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Are We Experiencing a Burnout Epidemic? (washingtonpost.com)

"Burnout is everywhere," reports the Washington Post.

"Caused in part by social media, the 24-hour news cycle and the pressure to check work email outside of office hours, it could hit you, too -- especially if you don't know how to nip it in the bud..." A recent report from Harvard and Massachusetts medical organizations declared physician burnout a public health crisis. It pointed out the problem not only harms doctors but also patients. "Burnout is associated with increasing medical errors," the paper said... Ninety-five percent of human resource leaders say burnout is sabotaging workplace retention, often because of overly heavy workloads, one [2017] survey found. Poor management contributes to the burnout epidemic. "Organizations typically reward employees who are putting in longer hours and replace workers who aren't taking on an increased workload, which is a systematic problem that causes burnout in the first place," says Dan Schawbel, research director of Future Workplace, the firm that conducted the survey along with Kronos

Part of the difficulty of pinpointing true burnout may be because burnout is a nonmedical term -- at least in the United States. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders doesn't list it as an illness. But other countries including France, Denmark and Sweden, do recognize burnout syndrome and consider it to be a legitimate reason to take a sick day from work.... For those who suspect they might be on the road to burnout, there are practical tools to mitigate it. Among others: physical exercise, sleep and positive social connection (the real kind, not the Facebook kind).

The Post also ran a follow-up article which suggests that to fight burnout, companies need to set reasonable work hours -- and develop a culture encouraging breaks and vacations.

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  1. Falsifiability? by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there any sort of guideline/range/fuzzy-logic-set of behaviors or symptoms that indicate that you are definitely not/likely not/maybe/likely/definitely experiencing or approaching burnout? It seems like you'd want to be able to definitely rule it out as something that you're experiencing, unless it's an issue of work/life balance, which never seems to be possible.

    1. Re:Falsifiability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      /fuzzy-logic-set of behaviors

      Well if you find yourself suddenly running for President thinking you'll lose as a cynical ploy to drum up investment and campaign money to steal for your other failing investments you're decades underwater on, you might be experiencing some burnout as a money launderer for multinational mobsters and multi-bankruptcy insurance fraud administrator... does that answer your question? Try new things, you might get lucky.

    2. Re:Falsifiability? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Troll

      If we cling to this idea that everything has to be falsifiable we will never make any progress and open ourselves up to abuse. It's the argument employers use to fend of lawsuits - "you can't prove that working 60 hours a week for months on end caused your stress, and what even is stress anyway, are you sure it's not just gas?"

      We see positive results from people having a better work/life balance. We see people working more and more, and being unable to disengage from work due to things like having work email on their phone. Those involved cite burnout as the cause.

      It might be coincidence, but I bet they would feel better if they did something about it.

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    3. Re:Falsifiability? by ath1901 · · Score: 2

      Yes, there are a self questionnaires:
      Maslach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      and there's also this which I can't find an English version of:
      KES/KEDS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      Last time I looked the risk seems to be related to long term lack of recovery and not the stress itself. From what I remember, as long as your stress doesn't affect your recovery (sleep etc) you have a low risk of clinical burnout. Once it starts affecting sleep and preventing recovery there is an increased risk.

      If we assume lack of recovery is the real cause and then guess a lot, it could explain the current trend. There would not be one single factor but many like the increased efficiency of many jobs where simple and repetitive tasks are eliminated (thus fewer short breaks for the brain). Smartphones also remove a lot of short mental breaks when our brains used to rest (for example during commutes or waiting for the water to boil).

  2. Epidemic? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    If there was a way to make it contagious, I bet there would definitely be a push to address it somehow.

  3. repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "i.

    don't

    give

    a

    fuck."

    that's how to avoid this so-called burnout. when you have no fucks to give.. life is absolutely grand.

    (in the presence of others, such as your boss, best to 'think it' not say it).

    1. Re:repeat after me... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or stick your nose outside the USA, where workers actually have protections -- government health insurance, mandatory vacation time, mandatory sick leave, mandatory limits on working hours. The US "dog eat dog" model isn't the only one on this good green Earth.

