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Windows 10 Makes Large Share Gains, While Windows 7 Declines Significantly (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader shared a report: It took quite some time for Windows 10 to overtake Windows 7, but it finally did it in December 2018, at least according to NetMarketShare's figures. In February however, Windows 10 actually lost share, while Windows 7 gained some, narrowing the gap between the two operating systems once more. In March though, roles were reversed, as Windows 10 made some big gains, and Windows 7 lost a sizable chunk of its share. In the month just gone, NetMarketShare shows Windows 10 going from 40.30 percent to 43.62 percent, a big gain of 3.32 percentage points. There is currently a gap of 7.11 percentage points between Windows 10 and Windows 7.

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  1. It is hard to avoid that downgrade by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the numbers very clearly say what a large number of users think. If Windows was a democracy, the win10 party would _not_ win.

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    1. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Windows 10 sends Linux ISO to everyone through Windows Update. Bill Gates tells everyone: Here's something that's better!"

      Come on! April Fools me harder, lol.

    2. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Had it not been for all the force "upgrades" the Window 10 share would be minuscule. Now Michysoft are having yet another crack at trying to force Win7 and Win8.1 users to "upgrade". While https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4099479/windows-10-update-history appears to suggest it's only another Win10 patch, the report from my WSUS server lists it as "Windows 7 and 8.1 upgrade to Windows 10, version 1809 x64 2019-03B, en-us".

    3. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if this is a joke, 3.32% is more users than Linux has ever had. Who is the joke really on?

    4. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, no. Android is Linux and has a much larger marketshare than all Microsoft operating systems combined. Linux operating systems also dominate the areas of supercomputers, render farms, servers, networking equipment, hobbyist computing (Arduino and Raspberry Pi) and IoTs.

      Windows overall is dying. Most people with computers are shifting to tablets and phones only and most of the PC holdouts will be gamers who can play their games just as well in Linux thanks to the huge strides made by Wine and Proton. The rest of the PC owners will be people who need them for work or hobby, but that's a minority.

    5. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      My guess is nobody else installed Windows 10, all the Windows 7 users just swit ched to Linux or OS X. That's the only way they could jump that quickly.

    6. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They would try very hard to get the Windows 7 candidate impeached, get triggered and assault people at the sight of a start menu that was "gasp" white, and DIDN'T cover half the screen, be screaming at the sky and yelling "not my OS not my OS"

    7. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah we're talking about desktop operating systems. Nobody is debating the fact that Android owns the mobile space or that various Linux distros own the server space. Windows has always been a joke in those areas and Linux- despite hundreds of distributions and various catastrophic missteps by Microsoft like Windows ME, Vista and 8 -has always been a joke on the desktop.

    8. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows there was clear collusion with systemd.

    9. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, this was "the year" that people decided to toss out the old laptop and buy a new one. Trump tax cuts, etc. More new laptops = more Windows 10.

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    10. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Good point mentioning windows 8.1. Note they are only comparing windows 7 to windows anal probe 10 and that is extremely misleading because it provides and extremely inaccurate image of how bad the anal probe is doing. You actually need to combine windows 7 and windows 8.1 and that reflects the true picture of how badly the anal probe is doing and why it 'KILLED THEIR MOBILE PHONE'. Windows anal probe 10, killed windows mobile, slaughtered it because people are sick of M$ bullshit and everyone knows it. Yet the anal retentive, privacy invasive, control freak cunts have to stick to trying to control everyone, what a pack of arse holes and it will take them down in the end.

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    11. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I invite you to visit any midsize or large company and see if desktop computing use is declining.

      "most people don't give a fuck about Windows" should be changed to "most people don't give a fuck about ANY underlying OS". One thing the Linux evangelists and supplicants have never understood is that people do not run OS's they run applications. Unfortunately the Linux ecosystem is littered with cheap knockoffs of applications you pay for. While some people can get along with "good enough" others are really not keen on migrating to and learning the peculiarities of another OS just to get shitter applications.
      And in case you have not noticed MS is in the process of merging open source applications, tool sets, and services with their proprietary offerings. MS has been the largest contributor to open source libraries and repositories for the past 2 years. MS has one of the largest number of open source developers on their payroll. The MS legal department finally figured out how to leverage open source licensing to their benefit.
      They are well on their way to offering their own Linux distribution (MS Linux) which will cause the MS haters heads to implode.

