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Windows 10 Makes Large Share Gains, While Windows 7 Declines Significantly (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader shared a report: It took quite some time for Windows 10 to overtake Windows 7, but it finally did it in December 2018, at least according to NetMarketShare's figures. In February however, Windows 10 actually lost share, while Windows 7 gained some, narrowing the gap between the two operating systems once more. In March though, roles were reversed, as Windows 10 made some big gains, and Windows 7 lost a sizable chunk of its share. In the month just gone, NetMarketShare shows Windows 10 going from 40.30 percent to 43.62 percent, a big gain of 3.32 percentage points. There is currently a gap of 7.11 percentage points between Windows 10 and Windows 7.

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  1. It is hard to avoid that downgrade by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the numbers very clearly say what a large number of users think. If Windows was a democracy, the win10 party would _not_ win.

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    1. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Had it not been for all the force "upgrades" the Window 10 share would be minuscule. Now Michysoft are having yet another crack at trying to force Win7 and Win8.1 users to "upgrade". While https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4099479/windows-10-update-history appears to suggest it's only another Win10 patch, the report from my WSUS server lists it as "Windows 7 and 8.1 upgrade to Windows 10, version 1809 x64 2019-03B, en-us".

    2. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      My guess is nobody else installed Windows 10, all the Windows 7 users just swit ched to Linux or OS X. That's the only way they could jump that quickly.

    3. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They would try very hard to get the Windows 7 candidate impeached, get triggered and assault people at the sight of a start menu that was "gasp" white, and DIDN'T cover half the screen, be screaming at the sky and yelling "not my OS not my OS"

    4. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah we're talking about desktop operating systems. Nobody is debating the fact that Android owns the mobile space or that various Linux distros own the server space. Windows has always been a joke in those areas and Linux- despite hundreds of distributions and various catastrophic missteps by Microsoft like Windows ME, Vista and 8 -has always been a joke on the desktop.

    5. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows there was clear collusion with systemd.

    6. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, this was "the year" that people decided to toss out the old laptop and buy a new one. Trump tax cuts, etc. More new laptops = more Windows 10.

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    7. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Good point mentioning windows 8.1. Note they are only comparing windows 7 to windows anal probe 10 and that is extremely misleading because it provides and extremely inaccurate image of how bad the anal probe is doing. You actually need to combine windows 7 and windows 8.1 and that reflects the true picture of how badly the anal probe is doing and why it 'KILLED THEIR MOBILE PHONE'. Windows anal probe 10, killed windows mobile, slaughtered it because people are sick of M$ bullshit and everyone knows it. Yet the anal retentive, privacy invasive, control freak cunts have to stick to trying to control everyone, what a pack of arse holes and it will take them down in the end.

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    8. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I invite you to visit any midsize or large company and see if desktop computing use is declining.

      "most people don't give a fuck about Windows" should be changed to "most people don't give a fuck about ANY underlying OS". One thing the Linux evangelists and supplicants have never understood is that people do not run OS's they run applications. Unfortunately the Linux ecosystem is littered with cheap knockoffs of applications you pay for. While some people can get along with "good enough" others are really not keen on migrating to and learning the peculiarities of another OS just to get shitter applications.
      And in case you have not noticed MS is in the process of merging open source applications, tool sets, and services with their proprietary offerings. MS has been the largest contributor to open source libraries and repositories for the past 2 years. MS has one of the largest number of open source developers on their payroll. The MS legal department finally figured out how to leverage open source licensing to their benefit.
      They are well on their way to offering their own Linux distribution (MS Linux) which will cause the MS haters heads to implode.

      If you call yourself a "professional" developer you should select your particular technology on functionality and not on who provided the technology. If you dream of migrating everyone off of the MS platform then you need to be honest when estimating the cost of doing so. You need to acknowledge that an OS migration is going to effect the entire IT staff as well as the end users. You need to acknowledge that there are custom applications that will need to be modified or totally replaced in order to run in the new OS. You need to acknowledge that there may be 3rd party components that will need to be modified or totally replaced in order to run in the new OS. This is just a small list of things you need to include in your cost-benefit calculations and project planning. Walking into a board room you will find people who are going to need a damn good reason to migrate off of the MS platform and "MS Sux!" is really not going to be a sufficient response.