    2. Re:repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Or stick your nose outside the USA, where workers actually have protections -- government health insurance, mandatory vacation time, mandatory sick leave, mandatory limits on working hours. The US "dog eat dog" model isn't the only one on this good green Earth.

      Well then - your method will soon take over the world, and your hated USA will reside on the scrap heap of history, while you celebrate your win. We here in the US are hoping to emulate the wonderful history ot Europe, the home of peace and tranquility - always hass been, always will be.

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    3. Re:repeat after me... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia, NZ, Argentina, Chile are all decent places to live and have over 30 paid days of time off per year by law. This isn't only in Europe -- this is most of the non-US world. Not everyone wants to "take over the world". Some of us just want to live comfortably and have some fun while we're here.

    4. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish it was so simple. The company I work for was acquired by an American company. Now I have two colleagues taking sick months due to burnout, and more will follow. This was unheard of before the acquisition, and more people have left the company in a single year than in 20 years before. The American style of management is like cancer.

    5. Re: repeat after me... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that you are here always pushing an ideology to try to take over the world.

    6. Re: repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "You too can be doing an entry-level job in your 50s simply by not giving a fuck! Hurray!"

      Right because it's mandatory for everybody to work their ass off for that 8K TV, or the McMansion, or that big SUV that never sees any off road action, and be too damned stressed and burned out to really be able to enjoy the damn things.

      I had to "I don't give a fuck" many times because it was either that, or die of a stroke, or maybe end up in a padded cell.

    7. Re:repeat after me... by sfcat · · Score: 2

      Australia, NZ, Argentina, Chile are all decent places to live and have over 30 paid days of time off per year by law. This isn't only in Europe -- this is most of the non-US world. Not everyone wants to "take over the world". Some of us just want to live comfortably and have some fun while we're here.

      You clearly don't know the history of Argentina or Chile then. And Nordic countries with large nationalized oil funds to pay for expansive social programs are nice if you can get them but unless your country is lucky enough to have those properties, its likely that their policies won't work for you like you (all of us really) wish they might.

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    8. Re:repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Australia, NZ, Argentina, Chile are all decent places to live and have over 30 paid days of time off per year by law. This isn't only in Europe -- this is most of the non-US world. Not everyone wants to "take over the world". Some of us just want to live comfortably and have some fun while we're here.

      One of the most fascinating parts of your statement is that the USA wants to take over the world. That's just so interesting. A subthread about burnout, and you turn it into your seething hatred of the USA by bringinh in that we want to take over the world? Well here's a story that should cause you to orgasm......

      Was it a mistake for the USA to get involved in WW2, when peace loving countries like Germany and Japan were ruthlessly attacked by this ware that the Imperialists in the USA started. As the countries russhed to become part of the Axis powers, and install a new world of peace and contentment, a world where individuals had as much freedom as was possible to have. But the criminals in the USA went on mission after mission, destruction of these peace loving peoplesd who never even fought back, until the poor misunderstood and legally elected pacifist governments of Germany and Italy and Japan were subjugated by the US and it's one world government unmercifully crushed them.

      There ya go Sparky - Your rather messed up history of the world could use a new fake story.

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    9. Re:repeat after me... by dryeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps when Germany declared war on you, you should have surrendered. At least we wouldn't have to listen to your bullshit about saving the world out of the goodness of your heart when it was purely self defence.
      You've done very well by sitting out the serious wars as long as you could and finding weak countries to dominate.
      You've also done very well by forcing the world to use your dollar so you can borrow like there's no tomorrow, therefore artificially jacking up your economy. What kind of shape would the USA be in if they had to actually pay for stuff. Wish I could run my household like that, put everything on the credit card and brag about how successful I am while buying tons of weapons on credit to threaten my neighbours and support some of the worst human rights violators in the name of freedom.

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    10. Re: repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Only if you believe in a just, kind, and compassionate God.

      Surely not the angry homicidal Desert Gawd - I know that much for certain.