      If you call yourself a "professional" developer you should select your particular technology on functionality and not on who provided the technology. If you dream of migrating everyone off of the MS platform then you need to be honest when estimating the cost of doing so. You need to acknowledge that an OS migration is going to effect the entire IT staff as well as the end users. You need to acknowledge that there are custom applications that will need to be modified or totally replaced in order to run in the new OS. You need to acknowledge that there may be 3rd party components that will need to be modified or totally replaced in order to run in the new OS. This is just a small list of things you need to include in your cost-benefit calculations and project planning. Walking into a board room you will find people who are going to need a damn good reason to migrate off of the MS platform and "MS Sux!" is really not going to be a sufficient response.

    12. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's flat out right.

      Between Microsoft shutting down the Win 7 activation servers and OEMs no longer even selling computers with Skylake or older CPUs, the last generation of chip compatible with Win 7, it's simply not possible to buy a pre-made computer that comes with Windows and isn't Windows 10.

      Kaby Lake chips are intentionally not backwards compatible just enough to break existing chipset drivers. MS is refusing to provide those drivers for older OSes.

      So you go with Win 10 or something that isn't Windows

    13. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody in the IT departments you talk about switched to Winblows 10 willingly. That should invalidate what you threw up there.

    14. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are. More companies are using tablets and phones where a full computer is no longer needed or desired. POS systems, for example, used to be full PCs but are now almost entirely made up of tablet style hardware.

      Windows 10 is blatant crippleware and spyware. It will never be used in any capacity in my business specifically because I am a professional and I care about security and control of my computers. Basing decisions on the history and ethics of a developer is also totally valid and anyone who would deny that is a tool/shill.

    15. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The number of desktops/laptops at companies is a drop in the bucket and irrelevant. The bulk of the marketshare numbers are personal desktops/laptops.

    16. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how you have to fabricate restrictions just to make Windows win.

      Hey if desktop Linux wasn't complete rubbish then Windows wouldn't dominate the desktop market.

      First, nobody said anything about "desktop operating systems", the discussion is about operating systems, full stop.

      No. The quoted figures are clearly for desktop operating systems. Perhaps simple math escapes you but if Windows 10 has 43.62% of the market and Windows 7 has 36.52% of the market then there wouldn't be much left over for operating systems like Android would there?

      Second, Android can easily and effectively be used as a desktop OS.

      But nobody does that.

      Third, the troll specifically said "Linux", not Ubuntu, not Mint, not any traditional desktop operating system, just Linux, which is the core of many operating systems.

      Yes Linux, in the context of a discussion and marketshare numbers specifically on desktop operating systems. The numbers make it pretty unequivocal.

    17. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, nobody said anything about "desktop operating systems"

      I'll just go ahead and stop you right there: What do you think the numbers quoted here refer to?

    18. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second, Android can easily and effectively be used as a desktop OS.

      OH yes let's trade one fragmented, bug-ridden, insecure nightmare of an OS for another.

    19. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      My guess is nobody else installed Windows 10, all the Windows 7 users just swit ched to Linux or OS X. That's the only way they could jump that quickly.

      That's what I did. I switched to Linux Mint after the last 'security upgrade' from MS blew my Win7 machine off the net.

      Sadly, I find that a lot of the Linux applications out there are minimally functional, have few config options, and don't support much (if anything) in the way of data import and export.

      It wasn't too hard finding replacement apps that had the features I need, but it was a huge pain in the ass getting my existing data into them...super frustrating and time-consuming.

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    20. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... More new laptops = more Windows 10.

      Stop the trend

    21. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      And in an unrelated news story, water is found to be wet.

    22. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They are well on their way to offering their own Linux distribution (MS Linux) which will cause the MS haters heads to implode."

      Yes, we're fairly pissed about Microsoft systemd.

    23. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure you did

    24. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is one of the big negatives with proprietary applications. Fortunately I switched to many open source applications years ago on Windows. That really helped ease my transition to Linux.

    25. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They paid less in taxes over the years but also got less back at tax time as a result. The working class largely broke even."
      ??? How is that breaking even? We paid less, period. We got more in every paycheck, didn't have to wait a year for our benevolent overlords to give back what was our to begin with.

    26. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desktop operating systems are the Special Olympics of the computing world. Linux doesn't *need* to win every platform, Microsoft can have this one.

    27. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? I smell FAKE NEWS!

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    28. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      April fooools!!!

      Got em!!

    29. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux Mint has worked wonderfully for me since I installed it a few years ago to escape the nightmare we call Windows 8/8.1, it had a little bit of a learning curve, but generally when using my home computer, I don't think "damn, my options are limited", that's what I think when using Windows 10 at work. There are so many things about Linux Mint that I've become spoiled by, that it's annoying working on Windows now.

