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iPad Mini Makes Two Common Repairs 'Unnecessarily Difficult,' Says iFixit (cnet.com)

Posted by msmash on from the duh dept.

Apple has released the fifth-generation iPad Mini. So, of course, the repair experts at iFixit needed to tear it apart. From a report: The new 7.9 inch tablet, launched two weeks ago, sticks to its roots as a revamp of the iPad Mini 4, according to iFixit's teardown published Tuesday. One notable change is the battery connector design, which could prevent people trying to fix a device from accidentally killing the backlight during a repair, according to iFixit. The iFixit team calls this tweak "nifty!"

iFixit also noted that both the screen and battery are difficult to remove. The removal of the display, in particular, if not done carefully, could compromise the Touch ID technology. "Battery and screen replacements are the two most common repairs, and the iPad Mini makes both unnecessarily difficult," iFixit said. "The battery lacks pull-to-remove adhesive tabs, and the display requires a tricky removal of the home button if you want to keep Touch ID after your repair."

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  1. The Hallmark of great design... by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is ease to maintain.

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    1. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by FFOMelchior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The greatest design is what reaches the intended goal. For Apple, it's putting more $$$ in their pocket. So, this design is perfect as intended.

    2. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      is ease to maintain.

      Then let's bring back the Model T.

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    3. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That's the "absurd absolute" argument, when you restate your opponent's argument as something absurd and absolute.

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    4. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is ease to maintain.

      Great designs, don't tend to generate the killer profits shareholders demand in the 21st Century.

      Prematurely killing hardware through shitty design and obsolescence, does.

    5. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in the long term. I'll tell you what. I'm not going to go buy another $800 device when the last $800 device failed after 5 years and couldn't be repaired. I'll live without it if I have to. Who really "needs" and ipad? Or a smart phone? Or a computer? Or any other piece of optional electronic equipment? You need air to breathe, clean water to drink, and healthy food to eat. Beyond that everything else is extra.

    6. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The free market absolutely works. You don't have to buy it. Apple continues to do this because in spite of getting screwed there are enough stupid people who will buy another one anyway. This is the essence of what the market will bear.

    7. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Extreme? Okay, how about a '69 Plymouth instead.

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    8. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you, but it turns out though that we are in a minority. Although, perhaps after another great recession or even just a dot boom in the market, more will be like you.

      I have never paid more than $150 for a smartphone and keep them until they are completely obsolete (or, as one did, end up submerged in water). PCs I use for about ten years -- sometimes adding memory or disk space (although, I haven't done the latter in some years -- how many terabytes does one person need?).

    9. Re:The Hallmark of great design... by tsa · · Score: 1

      For any company, including Apple, it's putting more $$$ in their pocket.

      There. FTFY.

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  2. First Fuck Donald Trump Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pissed frost

  3. on the right to repair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "are you asking to do away with the free market system and have the government interfere, with the opportunity I like to call it, of a big business to make more money" - https://youtu.be/HUx0gReDFkE?t=4527

    1. Re: on the right to repair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are free to call for a free market when your company uses no police services to protect their executives, no courts to protect their IP, have no real estate property defended by the US military, and no banks overseen and underwrittern by the Fed.

      If you want to live in a society, we don't offer a ala carte option on the rules you have to follow. Feel free to volunteer yourself out of the "illegal to murder" collective though.

    2. Re: on the right to repair... by guruevi · · Score: 2

      That has nothing to do with free markets though. Government has a function, namely to protect me from you to a certain extent as well as to provide emergency and common life-supporting services. Where the boundaries between community and personal service lie is up to (some) debate but government shouldn't be targeting particular industries or individuals in any direction.

      Government is generally bad at everything, they should not get involved in the details of the market because they are too slow and bureaucratic to do anything timely. They should make sure the markets operate as fair as possible though.

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    3. Re: on the right to repair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >They should make sure the markets operate as fair as possible though.
      Good news! Our congressmen get regular advice on how to make things as fair as possible. They make sure *everyone* is allowed to artificially cause proprietor lockout. They make sure *everyone* that wants to be an ISP must meet arbitrary criteria a, b, c, d, (cont in binders 2-8)

  4. Let's see how fast they delete it this time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see how fast they delete it this time

  5. Are we used anything else? by ReneR · · Score: 2

    from a company which also permanently disables too low charged MacBook batteries, ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and unrepairable AirPods et al?

    1. Re:Are we used anything else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That video shows a first generation MacBook Pro last made in early 2008. The battery warranty is one year, which is an industry standard. Apple considers a model obsolete after 5 years from date of last sale. That machine was last sold in October 2008 and became obsolete in October 2013. Apple won't repair machines or sell parts once they are obsolete, even outside of warranty.