      Evidence casts doubt on this, so you may well expect a trend towards suffering, misery, and exploitation.

      It doesn't work like that, and I hope you are being facetious. Any government resides on the will of it's people. And while there have been some rumblings, by and large, we aren't too concerned that some places get a month off.

      And while it doesn't fit in with the narrative, a lot of us get a goodly amount of time off. I got 27 days of regular vacation, 2 personal holidays, 2 weeks off at Christmas. Oh - and unlimited sick days.

      The strange narrative people have about 'Murrica is pretty much stereotyping.

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    11. Re: repeat after me... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      As a correction, Australia has 20 paid days off per year for full time workers, ten days sick pay accumulating to 90 days, plus one rostered day off per month, plus long service leave accruing at 10 days per year and available after 10 years of more, plus 12 paid public holidays, together with weekends, that means you work nominally half the year and have half the year off. That is not an ideology, technically the ideology is what created that. So the ideologies encapsulated in that would be, 'A Fair Go', "Work to live don't live to work", and probably "You don't be a Jack Cunt just because you have money", what brought it about was probably compulsory voting and thus a very high worker vote turnout.

      Probable response to rabid dog eat rabid dog US ideology, "Yeah right, fuck off mate" and the US does continually try to subvert Australian politics, continually but keeps a civil tongue in it's head because if it doesn't it would play out quite poorly (whilst the participation of Americans in Australia political discussion is accepted as just normal stuff, the participation of the US government in Australian politics is totally unacceptable and to be condemned and is when exposed and the careers of Australian politicians destroyed with the merest scent of US government hooks).

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    12. Re: repeat after me... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1
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    13. Re:repeat after me... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Most useless anecdote ever, you don't say what part of the world you live in or what industry you work in.

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    14. Re: repeat after me... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      27 days paid? You're clearly not the norm in the US.

      True enough. The total is almost two months once the holiday time is included.

      Here's the thing that'll really piss of the vacationphiles - I didn't take all of mine. I've discussed that with people here before, and they think I'm nuts. I am results oriented, and if something needed done, I would always do it.

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    15. Re: repeat after me... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Whether or not you take holiday should always be reasonably easy to chose, I think if you don't take your allotted holiday then you should be paid for it. I particularly liked having the ability at one of the companies I worked for to be able to flex a week this way from 25 days to either 20 or 30 (excluding ~8 bank holidays).

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    16. Re:repeat after me... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem with not giving a fuck is that you then become the guy making the minimum amount of effort to avoid getting fired and your career stalls.

      Some places have an unfortunate attitude where taking on more stress is the way to be rewarded with more money, or worse non-monetary perks.

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    17. Re: repeat after me... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Not at all. It just requires you to stand up for yourself. The correct phrase is "Your failure to plan ahead is not my emergency." This is not a card you should pull out for minor stuff, like an extra hour here and there, because if you do, people will hate you. You'll just have to instinctively know the right time to pull out that card. And when you do, you'll be surprised how quickly others follow suit, because they will know that it is necessary.

      The thing is, the worst they can do is fire you. And if they do, they just hasten the demise of the team, which will burn out even faster and more horribly with fewer people. So usually they won't do that. But if they do, then you should count yourself lucky, because it means you escaped from a toxic work environment relatively unscathed.

      And if they don't, what will happen is that the manager who screwed up will be forced to stop lying to the person one level higher, and the right people will take the time to figure out a way to solve the problem without killing employee morale.

      Either way, you win. The only way you lose is if you let an employer abuse you or those around you.

      Also, the best way to prevent this is to nip it in the bud early. When you see others overworking themselves, don't be afraid to encourage them to relax and detach. Make sure they know that the world won't end if they take a vacation. After all, it only takes a couple of people doing that to make others feel guilty for not doing so, and over time, that can slowly grow into a situation where you or someone else might end up playing the "not my emergency" card.