    9. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's flat out right.

      Between Microsoft shutting down the Win 7 activation servers and OEMs no longer even selling computers with Skylake or older CPUs, the last generation of chip compatible with Win 7, it's simply not possible to buy a pre-made computer that comes with Windows and isn't Windows 10.

      Kaby Lake chips are intentionally not backwards compatible just enough to break existing chipset drivers. MS is refusing to provide those drivers for older OSes.

      So you go with Win 10 or something that isn't Windows

    10. Re:It is hard to avoid that downgrade by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      My guess is nobody else installed Windows 10, all the Windows 7 users just swit ched to Linux or OS X. That's the only way they could jump that quickly.

      That's what I did. I switched to Linux Mint after the last 'security upgrade' from MS blew my Win7 machine off the net.

      Sadly, I find that a lot of the Linux applications out there are minimally functional, have few config options, and don't support much (if anything) in the way of data import and export.

      It wasn't too hard finding replacement apps that had the features I need, but it was a huge pain in the ass getting my existing data into them...super frustrating and time-consuming.

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    11. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      And in an unrelated news story, water is found to be wet.

    12. Re: It is hard to avoid that downgrade by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? I smell FAKE NEWS!

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  2. So what? by frosch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why this is even news? Who cares?

    1. Re:So what? by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      people forced to use Windows 10 care. People still doing everything they can at work to hang onto their Win 7 that isn't (relatively speaking) the buggy bloated mess Windows 10 care

    2. Re:So what? by Locutus · · Score: 1

      Because Microsoft's marketing department still finds this an effective way to news sites to post their company name and OS brand. The lemmings they call customers are very much influenced by what other people are doing. As Microsoft sales start pushing product licensing they lead by pushing out these "growing" numbers "research" projects.

      They've been doing this for a couple of decades so well known.

      LoB

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    3. Re:So what? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      It's a buggy piece of shit that bogs down PC compared to win 7

  3. Staying on Windows 9 by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    All my computers run on Windows 9, and I see no reason to upgrade. I bought licenses for a great price off some Chinese website.

    1. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

      All my computers run on Windows 9, and I see no reason to upgrade. I bought licenses for a great price off some Chinese website.

      You should have waited like I did. Everyone knows Windows 9.1 is the way to go. It had much higher ratings on Newegg.cn and Amaxon.cn. I feel like it's the 1990's again since they shortened .com to .cn. Everything has gotten so much cheaper. It's crazy how much that "o" and extra hump added to the n costs.

    2. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Funny

      You both are soooo behind the times... I bought Windows 11 off of Taobao, it is SO advanced and it's great to get the pre-release before Microsoft even knows about it!

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    3. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

      I hear it's one louder.

    4. Re:Staying on Windows 9 by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      It is, because it also includes an extra core for your processor, so it runs better. It reports I have a 5 core i7-7700HQ now... Windows 11 for the WIN!

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  4. So far, so good by marcle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm very happy with Windows 7. It runs fast and stable on modern hardware.
    I realize I'll eventually have to go with Win10, but only if I do a major hardware upgrade. Right now, my 6-year-old system does great with audio and video rendering, graphics, etc. I practice safe innertubing, and don't have malware problems.
    The hot mess that is Windows 10 is just unattractive, and I won't hold my nose and plunge in until I absolutely have to.

    1. Re:So far, so good by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      You should try Win 8.1 with OpenShell, runs just as nice and stable as Win 7, the updates aren't a hot mess of fail like Win 10, and you can have it look and behave like Win 7 or even WinXP if you prefer.

      I've been running it for nearly 2 years now and I have to say its one of the best workstation OSes I've ever run, right up there with WinXP X64, while my customers that run Win 10 have to deal with buggy AF updates and MSFT constantly resetting defaults. Hopefully by 2023 when Win 8.1 goes EOL they will have replaced Nutella with someone that actually cares about making a good OS or I'll be having to jump to Google or Linux.