      Linux applications are generally sufficient. Libre Office takes care of the needs of nearly anyone who would otherwise be using Microsoft Office (I can only think of one or two rather advanced use cases for Microsoft Office that I don't currently know how to implement in Libre Office, and I'm the kind of guy who writes PowerShell scripts to pull data from Excel spreadsheets).

      At work I'm regularly frustrated by the lack of tabbed browsing in File Explorer in Windows, ditto lack of translucent windows, ditto lack of 2nd clipboard. I have also been the person friends on Windows have emailed PDFs to when they need them split into several smaller ones, or merged into a single larger one (thank you PDFsam, PDFshuffle, et. al. on Linux Mint)

      Are there occasions when Windows does have a feature that would be nice to have on another OS? Yes, but for those rarities I have a VM.

  2. April Fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you guys love playing jokes, but this is unbelievable. Everyone knows that Windows RT has gained an average of 5.6% market share per month for the last 18 months.

    ARM is the future and you all know it.

  3. Windows wins and BSD is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is pretty much accepted that BSD is more or less dead. Which doesn't mean that no one at all uses it. However, BSD is slowly fading into oblivion. That is the truth. It is now a hobby project mostly, after losing its last commercial source of support. Of course I don't care what anyone wants to play with. That is their business. But nevertheless there should not be an intentional cover up of the truth.

    1. Re:Windows wins and BSD is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSD is used on many servers and powers all PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 consoles. It's far from dead.

    2. Re:Windows wins and BSD is dead by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      macOS is based on BSD

  4. April fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was about to ask what you were smoking, but then I remembered that today is the day that normally-reliable news sources actively lie to their readers.

  5. So what? by frosch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why this is even news? Who cares?

    1. Re:So what? by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      people forced to use Windows 10 care. People still doing everything they can at work to hang onto their Win 7 that isn't (relatively speaking) the buggy bloated mess Windows 10 care

    2. Re: So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one time this month ./ has real "news for nerds" and you're ready to shit all over it.

      GTFO. Go hang out on Digg or Reddit or TMZ if you think you know what "news" is.

    3. Re:So what? by Locutus · · Score: 1

      Because Microsoft's marketing department still finds this an effective way to news sites to post their company name and OS brand. The lemmings they call customers are very much influenced by what other people are doing. As Microsoft sales start pushing product licensing they lead by pushing out these "growing" numbers "research" projects.

      They've been doing this for a couple of decades so well known.

      LoB

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    4. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Using Win10 since forever. It's fine.

    5. Re:So what? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      It's a buggy piece of shit that bogs down PC compared to win 7

  6. Staying on Windows 9 by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    All my computers run on Windows 9, and I see no reason to upgrade. I bought licenses for a great price off some Chinese website.

    1. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

      All my computers run on Windows 9, and I see no reason to upgrade. I bought licenses for a great price off some Chinese website.

      You should have waited like I did. Everyone knows Windows 9.1 is the way to go. It had much higher ratings on Newegg.cn and Amaxon.cn. I feel like it's the 1990's again since they shortened .com to .cn. Everything has gotten so much cheaper. It's crazy how much that "o" and extra hump added to the n costs.

    2. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Funny

      You both are soooo behind the times... I bought Windows 11 off of Taobao, it is SO advanced and it's great to get the pre-release before Microsoft even knows about it!

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    3. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      I hear it's one louder.

    4. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holding out for Windows 9.11 for workgroups

    5. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      It is, because it also includes an extra core for your processor, so it runs better. It reports I have a 5 core i7-7700HQ now... Windows 11 for the WIN!

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    6. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard rumours that Windows 9.5 will be the first okay version.

  7. So far, so good by marcle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm very happy with Windows 7. It runs fast and stable on modern hardware.
    I realize I'll eventually have to go with Win10, but only if I do a major hardware upgrade. Right now, my 6-year-old system does great with audio and video rendering, graphics, etc. I practice safe innertubing, and don't have malware problems.
    The hot mess that is Windows 10 is just unattractive, and I won't hold my nose and plunge in until I absolutely have to.

    1. Re:So far, so good by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      You should try Win 8.1 with OpenShell, runs just as nice and stable as Win 7, the updates aren't a hot mess of fail like Win 10, and you can have it look and behave like Win 7 or even WinXP if you prefer.

