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Are We Experiencing a Burnout Epidemic? (washingtonpost.com)

"Burnout is everywhere," reports the Washington Post.

"Caused in part by social media, the 24-hour news cycle and the pressure to check work email outside of office hours, it could hit you, too -- especially if you don't know how to nip it in the bud..." A recent report from Harvard and Massachusetts medical organizations declared physician burnout a public health crisis. It pointed out the problem not only harms doctors but also patients. "Burnout is associated with increasing medical errors," the paper said... Ninety-five percent of human resource leaders say burnout is sabotaging workplace retention, often because of overly heavy workloads, one [2017] survey found. Poor management contributes to the burnout epidemic. "Organizations typically reward employees who are putting in longer hours and replace workers who aren't taking on an increased workload, which is a systematic problem that causes burnout in the first place," says Dan Schawbel, research director of Future Workplace, the firm that conducted the survey along with Kronos

Part of the difficulty of pinpointing true burnout may be because burnout is a nonmedical term -- at least in the United States. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders doesn't list it as an illness. But other countries including France, Denmark and Sweden, do recognize burnout syndrome and consider it to be a legitimate reason to take a sick day from work.... For those who suspect they might be on the road to burnout, there are practical tools to mitigate it. Among others: physical exercise, sleep and positive social connection (the real kind, not the Facebook kind).

The Post also ran a follow-up article which suggests that to fight burnout, companies need to set reasonable work hours -- and develop a culture encouraging breaks and vacations.

174 comments

  1. Stability, Max $, and Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pick 2 out of 3 and shaddap.

    1. Re:Stability, Max $, and Fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Furry, MLP, Futanari. Pick all three.

    2. Re:Stability, Max $, and Fun by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Not even that. It's Moral Injury: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Because Physicians aren't doing what they dreamed of doing, which is help the patient. The patient has become a product, and the physician is a wealth generator for the medical system.

      This guy explains it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
  2. Falsifiability? by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there any sort of guideline/range/fuzzy-logic-set of behaviors or symptoms that indicate that you are definitely not/likely not/maybe/likely/definitely experiencing or approaching burnout? It seems like you'd want to be able to definitely rule it out as something that you're experiencing, unless it's an issue of work/life balance, which never seems to be possible.

    1. Re:Falsifiability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      /fuzzy-logic-set of behaviors

      Well if you find yourself suddenly running for President thinking you'll lose as a cynical ploy to drum up investment and campaign money to steal for your other failing investments you're decades underwater on, you might be experiencing some burnout as a money launderer for multinational mobsters and multi-bankruptcy insurance fraud administrator... does that answer your question? Try new things, you might get lucky.

    2. Re:Falsifiability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you might die in Federal and/or state prison.

    3. Re:Falsifiability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RRRRUUUUssssssiaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

    4. Re:Falsifiability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there is a simple guideline. You can check out some videos on youtube and look at the guy in the videos. If you do not look like creimer, it means that you are fine.

       

    5. Re:Falsifiability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Painfully Honest Tech, Review Tech USA and Boogie2988 are doomed then.

    6. Re:Falsifiability? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Troll

      If we cling to this idea that everything has to be falsifiable we will never make any progress and open ourselves up to abuse. It's the argument employers use to fend of lawsuits - "you can't prove that working 60 hours a week for months on end caused your stress, and what even is stress anyway, are you sure it's not just gas?"

      We see positive results from people having a better work/life balance. We see people working more and more, and being unable to disengage from work due to things like having work email on their phone. Those involved cite burnout as the cause.

      It might be coincidence, but I bet they would feel better if they did something about it.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:Falsifiability? by ath1901 · · Score: 2

      Yes, there are a self questionnaires:
      Maslach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      and there's also this which I can't find an English version of:
      KES/KEDS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      Last time I looked the risk seems to be related to long term lack of recovery and not the stress itself. From what I remember, as long as your stress doesn't affect your recovery (sleep etc) you have a low risk of clinical burnout. Once it starts affecting sleep and preventing recovery there is an increased risk.

      If we assume lack of recovery is the real cause and then guess a lot, it could explain the current trend. There would not be one single factor but many like the increased efficiency of many jobs where simple and repetitive tasks are eliminated (thus fewer short breaks for the brain). Smartphones also remove a lot of short mental breaks when our brains used to rest (for example during commutes or waiting for the water to boil).

  3. Epidemic? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    If there was a way to make it contagious, I bet there would definitely be a push to address it somehow.

    1. Re: Epidemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consumerism is spread by keeping up with the jones.

      Honestly one could easily compartmentalize their life such that they can eat the minimum amount of inexpensive food to maintain health, purchases the minimum amount of inexpensive clothing to function. Use the library for growth and entertainment and live within a reasonable distance to work, market and library from their tiny house

    2. Re: Epidemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with having "the social life" with those who do value those things. But hey, if you're happy and in good health, fine.

    3. Re: Epidemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your burnout vaccine today!

      IT'S MANDATORY

      Available at your friendly local gestapo station.

    4. Re: Epidemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use the library for growth and entertainment and live within a reasonable distance to work, market and library from their tiny house

      Library? There is no reason to go there, ever. Poor people use those as a way to access the internet, which seems to be their primary purpose in the modern age.

  4. A symptom of the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Work til you drop, then we replace you.

    1. Re: A symptom of the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as I read the first few items in the list and #1 wasnâ(TM)t more work under worse conditions for less pay, I rolled my eyes and jumped to the comments. Our work lives are worse than ever.

    2. Re: A symptom of the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were partially to blame for that because we've allowed it to happen. Some of the major early labor movements and unionization powered these changes. There needs to be a modern labor movement but people don't seem interested.

      With near unified voice, labor holds all the cards. We seem to have either forgotten that or grew to a size where we can no longer effectively self organize for these sort of efforts.

    3. Re: A symptom of the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our work lives are worse than ever.

      Than ever? You're a retard. 150 years ago your place of employment didn't have to give a shit about you being killed on the job. There was no OSHA.. No Health & Safety... Want overtime pay? Fuck you! Do the job or you'll be replaced. Maternity leave? Go bang yourself...

      Yeah.. our work lives are totally worse than 150 years ago..

  5. Murica ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No chance of things ever changing there.

    The whole slavery "thing" is deep in their DNA.

    They're all battery hens that are too ignorant to realise it.

    Sad.

  6. repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "i.

    don't

    give

    a

    fuck."

    that's how to avoid this so-called burnout. when you have no fucks to give.. life is absolutely grand.

    (in the presence of others, such as your boss, best to 'think it' not say it).

    1. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You too can be doing an entry-level job in your 50s simply by not giving a fuck! Hurray!

    2. Re:repeat after me... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or stick your nose outside the USA, where workers actually have protections -- government health insurance, mandatory vacation time, mandatory sick leave, mandatory limits on working hours. The US "dog eat dog" model isn't the only one on this good green Earth.

    3. Re:repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Or stick your nose outside the USA, where workers actually have protections -- government health insurance, mandatory vacation time, mandatory sick leave, mandatory limits on working hours. The US "dog eat dog" model isn't the only one on this good green Earth.