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    2. Re:So far, so good by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hopefully by 2023 when Win 8.1 goes EOL they will have replaced Nutella with someone that actually cares about making a good OS or I'll be having to jump to Google or Linux.

      I was hoping Win10 would be that backtracking after Win8/8.1 and Metro/Ribbon/Store crap the way Win7 backtracked after Vista. But when Microsoft hasn't budged an inch for so long I don't think they'll start now. What annoys me is that nobody's really been gunning for the desktop. Both Apple and Google have been too busy fighting for the smartphone to really put any effort into dethroning Microsoft. I guess there's Linux but I like my AAA games. At least for now I'm going to sit still and watch if Apple will push ARM Macs or not, that could get interesting.

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    3. Re:So far, so good by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why would they replace the CEO producing record profits and who has grown the company to record size?

      Is that like saying hopefully Trump will decide he isn't fit to be president and will just quit next week?

    4. Re:So far, so good by supremebob · · Score: 1

      You think that Windows Vista was better than Windows 2000?? Why? Vista was a resource hog, and basically forced Microsoft to make Windows 7 a bug fix release for Vista.

    5. Re:So far, so good by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Because he is robbing Peter to pay Paul and without the Windows network effect they be fucked? Lets look at their business and see what happens if we remove Windows from the equation, shall we?

      Well if I don't need Windows there goes MS Office, I can just as easily use Google's offerings or Open Office, there goes a chunk of cash. If I'm not using windows I'm not gonna be using an MS browser or MS services as they won't be the default on a Google or Apple device so all of that datamining and selling is tits up. Also Win 10's backwards compatibility is more and more shit by the day so all those SMBs and SOHOs are fucked...oh wait all the Linux business offerings come with butt simply VM setups so you can keep an old copy of Windows with mission critical apps running forever, oh and hey VMWare offers VM support for those cheap Chromebooks so we can save money on hardware as well! Starting to get the picture?

      A huge chunk of MSFT's business benefits in some way from the Windows network effect and Windows 10 is quickly becoming a punch line, with so many having a piss poor experience its actually making Vista look good. Hell I've watched live streams where win 10 has BSODed right in the middle of the stream and I haven't seen that kind of shit since XP, that is fucking sad. And its not like the old days where there was nobody to step up, Google is more than happy to drink their milkshake and even Wally World I'm starting to see carry wide arrays of Chromebooks.

      So while he may be growing now with his "cloud cloud cloud" don't forget Ballmer monkey and his thinking they could just buy Nokia and force their way into the smartphone game and how that ultimately turned out. Google and Amazon aren't gonna go away, if anything their integration with devices is gonna get even tighter and with every passing day Nutella lets windows rot? The more and more users are gonna find they really don't need MSFT anymore, Google or Apple or Amazon can give them a better experience.

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  5. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Chances are loads will switch to Linux, because after so long, basic shit won't even work on windows 7 because the lack of releasing drivers or something stupid. Plus it will get really insecure over time, it is windows. And you will be vulnerable to all kinds of remote exploits web and IP based. Maybe even get owned on some wireless exploit because you can't get updated drivers or something. Once there's not enough users on windows 7 to justify. Hardware companies will stop making/updating windows 7 drivers.

  6. Re:Something something stones in glass houses by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Or KDE, or Gnome 2, or MATE, or i3 OR OR OR. If you really can only complain about the user interface there are LOADS of others. I prefer KDE since forever.

  7. Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Teckla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess, but the simple truth is that Microsoft still has the desktop OS market by the balls.

    1. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Because of people tolerating the buggy bloated mess.

    2. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So is Windows 7.

    3. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      But the new games look so nice and run well.

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    4. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The problem is that they run better on Win7.

      Quite frankly, I have fewer crashes and more performance on a Win7 box I have that has worse specs than the Win10 one.

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    5. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess, but the simple truth is that Microsoft still has the desktop OS market by the balls.