      I've been running it for nearly 2 years now and I have to say its one of the best workstation OSes I've ever run, right up there with WinXP X64, while my customers that run Win 10 have to deal with buggy AF updates and MSFT constantly resetting defaults. Hopefully by 2023 when Win 8.1 goes EOL they will have replaced Nutella with someone that actually cares about making a good OS or I'll be having to jump to Google or Linux.

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    2. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using Windows 8.1 Pro with Start8 for years and without updates since Windows 10 was released and Microsoft started backporting their spyware. It's been totally stable, secure and speedy. It definitely the best experience you can get with any version of Windows.

      And before someone whines about the necessity of a third party start menu to fix Windows 8, I had to use a third party taskbar program to fix Windows 7's shitty multi-monitor support. Every operating system I have ever used has needed third party software to work the way I wanted it to.

      Windows in order of best to worst:

      Windows 8.x
      Windows 7
      Windows Vista
      Windows 2000
      Windows XP
      Windows 98
      Windows 95
      Windows Me
      Windows 3.x
      Windows 2.x
      Windows 1.x
      Windows 10

    3. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your story is the exact reason why I switched to Linux (er, again).

      Windows 7 only has a few more months left. It will stop being supported in January. You can cough up cash to buy a few more years of support if you really want, but then all your options are up.

      Or.....you can just make the jump to Linux, and show Microsoft that you hate their business practices enough that you refuse to buy their product.

    4. Re:So far, so good by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hopefully by 2023 when Win 8.1 goes EOL they will have replaced Nutella with someone that actually cares about making a good OS or I'll be having to jump to Google or Linux.

      I was hoping Win10 would be that backtracking after Win8/8.1 and Metro/Ribbon/Store crap the way Win7 backtracked after Vista. But when Microsoft hasn't budged an inch for so long I don't think they'll start now. What annoys me is that nobody's really been gunning for the desktop. Both Apple and Google have been too busy fighting for the smartphone to really put any effort into dethroning Microsoft. I guess there's Linux but I like my AAA games. At least for now I'm going to sit still and watch if Apple will push ARM Macs or not, that could get interesting.

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    5. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess there's Linux but I like my AAA games.

      Vulkan is the way around this issue.

    6. Re:So far, so good by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why would they replace the CEO producing record profits and who has grown the company to record size?

      Is that like saying hopefully Trump will decide he isn't fit to be president and will just quit next week?

    7. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Game streaming will end Windows as a gaming platform. Those hosting streaming services will not want to pay the Windows tax, thus AAA game developers will be driven towards supporting Linux as a first class citizen - simply because it is the Cloud OS.

      Hopefully this will trickle down to hard core gamers, who will always find internet latency on input/output unacceptable, in the form of wide spread Ubuntu/SteamOS support. My prediction is that in-home game streaming boxes will replace the fixed gaming PC.

      Microsoft see the writing on the wall. Cloud and feature rich web will break Windows' stranglehold, that's why they are so focused on becoming a cloud player. At the moment they are leveraging Windows while it still has relevance to drive their user base to Microsoft's own services - viewed in that context Win10 makes a lot of sense.

    8. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not running updates is stupid, look up the KB numbers for the spyware updates in Windows 7/8 and block these. This will be less work than the Windows 10 upgrades every six month etc.

    9. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did it a few times. After a while i couldnt be arsed anymore n stopped updating.

    10. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No updates, turn that shit off after first load.
      Windows 10? Windows 8?! No.
      Software firewall and Symantec Endpoint.
      No viruses, no malware, no problem.
      It's all about knowledge...educated yourselves...
      Smartphones are for drones, you should know better.
      We torrent, we play, we still have out Ti-55's...yes we're OAF!
      One rule, Don't double click that shit if you don't know its source. (Phrozen Forever kids)

    11. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it's that simple any longer, now that Microsoft has switched to their monthly update model that includes everything. We seriously have reached a time when people need to fight back against Microsoft.

    12. Re:So far, so good by supremebob · · Score: 1

      You think that Windows Vista was better than Windows 2000?? Why? Vista was a resource hog, and basically forced Microsoft to make Windows 7 a bug fix release for Vista.

    13. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No updates, turn that shit off after first load.
      Windows 10? Windows 8?! No.
      Software firewall and Symantec Endpoint.
      No viruses, no malware, no problem.
      It's all about knowledge...educated yourselves...

