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iFixit Teardown Reveals Apple's New AirPods Are 'Disappointingly Disposable' (arstechnica.com)

After tearing apart Apple's new second-generation AirPods, the repair guide site found that there is no practical way to service or repair them even at a professional shop. They labeled them as "disappointingly disposable." Ars Technica reports: iFixit had to go to almost comical lengths to open the AirPods up, and despite their expertise and tools, the iFixit team was unable to do so without permanently damaging the product. [...] That's disappointing, given that the batteries in the AirPods won't last longer than a few years with heavy use, and they're hard to recycle. Apple does offer to recycle headphones through partners as part of its Apple GiveBack program, but the GiveBack Web portal does not offer a product-specific category for AirPods to consumers like it does with most other Apple products. Consumers may simply select a general "headphones & speakers" category on the site.

The teardown also revealed some differences from the first-generation AirPods. The battery is the same size, but iFixit identified the new, Bluetooth 5-ready H1 chip in the earbuds themselves. The site also found some small differences likely related to Apple's efforts to increase the case's water resistance. For all the details, visit iFixit's teardown page for the product. All told, iFixit gave the AirPods a 0 out of 10 for repairability -- that's low even for Apple products. By contrast, the site also opened up Samsung's Galaxy Buds and gave them a 6 out of 10.

117 comments

  1. Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Do you fix burned-out light bulbs, too? At some point, the subsystem is the component.

    1. Re: Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple talks the talk and walks the walk. What's a few pairs of disposable air pods between friends?

    2. Re: Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Light bulbs cost 100x less and last about the same amount of time. There is no reason these should be disposable.

    3. Re:Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They cost $159USD. That's different than a lightbulb by two orders of magnitude.

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    4. Re:Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If I spent $200US for a burned-out lightbulb you bet you arse I'd be fixing it rather than throwing it away. Now go back to ruining the economy from your penthouse office you crappy 1%er.

    5. Re:Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you fix burned-out light bulbs, too? At some point, the subsystem is the component.

      that analogy applies only to the battery, not the transducer, electronics and casing - not to mention it's far more difficult to recycle compared to a lightbulb.

    6. Re: Who the heck wants to fix AirPods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you aren't buying a burnt out light. You are buying a working light that will burn out. I know when the lamp in my projector burns out there isn't really a way of fixing the light, I'm buying a new $200 light bulb (which is close to the actual cost of one for my home theater projector).

      Not everything can be fixed reasonably. If having earburds that last more than 3 or 4 years and can be easily repaired is important, buy something else. I know I'm not going to be buying any.

  2. Not a problem by registrations_suck · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They are what, $160? Assuming you use for 2 years, that is under $7/month. I am not inclined to cry about replacing them after that 24th month.

    I agree with previous poster. They are disposable - who cares?

    1. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The more stitches, the less riches; the more stitches â¦"

    2. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The environment you shmuck.

    3. Re:Not a problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They are what, $160? Assuming you use for 2 years, that is under $7/month.

      For earbuds? $7/month is pretty expensive. They're bluetooth, so they don't sound all that good anyway. They actually sound worse than the $15 headset I've had since 2011, which have cost me about fifteen cents per month, and show no sign of wearing out any time soon.

      And I don't have to charge them. Did I mention they sound better than the Airpods? They definitely sound better than the Airpods.

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    4. Re:Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why would you subject yourself to substandard sound from a substandard product all for the hipstery of it, while you can get cabled studio quality in-ear Etymotics for 75% of that, and those are going to last you much longer?
      And why pollute the planet with disposal and destroy countless lives and habitats by strip mining and tossing out rare earth elements? I am striving to live this planet a better place for all life, not live balls to the wall, come hell or high water like you do.

    5. Re:Not a problem by melted · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That wouldn't be a problem if they came with full warranty for the entire 2 years, including warranty against things like drops and water damage. But they don't.

    6. Re:Not a problem by fred6666 · · Score: 2

      I am not inclined to cry about replacing them after that 24th month.

      You should. Headphones should last much longer than that.

    7. Re:Not a problem by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're $160. If you could buy a $20 set of batteries and keep them for 4 years, they'd be $3.75 per month. The battery is inside the "tail" of the Airpods -- it would be trivial to allow it to be replaced via an end cap that unscrews. Easy to seal against water, too.

    8. Re: Not a problem by rmdingler · · Score: 0

      There are far bigger problems you schmuck. And I bet you drive a gasoline vehicle, use electricity generated by fossil fuels, throw out paper, aluminum and plastic, and probably don't recycle anything else.