      Well then - your method will soon take over the world, and your hated USA will reside on the scrap heap of history, while you celebrate your win. We here in the US are hoping to emulate the wonderful history ot Europe, the home of peace and tranquility - always hass been, always will be.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    4. Re:repeat after me... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia, NZ, Argentina, Chile are all decent places to live and have over 30 paid days of time off per year by law. This isn't only in Europe -- this is most of the non-US world. Not everyone wants to "take over the world". Some of us just want to live comfortably and have some fun while we're here.

    5. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish it was so simple. The company I work for was acquired by an American company. Now I have two colleagues taking sick months due to burnout, and more will follow. This was unheard of before the acquisition, and more people have left the company in a single year than in 20 years before. The American style of management is like cancer.

    6. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you believe in a just, kind, and compassionate God.

      Evidence casts doubt on this, so you may well expect a trend towards suffering, misery, and exploitation.

    7. Re: repeat after me... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that you are here always pushing an ideology to try to take over the world.

    8. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "You too can be doing an entry-level job in your 50s simply by not giving a fuck! Hurray!"

      Right because it's mandatory for everybody to work their ass off for that 8K TV, or the McMansion, or that big SUV that never sees any off road action, and be too damned stressed and burned out to really be able to enjoy the damn things.

      I had to "I don't give a fuck" many times because it was either that, or die of a stroke, or maybe end up in a padded cell.

    9. Re:repeat after me... by sfcat · · Score: 2

      Australia, NZ, Argentina, Chile are all decent places to live and have over 30 paid days of time off per year by law. This isn't only in Europe -- this is most of the non-US world. Not everyone wants to "take over the world". Some of us just want to live comfortably and have some fun while we're here.

      You clearly don't know the history of Argentina or Chile then. And Nordic countries with large nationalized oil funds to pay for expansive social programs are nice if you can get them but unless your country is lucky enough to have those properties, its likely that their policies won't work for you like you (all of us really) wish they might.

      --
      "Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
    10. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's the system endorsed by Jesus and God themselves! Just complaining about it makes you a commie pinko terrorist nazi jihadist whatchamacallit!

      Remember, the USA is the bestest country in the universe! Or at least that was the bullshit that everybody was drilling into our heads' while we were growing up.

    11. Re:repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Australia, NZ, Argentina, Chile are all decent places to live and have over 30 paid days of time off per year by law. This isn't only in Europe -- this is most of the non-US world. Not everyone wants to "take over the world". Some of us just want to live comfortably and have some fun while we're here.

      One of the most fascinating parts of your statement is that the USA wants to take over the world. That's just so interesting. A subthread about burnout, and you turn it into your seething hatred of the USA by bringinh in that we want to take over the world? Well here's a story that should cause you to orgasm......

      Was it a mistake for the USA to get involved in WW2, when peace loving countries like Germany and Japan were ruthlessly attacked by this ware that the Imperialists in the USA started. As the countries russhed to become part of the Axis powers, and install a new world of peace and contentment, a world where individuals had as much freedom as was possible to have. But the criminals in the USA went on mission after mission, destruction of these peace loving peoplesd who never even fought back, until the poor misunderstood and legally elected pacifist governments of Germany and Italy and Japan were subjugated by the US and it's one world government unmercifully crushed them.

      There ya go Sparky - Your rather messed up history of the world could use a new fake story.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    12. Re:repeat after me... by dryeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps when Germany declared war on you, you should have surrendered. At least we wouldn't have to listen to your bullshit about saving the world out of the goodness of your heart when it was purely self defence.
      You've done very well by sitting out the serious wars as long as you could and finding weak countries to dominate.
      You've also done very well by forcing the world to use your dollar so you can borrow like there's no tomorrow, therefore artificially jacking up your economy. What kind of shape would the USA be in if they had to actually pay for stuff. Wish I could run my household like that, put everything on the credit card and brag about how successful I am while buying tons of weapons on credit to threaten my neighbours and support some of the worst human rights violators in the name of freedom.

      --
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
    13. Re: repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Only if you believe in a just, kind, and compassionate God.

      Surely not the angry homicidal Desert Gawd - I know that much for certain.

      Evidence casts doubt on this, so you may well expect a trend towards suffering, misery, and exploitation.

      It doesn't work like that, and I hope you are being facetious. Any government resides on the will of it's people. And while there have been some rumblings, by and large, we aren't too concerned that some places get a month off.

      And while it doesn't fit in with the narrative, a lot of us get a goodly amount of time off. I got 27 days of regular vacation, 2 personal holidays, 2 weeks off at Christmas. Oh - and unlimited sick days.

      The strange narrative people have about 'Murrica is pretty much stereotyping.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    14. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it a mistake for the USA to get involved in WW2, when peace loving countries like Germany and Japan were ruthlessly attacked by this ware that the Imperialists in the USA started

      Nice lie by omission. If the US hadn't gotten involved in WWI, there wouldn't have been a WWII. Of course, that would have meant an even earlier exit for Goldman Sachs and friends (did you know that the UK just only recently made the final payments of their WWI loans?),the continued existence of the autocratic monarchies in Europe and the US would never have become a super power.

      Maybe that the great war would have arrived anyway but in the shape of a gigantic civil war like in Russia. We will never know. But don't pretend you're some kind of hero, or that there were no self interest in your past meddling.

      Finally, arriving late for the cleanup party for your past sins and then pretending to be a saviour is disgusting and nothing to be proud of.

    15. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "i.

      don't

      give

      a

      fuck."

      that's how to avoid this so-called burnout. when you have no fucks to give.. life is absolutely grand.

      (in the presence of others, such as your boss, best to 'think it' not say it).

      Clearly you don't get it when burnout is often caused by excessive workload, in which the overwhelming majority of us cannot walk into work with "no fucks to give", you moron.

      Perhaps we shouldn't be taking advice from those who are likely unemployed for many valid reasons.

    16. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, the USA is the bestest country in the universe! Or at least that was the bullshit that everybody was drilling into our heads' while we were growing up.

      Really? Find me a country that doesn't do that same shit.

      Nationalism and Patriotism sure as hell aren't American inventions.

    17. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virtually no other country does it anything like the US does.

    18. Re: repeat after me... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      As a correction, Australia has 20 paid days off per year for full time workers, ten days sick pay accumulating to 90 days, plus one rostered day off per month, plus long service leave accruing at 10 days per year and available after 10 years of more, plus 12 paid public holidays, together with weekends, that means you work nominally half the year and have half the year off. That is not an ideology, technically the ideology is what created that. So the ideologies encapsulated in that would be, 'A Fair Go', "Work to live don't live to work", and probably "You don't be a Jack Cunt just because you have money", what brought it about was probably compulsory voting and thus a very high worker vote turnout.

      Probable response to rabid dog eat rabid dog US ideology, "Yeah right, fuck off mate" and the US does continually try to subvert Australian politics, continually but keeps a civil tongue in it's head because if it doesn't it would play out quite poorly (whilst the participation of Americans in Australia political discussion is accepted as just normal stuff, the participation of the US government in Australian politics is totally unacceptable and to be condemned and is when exposed and the careers of Australian politicians destroyed with the merest scent of US government hooks).

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    19. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "excessive workload" is just as much YOUR FAULT, as it is your employer's.