      You didn't use the correct form for the word 'educated', and that matches the validity of what you said as well.
      You mentioned a Symantec application for Windows in the same statement where you mis-used the word educated.
      Educated adults in the I.T. industry would not use Symantec, because it is FAR from 'no problem'.
      WHERE you were educated probably had to do with those bad decisions.

    14. Re:So far, so good by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Because he is robbing Peter to pay Paul and without the Windows network effect they be fucked? Lets look at their business and see what happens if we remove Windows from the equation, shall we?

      Well if I don't need Windows there goes MS Office, I can just as easily use Google's offerings or Open Office, there goes a chunk of cash. If I'm not using windows I'm not gonna be using an MS browser or MS services as they won't be the default on a Google or Apple device so all of that datamining and selling is tits up. Also Win 10's backwards compatibility is more and more shit by the day so all those SMBs and SOHOs are fucked...oh wait all the Linux business offerings come with butt simply VM setups so you can keep an old copy of Windows with mission critical apps running forever, oh and hey VMWare offers VM support for those cheap Chromebooks so we can save money on hardware as well! Starting to get the picture?

      A huge chunk of MSFT's business benefits in some way from the Windows network effect and Windows 10 is quickly becoming a punch line, with so many having a piss poor experience its actually making Vista look good. Hell I've watched live streams where win 10 has BSODed right in the middle of the stream and I haven't seen that kind of shit since XP, that is fucking sad. And its not like the old days where there was nobody to step up, Google is more than happy to drink their milkshake and even Wally World I'm starting to see carry wide arrays of Chromebooks.

      So while he may be growing now with his "cloud cloud cloud" don't forget Ballmer monkey and his thinking they could just buy Nokia and force their way into the smartphone game and how that ultimately turned out. Google and Amazon aren't gonna go away, if anything their integration with devices is gonna get even tighter and with every passing day Nutella lets windows rot? The more and more users are gonna find they really don't need MSFT anymore, Google or Apple or Amazon can give them a better experience.

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    15. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess there's Linux but I like my AAA games.

      Vulkan is the way around this issue.

      Vulkan is just an API for interfacing with the GPU, it is no more a solution to cross-platform gaming than OpenGL which we have had for decades.

    16. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he is robbing Peter to pay Paul and without the Windows network effect they be fucked?

      Windows revenue is unimportant for Microsoft going forward, services are the future of the company (much like Apple is now pivoting to).

      Well if I don't need Windows there goes MS Office, I can just as easily use Google's offerings or Open Office, there goes a chunk of cash.

      Well no, because you can use Office365 on the web, natively on the Mac and on Android and iOS. But more to the point you can just as easily use Google's offerings or Open Office if whether you have Windows or not. In fact it's cheaper to do so even if you're running Windows.

      If I'm not using windows I'm not gonna be using an MS browser or MS services as they won't be the default on a Google or Apple device so all of that datamining and selling is tits up.

      Datamining and selling data is clearly not Microsoft's business, that is why you cannot just buy data from them. Why do you believe the halfwits telling you Microsoft is selling your data? There is absolutely no evidence of that, feel free to try to prove me wrong though and demonstrate how you buy this data from Microsoft?

      A huge chunk of MSFT's business benefits in some way from the Windows network effect and Windows 10 is quickly becoming a punch line, with so many having a piss poor experience its actually making Vista look good.

      Microsoft doesn't care about Windows as a business model anymore, the revenue of services like those on Azure (which predominantly run on Linux), support for Linux in Windows and the dropping of the monolithic upgrade cycle demonstrate that pretty clearly. From Azure to Exchange to Sharepoint to Office they

      So while he may be growing now with his "cloud cloud cloud" don't forget Ballmer monkey and his thinking they could just buy Nokia and force their way into the smartphone game and how that ultimately turned out.

      Right, that was Ballmer and his failure of thinking the future was in platforms, now with Nadella they are making money hand-over-fist in services and are more profitable than they have ever been.

      The more and more users are gonna find they really don't need MSFT anymore, Google or Apple or Amazon can give them a better experience.

      Wrong. Just look at their financials, the bulk of their revenue is coming from things that aren't tied to Windows these days. The days of Windows platform lock-in are long gone, worthless and unprofitable, that's the moronic Ballmer era.

    17. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you do move to Windows 10 don't bother with any version unless it is LTSB or LTSC.

      Not that it is better than Windows 7 but when you hit that wall they are the only choice to keep sane.

    18. Re:So far, so good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also made Vista SP1, SP2, and backport of WDDM 1.1 to Vista.