      Fuck off hypocrite.

      Right there, another prime example of the wasteful, western, Republicrat lifestyle: why does hypocrit even need that fucking silent e?

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    9. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so an environmental disaster of a status symbol is exactly the same as things required to eat safe food, like getting to work?

    10. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's The environment and there's My environment.

      I don't like old stuff that doesn't work well, is obsolete, or just looks old. No matter the size of the headphones, I trash them well before 2 years anyway. These Earpods are perfect.

    11. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a lone Brittany spears album with her inflatable bazookas? You will rue the day

    12. Re: Not a problem by registrations_suck · · Score: 0

      If that is the issue, better for everyone to not buy any headphones AT ALL.

      Schmuck.

    13. Re: Not a problem by registrations_suck · · Score: 0, Troll

      I spend that much EVERY DAY on sodas and snacks. Who fucking cares about $7/month.

      As for sound quality - you are right. They are ear buds.How good can they sound? How good do they NEEd to sound? I use them for talk radio and conference calls, while out and about trying to carry as little shit with me as possible. They are just fine for this purpose.

      If I cared about sound quality, I would buy a nice stereo, go home and listen to it.

    14. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is a cover for a cheesy operation selling things that break as soon as you leave the store

    15. Re:Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just avoid apple altogether and buy a $20 set of Bluetooth headphones. They probably won't sound great, but anyone serious about audio would use a wired connection.

    16. Re: Not a problem by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

      I do not ascribe status to Apple products. Why do you?

    17. Re:Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post is form someone who's never used or even held a pair of airpods.

    18. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To me, they need to sound as good as the pair that cost 15 dollars in 2011 and still work without needing to be charged. And so far they're not there.

    19. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn the blubber, into rubber, nuke the whales, and dump to-xic waste!

      Eat tuna, that's not dophin safe

    20. Re:Not a problem by phayes · · Score: 2

      If it’s as trivial as you claim, you (or anyone else) should be able to buy a pair of AirPods and mod them so the battery is replaceable in the screwed in tail — without compromising the weight, breaking the recharging function, making sure the battery has as reliable a connection as it’s current soldered in connection, breaking the tap detection, degrading the microphone at the end of the tail or making the AirPods overly fragile and likely to break at your new screw interface.

      But that’s not going to happen because your “trivial” mod is _much_ more complicated than you claimed because the are all the other constraints you glossed over. Nobody wants AirPods that refuse to charge, easily break, have poorer mic function, no longer react when tapped and weigh twice as much and/or have a tail twice as long so they fall out easier.

      I prefer intra-auricular earphones so AirPods are not for me but your claimed “trivial” mod is bunk.

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    21. Re:Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modding an an already pre planned obsolescent part is hardly a worthy argument, I agree with the poster, they could have made the power cable terminate to to a gold plated contact on top, with a screw on cap on the bottom without sacrificing more than a millimetre or !two, but hey , its Apple, where a tri lobed screw will be used instead of a small phillips head.. because, well ...APPLE

    22. Re:Not a problem by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      You know something is overpriced when people try to justify a purchase in the form of a monthly payment.

    23. Re:Not a problem by zenasprime · · Score: 1

      Last time I spent over $100 on a pair of headphones it was on a set of Sony headphones in 1996. They are still working, are in excellent condition, and I use them frequently.

    24. Re: Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the mfing Sony MDR 7506 , I have had it for 8 years! Replaced the pads thrice but it held up well. My audeze LCD 3F had driver failure in 5months lol. My Senn 600 , 650 also holding up really well after 5 years. Nothing's gonna beat wired audio.

    25. Re:Not a problem by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      that is under $7/month. They are disposable - who cares?

      Holy shit. You're actually happy to pay as much for the hardware as an entire Spotify subscription? Look I get it. You're out of touch. Maybe when you finish parking your Ferrari in your 5 car garage in your wonderful mansion and are done pissing in a gold toilet you may want to consider how absurd your comment actually was. Do you also pay $7/month for typing on your keyboard? How about another $7/month for your mouse?

      What other things that shouldn't wear out do you depreciate on a monthly basis to justify stupidity?

    26. Re: Not a problem by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      This.

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    27. Re:Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you subject yourself to substandard sound from a substandard product all for the hipstery of it, while you can get cabled studio quality in-ear Etymotics for 75% of that, and those are going to last you much longer?

      End-of-life for stuff like Airpods is not determined by the time a device becomes inoperative but by the time a device becomes unhip. 2 years is plenty for the guys who upgrade yearly to Apple's next overhyped release.