      The battery you got wasn't from Apple. Maybe it was counterfeit, maybe it was a refurbished unit (but nobody should be refurbishing batteries). You are complaining the replacement battery lasted six months, which is not surprising for a third party battery. I have had to go through multiple batteries, resetting the SMC, doing a full drain and recharge several times before I found one that actual worked and that is for a current model.

    2. Re:Are we used anything else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then you're saying that since we've made absolute crap an industry standard all is well and we have no reason to expect better? I have higher standards than that.

    3. Re:Are we used anything else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow! 85 subscribers! I'll certainly watch that crap!

    4. Re:Are we used anything else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you should stay in school and learn how to comprehend what you read. If you did graduate secondary school, I can only assume it was due to grade inflation and social promotion.

  6. Like what exactly? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    What "great designs" are there that are super easy to maintain?

    Maybe great design is a combination of a lot of factors, sometimes optimizing things like repairability over others, sometimes not.

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    1. Re:Like what exactly? by zlives · · Score: 1

      I guess the poster should have said that great design would not require much maintenance and what ever maintenance is required should be accessible.

    2. Re:Like what exactly? by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A couple examples come to my mind. The toilet :-) The IBM PC-AT. It amazes me that the basic mechanical design for many PCs is essentially the same today as it was in 1984.

      Many more really good examples are old cars and military equipment. Its a shame today that we accept products that are not designed to last and be maintained. The critical factor is profit and cost and I think we as consumers deserve better and we as engineers are responsible to make it so.

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    3. Re:Like what exactly? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you've seen modern PCs or toilets for that matter. Even simple stuff like dual flush systems are impossible to repair when a gasket or the plunger goes (it's also all plastic) and you just have to buy an entirely new one.

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    4. Re:Like what exactly? by zlives · · Score: 3, Interesting

      what is interesting to me is that the repair typically is more profitable business than the profit margin on a typical product. however the manufacturer can't control the entirety of the profit as some choose to self repair or don;t go back to manufacturer for repair.
      also it really has a lot to do with showing growth in the market rather than profit.

    5. Re:Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What "great designs" are there that are super easy to maintain?

      Here is a simple car example:

      One of the most common self maintenance tasks that you can perform on your own car is an oil change. On most cars, the oil filter is located somewhere low on the engine, often requiring that you raise the car to get underneath.

      I have two late model Subarus. Both of them have the oil filter up on top of the engine, right there when you open the hood. They are installed on top of a round tray that will catch any drops of oil when you remove the filter. The job can be done with no tools and no oily mess. On my Outback, even the oil drain plug is conveniently located near the front of the engine, just behind the front bumper. You can do the entire oil change job with the car sitting on the garage floor.

      It is a really small thing, but it makes a real difference in the time, effort and mess it makes to change the oil.

    6. Re:Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then there were all the older Ferraris that required the engine to be removed to replace the belts

    7. Re:Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What "great designs" are there that are super easy to maintain?

      Maybe great design is a combination of a lot of factors, sometimes optimizing things like repairability over others, sometimes not.

      AK-47

    8. Re:Like what exactly? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      HP Laserjet 5si (and 8000 series) printers were designed for maintainability. The electronics and motors were on a backplane, and all other components connected to them with easy push-on or drop-in connectors. The most common repairs were stupidly easy to accomplish. You can remove the fuser and various pick-up rollers without a screwdriver. Along with the toner cartridge, these were the most commonly replaced parts. I have seen these printers with MILLIONS of pages on them.

    9. Re: Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um, lots of modern PC cases are still well designed. Basically any PC cases you deliberately buy are fine. Now, if you are getting a "free" case by buying a PC you might be cutting corners a little too sharply, but actual case vendors are good.

      The ultra budget Thermaltake H series for example, is well made, quiet, and blood sacrifice free for $35 or so.

    10. Re:Like what exactly? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Most firearms when it really comes down to it. AK while easy to maintain is more known for being rugged.

    11. Re: Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried to change a headlamp on a Subaru lately though. I pay the dealer to do that now, sigh.

    12. Re: Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up you clueless fucktard

    13. Re:Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The IBM PC-AT. It amazes me that the basic mechanical design for many PCs is essentially the same today as it was in 1984.

      I can think of very little that is still the same from that time. I serviced IBM PC-ATs and today's machines are so much better designed.

    14. Re:Like what exactly? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Toilets aren't that easy to maintain... Unclogging is not fun and only the Japanese have managed to invent self-cleaning ones. They can struggle with hard water too.

      I don't know why the west loves crappy crappers. They are so primitive compared to a luxury Toto bog. Where's the power lift lid, the remote control, the night time mood lighting, the deodorizer, and of course the arse-wash?