      Windows 7 is in effect Vista with little square in the bottom and the removal of color schemes in classic mode.
      Of course, it got released when 512MB RAM was good on a computer and a pleasure to use on XP or Gnome 2 / XFCE.

  8. Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people who want to use their computers, and not have them get in the way will be using Windows 7 as long as their machine functions. Microsoft dropped the ball, and has come back to their senses yet.

  9. Something something stones in glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm assuming this thread will become a Windows 10 shit slinging-fest so I'd like to remind everyone our alternative is GNOME 3.

    1. Re:Something something stones in glass houses by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Or KDE, or Gnome 2, or MATE, or i3 OR OR OR. If you really can only complain about the user interface there are LOADS of others. I prefer KDE since forever.

    2. Re:Something something stones in glass houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a tough call between Windows10 and a Linux with systemd&gnome3. At least the amount of spyware is less on GNU/systemd+gnome3, but both share the same lack of usability and functionality.

  10. Jan 2020 is the motivator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently the extended support prices for enterprises have finally motivated some orgs to upgrade (it is all about what is cheaper to maintain compliance).

    1. Re:Jan 2020 is the motivator by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I know, I know, I'm still not done preparing. For some of the programs I use I still don't have a suitable Linux replacement, not to mention the lack of drivers for quite a few hardware pieces.

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  11. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Chances are loads will switch to Linux, because after so long, basic shit won't even work on windows 7 because the lack of releasing drivers or something stupid. Plus it will get really insecure over time, it is windows. And you will be vulnerable to all kinds of remote exploits web and IP based. Maybe even get owned on some wireless exploit because you can't get updated drivers or something. Once there's not enough users on windows 7 to justify. Hardware companies will stop making/updating windows 7 drivers.

  12. Like comparing VAT reduced and VAT standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point? We are force-fed Windows, so any percentages are artificial.

  13. Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Teckla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess, but the simple truth is that Microsoft still has the desktop OS market by the balls.

    1. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Because of people tolerating the buggy bloated mess.

    2. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So is Windows 7.

    3. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      But the new games look so nice and run well.

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    4. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its called Win32...

    5. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of people tolerating the buggy bloated mess.

      Nobody is willing to do the unsexy UI and app compatibility work to make Linux a serious contender on the desktop. Look, Linux is free as in beer and still people can't be arsed to adopt it; that's how far away from competing with Windows it is.

    6. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The problem is that they run better on Win7.

      Quite frankly, I have fewer crashes and more performance on a Win7 box I have that has worse specs than the Win10 one.

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    7. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess, but the simple truth is that Microsoft still has the desktop OS market by the balls.

      Bloated perhaps, but I haven't really run into bugs yet. Mostly it's just that they changed how to do everything, and then further hid half those things so that it takes twice as many clicks to get to what you are trying to get to, all for no good reason.

    8. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      The main reason as I said, that people don't adopt it is because of your fear mongering "It doesn't work!! I have to learn things!!!" as if you've never had to learn how to use a tool. The UI is great, and you can even build your own if you have the skill. But people read through threads like this, and see all of this "LINUX IS HORRID!!!" spewed by people who have never even used it. Very off putting, kind of "Fake Newsey"

    9. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      Or they've worked in IT/IS for 20+ years and understand actual business requirements, despite their personal likes.

    10. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying IT staff are dumb enough to compare linux 20 years ago to windows experience today? Because that's basically what I see in this thread.

    11. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      No, I'm using it on my work laptop right now. I'd be a fool to deploy it to most workstations due to requirement. I've worked in environments of 2500+ vms with 10+ petabytes of storage. Racks and racks of blades and storage arrays. Hundreds of Windows and Linux desktops, lots of mixed use, best tool where it is needed. What is your enterprise work experience? How many test plans/ requirements docs/ policy docs have you authored?

    12. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      0, I'm just a nerd.

    13. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      It shows.

  14. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Loads" will not switch to Linux.

    Linux still have a reputation for being hard to use on the desktop, hard to figure out, and lacking in support for hardware and major software packages.

    So long as it has that reputation, people will keep paying Microsoft money for a product they don't actually like.

  15. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    It has that reputation because most people don't even know how to create a boot disk. let alone have ever even tried it live. All we need is steam to keep pushing on the gaming side and that will bring the rest. Unfortunately it seems like games lead the development pack.

  16. Windows 10 sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Windows 10 is being forced onto the people, it's not like they have a choice of OSes when they buy a new computer.