      But the most important thing of all is to be willing to say "no". When you realize that what you're being asked to do is infeasible in the time allotted, say so. Immediately. Don't let it go until the week before the deadline when everybody is panicking. And if you aren't sure, set a bunch of targets for when you think individual pieces will be ready, and the very first time you miss one of those deadlines, insist on a schedule review to pick what functionality to cut and/or to determine how many additional people to hire so that you can meet the final ship date.

      If you do these things *consistently* and encourage other, newer, younger employees to do the same, you can cultivate an environment that doesn't have bulls**t schedule "crunches" and other artificial failed-management-induced nonsense. And you'll develop a reputation for getting things done reliably and on time, because you won't allow yourself to take on more than is possible. And as long as most workers are willing to do that, management will say, "You know what, we don't have the people to do this," and they'll hire more people.

      It doesn't take unions. It just takes skilled people who know their own limits and encourage the next generation of workers to also know theirs. That, and recognizing when you've walked into a toxic nightmare and getting out, and telling others so that they don't make the same mistake.

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    18. Re:repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Could you list more than one nordic country with a large nationalized oil fund? Because I live in a nordic country and know zero. I do know one with a national oil fund, which is not the same thing. That still leaves out the question of who all these other nordic oil fund countries are?

  4. Rent a cabin.. by steveb3210 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I rented a primitive cabin in NH this winter where there was no cell service within 10 miles. We had no power, plumbing - just a wood stove.

    And it was fantastic...

    1. Re:Rent a cabin.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I rented a primitive cabin in NH this winter where there was no cell service within 10 miles. We had no power, plumbing - just a wood stove.

      I hope you at least had cable Internet, and didn't have to rely on DSL. That would be rough.

    2. Re:Rent a cabin.. by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

      Good to hear you are still around, Heisenberg. :-)

    3. Re: Rent a cabin.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      10 miles through woods while you are suffering a major medical emergency and can't even work your car to drive for help is no fun to say the least. :\

      lol. Afraid to tread beyond the concrete edge?

      I have been in the wilderness five days travel from the nearest road. Not even a search party with helicopters could find someone under the thick canopy 200 miles away from the nearest hospital. Many people do this. It's called backpacking. It's glorious, not scary.

      Take responsibility for yourself and you will never live in fear of being alone.

    4. Re: Rent a cabin.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hope he had a CB radio or some other means to contact emergency services should the need arise. :\

      10 miles through woods while you are suffering a major medical emergency and can't even work your car to drive for help is no fun to say the least. :\

      And I believe that you sum up one of the main reasons for burn-out: the constant social coddling. Please don't get hurt, be without an income, get shouted at or offended, experience discomfort or hunger or boredom, even temporary... Life gets much simpler and more enjoyable if you do not need to constantly have all the "must haves" that society wants you to have.

    5. Re: Rent a cabin.. by steveb3210 · · Score: 1

      There were 8 of us, so someone would be able to drive and this cabin was right on the road... We've done the cabins where you hike a half mile into the woods uphill before but our middle-aged bones don't carry camping gear uphill like they used to...

       

    6. Re: Rent a cabin.. by mapkinase · · Score: 2

      When the time comes, just do it, don't bother with manifestos.

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  5. Probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I switched to this new job, in part because of their "unlimited vacation" policy. And as you are able to predict, I fell for some bullshit. My first year there I took like 3.5 weeks off when HR sent me a letter saying I needed to keep it under 3 weeks. Like wait a second, I thought it was UNLIMITED (as long as I got my shit done)?

    I understand that companies do "unlimited" to prevent paying out for unused vacation time, but to limit it seems like the company wins both ways. I'm aware of plenty of coworkers who take less than a week vacation off per year. Morons.

    I would GLADLY give up some pay for more vacation time. How do companies not realize employees need time to recharge their mental batteries, and it is at the benefit of the company to let them do so. Someone needs to teach companies and HR departments that after a certain point, more time spent in the office will only offer diminishing returns, and they truly need to support a work-life balance, not just say they do.