    28. Re:Not a problem by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the in ear ones are painful as are any headphones that press on my ears. The hanging ones like these work better, not that I’ve purchased any.

      [John]

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    29. Re: Not a problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I spend that much EVERY DAY on sodas and snacks. Who fucking cares about $7/month.

      Brother, if you're spending $7 EVERY DAY on sodas and snacks, you may not live long enough to have to worry about replacing those Air Buds when the battery dies in six months.

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    30. Re:Not a problem by tsa · · Score: 1

      I just bought a pair of in ear headphones (wired) at AliExpress for € 0,80. That’s almost € 0,00 per month...

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  3. O Brave New World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But old clothes are beastly," continued the untiring whisper. "We always throw away old clothes. Ending is better than mending, ending is better than mending, ending is better â¦"

    1. Re:O Brave New World by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      If you figure $50 an hour for labor, you're looking paying over $100 in labor and parts when you can just buy new ones for $150

    2. Re:O Brave New World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >fixing airpods costs over $100

      Man, you pretty much gave that to me on a silver platter.

    3. Re: O Brave New World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and so, you are an idiot imbecile who pays $150 for a stupid piece of plastic junk.

    4. Re:O Brave New World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's taking time off work to mend their clothes? The "if you figure $x an hour" argument is ridiculous.

    5. Re:O Brave New World by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      If you figure $50 an hour for labor, you're looking paying over $100 in labor and parts when you can just buy new ones for $150

      It's almost as if you're unable to imagine a different design where it's intentionally easy to replace the batteries.

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  4. Disposable brings recurring revenue by misnohmer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is by design. Making serviceable goods yields very little revenue, especially with "right to repair" laws coming to public focus lately. Apple ran out of innovation, so now they have to survive selling services and disposable accessories - earpods, headphone adapters, charging cables. Why do you think Apple makes everything proprietary? Because even charging cables break and are disposable and Apple doesn't want to miss out on the recurring revenue. I don't use Apple products, but my family does, and they go through cables and adapters at a fairly steady rate (they stop working, not lost).

  5. Right to repair by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now will people believe me when I say Right to Repair won't accomplish what they think it will? It'll just end up pushing manufacturers to create unrepairable products, to force you to buy a new one when it breaks.

    Instead, treat it like a lease - force manufacturers to extend the warranty to cover whatever period they won't allow you to repair it. With control comes responsibility. They want to exert control over something after they "sell" it to you, then they're also responsible for fixing it until they cede that control. If they make it unfixable, then the warranty should default to some upper threshold like 5 or 7 years. If an unfixable product breaks within 5 or 7 years, the manufacturer has to replace it at no cost to you.

    That'll encourage product designs which are reliable and fixable, and discourage repair lock-in unless the manufacturer is prepared to eat the cost of all the repairs during the lock-in period.

    1. Re:Right to repair by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      I'd rather be able to fix it myself -- not all parts of the world are convenient to an authorized repair store. It's a damned battery -- it wouldn't be hard to make it removable.

    2. Re:Right to repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll just end up pushing manufacturers to create unrepairable products, to force you to buy a new one when it breaks.

      You mean what they're doing, but now, and you're giving them a pass at a mere 5 to 7 years.

      That'll encourage product designs which are reliable and fixable, and discourage repair lock-in unless the manufacturer is prepared to eat the cost of all the repairs during the lock-in period.

      You won't encourage them to hire engineers. They'll hire lawyers to get them out of any responsibility by inserting subclauses to everything and finding every legitimate justification they have to skip out.

      As usual, Solandri, you are a lying idiot.

    3. Re: Right to repair by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

      All you will accomplish with such a plan is to drive up prices and make products unaffordable to many who can afford them now.

    4. Re: Right to repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like or no? You make the call

    5. Re:Right to repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now will people believe me when I say Right to Repair won't accomplish what they think it will? It'll just end up pushing manufacturers to create unrepairable products, to force you to buy a new one when it breaks. Instead, treat it like a lease - force manufacturers to extend the warranty to cover whatever period they won't allow you to repair it. With control comes responsibility. They want to exert control over something after they "sell" it to you, then they're also responsible for fixing it until they cede that control. If they make it unfixable, then the warranty should default to some upper threshold like 5 or 7 years. If an unfixable product breaks within 5 or 7 years, the manufacturer has to replace it at no cost to you. That'll encourage product designs which are reliable and fixable, and discourage repair lock-in unless the manufacturer is prepared to eat the cost of all the repairs during the lock-in period.