      And for maintainability, the detergent tank and auto-cleaning cycle.

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    15. Re:Like what exactly? by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

      LOL

      >Toilets aren't that easy to maintain... Unclogging is not fun
      Its more fun than changing an iPhone battery

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    16. Re:Like what exactly? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      They're still mostly terrible compared with the greats. By far, the best-designed desktop I've seen has to be the PowerMac 7500/7600 series, and by a large margin. To access the motherboard, you press two latches up on the front and slide the top case forward. Then, you slide two small latches and the entire disk drive section folds outwards, and a flip-up plastic piece holds it up off the table so that it isn't unstable in that configuration. Then, you flip out another plastic cover above the PCI slots, and at that point basically the entire motherboard is exposed, with access to RAM, battery, slots, etc.

      And removing the power supply is as simple as unplugging the cables, closing the hinged part, removing one easily accessed screw, sliding the power supply forward (IIRC) and lifting.

      And the hard drives are on sleds that you can remove by... lifting, IIRC... and then sliding it forwards. And, of course, you can easily get to the cables with the drive section flipped up.

      Add that all up, and it was the only non-laptop computer I've ever worked on regularly without getting a single cut from sharp-edged metal.

      Don't get me wrong, later Macs were decent, and the G5 was almost at the same level design-wise, but if you've ever watched someone replace a G5 power supply, you understand why the 7500/7600 design wins hands down. And, of course, the twin turbojet engines. :-)

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    17. Re:Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often do you throw out the toilet in favor of purchasing a new one? Just curious...
      Captcha: anarchy

    18. Re: Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds simple!

    19. Re: Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's known to be cheap. Czech made AKs are rugged, reliable, and easy to maintain. However, they are expensive, so they are found only in arsenal of professional armies. Russian AKs are middle-class, with reliability sometimes lacking. Chinese knockoffs are everywhere, but I would never call them maintainable. They simply spew bullets until they stop, or blow up (which they tend to do when clogged).

    20. Re:Like what exactly? by tsa · · Score: 1

      Bicycle. Pen. Scissors. Rocks. Paper.

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    21. Re:Like what exactly? by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      +1 to that. I love how easy it is to change the oil/filter on my Subaru and my mechanically-inclined friends have noticed and commented on it as well.

    22. Re: Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you from experience that I would rather replace 100 iPhone batteries (and I have) rather than unclogging a single toilet.

      Thanks for playing.

    23. Re:Like what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what he said. It rarely breaks, so it needs to be as comfortable as possible, even if that's equal more money.

  7. Why does Apple get a pass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Dell released a glued-together laptop and withheld service information and parts, we'd be reading about that, right here, followed by all the deserved outrage.

    1. Re:Why does Apple get a pass? by guruevi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Obviously we're not getting articles about the Dell, Samsung etc primarily because they're irrelevant to most of us, any of the thousands of models they have gets barely a percentage of the market whereas apple has 2 or 3 models take up 50% of the market.

      But yeah, they're not at all serviceable, you can't even find an iFixit tear down or parts for many. Apple gear is surprisingly fixable even though iFixit says it's getting harder as they cram more and more parts, you can typically replace a battery or screen in less than an hour with the right tools and minimal experience.

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    2. Re: Why does Apple get a pass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ?. You are a blatant liar.

  8. Easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't by Apple products.

    1. Re:Easy fix. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      People don't buy Maserati's for their ease of maintenance.

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    2. Re: Easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But at least you don't have to buy a brand new Maserati when the spark plugs are worn out !

    3. Re:Easy fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People don't buy Maserati's for their ease of maintenance.

      Apple may have qualified for that kind of comparison once upon a time, but it's been a number of years since that has been true. Today, you largely buy Apple for the brand and based on their past history of having once been worth the premium.

      If you wanted to buy an Apple computer for the ease of maintenance, you'd buy an Apple II, II+, IIe, IIgs, or an old Mac Pro tower, not a modern Mac or iDevice.

  9. Inching towards... by tomxor · · Score: 0

    The $1000 item vending machine of the future: Apple.

    In 10,000 years, aliens visit a strangely composite rock. Tiny intricate compartments of hydrocarbons and rare earth metals cover the surface almost entirely, the rectangular compartments are in such a formation as to make it infeasibly difficult to usefully recover any of the materials short of throwing them into a star - the alien archaeologists will find that the extinct inhabitants converted 99% of the useful earth material of the planet into these strange little formations - they drew the only possible conclusion: the inhabitants must have had blindingly strong religious connections to these small rectangles to have dedicated all resources and life on their planet into irreversibly manufacturing these small objects before quickly burying them in the ground.