      Think about it. How you got into the 'situation' in the first place. There ya go... work it a little more. Yup. B-I-N-G-O.

      DO NOT WORK* FOR FREE

      *where 'work' includes being "on call", which includes being available after hours to answer phone calls or emails or respond to employer-defined "emergencies" requiring a workplace or client visit

    20. Re: repeat after me... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:repeat after me... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Most useless anecdote ever, you don't say what part of the world you live in or what industry you work in.

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    22. Re: repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      27 days paid? You're clearly not the norm in the US.

      True enough. The total is almost two months once the holiday time is included.

      Here's the thing that'll really piss of the vacationphiles - I didn't take all of mine. I've discussed that with people here before, and they think I'm nuts. I am results oriented, and if something needed done, I would always do it.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    23. Re: repeat after me... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Whether or not you take holiday should always be reasonably easy to chose, I think if you don't take your allotted holiday then you should be paid for it. I particularly liked having the ability at one of the companies I worked for to be able to flex a week this way from 25 days to either 20 or 30 (excluding ~8 bank holidays).

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    24. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most that means unionize, which is scaary to a few.

    25. Re:repeat after me... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem with not giving a fuck is that you then become the guy making the minimum amount of effort to avoid getting fired and your career stalls.

      Some places have an unfortunate attitude where taking on more stress is the way to be rewarded with more money, or worse non-monetary perks.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    26. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of shape would the USA be in if they had to actually pay for stuff.

      Oh you mean like NATO? Or are you referring to events in that timeframe, like the reconstruction of Germany?

      President Charles DeGaulle: "France is out of NATO; all U.S. troops must be evacuated off of French soil."
      Secretary of State Dean Rusk: "Does that include the soldiers buried there?"

    27. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of shape would the USA be in if they had to actually pay for stuff.

      Probably still in better shape the EU and the rest of the western countries would be if they had to pay the full cost for their own militiary defence and research. Zing!

      Don't underestimate the economics benefits of controlling half a continent.

    28. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps when Germany declared war on you, you should have surrendered. At least we wouldn't have to listen to your bullshit about saving the world out of the goodness of your heart when it was purely self defence.
      You've done very well by sitting out the serious wars as long as you could and finding weak countries to dominate.
      You've also done very well by forcing the world to use your dollar so you can borrow like there's no tomorrow, therefore artificially jacking up your economy. What kind of shape would the USA be in if they had to actually pay for stuff. Wish I could run my household like that, put everything on the credit card and brag about how successful I am while buying tons of weapons on credit to threaten my neighbours and support some of the worst human rights violators in the name of freedom.

      These arguments are pointless. Why do Europeans constantly go on about the US, where most people are so well off?

      What about Africans? How many paid vacation days per year are guaranteed in Côte d'Ivoire or Gabon?

    29. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Australia gave the USA Rupert Murdoch, founder of Fox News and other media companies.

      Your hands aren't clean. ;-)

      --Ashley

    30. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 because the moderators have decided that the world needs MORE apathy right now

    31. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about who invented it, it's about how and to what levels it's implemented. And the brainwashing done in the US is scary. It's literally Nazi levels compared to everywhere else.

    32. Re: repeat after me... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Not at all. It just requires you to stand up for yourself. The correct phrase is "Your failure to plan ahead is not my emergency." This is not a card you should pull out for minor stuff, like an extra hour here and there, because if you do, people will hate you. You'll just have to instinctively know the right time to pull out that card. And when you do, you'll be surprised how quickly others follow suit, because they will know that it is necessary.

      The thing is, the worst they can do is fire you. And if they do, they just hasten the demise of the team, which will burn out even faster and more horribly with fewer people. So usually they won't do that. But if they do, then you should count yourself lucky, because it means you escaped from a toxic work environment relatively unscathed.

      And if they don't, what will happen is that the manager who screwed up will be forced to stop lying to the person one level higher, and the right people will take the time to figure out a way to solve the problem without killing employee morale.

      Either way, you win. The only way you lose is if you let an employer abuse you or those around you.

      Also, the best way to prevent this is to nip it in the bud early. When you see others overworking themselves, don't be afraid to encourage them to relax and detach. Make sure they know that the world won't end if they take a vacation. After all, it only takes a couple of people doing that to make others feel guilty for not doing so, and over time, that can slowly grow into a situation where you or someone else might end up playing the "not my emergency" card.

      But the most important thing of all is to be willing to say "no". When you realize that what you're being asked to do is infeasible in the time allotted, say so. Immediately. Don't let it go until the week before the deadline when everybody is panicking. And if you aren't sure, set a bunch of targets for when you think individual pieces will be ready, and the very first time you miss one of those deadlines, insist on a schedule review to pick what functionality to cut and/or to determine how many additional people to hire so that you can meet the final ship date.

      If you do these things *consistently* and encourage other, newer, younger employees to do the same, you can cultivate an environment that doesn't have bulls**t schedule "crunches" and other artificial failed-management-induced nonsense. And you'll develop a reputation for getting things done reliably and on time, because you won't allow yourself to take on more than is possible. And as long as most workers are willing to do that, management will say, "You know what, we don't have the people to do this," and they'll hire more people.

      It doesn't take unions. It just takes skilled people who know their own limits and encourage the next generation of workers to also know theirs. That, and recognizing when you've walked into a toxic nightmare and getting out, and telling others so that they don't make the same mistake.

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    33. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap, I must have missed the army marches around our capital buildings. I must have had my eyes closed when they were aired over the radio, TV, and YouTube. I am so low class that I couldn't get a kush job working for the US govt and am stuck in private sector. I wonder if my comeradas will ever figure out I skipped out on mandatory army training & service.

    34. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there is a "kind compassionate god", its it certainly not the one in the Big 3

        NOT joking here, but I find it highly disturbing that in the 21st century, people are still worshipping a god that is very geo-centric to the middle east (yes they tacked on some bullshit to 'correct' this later on but it's so blindingly obvious), seems to be suffering from extreme Schitzophrenia ("I'l love you!" "I'll KILL you!" "I'll torture you FOREVER!" "I love you!"....), is very carnal including loving the smell of burning flesh and resorting to extreme violence, is VERY insecure (the Bible flat out states that he is a JEALOUS god), will mass murder the innocent for the action of a few, even including children, babies, pets and livestock! I could go on an on, but I would check out evilbible.com as this points all of these things out an more and which Bible verses say them. And we are supposed to believe that these are all of these are actions of a "perfect" entity.

        I was monstered into Christianity at a very early age, and it wasn't too long before I was smelling bullshit. Brainwashing and fear kept me in it for a very long time, but as time went on, I saw all of the hypocracy, the contradictions, the fear tactics, and just about everything else wrong with that religion. Not to mention some people are so wracked with Stockholm Syndrome regarding this savage monster, they come up to you, all cheery and like plastic robots all drained of real humanity which was replaced by religious programming, trying to get you to convert. I've dealt with them more times than I care to remember, but they don't creep me out any less.