      Or better still, introduce right to repair laws, and tack-on automatic manufacturer warranty extension if they try to pull that shit. Apple says, "oh yeah? you wanna be able to repair it legally? Well, we'll just make it physically impossible to repair..." to which the government says, "you know how your headphones have a 90 day warranty? Well, now it's a 5 year warranty. If it breaks within that time, you must provide, at no cost, a new replacement. NOT a refurbished or rebuilt or re-manufactured one... a NEW one." And if Apple and other similarly criminal organizations posing as businesses don't like that... start taxing them at 100% of gross until they comply.

      Solved.

    6. Re:Right to repair by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Now will people believe me when I say Right to Repair won't accomplish what they think it will? It'll just end up pushing manufacturers to create unrepairable products, to force you to buy a new one when it breaks.

      Not if the law is written sensibly, requiring that parts be made available for a period of time and that products be designed in such a way that consumable parts, such as batteries, are easily replaceable.

      Instead, treat it like a lease - force manufacturers to extend the warranty to cover whatever period they won't allow you to repair it. With control comes responsibility. They want to exert control over something after they "sell" it to you, then they're also responsible for fixing it until they cede that control. If they make it unfixable, then the warranty should default to some upper threshold like 5 or 7 years. If an unfixable product breaks within 5 or 7 years, the manufacturer has to replace it at no cost to you.

      I kind of think that if a product fails without abuse within ten years, it ought to be replaced. If a product lasts ten years, it will probably last forty. If you let companies build things that last three, they will last three. That said, I'm fine with consumables not being covered under such a long warranty, so long as they are designed to be readily replaceable.

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    7. Re: Right to repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, just like cars.

      Equity? Fuck no!!! You pay and pay and pay until it's repoed!

    8. Re:Right to repair by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The EU likes putting stickers on products. For example, when you buy a vacuum cleaner there is a sticker showing how well it cleans on carpet and on hard floors, how much dust it emits from the exhaust, how much energy it uses, and how loud it is. When you get on a plane there is a sticker that shows how efficient it is on an A-G scale.

      So why not put a repairability sticker on electronics? iPods get a G rank, high glue content, expected lifetime 18 months before the battery reaches 80% capacity.

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    9. Re:Right to repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except the actual cost of these is more like 50 bucks to the manufacturer, its a cheap rite off and the junk still piles up in the landfill..just make it serviceable!

    10. Re:Right to repair by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Now will people believe me when I say Right to Repair won't accomplish what they think it will?

      That's a very certain comment about what people think and what will be achieved given that legislation has not been written. Are you a time traveler from the future? Tell us, did we end up destroying the planet or did we get a clue at some point?

    11. Re: Right to repair by sad_ · · Score: 1

      All you will accomplish with such a plan is to drive up prices and make products unaffordable to many who can afford them now.

      we would be going back to where we came from, when indeed everything was way more expensive, but generally lasted much longer and was easier to repair (or it was easy to find somebody who could repair it for you).

      also, i don't think anybody really _needs_ airpods, compared to maybe things like a washing machine, etc. so it doesn't really matter that those things would be expensive (btw, i find them already expensive enough not to want them anyway).

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  6. The right to throw away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's version of the right to repair. You have the freedom to try, but you'll fail. Makes a mockery of its environmental friendly energy and whatnot image polish.

    1. Re:The right to throw away. by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      Apple's version of the right to repair. You have the freedom to try, but you'll fail. Makes a mockery of its environmental friendly energy and whatnot image polish.

      Yes, products like this should make them environmental pariahs, but they will buy carbon credits to make up for it. Really!

      And the more often you have to replace them the more carbon credits they (well, actually you) will buy!

      Green, green Apple! ROFL.

  7. Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Informative

    iFixit Teardown Reveals Apple's New AirPods Are 'Disappointingly Disposable'

    I generally don't like to throw things away so I'll go out of my way to repair them but I don't think I've ever seen a set of earbuds that did not fit that description. Even the legendary 3,5mm jack equipped corded earbuds and headphones are a bitch to re-solder to a new jack when the cord gives in to metal fatigue because the copper wires are coated and very, very, very fine and delicate. In fact, apart from the big over-ear headphones from brands like Sennheiser for which you can **GHASP** actually get spare parts, headphones in general are somewhere between a nightmare and impossible to (economically) repair.

    1. Re: Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

      Iâ(TM)ve never even considered fixing headphones unless itâ(TM)s just the foam, and replacement pads arenâ(TM)t easy to find for most models. Even if the battery never wore out, people would still complain these arenâ(TM)t serviceable.