    1. Re:Probably by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Remember that letter from HR. Find a job that offers 3-4 weeks time off (state, Federal, and local government jobs are great for this, so's teaching). Then walk out with 15 minutes' notice. Tell the asshats at HR -- "I'm respecting this company as much as you respected me. Buh-bye..."

    2. Re:Probably by Travco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I asked my union to bargain for more vacation instead of a raise. Guess how popular I was at work.

    3. Re:Probably by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Fuck popularity -- it should be all about your comfort and enjoyment of life, not about working for the company till you die. You don't owe them a damned thing.

    4. Re:Probably by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Can't you sue for something like this? I mean, it was basically falsely advertised.

    5. Re:Probably by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      When you work for a union, do you need to socialize these kinds of things with your other union members first? Seems like if you're part of a union and have enough mad skillz to frequent Slashdot, your cash flow/vacation balance may be better than that of your fellow union members.

    6. Re:Probably by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      What kind of a crappy union wouldn't fight for both?

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  6. In the case of doctors... by Uncle_Meataxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The shortage of doctors in the US may be, in part, to blame for their long hours and burnout. Their professional organizations have limited the number of medical school and residency slots, which partly explains how they're paid about twice as much as those in other developed countries. Given that a large majority of freshmen entering US universities have pre-med aspirations, there is no lack of potential doctors in the US. More reading here:

    The problem of doctors’ salaries
    https://www.politico.com/agend...

    1. Re:In the case of doctors... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, once you finish residency, you CAN work shorter hours. Locum tenens, per diem hospitalist, part-time all are options. Remember, doctors are in demand, so it's relatively easy to find work that's less than full time.

      You just need not to have a large amount of student loans. State school for undergrad, state school, scholarship, or Eastern European country for medical school. Perfectly doable if you plan for it and you know you want to finish your residency, then be able to slow down.

    2. Re: In the case of doctors... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      If you're artificially limiting competition to get that salary, then yes.

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    3. Re: In the case of doctors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're overtrained. Denying medicine by making it too expensive is proving far more deadly than the failures of lesser trained people.

    4. Re:In the case of doctors... by techdolphin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I host and produce the Medicare for All Explained podcast in collaboration with Physicians for a National Health Program. Yes, doctors are experience burnout, but often that burnout is caused by having to deal with insurance companies. Doctors have to fight insurance companies to get them to approve necessary treatments, and often the treatments are covered. Doctors have to figure out what drugs are on their patients' insurance plans. These activities take time away from patients. Doctors don't want to spend time fighting insurance companies. They want to help and treat their patients, which is why a majority of doctors favor a single-payer Medicare for All system.

      Second, doctors salaries are a minor problem when it comes to health care costs. Administration costs caused by our fragmented multi-payer health care system is why our health care costs are so high. Doctors spend on average $100,000 on billing and insurance related costs (BIR). If we got rid of insurance companies, doctor's salaries would be more in line with other countries, and they still might have more disposable income. Hospitals have a similar problem. In the U.S. we average about one billing clerk per hospital bed. In Canada a hospital system with just over 1,270 beds has only seven billing clerks. We have more that 931,000 hospital beds in the U.S.

      The doctors' tax is not the problem. It is the tax from keeping our fragmented multi-payer health care system with insurance companies. A single-payer system would resolve these problems.

    5. Re:In the case of doctors... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Give you a tip as to why there's fewer clerks per-bed in Canada. Though this varies a bit by province, in Ontario for example, a hospital must run a balanced budget. A surplus is acceptable but it must be reinvested into the hospital. In other words, regulation and requirements of such is what limits the numbers. If that didn't happen, you'd see the same thing as the US. Also keep in mind, that said hospital may be owned by the city, county, or the province itself.

      We don't have two-tier care here, everyone gets the same level. Ontario after the last election started opening up private for-profit clinics for cataract surgery for sample though, because a wait time of 2 years 'in the system' was the norm. But that's rare, and the government tries not to let it happen. Now you might ask why, when it can be so beneficial. Well, here's the kicker. Because there's a "set level" of care mandated by law, allowing people to pay for care creates the two-tier system, something that the courts and federal governments of the past have aggressively gone after provinces for.