    35. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>NOT joking here,

        I mistakingly left out that what I was not joking about was that the Christian/Jewish/Muslim god was invented by primitive goat herders who were located in what is still the most dangerous, violent region of the world, who were most likely fucking the animals they kept. Again, I am not joking; what else do you do when you you are horny as hell, in one of the shittiest and often lonley parts of of the world, and you live the same boring day over and over and over again. They most likely contracted Syphillis which slowly destroyed their minds, and of course the M.I. was/is not conductive to good mental health to begin with. So they invented these religions, maybe at first just to pass the time, and might never have intended for it to ever become a religion, but something happened, likely deteriorating mental health, and they began believing their own crap that they were writting. And then they went and got others to believe and convert to their newly invented religion. Momentum gained, and you know the rest of the story.

    36. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Could you list more than one nordic country with a large nationalized oil fund? Because I live in a nordic country and know zero. I do know one with a national oil fund, which is not the same thing. That still leaves out the question of who all these other nordic oil fund countries are?

    37. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany, software development.

    38. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, this is an Arby's.

  7. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better to burnout than to rust out. Onward capitalist machine! To our deaths with a whimper...

  8. Re: This is about pathetic millennials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aw, they have to work to earn money. My heart bleeds for their plight. Poor things.

  9. Rent a cabin.. by steveb3210 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I rented a primitive cabin in NH this winter where there was no cell service within 10 miles. We had no power, plumbing - just a wood stove.

    And it was fantastic...

    1. Re:Rent a cabin.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I rented a primitive cabin in NH this winter where there was no cell service within 10 miles. We had no power, plumbing - just a wood stove.

      I hope you at least had cable Internet, and didn't have to rely on DSL. That would be rough.

    2. Re: Rent a cabin.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope he had a CB radio or some other means to contact emergency services should the need arise. :\

      10 miles through woods while you are suffering a major medical emergency and can't even work your car to drive for help is no fun to say the least. :\

    3. Re:Rent a cabin.. by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

      Good to hear you are still around, Heisenberg. :-)

    4. Re: Rent a cabin.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      10 miles through woods while you are suffering a major medical emergency and can't even work your car to drive for help is no fun to say the least. :\

      lol. Afraid to tread beyond the concrete edge?

      I have been in the wilderness five days travel from the nearest road. Not even a search party with helicopters could find someone under the thick canopy 200 miles away from the nearest hospital. Many people do this. It's called backpacking. It's glorious, not scary.

      Take responsibility for yourself and you will never live in fear of being alone.

    5. Re: Rent a cabin.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope he had a CB radio or some other means to contact emergency services should the need arise. :\

      10 miles through woods while you are suffering a major medical emergency and can't even work your car to drive for help is no fun to say the least. :\

      And I believe that you sum up one of the main reasons for burn-out: the constant social coddling. Please don't get hurt, be without an income, get shouted at or offended, experience discomfort or hunger or boredom, even temporary... Life gets much simpler and more enjoyable if you do not need to constantly have all the "must haves" that society wants you to have.

    6. Re: Rent a cabin.. by steveb3210 · · Score: 1

      There were 8 of us, so someone would be able to drive and this cabin was right on the road... We've done the cabins where you hike a half mile into the woods uphill before but our middle-aged bones don't carry camping gear uphill like they used to...

       

    7. Re: Rent a cabin.. by mapkinase · · Score: 2

      When the time comes, just do it, don't bother with manifestos.

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  10. Yes - there is an epidemic of mindblowing burnouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes - there is an epidemic of mindblowing burnouts - and I love it!

    Burnout Fever

  11. Americans are fat and lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People in other countries burnout because they work hard.

    1. Re: Americans are fat and lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theose people work hard so they can afford to become fat and lazy... they don't make it.

  12. Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I switched to this new job, in part because of their "unlimited vacation" policy. And as you are able to predict, I fell for some bullshit. My first year there I took like 3.5 weeks off when HR sent me a letter saying I needed to keep it under 3 weeks. Like wait a second, I thought it was UNLIMITED (as long as I got my shit done)?

    I understand that companies do "unlimited" to prevent paying out for unused vacation time, but to limit it seems like the company wins both ways. I'm aware of plenty of coworkers who take less than a week vacation off per year. Morons.

    I would GLADLY give up some pay for more vacation time. How do companies not realize employees need time to recharge their mental batteries, and it is at the benefit of the company to let them do so. Someone needs to teach companies and HR departments that after a certain point, more time spent in the office will only offer diminishing returns, and they truly need to support a work-life balance, not just say they do.

    1. Re:Probably by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Remember that letter from HR. Find a job that offers 3-4 weeks time off (state, Federal, and local government jobs are great for this, so's teaching). Then walk out with 15 minutes' notice. Tell the asshats at HR -- "I'm respecting this company as much as you respected me. Buh-bye..."

    2. Re:Probably by Travco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I asked my union to bargain for more vacation instead of a raise. Guess how popular I was at work.

    3. Re:Probably by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Fuck popularity -- it should be all about your comfort and enjoyment of life, not about working for the company till you die. You don't owe them a damned thing.

    4. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can totally get why that is an unpopular opinion but I feel the same way. I'd give up some pay for more time off. But no, they'd rather see me in my seat (but don't tell them I'm doing absolutely nothing...)

      So apparently now I either need to request a leave of absence, or I need to find a new job whenever I feel like taking a few extra weeks off per year.

    5. Re:Probably by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Can't you sue for something like this? I mean, it was basically falsely advertised.

    6. Re:Probably by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      When you work for a union, do you need to socialize these kinds of things with your other union members first? Seems like if you're part of a union and have enough mad skillz to frequent Slashdot, your cash flow/vacation balance may be better than that of your fellow union members.

    7. Re:Probably by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      What kind of a crappy union wouldn't fight for both?

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    8. Re: Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, then get demoted, blackballed and blacklisted. Corps enjoy certain feedback, when they can laugh at you, not when it actually means something.

    9. Re:Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not worth it. But if he had it in writing (which he probably doesn't really, I'm sure it's full of fucking legalize and limitations), he could probably take full advantage, get fired, collect unemployment and get a new job after a month living like a hobo (funner than it sounds).

  13. In the case of doctors... by Uncle_Meataxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The shortage of doctors in the US may be, in part, to blame for their long hours and burnout. Their professional organizations have limited the number of medical school and residency slots, which partly explains how they're paid about twice as much as those in other developed countries. Given that a large majority of freshmen entering US universities have pre-med aspirations, there is no lack of potential doctors in the US. More reading here:

    The problem of doctors’ salaries
    https://www.politico.com/agend...

    1. Re:In the case of doctors... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, once you finish residency, you CAN work shorter hours. Locum tenens, per diem hospitalist, part-time all are options. Remember, doctors are in demand, so it's relatively easy to find work that's less than full time.

      You just need not to have a large amount of student loans. State school for undergrad, state school, scholarship, or Eastern European country for medical school. Perfectly doable if you plan for it and you know you want to finish your residency, then be able to slow down.

    2. Re:In the case of doctors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is by design. The more doctors you have, the more actual care you can give. The more actual care you can give, the greater the costs of doctors and materials. Money moves to the low end of the food chain. The high end of the food chain gets less. To maximize profits at the high end, you need for all doctors to be stingy in their care. Overworking them results in this. They are forced to make choices.

