the issue as you say there should be a market for it.

    2. Re:More complicated story by Falos · · Score: 1

      The benefit of for-profit journals is their incentive to publish high quality research

      They publish anything that pays the bribe. It's been tested, they've sent out garbage and it goes right through if your check does. It's been a headline on /. more than once.

      I'm won't claim they offer zero value, but let's not pretend this is anything but a racket.

  20. Unless humans don't learn, it is inevitable. by aishahmaryam · · Score: 1

    No problems in this world remaining are answered now by heaving around objects, none whatsoever, without an idea to precede that, to say how it answers that particular (previously unsolved) problem. Paywalls are gross and on fire and serve only to perpetuate whatever could have been solved faster with more minds on it. Whilst cancer is an issue, paywalls cause cancer, contributing to the system causes (a much tinier amount) of cancer - no hyperbole. Bulldozing all paywalls would save x amount of lives per still-at-large disease, and dropping them makes us *ping* into better standards of common and collected knowledge with a lump-sum payout to all the universities and many others. Past that, where you can replace "cancer" with any given pressing issue (fuel finity, goshawful economic distribution, isolation of marginalised groups, mass media... not even a finite list!!) summing all those together to see what making knowledge free gives us in terms of real poly/omnifaceted utility in one swoop... PAST THAT: learning has never been solely about solving problems, but raising literacy in general so that we can build more meaningful connections whilst surviving, racing hovercars, and finding cooler questions, finding whole new aspects of reality to explore by connecting previously unconnected insights. *This* endeavour: constant, collective, and irreplacable is *especially* benefited by (Universally) Free Knowledge, much more so than niche predefined tasks which are more viable for specialists to invest in. Polymaths are generally useful, and, basically people are better the more diversely they have glanced... this is particularly the style of learning paywalls harm, and we shouldn't be barring anyone at wiki-grade knowledge just because they're poor. Exchange rates play here too. Free Knowledge would open everything to everyone, beginning with raising the mean, median, and nearly all percentiles of human intelligence, capability, wisdom, and literacy with which to send it on. (Percentiles not directly lifted in these measures would be benefited in many other ways along with everyone else.) The *one* thing holding us back from all that benefit, which would hit straight away a bit and soar... all those cancery-solve-me problems and the "woah" unknowns from sticking formerly separate ideas together, *plus* the huge number of people newly invited and encouraged, empowered, to read what's better than what they viably may at present... No, it's not researchers and labs who are getting moneymoneymoney from $40 journal articles, it's... the company who post it to the internet? Surely that's the music industry isn't it? The same triceratopses. Zero researchers rely on royalties from pay-per-view payperviews - and good!! That would be absurd and lend to a terrible academic demagoguery if people act rationally. Researchers are invested in kudos from "respected journals" (whilst paywalls aren't respectful to the public, to knowledge itself, cancer-survivors, nor the researchers who sought to provide max benefit not just for a few), so... I don't think it's a case we ask Nature to change (heh), but knowledge workers politely letting journals rot unless they add value instead of creating scarcity (of access and journal-space). We don't quite have it yet, the alternative, but how could we all want researchers to keep paying tax siphoned off to a letterpress, besides the increase in public literacy by inviting everyone to everything. How about not asking for a specially secured circle for the men with hats and honorifics, but public peer-reviews with ratings based on proven reputation? A reddit-like built purely for academia would be a swell start, hey? Keep it sensible and proper, let the great stuff shine with proportion as opposed to "Yes, you're in Nature now, and no, you're not." And let the good times roll. Super-peer review, super-inviting to readers and researchers, meta-communities right there and discussion made straight away oh my, a big pile of statsy data somewhere and streams of the hottest graphs and images, oh oh my "Open Source Press" my corpus is ready!! wiki.khalidaaishah.ink

    1. Re:Unless humans don't learn, it is inevitable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      learning has never been solely about solving problems, but raising literacy in general so that we can build more meaningful connections whilst surviving, racing hovercars, and finding cooler questions, finding whole new aspects of reality to explore by connecting previously unconnected insights.

      And maybe learning how to put walls of text into actual paragraphs.