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    6. Re:In the case of doctors... by will_die · · Score: 2

      According Bureu of Labor Statistics there are around 68,740 medical billings clerks in the USA; there are 6,210 hospitals in the USA. So doing some simple math you get an average of 11 billing clerks per hospital There are 931,203 staffed beds in those hospitals for an average of 14 beds per billing clerk.

      Going by the numbers you fabricate we can see why you think medicare for all would work. But nice anecdotal story about a single hospital with 1,270 beds and seven billing clerks.
      The number of medicals clerks is more properly explained by number of hospitals. In Canada you have around 1,500 hospitals vs the 6,210 in USA. Assuming you want a minimum of 2 billing clerks per shift you get the average number.

    7. Re:In the case of doctors... by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      The shortage of doctors in the US may be, in part, to blame for their long hours and burnout.

      Listening to the residents that I support talk, it's a bit more complicated than that. There is both a shortage of doctors and a shortage of positions in the US. If you they wanted to move to a small town or even city, there is no shortage of demands for Attending physicians. Trouble is that most would rather go to the big city and work for a larger hospital, which have full staff. Add in a spouse who has some sort of profession also, perhaps also a doctor, and it makes it harder to relocate to a smaller population center. Then comes in the nighthawk centers that deal with things remotely for those rural hospitals as well as smaller urban ones that are cutting positions. Then you have clinics, for which many exist because of games the insurance companies are playing with getting them to compete with hospitals to drive down what they pay even farther. My experience may be slightly atypical as we are a research hospital so all the doctors including the residents are there for research which is handled at mostly the larger hospitals if just for needed data. Still, this is a conversation I have overheard many times over the years without even trying.

  7. I agree, might be time for a break by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I can see where people would indeed be at risk of too much Burnout, given how many releases they have had.

    The answer might be to take a step back for a while, and maybe not play the game that is Burnout.

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    1. Re:I agree, might be time for a break by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I can see where people would indeed be at risk of too much Burnout, given how many releases they have had.

      The answer might be to take a step back for a while, and maybe not play the game that is Burnout.

      Too much burnout and you end up playing Half Life.

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  8. No! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Betteridge's law of headlines says so.

  9. Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And not just physical but mental exhaustion. Because we're not shovelling coal all day people expect us to be just as quick, attentive and efficient after 10 solid hours doing mentally taxing work as we were when we walked in the door.
    When you're taxing your brain for practically every second you're awake it, like every other muscle, is going to get tired and you're going to fuck up, be slower and generally less able to do what you do.

    1. Re:Burnout? No it's called exhaustion by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And not just physical but mental exhaustion. Because we're not shovelling coal all day people expect us to be just as quick, attentive and efficient after 10 solid hours doing mentally taxing work as we were when we walked in the door. When you're taxing your brain for practically every second you're awake it, like every other muscle, is going to get tired and you're going to fuck up, be slower and generally less able to do what you do.

      The whole business of burnout and exhaustion is actually a pretty complex issue, based on the individual's personality and temperament.

      Some people have problems handling surprisingly small amounts of work, some love loads of it. Then there is the issue of depression, which raises whole other issues. A depressed person is very likely to feel burned out, or the two things can be intermixed.

      I personally find having a lot to do invigorating. And I've worked with people who find work itself stressing. They also tend to get pissed off at me.

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  10. Think of the shareholders! by danbuter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Implementing the vacations/more sick days/ etc would negatively affect stock values for shareholders. This is actually illegal for a corporation to do in the US, without providing concrete facts stating that it would lead to higher yields (good luck with that).

    1. Re:Think of the shareholders! by danbuter · · Score: 2

      https://www.reddit.com/r/law/c... for a great rundown.

    2. Re:Think of the shareholders! by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Implementing the vacations/more sick days/ etc would negatively affect stock values for shareholders.

      Citation very much needed. Because most of the existing research shows that reducing employee work hours doesn't impact productivity. Employees do something like 30 hrs of real work every week, if that. Making them happier and less stressed ups productivity rather than reducing it.