    3. Re: In the case of doctors... by TheMeuge · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The problem with doctors' salaries?
      Fucking seriously?
      How arrogant and self absorbed can you be?
      Are you going to decide what everyone should make? Can you do all their jobs?
      It took me 19 years after college to finish my training. Are you really going to have the balls to tell me that I'm making too much because I worked 100 hours a week for over two decades and had to be at the competitive edge the entire time?
      Fuck you, you self important twit.

    4. Re: In the case of doctors... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      If you're artificially limiting competition to get that salary, then yes.

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    5. Re: In the case of doctors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're overtrained. Denying medicine by making it too expensive is proving far more deadly than the failures of lesser trained people.

    6. Re: In the case of doctors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it takes you nineteen years after school to finish training, you are a fool or a dilettante.

      Based on the anger in the rest of your post, I'm guessing both.

      Training is never finished. Even when you retire, unless you are a brain dead hate monger, you will still be learning and training yourself in new things.

    7. Re:In the case of doctors... by techdolphin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I host and produce the Medicare for All Explained podcast in collaboration with Physicians for a National Health Program. Yes, doctors are experience burnout, but often that burnout is caused by having to deal with insurance companies. Doctors have to fight insurance companies to get them to approve necessary treatments, and often the treatments are covered. Doctors have to figure out what drugs are on their patients' insurance plans. These activities take time away from patients. Doctors don't want to spend time fighting insurance companies. They want to help and treat their patients, which is why a majority of doctors favor a single-payer Medicare for All system.

      Second, doctors salaries are a minor problem when it comes to health care costs. Administration costs caused by our fragmented multi-payer health care system is why our health care costs are so high. Doctors spend on average $100,000 on billing and insurance related costs (BIR). If we got rid of insurance companies, doctor's salaries would be more in line with other countries, and they still might have more disposable income. Hospitals have a similar problem. In the U.S. we average about one billing clerk per hospital bed. In Canada a hospital system with just over 1,270 beds has only seven billing clerks. We have more that 931,000 hospital beds in the U.S.

      The doctors' tax is not the problem. It is the tax from keeping our fragmented multi-payer health care system with insurance companies. A single-payer system would resolve these problems.

    8. Re:In the case of doctors... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Give you a tip as to why there's fewer clerks per-bed in Canada. Though this varies a bit by province, in Ontario for example, a hospital must run a balanced budget. A surplus is acceptable but it must be reinvested into the hospital. In other words, regulation and requirements of such is what limits the numbers. If that didn't happen, you'd see the same thing as the US. Also keep in mind, that said hospital may be owned by the city, county, or the province itself.

      We don't have two-tier care here, everyone gets the same level. Ontario after the last election started opening up private for-profit clinics for cataract surgery for sample though, because a wait time of 2 years 'in the system' was the norm. But that's rare, and the government tries not to let it happen. Now you might ask why, when it can be so beneficial. Well, here's the kicker. Because there's a "set level" of care mandated by law, allowing people to pay for care creates the two-tier system, something that the courts and federal governments of the past have aggressively gone after provinces for.

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    9. Re:In the case of doctors... by will_die · · Score: 2

      According Bureu of Labor Statistics there are around 68,740 medical billings clerks in the USA; there are 6,210 hospitals in the USA. So doing some simple math you get an average of 11 billing clerks per hospital There are 931,203 staffed beds in those hospitals for an average of 14 beds per billing clerk.

      Going by the numbers you fabricate we can see why you think medicare for all would work. But nice anecdotal story about a single hospital with 1,270 beds and seven billing clerks.
      The number of medicals clerks is more properly explained by number of hospitals. In Canada you have around 1,500 hospitals vs the 6,210 in USA. Assuming you want a minimum of 2 billing clerks per shift you get the average number.

    10. Re:In the case of doctors... by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      The shortage of doctors in the US may be, in part, to blame for their long hours and burnout.

      Listening to the residents that I support talk, it's a bit more complicated than that. There is both a shortage of doctors and a shortage of positions in the US. If you they wanted to move to a small town or even city, there is no shortage of demands for Attending physicians. Trouble is that most would rather go to the big city and work for a larger hospital, which have full staff. Add in a spouse who has some sort of profession also, perhaps also a doctor, and it makes it harder to relocate to a smaller population center. Then comes in the nighthawk centers that deal with things remotely for those rural hospitals as well as smaller urban ones that are cutting positions. Then you have clinics, for which many exist because of games the insurance companies are playing with getting them to compete with hospitals to drive down what they pay even farther. My experience may be slightly atypical as we are a research hospital so all the doctors including the residents are there for research which is handled at mostly the larger hospitals if just for needed data. Still, this is a conversation I have overheard many times over the years without even trying.

  14. Re: This is about pathetic millennials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop whining, coaltards.

  15. I agree, might be time for a break by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I can see where people would indeed be at risk of too much Burnout, given how many releases they have had.

    The answer might be to take a step back for a while, and maybe not play the game that is Burnout.

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    1. Re:I agree, might be time for a break by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I can see where people would indeed be at risk of too much Burnout, given how many releases they have had.

      The answer might be to take a step back for a while, and maybe not play the game that is Burnout.

      Too much burnout and you end up playing Half Life.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  16. Re: I work for myself & produce great wares... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we ban this retard spammer already? Between his hosts file shit and his antisemitic shit, it's time for APK to go away permanently.

  17. Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop IMPERSONATING me lying & proof portfilter err's can't happen https://news.slashdot.org/comm... in my work!

    u IMPERSONATE me & also ADMIT u have a /. acct & STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE ac https://hardware.slashdot.org/... - YOU got ISSUES.

    That's "best ya got"?

    u WISH u were ME (as ur POOR imitation = the sincerest form of flattery).

    WASTING ur life STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon OR IMPERSONATING me?

    Make a Wheel https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di... as I did giving users more speed/security/reliability & anonymity NATIVELY doing more for less vs. ANY single 'solution' via the best hosts file multiplatform!

    APK

    P.S.=> I BLOW U AWAY https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    1. Re: Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiplatform?

      Bullshit, you still are incapable of delivering a MacOS version.

  18. No! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Betteridge's law of headlines says so.

    1. Re:No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is 'Betteridge's law of headlines' anything more than empty bullshit?

      Betteridge's law of headlines says no :)

  19. for GENERATIONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For generations people would go to work, work, go home, and repeat. Then, some narcissistic hipsters who are obsessed with so many unimportant things (except for doing their jobs, working, etc.) come along and bitch about how hard it is, and then get burned out. Boo hoo.

    1. Re: for GENERATIONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe those hipsters were educated and unlike the generations before them and realized what really is important in life--hint, it wasn't work.

      I get one life to live and have a set of basic needs and wants. After that, why should I dedicate my time on this earth to enabling someone else be disproportionally more successful simply because they were born before me in a specific point of structure in out society?

      If I'm going to work at burnout levels, I'm going to take the risk and start a business. I'm not going to sacrifice those precious resources of my life for someone else any more than I have to.

    2. Re: for GENERATIONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to miss the point. Your "burnout levels" of work are paltry compared to that of previous generations. As for those people born before you---try thanking them for supporting your "important" life. When they are done supporting you, who is going to pay for your food, shelter, and healthcare? Look at what happened to the last generation that valued life experiences over all else, because that's what is going to happen to you.