    2. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true, athough there are some people who are remarkably skilled at it--mostly in jail, because they're high value items and worth repairing (because you can only have so many pairs on your books).

      You'd be fuckin' amazed what a dope fiend can do with nail clippers and a bit of saran wrap when they want to listen to the radio in jail.

    3. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Have you ever paid $150 for headphones?

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    4. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Sennheiser HD600's were $450 back in the 90's.
      The ear pads need to be replaced and I'm on my third cord.

      Airbuds are crap.

    5. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      By all accounts the AirPods hold up reasonably well, it's just that after 18 months or so the battery is knackered and only lasts a couple of hours.

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    6. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by iampiti · · Score: 1

      That's why decided to research if there were any headphones (in-ear earbuds in my case) with replaceable cables. Turns out they do exist. There's the MMCX standard many use and there're other propietary ones.
      I ended up buying a pair of MEE audio M6 and I'm happy so far. We'll see if the buds themselves last more than the cable and so the replaceablity is actually useful.

    7. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      That's why decided to research if there were any headphones (in-ear earbuds in my case) with replaceable cables. Turns out they do exist. There's the MMCX standard many use and there're other propietary ones. I ended up buying a pair of MEE audio M6 and I'm happy so far. We'll see if the buds themselves last more than the cable and so the replaceablity is actually useful.

      There are some Bluetooth Sennheiser and Bose headphones (and probably other brands) that come with a cord as an option. The corded Sennheisers also often have a replaceable cord which is one reason I buy them, I like the option of having different cords. However, smaller headphones and earbuds are generally a lost cause since they are designed to be single use (irrespective of manufacturer).

    8. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Have you ever paid $150 for headphones?

      I have a high quality set of noise cancelling corded headphones from Sennheiser that cost me $370. If you want good quality, expect to pay more than $5 at the thrift store. Nothing amuses me more than audiophiles who bought a $8.95 set of earbuds from Sony on Amazon and them posted outraged reviews about how they expected awesome audio quality and didn't get anything even close from a set of $8.95 earbuds. Thing is that (1) if you think you're going to get the same quality audio out of earbuds as on-ear or over-rear headphones think again, (2) you bought the cheapest model of the worst type of headphone (3) there are actually earbuds in the $150 range and there is a very distinct difference in the Audio quality between a set of Bose SoundTrue Ultra earbuds and Sony's $8.95 model.

    9. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      By all accounts the AirPods hold up reasonably well, it's just that after 18 months or so the battery is knackered and only lasts a couple of hours.

      I agree with that, most of the battery powered headphones that I have bought used to have user replaceable batteries but now the fashion seems to be to make them batteries internal which is an annoying general trend in the headphone market. That being said I've not had any major problems with my battery powered Sennheiser over-ear phones yet that have an internal battery. You can get spares fairly easily from Sennheiser and once you figure out how to take them apart the battery is usually attached with a snap-on connector. On the one time I had Sennheiser earbuds it was a Bluetooth model and the cables insulation became frayed before the battery gave in.

    10. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Non-replacable batteries should be illegal. Aside from anything else it makes recycling or even safe disposal of e-waste difficult, because lithium batteries are quite dangerous.

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    11. Re: Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Would you repair those 350 dollar headphones? I would try (and I have in the past)

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    12. Re:Repairing earbuds is a punishment in hell ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but I don't think I've ever seen a set of earbuds that did not fit that description

      How many earbuds have you seen that rely on a battery to operate?

      Even the legendary 3,5mm jack equipped corded earbuds and headphones are a bitch to re-solder

      None of my 3.5mm jacks or speakers have ever "worn out" after 2 years.

      headphones in general are somewhere between a nightmare and impossible to (economically) repair.

      Headphones in general will happy still work 20 years later. The only thing I've had to replace on any set of headphones in the past 20 years was the foam, and that was almost universally a click out / click in 1 minute job, even replacing the foam or rubber on earbuds is easy.

      So why shouldn't it be for a battery?

  8. What a waste of money! by Iwastheone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did IQs suddenly drop while I was away? You could feed a family of four with what these cost. When they stop working you just throw them out?! I have a few decent $8 earbuds from over 5 years ago that still work and sound perfect to this day. In my opinion, they make people look ridiculous, at least Spock and Uhura's earpieces looked better on them than these things. I weep for the future.

    1. Re: What a waste of money! by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Fees a family of For for $150 over a 2 year period? Maybe in the DPRK.