  21. The paywall is what fosters the review process by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    As a reader of journals I wish there was fewer to read. If we could just charge more for publishing and/or reading then people might possibly publish less or publish things that are more informative.

    So that's the counter argument to paywalls.

    The problem that a lot of people see, that isn't the actual problem here. Publishing test is now close to free. So you can't say the cost of publishing is justified by the cost of materials.

    Before we might have thought that was the important value in charging. But it turns out it's the deterrence and filtering effect that are worth paying for not the paper. THere is also the value of archical retention which has gotten to be a higher risk in the age of computers. Printed materials last decades to centuries whereas digital materials often can't be read after a decade. I can't say the published are assuredly doing a good job on archiving but presumably they are trying rather than depending on the whim of Wordperect, or Troff, or Microxosft word 2.0 being readable 5 years hence.

    Better search engines don't help. There's almost nothing a search engine can do to distinguish a good article from a bad one. The only thing they can do is score the articles by citations or journal reputation. And a higher priced journal generally gets less crap submitted to it, hence the reputation builds.

    So I have no problem with reasonable fees. I'd pay even more if we could somehow filter out more of the crap.

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    1. Re:The paywall is what fosters the review process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't find a list of the non-crap somewhere?

    2. Re:The paywall is what fosters the review process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's the point of the review and acceptance process.

    3. Re: The paywall is what fosters the review process by reanjr · · Score: 1

      There would be fewer to read if they were not behind paywalls. Paywalls fracture the knowledge into silos, lead to duplicate work, and hide the work from as many peers as possible before publishing to a select few.

      That's not science.

  22. Three words : You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word.... education. You desperately need one, for the first time.

  23. IP Law Block Scientific Progress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not only copyright that slows progress, throw in all IP law to that conversation.

  24. Patented submission by sanf780 · · Score: 1

    Most papers I have seen are difficult to replicate. And even if you were able to do so, there are patents. So paywall may be one of the issues but not the only one.

  25. Criticality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All Knowledge should be freely available. Including (arguably) all exclusive research journals as well,
    Money and materialism is slowing down our potential tremendously,
    Everything and everyone should all work together,
    Share resources,
    And manifest a better world free of division, separation by class, and with better societal morality, Live as if you will never day,
    Live for our descendants. Make their world the one we wish we lived in, at any cost, money should be no object,
    For the love of money withholds our absolution.

    Stop the uselessness, And we will live to see the technological singularity in our faces.
    Earth is a quantum representation of the universe,
    Each being is a part of a static pulse network,
    We are all truly one,
    As above so below.

  26. for want of a Satoshi nail, the war was lost by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With financial capacity comes power, lobbyists, and the ability to manipulate markets for strategic advantages — things that underfunded universities and libraries in poorer countries do not have.

    If the ten most prestigious universities in America put their heads together (not counting the football teams), this system of extortion could be ended almost overnight. They merely have to collectively announce that these kinds of journals will have their tenure clout progressively de-weighted in the realm of future academic promotions.


    tenure_clout = institutional_ubiquity ^ (k/alpha) * traditional_clout;

    institutional_ubiquity is a value between 0 and 1, which approximates the number of institutions of higher learning where faculty and students have cost-free access to the journal in question (any stable, approximate metric will do; you don't have to scour the world down to the last accredited college in Uganda or the Australian outback—though you can if the spirit moves you).

    k is an integer, initialized to zero for the coming academic year, which increments annually.

    alpha is a constant of moderation, probably somewhere around five. If your gated journal has ubiquity 0.5, then in five years it will be tenure-weighted by a factor of 0.5; in ten years, it will be tenure-weighted by a factor of 0.5^2 = 0.25 = conservation status "critically endangered"; in twenty years, it will be tenure-weighted by a factor of 0.5^4 = 6% = conservation status "zoo specimens only".

    This immediately bequeaths a nail-studded bargaining club to the underfunded libraries of poorer countries, because Elsevier will be in a blind panic to keep their ubiquity scores well above 0.5 for the foreseeable future (about a decade) to milk what's left of the cow—a cow that's now thoroughly sterilized, never to breed again. Elsevier's predicament in this Brave New World: without viable tenure_clout you receive nothing of impact to publish; with nothing of impact to publish, the lemming compulsion of all these institutions to blindly pony up instantly withers on the wine.