  20. EAT YOUR WORDS jealous "Lil' Jowie"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: APK Hosts File Engine 1.0++ 64-bit for MacOS h t t p : / / a p k . i t - m a t e . c o . u k / A P K H o s t s F i l e E n g i n e F o r M a c O S . z i p

    Yields more security/speed/reliability/anonymity vs. any 1 solution (99% of threats use hostnames vs. IP address most firewalls use) more efficiently/FASTER + NATIVELY 4 less!

    Vs. "Bolt on 'MoAr' illogic-logic" slowing u hosts speed u up 2 ways: Adblocks + Hardcode fav. sites u spend most time @ vs. competition loaded w/ security bugs (DNS/AntiVir) + overheads slowing u (messagepass 'souled-out' to advertisers easily detected & blocked addons + firewall filtering drivers) & their complexity leads to exploitation!

    * ONLY 1 of its kind in GUI 4 MacOS!

    (Better vs. Windows model)

    APK

    P.S.=> Protects against ALL known & unknown vulnerabilities. Now supports port filters in hosts. My work is world-class & China copied it because they can't do better. I am God's gift to Slashdot... apk

  21. Hey APK... take your spam and go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't want your hosts file spam, antisemitic bullshit, or your harassment of SuperKendall and raymorris. Go away. You're not welcome here.

    You've reached a new low by posting very specific threats against SuperKendall. You're 54. Act your damn age.

  22. Millenials... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Millennials. They just can't handle it, just like everything else in their lives. They can't take care of themselves. They can't hold a job. They can't leave their parent's house. They can't make a bowl of cold breakfast cereal. On, and on, and on...the excuses flow like the Amazon. (The river, that is, but it may as well be the flow of packages from the other Amazon.)

    The only thing they CAN do is blame everything and everyone else.

    1. Re: Millenials... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm so that would make you one of the worse generations in raising progenity ever. Congrats retard!

  23. Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MacOS model's not done: Stop IMPERSONATING me lying & proof portfilter err's can't happen https://news.slashdot.org/comm... in my work!

    u IMPERSONATE me & also ADMIT u have a /. acct & STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE ac https://hardware.slashdot.org/... - YOU got ISSUES.

    That's "best ya got"?

    u WISH u were ME (as ur POOR imitation = the sincerest form of flattery).

    WASTING ur life STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon OR IMPERSONATING me?

    Make a Wheel https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di... as I did giving users more speed/security/reliability & anonymity NATIVELY doing more for less vs. ANY single 'solution' via the best hosts file multiplatform!

    APK

    P.S.=> I BLOW U AWAY https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

  24. Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And not just physical but mental exhaustion. Because we're not shovelling coal all day people expect us to be just as quick, attentive and efficient after 10 solid hours doing mentally taxing work as we were when we walked in the door.
    When you're taxing your brain for practically every second you're awake it, like every other muscle, is going to get tired and you're going to fuck up, be slower and generally less able to do what you do.

    1. Re:Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was told I only have to work 12 hrs each day on my days off this weekend so that "I can still have a life"...

    2. Re:Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And not just physical but mental exhaustion. Because we're not shovelling coal all day people expect us to be just as quick, attentive and efficient after 10 solid hours doing mentally taxing work as we were when we walked in the door. When you're taxing your brain for practically every second you're awake it, like every other muscle, is going to get tired and you're going to fuck up, be slower and generally less able to do what you do.

      The whole business of burnout and exhaustion is actually a pretty complex issue, based on the individual's personality and temperament.

      Some people have problems handling surprisingly small amounts of work, some love loads of it. Then there is the issue of depression, which raises whole other issues. A depressed person is very likely to feel burned out, or the two things can be intermixed.

      I personally find having a lot to do invigorating. And I've worked with people who find work itself stressing. They also tend to get pissed off at me.

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    3. Re:Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had to stay at home with my wife, I'd commit suicide. There is worse than work.

    4. Re:Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bad choice, not ours.

  25. Do you KNOW what "multiplatform" means? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you KNOW what "multiplatform" means? It IS already multiplatform (Linux/Windows) & I'll do the MacOS version @ my own pace & timeframe WHEN I NEED IT 1st (which I will WHEN I finally DO "fire up" my new Mac-Mini)- & I've LONG AGO said what's "holding me back" - LINUX!

    * I really like Linux - a LOT (easier to secure than Windows by FAR & IF I need "deep level code"? It's there - no "hidden" NTDLL.DLL API bs Windows had (undocumented API etc.)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Have YOU DONE BETTER? OH, fuck no - so STFU troll loser "ne'er-do-well" LAZY do-NOTHING zero bitch, lol... apk

  26. Re: WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you ever get burnout from your job at the truckstop?

  27. Re: WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you validly prove APK works at a truckstop? Let's see your proof.

  28. Wah! Waaah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wah Waaah....said the lazy, unskilled, hipster-wannabe millennial. I would not be surprised that this one barely has to performed 10 seconds of "quick, attentive, and efficient" thought during the 8 hour (not 10) shift at McDullards. Even France doesn't have enough cheese for this amount of whine.

  29. There is a difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burnout due to a lack of self-control or obsessive compulsive behavior is a different beast than being at the whim of external factors, and that is what is afflicting most. We are doing it to ourselves. Put the phone down, and if you can't, seek help.

  30. sick days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only slackers take sick days.

    1. Re: sick days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only jerks bring their sickness to work and make everyone else sick too.

  31. For profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The source of all this is the fact that they are managing health care as a for profit business. It cuts into the profits to hire more staff, and train them.

  32. That wasn't me & you DAMN WELL KNOW IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It was you you little fucking asshole worm. I don't post on my program unless it stops threats or solves problems of somekind. Least of all, off topic.

    HOWEVER: I did post ON TOPIC here https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & then you little shitbrain DO-NOTHING jealous "jowie" losers posted your bullshit.

    * FUCK OFF LOSER!

    APK

    P.S.=> There is NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO STOP ME POSTING THOUGH - get THAT thru your PUNY microcephalic cretin SKULL (LMAO Ask WHIMPSlash lol, 2++ yrs. now HE FAILED punk millenial he is, lol)... apk

  33. Re:BREAK LYING FAGGOT KENDALL'S NECK INSTEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big if true.

  34. Think of the shareholders! by danbuter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Implementing the vacations/more sick days/ etc would negatively affect stock values for shareholders. This is actually illegal for a corporation to do in the US, without providing concrete facts stating that it would lead to higher yields (good luck with that).

    1. Re:Think of the shareholders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What law makes that illegal?

    2. Re:Think of the shareholders! by danbuter · · Score: 2

      https://www.reddit.com/r/law/c... for a great rundown.

    3. Re:Think of the shareholders! by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Implementing the vacations/more sick days/ etc would negatively affect stock values for shareholders.

      Citation very much needed. Because most of the existing research shows that reducing employee work hours doesn't impact productivity. Employees do something like 30 hrs of real work every week, if that. Making them happier and less stressed ups productivity rather than reducing it.

      And if you really think that it's illegal to do something like this, then put your money where your mouth is and buy some stock. Pull out the research that more hours doesn't mean more productivity, and costs the company more in salaries and business expenses, and sue them.

      At this very moment the flip side of the coin is happening, and if it's actually something you could punish a company for doing, you could do so.