    2. Re:What a waste of money! by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      BEHOLD
      https://www.amazon.com/Mpow-Bl...

      I just have 3 of these I cycle through the work day. Full charge is about 4 hours, tap the button to turn on/off/pause/play
      If you accidentally switch to Chinese language mode, may God have mercy on your soul.

      Why anyone would buy airpods over this is a mystery to me.

    3. Re:What a waste of money! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I especially like the comments from the people who depreciate these toys. When I apply the same approach to my headphones (top of the line Sennheisers) I get $3/month and everyone thought I was crazy for spending money on them in the first place. Those same people have these shitty things.

      Idiots. Idiots everywhere.

    4. Re: What a waste of money! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I canâ(TM)t use sealing style buds. I can guarantee the microphone on those are crap which is a requirement for me. I spend hours a day on conference calls. To date I have not found a device that can match Airpods conference call capabilities. The fact that they work for music too is just a side bonus.

    5. Re:What a waste of money! by jittles · · Score: 1

      Did IQs suddenly drop while I was away? You could feed a family of four with what these cost. When they stop working you just throw them out?! I have a few decent $8 earbuds from over 5 years ago that still work and sound perfect to this day. In my opinion, they make people look ridiculous, at least Spock and Uhura's earpieces looked better on them than these things. I weep for the future.

      How many $8 headphones does my dog have to rip out of my ears for this to be economical? About 20 pairs. Now realistically I used to spend about $10-12 a pair and my dog would accidentally destroy a pair once every 8-10 months. Not that she was trying to destroy them, but she gets excited and prances around me (not even jumping on me) and accidentally snags a dangling wire and now I've lost a pair of headphones and potentially damaged my phone. A good pair of bluetooth headphones will run you $120 easily. But it's a hell of a lot cheaper to throw these away than to have a phone destroyed because your dog ripped it out of your hands by the headphone wire. Thankfully she has never broken a phone.

      I will say that prior to getting the dog I probably would go 5+ years per pair of headphones and was more likely to lose them than to ruin them.

  9. Only if you're a minimalist by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Average income after paying for essentials is less than $1000/mo. Even if you look at just the $50k-$70k income range, it's only about $1200/mo. At $7/mo, you're spending ($7/$1200) = 0.6% of that on headphones. Or put another way, you can only afford to own 171 such toys. Even a minimalist owns 1.5x as many things. What you're proposing is not a sustainable lifestyle unless your income is substantially higher.

    (Of course the counterargument is that you shouldn't be buying these unless you're making six figures. You should be buying wireless headphones which cost on the order of $25 instead.)

    1. Re:Only if you're a minimalist by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Wired headphones that cost $10 and a phone with a real 3.5mm headphone jack, not a flagship phone that's a work of art-fartism.

    2. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by registrations_suck · · Score: 0

      My wife and I make $200K/year between us:

      That breaks down like this:
      Taxes: $60K
      Retirement savings: $30K
      Childcare: $16K
      Mortgage (all-in): $12K
      Utilities: $12K
      Food: $12K
      Education savings plan: $5K
      Healthcare: $4K

      We spend nothing on car payments or cable TV.

      I think I can justify spending a whopping $7/month on some headphones.

    3. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you could figure out how to increase your 15% savings rate to 45% then retire in under a decade. If you want to spend the rest of your life working so you can afford random things like expensive headphones then go ahead, so long as other people aren't forced into making the same choice.

    4. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Or I could just have my wife whacked, collect life insurance and retire right now!

    5. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, you really sound like a Cocaine addict justifying why they can afford Cocaine.

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    6. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, rich man. You put as much in your retirement as I make in a year. Sorry to soil the view from your ivory tower with my poor filth. You can go back to swimming in your money now.

    7. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Do you think it is at all possible that people simply find value and utility in different things?

      Do you think it is at all possible that you spend money on shit I would view as a total waste and would not spent one penny on?

    8. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Hardly. I doubt we live any better than you do on a daily basis. Putting money away for the future is probably the only real difference. Granted, it is a big difference, but it does not affect day to day living.

      Are you single? If so, you can at least double your household income by getting and staying married. It helps a lot. Good luck to you.

    9. Re: Only if you're a minimalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Justify that cocaine habit you junky. At least your wife has a part time job sucking dicks to keep up with it. Good show mate!!

  10. Not unreasonable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People expect these things to be light weight and water proof. You can't exactly make something like that which is easy to crack open and repair. People need to check their expectations against reality.