    This small problem in extirpation design is easily solved, by Bitcoin ^ (1/10), by which I mean a mere Satoshi fingernail clipping could architect the whole scheme in under ten minutes, 99% bug free, and binding for perpetuity.

    That this is so translates as follows (for those of you whose Japanese is the least bit rusty): what we're really dealing with here is institutional capture, or this would have been done already, and elite America universities would not be voluntarily donating blood to Dutch pirates, as they continue to do. Maybe they don't mind paying Elsevier these giants royalties, for the same reason that Apple customers everywhere reach exactly the same conclusion: it's not so much the product you're paying for, as the exclusivity the arrangement creates. From the perspective of the Ivy League, exclusivity generally maps to a feature, not a bug.

    Now you might need to choose a larger alpha for narrower specialties so as not to unduly punish academics presently in the tenure pipeline, who were not notified in advance that the rules were in aggressive flux. This is why a piracy shakeout leveraged around standards of academic promotion needs to be clairvoyantly tuned to take on the order of ten to twenty years. (Not a big deal: one Satoshi Fingernail Clawback, coming up.)

    If these same universities bond together on an economic footing, it would smack of collusion, and also open the alliance up to divide and conquer (if the end game boils down to nothing more than getting the largest subscription discount, the first to move can be enticed with the largest reward).

    Elsevier would have a much harder legal-grievance row to hoe sticking their beak into tenure-committee standards of merit.

    I have seen the game-theoretic matrix, and it tilts heavily toward the formerly Philandric Ivy League, yet somehow Elsevier continues to run the table on pocket sevens.

    But now the fix is in, as outlined above, and there's nothing remaining to do but make it so.

  27. Does access include medical research or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because most of it is done by private industries and they sit on the medical reports that don't fit their bottom line requirements. Oddly enough the claims that research is faulty by looking at the research papers are ALL using medical research for their reporting statistics.
    So unless this includes medical research done by, for example, Monsato, GSK or Exxon-Mobil, et al, there's really fuck all here to talk about, and your point is only true insofar as capitalism demands the results be corrupt, the system being problematic here would be capitalism, not science.
    But I don't hear you complain about that...

  28. Publication requirements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one is forced to publish in these journals. The fault is in the academics own actions who value such publications over other sources for determination of value. If you want to fix the problem get academics at all levels to terminate their future career path on principal (so you had better figure out how to fund their research (a gofundme page?)). In the long run you might win. In the short term you have ended the careers of thousands and thousands of researches, unless you are willing to put up your own money to mitigate that impact. It is a nasty world, but there is no way forward without the original poster being willing to pay, and pay big.

  29. I'll believe it when I see it. by lfp98 · · Score: 2

    When I was a graduate student in 1973, scientists were already talking about a better model for publication, potentially bypassing for-profit publishers. Half a century later, we still have basically the same system. There are of course alternative journals that follow an open-access model, but many if not most laboratories can't afford to publish in them, at least not consistently. Before my retirement last year, I published my very last paper in an open-access journal, and it cost me about $3500 in open-access fees. It's very difficult to compare costs of open-access journals, which are paid by researchers, with those of paywall journals, which are paid by libraries. But I am not convinced there are any big savings to be had by switching to an open-access model.

    1. Re:I'll believe it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very difficult to compare costs of open-access journals, which are paid by researchers, with those of paywall journals, which are paid by libraries.

      What do the journals spend their money on?
      Not typesetting. You send them the LaTeX file.
      Not peer review. Reviewers work for free.
      Is it all printing, postage, and obscene editorial salaries?

    2. Re:I'll believe it when I see it. by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      You may yet see it. Hardly anyone appreciates the full enormity of the Internet. On a list of the most significant advances in the past millennium, the Gutenberg Press was rated #1. Printing really cut down the cost of copying and preserving knowledge, and reduced errors. I think the Internet may prove to be even more significant. Before the Internet there was still much cost in data transmission and storage. Printed material had to be delivered somehow. And now, delivery costs are microscopic.