    1. Re:Windows 10 sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on where you buy your computer. There are vendors that sell computers and laptop with Linux only. There is Apple. Dell offers some models with Linux. Plus most computers can be wiped and reinstalled easily. Just don't buy a Surface.

    2. Re:Windows 10 sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus One. Many laptops will not allow to to downgrade - see ASUS. Many have hard coded UEFI so thout touchpad control is not possible. It wont let you load drivers normally.

      Telemetry is rammed down our throats - you really dont have a choice, plus it is viral and morphs as updates roll out..

  17. Oroborus by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    The Snake eats its own tail

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    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
  18. Fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does Linux have to suck so hard?

    I've tried all kinds of desktops. GNOME 3 has got to be one of the most ridiculous watered down pieces of shit I've ever used in my entire life. I fail to see how it is even taken seriously by anyone.

    I installed mint xfce... this was the most usable desktop Linux I've ever used but that's not saying much. My fucking god... font rendering is STILL total complete and utter shit. Try to setup a terminal with a useful small font and it's fucking impossible. Most fonts don't display correctly at all. The ones that do have weird color fringes due to aliasing. Disabling aliasing is a million times worse. The only way I could get it to be half way usable was black text on white background.

    Linux font processing is insanely bad. It's total utter and complete shit. No wonder why Linux people jumbo size their fonts.

    I literally installed all of the fonts available literally gigabytes of them and most of the basics are still missing. What the fucking hell? Windows XP.. fuck NT4 was never this bad.

    1. Re:Fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the fonts rendering in Linux. Just go to the control panel for it and you can choose what sort of anti aliasing you want. I hated that with Windows 7 the only anti aliasing was the one with color fringes! subpixel rendering. In linux you can choose grayscale as well. The color fringes sucked really bad as I liked to use a CRT monitor (because fuck you, CRT were still made in 2004 and Windows 7 was in 2009. stuff lasts longer than 5 years)

      I like terminal windows big though.

  19. Because we don't have a choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see absolutely no reason to move off windows 7 - and many many to stay. except the lack of security updates in future.

    seems it was the last windows UI designed by someone who used the operating system - instead of some numbskull who thought a touch interface was suitable for systems without touch screens...

    1. Re:Because we don't have a choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I see absolutely no reason to move off windows 7... except the lack of security updates in future.

      YASSSS!! You should go install new security updates now, friend.

      "That “critical” software update for your Asus computer may have actually been malware, planted by hackers in a targeted attack now known as “ShadowHammer,”"

      https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/26/18283039/asus-just-patched-the-shadowhammer-malware-that-was-masquerading-as-a-security-update

  20. I had to switch for the Linux Subsystem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I must say Windows 10 I am not happy with it. The UI is totally inconsistent and parts are really ugly (there is a checkbox in some native dialogs that just looks atrocious), Chrome crashes three times a day, and overall things are sluggish. Maybe WLAN support is better on Windows 10, but I am even not sure about this.

  21. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only our corporation would also us use Win7. My Win10 just yesterday installed latest mega-patch, which took literally two hours, even on a relatively modern i5 laptop with 20GB of RAM and fast SSD. After the update was done, I had to waste one hour of work time to unbox all the privacy invasions, shared experiences and whatnot. But still the enterprise windows has some gaming panel, cortana, 3d-paint, AR-apps, and all that useless crap as uninstallable distractions on the start menu. And of course all the app advertisements, autocorrections and typing suggestions were enabled again, no matter if they were disabled previously. And surely edge restored its home page to some MS' advertisement page, so the automatic edge-launch after updates gains some money to MS via advertisements.

  22. New computers only come with Win10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in the new fiscal year, people are buying new computers. They're not choosing Win10, they're forced to take it. Even if they never once use it other than to check if the damn thing operates because the seller will only accept "Doesn't work on Windows" as broken. Even if it doesn't even POST.

  23. Moron yammers on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a start, irrelevant. Linux could have 0% market share, it wouldn't matter a single solitary fuck. Secondly, only official purchased licenses are counted for linux, so only a very small segment of the linux market: businesses, count. Linux could have 100% of the market (all my machines have linux on it, though only one has only linux on it), and it STILL wouldn't matter, but it would ALSO still be true that Linux has a low % share since I downloaded the distro, not bought support.

  24. It has to because you insist it does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sucking is entirely your opinion, mate. So the only way for it not to suck is for you to not be you. Sucks for you, don't care.
    Fonts are better displayed on linux, only Win10 caught up, but since WinVista, linux was ahead. USA law allows fonts to be copyrighted, which means that you may miss some but that isn't linux sucking, that's you being a tightwad and not buying the license for the fonts.
    Your ranting whinge is entirely either fiction or your own inability to WANT to use linux and therefore your desperate need to "explain" your ideological needs as "rational".