  11. products like this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    should NOT be on the market. unless the manufacturer provides repair service at a reasonable cost for a reasonable amount of time (10 years, i'd say for these, or more, would be an expected lifespan if the batteries were serviceable) and pays into a fund that guarantees the buy-back of them for recycling and further provides for other environmental efforts.

    1. Re: products like this.. by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Right. So you would prefer a lot less products be in the market, and the ones that to cost a lot more than they do now.

    2. Re: products like this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's neither here nor there. Make some sense.

    3. Re: products like this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. So you would prefer a lot less products be in the market, and the ones that to cost a lot more than they do now.

      And stay workable a whole lot longer. Sure. The lifestyle products a "civilized" person churns through leaving mountains of garbage is nothing you can civilized in good faith. And every stupid condiment needs its own individual non-reusable packaging. Capitalism has bested communism because manipulating greed works and is profitable. But equating profitable with good is not really leading to a better world.

  12. Too true by dohzer · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're horribly disposable. Sometimes I see them on the footpath, so people must just throw them on the ground instead of binning them.

  13. In the Ear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bluetooth Chip "In the Earbuds"? Gee, that sounds healthy for the brain. (Not).

    1. Re: In the Ear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because that tiny little toy radio inside the little toy headphone is a threat to your health as opposed to all of the radio and tv transmitters which operates at hundereds of thousands or millions of watts that have been pumping your body full of RF energy all of your life. Not to mention all of the Ham radio sets, CB/commercial trancievers, and even the electric wiring in your home. ::huge eye roll::

  14. Why would you throw them out? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    When they stop working you just throw them out?

    Why would they stop working if they are well sealed?

    If they start to not last as long, you can have Apple replace the battery.

    And if they are dead dead you can turn them into Apple for recycling.

    The reason they are popular is they work really well, are a good size, and are more comfortable (to me) than any other earbud I have used. They do things like auto-stop playback when you take one out, the charging case is a really nice way to approach charging.

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    1. Re: Why would you throw them out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Behold the Apple fanboy willing to justify anything.

  15. Anyone surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone .. anyone.. anyone??

  16. Well at least they can be charged on the iairpower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ohhhh ....
    too soon?

  17. Where does it stop? by kiwioddBall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Repairability has to stop somewhere.

    I mean, say your CPU fails tests. Are you expected to be able to replace individual transistors in your CPU to repair it - clearly not, they are microscopic. It can't be done because that is the way the technology is manufactured.

    So where do you draw the line - it appears the line is somewhere between full sized headphones which can be repaired, and airpods which are probably manufactured by machines and a human never goes near them in the manufacturing process.

    1. Re:Where does it stop? by iampiti · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, IMO, anything that uses a battery should be possible to have it replaced. The rest would depend and it'd be hard to draw a line but the possibility to replace a battery should definitely be there. Otherwise it's just programmed obsolescence

    2. Re:Where does it stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not even close to a cogent argument.
      The better example would be having to throw away the computer because the processor or how about the cmos battery died.
        Its a fucking battery! It will die and render the product useless, make it replaceable!

    3. Re:Where does it stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is where I draw the line; making a product that could be repairable - unrepairable.

      I point to smart phones that have batteries inside sealed cases. The phone could be designed so that when the batteries eventually go bad, they can easily be replaced. But they aren't because...fashion. Oh, and selling you a new phone is good business.

      As for Apple wireless ear buds -
      Would you abandon a perfectly working car because the gas tank is empty?
      Would you buy a car, no matter how expensive and fashionable, if the gas tank was sealed?
      Would you buy a car built with non-standard bolts so that your only repair option is the dealer?

    4. Re:Where does it stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, why bother with an oil change, throw the car out.

      Everything is soldered together for no reason anyways right.

  18. This is how Apple makes money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a $10 item, turn it into a disposable consumption item, charge $200 for it, and then brag about how "green" and "environmentally atoned" your business is.

    If you buy Apple products, you are part of this problem.

  19. What would be funny.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...If an Apple millenialhipsterfanboiette opened up an apple product and found swastikas, bible verses (and not the 'kind' ones) and pro-Trump propaganda scrawled all over the inside of the case with "-and we got your money, fag!" as a final gut-punch.

  20. Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's worse than the garbage Apple spews by telling everyone how environmentally friendly Apple is? The literal garbage Apple generates by making products which don't last very long, and cannot be repaired or upgraded.

  21. So they're shit but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're better than everyone else's gold because they are Apple!

  22. iFixit isn't benevolent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iFixit is a parts/tool store. They rate products based on the number of accessories they can sell to help people fix/break them at home. If they can't find anything to shill, the product will get a bad review.