      I would rather publish in open journals, but that still isn't as easy as it could and should be. I refuse to pay $3500. Even $400 seems outrageous.

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      Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
    3. Re:I'll believe it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before my retirement last year, I published my very last paper in an open-access journal, and it cost me about $3500 in open-access fees. It's very difficult to compare costs of open-access journals, which are paid by researchers, with those of paywall journals, which are paid by libraries. But I am not convinced there are any big savings to be had by switching to an open-access model.

      What you haven't figured out is that the university libraries are able to pay for these extremely expensive paywall subscriptions because of either research grants (i.e. the taxpayer), or tuition (which has huge implications for equality of opportunity, and the student debt problem).

      In short, you (and the public) ARE paying a LOT of money for the journal access and for publication in the journals. You pay in the form of the 'tax' that universities impose on research grants (which gets laundered into their budgets: quite a bit of the money often goes to things far removed from anything related to actual research). You pay in the form of tuition for your children. You pay even more to keep people in prisons, because of the problem of equality of opportunity (the USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world). And you pay even more because of long term economic consequences of the student debt problem.

      You just don't see those fees on your personal balance sheet. Even if you don't have children in school, you are still paying, but the payments are hidden inside other line items.

      Like many people, you don't understand the subtle economic issues that lie behind the apparent problem, and that there are real social and economic considerations that go far beyond the immediate and obvious costs of goods and services.

      Effectively, the paywall system is like a hidden regressive tax: certain special interest groups benefit, everybody else gets screwed. There are always big savings to be had in fixing these types of problems.

  30. Possible side benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting rid of paywalls may partially solve the problem of predatory publishing. No profit, no business. Of course, idiots will still need to publish their junk, driving demand up. So even if the trade becomes unprofitable, these idiots will very well just start their own publication.

    The fight goes on.

  31. Re: "The world's most pressing problems" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    google is much less evil :)

  32. The East Anglia climate denier thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    East Anglia were hit by FOIA request spamming from deniers to deny the climate department time to fill in all the requests and therefore fail "the law", and almost all the requests came from outside the UK, so unpaid for work to boot: UK taxpayers footed the bill.

  33. I do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article is about how paywalls block scientific progress. Unless you're going to claim there is no scientific progress by private companies, in which case, there should be no patents from them either, then the privately funded research should be open access too.

    Indeed since currently it's possible to game the system by trying 20 times and then by accident get the result you wanted that reality refused to give you, and only publishing the one fluke that gave you your desired response, and since all the reports of faulty research have been in the medical and private funded research areas, not government funded public research, by refusing to let private research be open too you have made a mockery of this process and turned taxpayers into funders of private solutions.

    Who will have to pay to replace the money from the paywalls? Taxpayers.

  34. So Nature does that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or were you being histrionic and simple minded by proclaiming a universal when you merely meant a possible?

  35. Open Access goes further than academics by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    Open Access to scientific research is important for a multitude of reasons. For example, education professionals around the world are currently rallying to make their work more (scientific) evidence-informed. The trouble is, they aren't affiliated with universities or other institutions that can provide them with access to the research that is held behind paywalls. Another example is journalists & science writers: We need public access to public research so that a multitude of people can do their jobs more cheaply & better. There's so many up-sides to Open Access publishing &, as far as I've heard so far, no reason to continue with the exorbitant costs that publishers are currently imposing on tax payers, universities, etc..

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    Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
  36. If it's publicly funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it should be public intellectual property.

  37. Someone has to pay for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I shouldn't have to pay to publish my research.

    Conferences are already exorbitant. Journals are one of the only ways that less-well-funded (or non-funded) researchers can get their work out there. Maybe some of you would prefer scientists start our Patreon accounts to help pay to publish? ;-)

  38. Re:"The world's most pressing problems" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading from OP comment: OP just got to college and has access to scientific journals at his college library, oh and he thinks he's way better than lowly high-schoolers.

  39. US expats pay US income tax by tepples · · Score: 1

    U.S. citizens living outside the U.S. would retain access. But that's because of an unusual tax situation: the United States is one of the few countries that taxes expats' income earned anywhere in the world.