      And if you really think that it's illegal to do something like this, then put your money where your mouth is and buy some stock. Pull out the research that more hours doesn't mean more productivity, and costs the company more in salaries and business expenses, and sue them.

      At this very moment the flip side of the coin is happening, and if it's actually something you could punish a company for doing, you could do so.

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    3. Re:Think of the shareholders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Read up on Henry Ford trying to give decent benefits to his workers against the protests of his shareholders.

      Ford won. A CEO does not legally have to maximize short term return to shareholders over all else.

    4. Re:Think of the shareholders! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      And by won, you mean lost?

      In 1919 the primacy of shareholder value maximization was affirmed in a ruling by the Michigan State Supreme Court in Dodge vs. Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford wanted to invest Ford Motor Companyâ(TM)s considerable retained earnings in the company rather than distribute it to shareholders. The Dodge brothers, minority shareholders in Ford Motor Company, brought suit against Ford, alleging that his intention to benefit employees and consumers was at the expense of shareholders. In their ruling, the Michigan court agreed with the Dodge brothers:

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    5. Re:Think of the shareholders! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      And by won, you mean lost?

      In 1919 the primacy of shareholder value maximization was affirmed in a ruling by the Michigan State Supreme Court in Dodge vs. Ford Motor Company. Henry Ford wanted to invest Ford Motor CompanyÃ(TM)s considerable retained earnings in the company rather than distribute it to shareholders. The Dodge brothers, minority shareholders in Ford Motor Company, brought suit against Ford, alleging that his intention to benefit employees and consumers was at the expense of shareholders. In their ruling, the Michigan court agreed with the Dodge brothers:

      Except that's by neglecting history in showing that Ford was deliberately trying to screw over the Dodge brothers. You see, the Dodge brothers came to Ford as machinists to work at the Ford Motor Company. They worked in designing engines and such, and were quite successful at it. Enough so that Ford got quite rich doing so.

      However, anytime one of the Dodge brothers wanted more money, or even some credit, it was denied. Ford was happy keeping them in the backroom as unacknowledged people. This obviously frustrated them, and the Dodge brothers were planning on leaving (you know, to form Dodge which is why we don't find Dodge vehicles under Ford today).

      Ford basically tanked the stock value in order to make the Dodge brothers holdings rather worthless, so they couldn't just leave, sell their Ford shares and use the proceeds to start their own company. Ford did this several times, it's why he got his brother Edsel as CEO.

      So short of shenanigans like what Ford was doing with the stock in order to basically keep the Dodge brothers from leaving and forming their own company, a company has options.

      Apple is probably one of the more famous ones for basically telling shareholders to screw off - Tim Cook has shut down several votes by some large activist shareholders to stop investing in green technologies and environmentally friendly policies and just seek pure profit - Apple can make way more money if they stopped wasting it on zero carbon this and that.

      Ford was guilty because he was deliberately acting against shareholder interest by deliberating tanking the stock. Apple shareholders know that long term image is important and it's better to sacrifice short term gains for long term growth, or even just preparing for the future.

    6. Re:Think of the shareholders! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Firtsly, fair enough, I didn't know all that.

      "Apple is probably one of the more famous ones for basically telling shareholders to screw off - Tim Cook has shut down several votes by some large activist shareholders to stop investing in green technologies and environmentally friendly policies and just seek pure profit - Apple can make way more money if they stopped wasting it on zero carbon this and that."

      I wouldn't agree with those shareholders either, Apple has a public image to keep up and the shareholders clearly aren't recognising that, if Apple is caught with dirty manufacturing processes then they can easily lose customers, less customers is far worse than the tiny margin between green manufacturing and clean manufacturing, especially considering the size of Apple's profit margins. I very much doubt shareholders would win if they took that to court even if both sides had equal legal teams.

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  11. Short answer: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not an epidemic; it's another generation having a mid-life crisis and thinking they're the first generation to ever experience it.