  23. also by Texmaize · · Score: 1

    Your idea of product life warranty also encourages REAL environmentalism. Instead of being an i-poser CEO who claims to be green, but then makes products that are designed to last 2-3 that use horrific CVD processes. Nice idea.

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  24. Fix AirPods? A legit question, but not the best by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 0

    If I spent $200US for a burned-out lightbulb you bet you arse I'd be fixing it rather than throwing it away. Now go back to ruining the economy from your penthouse office you crappy 1%er.

    A better question would be: who the fuck wants a pair of crappy headphones for literally 10 times what they're actually worth?

    Apple eliminated the headphone jack to save money AND to make MORE money, (having recently acquired Beats, a wireless headphone maker,) by trying to force users to buy something ELSE just to get BACK to the level of functionality and utility they previous had with their older phones, i.e., their own proprietary Bluetooth "+" (basically) headphones or Beats, which I understand incorporates similar proprietary technology to make them interoperate with iPhones and other Apple products (maybe) a tiny bit better (W1 chip) and thus giving them an unfair advantage in the marketplace. (Cough cough microsoft cough cough...)

    If Chevrolet pulled this shit, (for example, just to illustrate how nuts this all is,) this is what it would look like:

    The all-new 2020 Chevrolet Camaro will be 7 percent lighter than in previous years, because it does not come with a trunk. "At Chevy," they'll announce, "we're freeing drivers from having to have a trunk!" Where the trunk would have been, the Camaro will now have mounts on the backside of the passenger compartment where you can attach an optional Chevrolet "yTrunk". The reason for this is that yTrunk is so super-advanced it's detachable!

    "Chevrolet's new yTrunk opens from the bottom instead of top or back; the floor of yTrunk lowers to the ground for loading and unloading, so you don't have to hoist things up and OVER the back of the trunk." (Audience applauds.) "Starting with a base volume of 20 liters storage space, yTrunk will sell for only $1,795, and is available to buy starting today online or at your local Chevrolet Store!"

    Market analysts will opine that Chevy decided the target market for the Camaro would rather have the car weigh 100 fewer pounds, and pay nearly two grand (after taxes and fees) to get a trunk with whiz-bang features they never knew they were supposed to want. "Essentially, it's a lift-gate, so you can just place stuff ON the trunk's floor, and it hoists what you put on that up INTO the trunk," they'll say. It even comes with its own little gas tank, they'll enthuse, because Chevy didn't want it to have to be plumbed into the fuel system of the car itself. That would be dangerous, hard to implement, and defeat the purpose if they designed it to be in any way capable of getting power to operate from the car's fuel source. On the down side, it uses fuel constantly whenever the car's in motion to keep the bottom from dropping to the roadway; and needs to have fuel to raise or lower the bottom. If you let it run out of fuel, not only does the trunk become useless, it loses all your groceries or whatever you had in the trunk if you hit the slightest bump. Naturally you can find out how much fuel is left in THAT tank, but you have to press several buttons on the dashboard just to see what the level IS.

    If you don't remember to fill the tank every time, (and NO, you can't just plumb it into the car's gas tank,) it becomes effectively useless dead-weight as you're driving around town, or down the freeway and maybe even a road-hazard and legal liability for you.

    Someone will then ask, (at a Chevy Product Launch event in the Louis Chevrolet Auditorium,) why they deliberately reduced the utility of one of their best-selling and most important and iconic cars, didn't lower the price versus previous years' models, (indeed, raised it,) and made it so people had to pay through the nose for something that they already HAD and worked just fine in previous generations of Camaros... moreover, he or she will ask, why do this when the new one has smaller capacity, could get lost, needs to be independently powered to open or close, and could so easily dump its contents while

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    1. Re:Fix AirPods? A legit question, but not the best by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 0

      * GET IT? See what I did there?

      Apple's CEO gave an utter bullshit one-word explanation for why they'd fixed something that wasn't broken and in the process BROKE it even worse than it wasn't already, when he stated, "Courage".

      Apple Inc's name starts with an 'A,' the bullshit excuse started with 'C.' I reversed it, since the car company's name starts with 'C', so I picked a synonym for the word, but which itself starts with 'A'!

      LOLOLOL... I hope y'all had anywhere near as good a time reading this as I did writing it. :) In context of other businesses' approaches to business, Apple is beyond fucking ludicrous.

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    2. Re:Fix AirPods? A legit question, but not the best by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I think they'd offer a wireless trunk, which is basically a little robot that follows you around.