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    4. Re:Think of the shareholders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Read up on Henry Ford trying to give decent benefits to his workers against the protests of his shareholders.

      Ford won. A CEO does not legally have to maximize short term return to shareholders over all else.

    5. Re:Think of the shareholders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Implementing the vacations/more sick days/ etc would negatively affect stock values for shareholders. This is actually illegal for a corporation to do in the US, without providing concrete facts stating that it would lead to higher yields (good luck with that).

      There are no shares to give a shit about if enough fucking employees quit due to burnout.

      Stress, work/life balance, and let's not forget the inevitable ex-worker who goes "postal". Need any more concrete facts?

    6. Re:Think of the shareholders! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      And by won, you mean lost?

      In 1919 the primacy of shareholder value maximization was affirmed in a ruling by the Michigan State Supreme Court in Dodge vs. Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford wanted to invest Ford Motor Companyâ(TM)s considerable retained earnings in the company rather than distribute it to shareholders. The Dodge brothers, minority shareholders in Ford Motor Company, brought suit against Ford, alleging that his intention to benefit employees and consumers was at the expense of shareholders. In their ruling, the Michigan court agreed with the Dodge brothers:

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    7. Re:Think of the shareholders! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      And by won, you mean lost?

      In 1919 the primacy of shareholder value maximization was affirmed in a ruling by the Michigan State Supreme Court in Dodge vs. Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford wanted to invest Ford Motor CompanyÃ(TM)s considerable retained earnings in the company rather than distribute it to shareholders. The Dodge brothers, minority shareholders in Ford Motor Company, brought suit against Ford, alleging that his intention to benefit employees and consumers was at the expense of shareholders. In their ruling, the Michigan court agreed with the Dodge brothers:

      Except that's by neglecting history in showing that Ford was deliberately trying to screw over the Dodge brothers. You see, the Dodge brothers came to Ford as machinists to work at the Ford Motor Company. They worked in designing engines and such, and were quite successful at it. Enough so that Ford got quite rich doing so.

      However, anytime one of the Dodge brothers wanted more money, or even some credit, it was denied. Ford was happy keeping them in the backroom as unacknowledged people. This obviously frustrated them, and the Dodge brothers were planning on leaving (you know, to form Dodge which is why we don't find Dodge vehicles under Ford today).

      Ford basically tanked the stock value in order to make the Dodge brothers holdings rather worthless, so they couldn't just leave, sell their Ford shares and use the proceeds to start their own company. Ford did this several times, it's why he got his brother Edsel as CEO.

      So short of shenanigans like what Ford was doing with the stock in order to basically keep the Dodge brothers from leaving and forming their own company, a company has options.

      Apple is probably one of the more famous ones for basically telling shareholders to screw off - Tim Cook has shut down several votes by some large activist shareholders to stop investing in green technologies and environmentally friendly policies and just seek pure profit - Apple can make way more money if they stopped wasting it on zero carbon this and that.

      Ford was guilty because he was deliberately acting against shareholder interest by deliberating tanking the stock. Apple shareholders know that long term image is important and it's better to sacrifice short term gains for long term growth, or even just preparing for the future.

    8. Re:Think of the shareholders! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Firtsly, fair enough, I didn't know all that.

      "Apple is probably one of the more famous ones for basically telling shareholders to screw off - Tim Cook has shut down several votes by some large activist shareholders to stop investing in green technologies and environmentally friendly policies and just seek pure profit - Apple can make way more money if they stopped wasting it on zero carbon this and that."

      I wouldn't agree with those shareholders either, Apple has a public image to keep up and the shareholders clearly aren't recognising that, if Apple is caught with dirty manufacturing processes then they can easily lose customers, less customers is far worse than the tiny margin between green manufacturing and clean manufacturing, especially considering the size of Apple's profit margins. I very much doubt shareholders would win if they took that to court even if both sides had equal legal teams.

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  35. /. needs THIS "Anti-JUDEN bomb" of fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

    Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

    This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H

  36. Short answer: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not an epidemic; it's another generation having a mid-life crisis and thinking they're the first generation to ever experience it.

    1. Re:Short answer: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even shorter reply; you're talking out of your ass. You, personally, have no experience with this. Therefore it neither exist nor is a problem.

      You're an idiot.

  37. No burnout sick day in France by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    But other countries including France, Denmark and Sweden, do recognize burnout syndrome and consider it to be a legitimate reason to take a sick day from work

    Can you actually read TFA? For France, "No of subjects with acknowledged burnout syndrome (yr)" and "No of compensated subjects (yr)" is just one single person for 2015.

    1. Re:No burnout sick day in France by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Can you actually read TFA? For France, "No of subjects with acknowledged burnout syndrome (yr)" and "No of compensated subjects (yr)" is just one single person for 2015.

      France also gives you 11 public holidays per year plus a minimum of 25 additional vacation days per year, for a total of more than seven weeks off per year. So is it little wonder that they don't have the same burnout problems that we do here in the U.S., where the average high-tech worker gets only three weeks plus public holidays? Let me tell you, the difference between three weeks and five is night and day.

      In the U.S., many of us use most of our days off just for Thanksgiving and Christmas through New Year's so that the flights don't cost a small fortune, and as a result, we don't get much of a vacation at all. Yet in spite of the overwhelming evidence that this is a problem, so many C*Os still wonder why employees burn out here. Truly, they have a dizzying intellect.

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  38. Break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try a good all day beer bender - works for me everytime, busts me right out of the rut.

  39. Hire on merit by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Workers who can study, keep pace with work and can learn new ideas.
    Staff who never had to study a lot? Who never had to learn? Who never had to pass a lot of exams?
    They can't be expected to have the needed skills. Don't hire people who could not understand much about learning.
    Got some people who want to work for your brand?
    Did they study and pass their exams?
    No non academic considerations year after year?
    Did the education they got given have any actual academic part?
    Some simple questions when looking back over a persons past will find the people who can learn and study.
    They have the skills and ability to grown your brand year after year. Not just take a wage.
    No more staff that show up to work and expect to be helped and supported all day.
    Staff who arrive late and who create long weekends by not been at work.
    Stop brining people who cant and won't work into your brand and expecting them to work. They wont work.

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    1. Re:Hire on merit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short declarative sentences.
      Spelling errors galore.
      Paragraph, what's that?
      All is well, lazy workers identified as the enemy, case closed.

  40. You will hate me for this, but... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Like AIDS, this "epidemic" is the result of behavioral choices that people could clearly avoid, but decide not to.

    It's hard to sympathize when people do it to themselves.

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    1. Re:You will hate me for this, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like AIDS, this "epidemic" is the result of behavioral choices that people could clearly avoid, but decide not to.

      It's hard to sympathize when people do it to themselves.

      Uh, yes and no. Simple work pressure can create environments in which you are forced to work your ass off, which unfortunately often results in burnout.

      Sadly, those "go-getters" working 60+ hour workweeks are still valued over your "lazy" ass who's always crying about mental health and work/life balance.

    2. Re:You will hate me for this, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet it's hard for you to sympathize, cause you are a narsist.

  41. Taking on a lot... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    ... to meet expectations. After a while, it either hits you that it's just not worth it; and you choose what to do from there. Or you burnout trying.