      Bloated perhaps, but I haven't really run into bugs yet. Mostly it's just that they changed how to do everything, and then further hid half those things so that it takes twice as many clicks to get to what you are trying to get to, all for no good reason.

    6. Re:Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      The main reason as I said, that people don't adopt it is because of your fear mongering "It doesn't work!! I have to learn things!!!" as if you've never had to learn how to use a tool. The UI is great, and you can even build your own if you have the skill. But people read through threads like this, and see all of this "LINUX IS HORRID!!!" spewed by people who have never even used it. Very off putting, kind of "Fake Newsey"

    7. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      Or they've worked in IT/IS for 20+ years and understand actual business requirements, despite their personal likes.

    8. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying IT staff are dumb enough to compare linux 20 years ago to windows experience today? Because that's basically what I see in this thread.

    9. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      No, I'm using it on my work laptop right now. I'd be a fool to deploy it to most workstations due to requirement. I've worked in environments of 2500+ vms with 10+ petabytes of storage. Racks and racks of blades and storage arrays. Hundreds of Windows and Linux desktops, lots of mixed use, best tool where it is needed. What is your enterprise work experience? How many test plans/ requirements docs/ policy docs have you authored?

    10. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      0, I'm just a nerd.

    11. Re: Windows 10 is a buggy, bloated mess by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      It shows.

  8. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    It has that reputation because most people don't even know how to create a boot disk. let alone have ever even tried it live. All we need is steam to keep pushing on the gaming side and that will bring the rest. Unfortunately it seems like games lead the development pack.

  9. Windows 10 sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Windows 10 is being forced onto the people, it's not like they have a choice of OSes when they buy a new computer.

  10. Oroborus by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    The Snake eats its own tail

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  11. Because we don't have a choice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see absolutely no reason to move off windows 7 - and many many to stay. except the lack of security updates in future.

    seems it was the last windows UI designed by someone who used the operating system - instead of some numbskull who thought a touch interface was suitable for systems without touch screens...

  12. Re:Windows 2007 vs Window 2010 by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

    Why are people using such old software? I'll give you one reason why.

    I have a photo scanner which only has drivers for Windows XP through 7. I am not about to dump a perfectly good piece of equipment, which does the job perfectly, just because Microsoft wants to take more money off me.

    I can imagine that out in corporate land, especially manufacturing, there are a lot of peripherals which don't have up-to-date drivers. Guess what OS will still be on those machines? Right, a version that does what is needed for the device to work.

  13. Re:Windows wins and BSD is dead by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    macOS is based on BSD

  14. Re:Windows 7 is marginally supported now by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    Apart from Microsoft's piece of shit browser most security fixes have had nothing to do with remote exploits for a while. They have all required someone to have physical access to your machine. The days of "plug your computer into the internet and have it pwned in 30 seconds are over". Since using a secure browser is easy and since I'm not downloading and running random programs off the internet, I have no "security issues".

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  15. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by supremebob · · Score: 1

    I think that a lot of people will keep using Windows 7 until they can't get application software updates for it anymore, and then they'll go buy whatever $200 Windows 10 laptop they can find on sale at Walmart or Best Buy.

    If you think that an average user can handle installing Linux and getting all of the device drivers working correctly on their 5 to 8 year old laptop, you're overestimating the average intelligence of an average computer user.

  16. Re:Jan 2020 is the motivator by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I know, I know, I'm still not done preparing. For some of the programs I use I still don't have a suitable Linux replacement, not to mention the lack of drivers for quite a few hardware pieces.

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  17. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Honestly, OS's like Ubuntu literally do ALL of that work for you now. And any 6-8 year old laptop that was good enough to not break by now most likely has ALL hardware drivers for it in mainstream kernel. Its to the point where I call Ubuntu 'Windows 10 of linux' And Mint 'Windows 7 of linux". And its not far from spot on.

    Be honest, when is the last time you tried linux? And what issues did you have?

  18. Re:Windows 7 will be around after Microsoft drops by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    I would check to make sure synaptics package is installed, and you should be able to access control of touchpad from your DE settings menu. I carry a wireless mouse around with my laptop because i cant stand touch pads.