  12. No burnout sick day in France by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    But other countries including France, Denmark and Sweden, do recognize burnout syndrome and consider it to be a legitimate reason to take a sick day from work

    Can you actually read TFA? For France, "No of subjects with acknowledged burnout syndrome (yr)" and "No of compensated subjects (yr)" is just one single person for 2015.

    1. Re:No burnout sick day in France by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Can you actually read TFA? For France, "No of subjects with acknowledged burnout syndrome (yr)" and "No of compensated subjects (yr)" is just one single person for 2015.

      France also gives you 11 public holidays per year plus a minimum of 25 additional vacation days per year, for a total of more than seven weeks off per year. So is it little wonder that they don't have the same burnout problems that we do here in the U.S., where the average high-tech worker gets only three weeks plus public holidays? Let me tell you, the difference between three weeks and five is night and day.

      In the U.S., many of us use most of our days off just for Thanksgiving and Christmas through New Year's so that the flights don't cost a small fortune, and as a result, we don't get much of a vacation at all. Yet in spite of the overwhelming evidence that this is a problem, so many C*Os still wonder why employees burn out here. Truly, they have a dizzying intellect.

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  13. Hire on merit by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Workers who can study, keep pace with work and can learn new ideas.
    Staff who never had to study a lot? Who never had to learn? Who never had to pass a lot of exams?
    They can't be expected to have the needed skills. Don't hire people who could not understand much about learning.
    Got some people who want to work for your brand?
    Did they study and pass their exams?
    No non academic considerations year after year?
    Did the education they got given have any actual academic part?
    Some simple questions when looking back over a persons past will find the people who can learn and study.
    They have the skills and ability to grown your brand year after year. Not just take a wage.
    No more staff that show up to work and expect to be helped and supported all day.
    Staff who arrive late and who create long weekends by not been at work.
    Stop brining people who cant and won't work into your brand and expecting them to work. They wont work.

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  14. You will hate me for this, but... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Like AIDS, this "epidemic" is the result of behavioral choices that people could clearly avoid, but decide not to.

    It's hard to sympathize when people do it to themselves.

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  15. Taking on a lot... by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    ... to meet expectations. After a while, it either hits you that it's just not worth it; and you choose what to do from there. Or you burnout trying.

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  16. I burned out... or did I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was an engineer. I burned out at about 19 years... or did I.

    For my first 18 years, I worked unbelievably hard and long hours and was still effective. I won't bother detailing it because my experience in doing so is that it truly was unbelievable. People don't believe me when I describe those years.

    I loved engineering. I am a creator. Every day I still find things to create, though these days my creations are rarely technical and only for myself.

    At about 17 years into my career, I made a career mistake in taking a job that I thought was going to be an exciting engineering project. When I got there, the project turned out to be vapor and I had invested too much in the move to leave.

    They moved me into management and gave me a pay boost for the extra responsibility. I was good at it. Management is nothing after years of successful project management with vastly more variables. But it gave me zero joy. I tried for a bit. But it didn't feed me. Depression took over. Drinking, etc. I finally quit, and I wasn't able to go back.

    I've talked with many others who "burned out". In the majority, the burnout was similar to mine. I don't think it is what most imagine. It's more a disillusionment, a betrayal, or just falling off the ship and helplessly watching it sail away with no way to catch up.

    I feel that, if I hadn't made that last career move, I'd still be spending long hours creating and loving every minute of it.

    I have the life now that many claim to dream of. I dream of the life I had.

  17. Re:Stability, Max $, and Fun by war4peace · · Score: 1

    Not even that. It's Moral Injury: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Because Physicians aren't doing what they dreamed of doing, which is help the patient. The patient has become a product, and the physician is a wealth generator for the medical system.

    This guy explains it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  18. Hire more medical scribes by Dark-Helmet · · Score: 1

    Doctors have to do an unbelievable amount of tedious paperwork. Not uncommon to visit a doctor and have him just announce your $name and stare at some paper while he barely makes eye contact with you.

  19. Re:Paid holiday by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    Ok, why is this flamebait?

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