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  42. Burnout days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they saying Americans are not taking sick time when they feel burned out or over worked? It's more likely that it's had never been studied.

    I'll take off a day or two for burnout. I call them sick days, but think of them as "mental health days". I would be genuinely shocked if this were not a common practice.

    HR has never complained. I still get my bonuses and raises. I have never been moved out of a job or even passed over for promotion (that I know of). Just because the DSM down have an entry for burnout does

  43. Dammit, I'm a hipster now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I burned out back in 2005. WAAAAAAY before it was cool.

    How I know I really had a burn-out? Let me give you an example: The fuckers dared to ask me back, twice. Even quite a few months after I walked away, the minute they asked my blood pressure probably doubled. This is not a comfortable sensation. I didn't need to say anything, people took one look at me and started backing away. I *still* can't talk about that company for more than a few minutes before my blood pressure starts to rise again. There is much more but I'll spare you the details.

    The bottom line for me is that I worked way too long, way too hard, got way too angry about the whole thing, and it had a serious physiological impact that lingered for years. Oh, and it also destroyed my career. It's really hard to get hired when all the huggy feely HR and recruiter types take one look at you and decide that you must be toxic. That wasn't the case beforehand.

    How'd you suppose you'd measure that falsifiably? Questionaires and a points system, heat cameras, what?

    1. Re: Dammit, I'm a hipster now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've left two jobs because I didn't feel like staying longer was worth it. I haven't even loaded their web pages since then.

      If a former employer is not still paying me, my interest in caring is zero. Why even think about them?

  44. Re: This is about pathetic millennials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years ago they were the entitled youngsters. Now they are adults in the real world and they, oh, feel so burnt out!

  45. Jump to conclusions much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you dumb enough to think that everyone on /. is young enough to have children that are millennials? Congrats, pillock.

  46. Burnout Epidemic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you get it society, making cocaine illegal had a high price.

  47. I burned out... or did I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was an engineer. I burned out at about 19 years... or did I.

    For my first 18 years, I worked unbelievably hard and long hours and was still effective. I won't bother detailing it because my experience in doing so is that it truly was unbelievable. People don't believe me when I describe those years.

    I loved engineering. I am a creator. Every day I still find things to create, though these days my creations are rarely technical and only for myself.

    At about 17 years into my career, I made a career mistake in taking a job that I thought was going to be an exciting engineering project. When I got there, the project turned out to be vapor and I had invested too much in the move to leave.

    They moved me into management and gave me a pay boost for the extra responsibility. I was good at it. Management is nothing after years of successful project management with vastly more variables. But it gave me zero joy. I tried for a bit. But it didn't feed me. Depression took over. Drinking, etc. I finally quit, and I wasn't able to go back.

    I've talked with many others who "burned out". In the majority, the burnout was similar to mine. I don't think it is what most imagine. It's more a disillusionment, a betrayal, or just falling off the ship and helplessly watching it sail away with no way to catch up.

    I feel that, if I hadn't made that last career move, I'd still be spending long hours creating and loving every minute of it.

    I have the life now that many claim to dream of. I dream of the life I had.

    1. Re:I burned out... or did I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grass is always greener

    2. Re:I burned out... or did I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me Too AC,
      You are not alone friend - We are all dreaming of the life we had,
      Being in the middle of a star has its drawbacks,
      Perhaps Asgardia.space will rein-spire you to get involved in some more projects,
      They are gearing up for something grand!

    3. Re:I burned out... or did I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you made the far too common mistake of merging your identity and work instead of keeping them separate.

  48. Paid holiday by MrL0G1C · · Score: 0

    I'd love to see Trump answer the question " do you think American workers should get a statutory amount of paid holiday as they do in the rest of the world."

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    1. Re:Paid holiday by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Ok, why is this flamebait?

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  49. Burned out software developer here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mostly worked for non-technical companies where IT was seen as an expense.

    And I don't want to get into specifics, but the shit they expected us to put up with was stupid. The final straw was a new and young CEO who cut my department in half while expanding our responsibilities and didn't like to see empty desks. If I got no more than an hour of sleep one night because I was making operations didn't come to a standstill, I expect to come in maybe at least an hour late the next morning.

    I finally just said fuck that.

    I can see why there is age discrimination. When I was younger I didn't mind working 12 hours a day for weeks at a time. I even enjoyed a lot of it. It even made me feel important. But there comes a time when you realize you're just being fucking taken advantage of and you realize you're just impotent and not important.

    "We're not computers, Sebastian. We're physical."

  50. Re: This is about pathetic millennials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate Progressive nazis sure do love oppressing the working class.

  51. It's you projecting YOU do it weezil... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Why would I bother raymorris (we've had diff. but I respect him: his 1 kernelpatch) or SuperKenall? They use my program & SPEAK WELL OF IT:

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    &

    take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall

    APK

    P.S.=> NOBODY can be LOWER than an uneducated PEST do-NOTHING ZERO "ne'er-do-well" that STALKS ME (& others) via your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts - & the rest of us PITY you - You doing THAT proves you are ONE MISERABLE "SOB" & nothing more & you know it... apk

  52. doctors can't just take a sick day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's comical that the author of that article thinks that a doctor can just take a sick day, let alone that they might do it for "burnout." How does that work? Do they cancel everyone on their schedule that day that has been waiting months to be seen for their health problems? Reschedule them for the first opening, probably in another two months? Would you be OK with that?

    The only sick days I remember anyone taking recently was a guy who snapped a tendon in his leg and couldn't walk.

  53. Hire more medical scribes by Dark-Helmet · · Score: 1

    Doctors have to do an unbelievable amount of tedious paperwork. Not uncommon to visit a doctor and have him just announce your $name and stare at some paper while he barely makes eye contact with you.

  54. I am sick of this America bashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, my country (USA) has a lot of fucked up things about it, some which make my blood boil, and we do have a long sad bloody history.

      So does Germany and every single country in Europe and all countries throughout the rest of the world. Every country has skeletons in it's closet, and every country is doing some really fucked up deeds, much well hidden from the public.

    "Surrender to Germany". HAHA, you're funny. I guess we couldve built the death camps in our country, and gotten rid of everyone who wasn't a white, straight, good ol' boy Christian, and the Confederate flag would be flying high nation wide. This, however would cause most people to say Do. Not. Want.

      Europe is NOT better than the USA, and they can credit their higher standard of living in HUGE PART to the actions of the United States. In fact, we had to give up much of our own for you. You're fucking welcome.

      So fuck you very much Europe for your foul, stuck up, "we are better than you hicks" attitude. I really hope the extremist Muslims take over Europe and have you idiots live under Sharia Law. That'll be fun! This time, we will not make the same mistake we made with Israel and the rest of the Middle East, and instead just sit back and watch the shitshow unfolding on your contenent. Any American politician that tries to get us to bail you people out will be hanging from a tree.

  55. Re: This is about pathetic millennials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the bitching and whining you liberal tits have about work conditions, those of us on this side are pretty sure you'd rather be the mooching class.

    You're only the working class because you haven't figured out a way to force the successful to totally carry your lazy ass through life. Only the threat of starvation & homelessness forces you to rise from your marijuana tainted hangover each morning