  25. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know why you're modded to -1 but well : corruption and spyware is there in linux in the form of Steam.
    I stopped using or installing it after realizing what it does is keeping permanent timestamps and records on every game I'm running through them and I probably gave them my real name because this is what I did with stuff that needs my debit/credit card.

  26. Re:Windows 2007 vs Window 2010 by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

    Why are people using such old software? I'll give you one reason why.

    I have a photo scanner which only has drivers for Windows XP through 7. I am not about to dump a perfectly good piece of equipment, which does the job perfectly, just because Microsoft wants to take more money off me.

    I can imagine that out in corporate land, especially manufacturing, there are a lot of peripherals which don't have up-to-date drivers. Guess what OS will still be on those machines? Right, a version that does what is needed for the device to work.

  27. Windows 7 is marginally supported now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as I liked Windows 7, its very old for a OS and barely get's much support but security fixes. Time to move those old PC's onto something else. I myself chose Ubuntu 18.04 over Win 10 for a older notebook simply because its probably not worth buying a Win 10 license for. Much of the Win 7 holdouts are business and users who simply cannot afford a new PC or a Win 10 upgrade. There are still people out there running XP for the same reason.

    1. Re:Windows 7 is marginally supported now by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Apart from Microsoft's piece of shit browser most security fixes have had nothing to do with remote exploits for a while. They have all required someone to have physical access to your machine. The days of "plug your computer into the internet and have it pwned in 30 seconds are over". Since using a secure browser is easy and since I'm not downloading and running random programs off the internet, I have no "security issues".

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  28. I'm still on Win 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mostly because I started updating Win 10 two weeks ago, and it's still not finished.

  29. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by supremebob · · Score: 1

    I think that a lot of people will keep using Windows 7 until they can't get application software updates for it anymore, and then they'll go buy whatever $200 Windows 10 laptop they can find on sale at Walmart or Best Buy.

    If you think that an average user can handle installing Linux and getting all of the device drivers working correctly on their 5 to 8 year old laptop, you're overestimating the average intelligence of an average computer user.

  30. Don't want a spyware platform on MY PC thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows 10 = The biggest spy / advert / user-hate platform ever built.

  31. Oh Please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run Windows 10 and it's just fine. Anyone with just a smidge of common sense and who isn't distracted by their constant axe grinding, will do well.

    Seriously, I've been using Windows for like 30 years. Do you honestly think that every version of Windows hasn't had problems? And no, that isn't automatically an indictment of Microsoft, no matter how you slice it. Linux heads love to claim superiority but they've got the debacles of Gnome3/KDE3 to explain away, and let's not even start with the systemd sh*tshow.

    You know how I know what I know about Windows? I use it, every day. Good, bad, or indifferent, I've been through it all. It's a working world for me and it would be the same if I used Linux, Mac, BSD, or anything else. Nothing is perfect and expecting it to be perfect is part of the problem.

  32. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Honestly, OS's like Ubuntu literally do ALL of that work for you now. And any 6-8 year old laptop that was good enough to not break by now most likely has ALL hardware drivers for it in mainstream kernel. Its to the point where I call Ubuntu 'Windows 10 of linux' And Mint 'Windows 7 of linux". And its not far from spot on.

    Be honest, when is the last time you tried linux? And what issues did you have?

  33. Forced "upgrade" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are not opting in to win10 or out of win7, we are simply being forced to "upgrade" if we want to upgrade hardware...

  34. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well the big issue I have, on a 2017 laptop is the cursor speed with the touchpad is slow.. and I have no idea how to fix that (Synaptic)
    Feels like high end smartphone stuff on Win 10, slow like molasses on linux and acceleration setting doesn't work.

    It's a very small issue but it's one (if setting the display res at 1600x900 instead of 1920x1080, there are fewer pixels to cross and unscaled GUIs are better usable too, but touch pad still is slow / irritating)
    I still ought to toss a coin some day and install linux either on that small weird D:\ partition or wipe the drive. See what happens when using 5.x kernel and ppas for Xorg / MESA that linux gamers use on Mint/Ubuntu LTS.

  35. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I would check to make sure synaptics package is installed, and you should be able to access control of touchpad from your DE settings menu. I carry a wireless mouse around with my laptop because i cant stand touch pads.