    1. Re:Inching towards... by sosume · · Score: 1

      We've only had smartphones for little over a decade. I bet smartphones will disappear and replaced by a totally different tech within the next 15 years..

    2. Re:Inching towards... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not supposed to be a literal prediction. Fictions are can be warnings, they can be exploratory, they are not just entertainment, they allow us to consider the _real_ in a new light that is usually difficult to access or intangible without the induced imagination of the _unreal_, fantastical or futuristic.

  10. Tax it by nightfire-unique · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I will single-issue-vote for any representative that promises to table and/or support legislation adding a stiff tax on products based on an e-waste assessment.

    Wear items, such as batteries, glued into the device? 50% recycling tax.

    Non-standard fasteners (ie. Torx with an anti-tamper pin)? 75% recycling tax.

    Cryptographic challenges preventing the use of replacement parts, kernels, roms, etc? 100% recycling tax.

    If any legislators are reading this comment: I will vote for you if you push right-to-repair legislation, no matter what else you stand for.

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    1. Re:Tax it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is the most important issue overriding all other considerations that you vote on, then you are a damn fool.

    2. Re:Tax it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Single-issue voting is relevant to how we elected a doorknob for president. Tread carefully.

    3. Re:Tax it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only serves to increase the power of regulators. You don't want to do that.

      What you DO want is to make sure you tell everyone you know about companies' bad practices. Nothing impacts a company more than people not buying their product.

    4. Re:Tax it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am holding out for the instant runoff elections. With a two party system the choice is made for you based on demographics.

    5. Re:Tax it by larryjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I will single-issue-vote for any representative that promises to table and/or support legislation adding a stiff tax on products based on an e-waste assessment.

      Tangential comment: It may be surprising to most English speakers, but the word "table" in the above context has exactly opposite meanings in the UK and the US. The above phrase in the UK means to "submit (a bill, etc) for consideration by a legislative body" whereas in the US, it means to "suspend discussion of (a bill, etc) indefinitely or for some time". During a recent conversation, my English friend and I were really confused for a while until we figured out what the other person meant.

    6. Re:Tax it by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Glad someone commented on this. I was aware of it, but it bears repeating with each ambiguous usage of "table" here at Slashdot, simply to prevent confusion from spreading. Ideally, we'd simply use alternative wording.

    7. Re:Tax it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an awfully large blank check. Why does everyone think this is a problem that needs to be solved politically, or through legislation? Do you not possess the ability to vote with your wallet? If you don't like the terms don't buy the product. What you're saying is I like the product, but I want to manipulate the vendor into giving it to me on my terms through legislation. This is exactly why the legal system is such a mess. Hold vendors accountable by not accepting mediocrity.

  11. Apple lies, customers needlessly lose data by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    Check out this Louis Rossman video. Apple flat-out lies about being able to salvage data off of damaged phones. Independent repair shop cites a 95% success rate in doing so, while Apple's only response is "all your photos are gone forever. Buy a new phone."

    When she tried to help grieving people on the Apple forums, they banned her. She can find nothing in the TOS that disallows what she said.

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  12. Apple make hard to repair products by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 2

    In other news today, water is wet.

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    1. Re:Apple make hard to repair products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This comment is so innovative and new, I can't help but think you're Jony Ive

  13. Post the direct link to the report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad+Mini+5+Teardown/121589

    How hard is that?

  14. Link to iFixit article by CapS · · Score: 1

    Not sure why it didn't link directly to the iFixit article, but here it is:

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardow...

    1. Re:Link to iFixit article by msauve · · Score: 1

      Yep, the summary sucks, as does msmash, who should have ensured that a summary about ifixit's findings would have at least one link to ifixit, and not lame ones to cnet and past /. articles.

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  15. Of course its hard to repair by DrXym · · Score: 1

    Apple don't want you to repair it. They want you to throw it in the trash and buy another one.

  16. This is the Apple Idiot Tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to be an idiot to buy into Apple products, over and over and over, knowing they fuck you time after time. When was the last time Apple rolled out a product that was built to last, worked, and you could easily have it repaired when common parts died and broke due to accidents? Let's hope the next phone is $2500, lasts 3 months, and has a repairability score of 1/10. I can't wait to see more idiots complain when their phone dies, battery dies, or they're holding it wrong. I'll join Apple in saying "Fuck'em, as it takes a special kind of stupid to buy our products!" :)

  17. The fall of Apple post-Jobs. by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    iPad Mini Makes Two Common Repairs 'Unnecessarily Difficult,' Says iFixit

    What a disappointment. If Steve jobs was still running the company, he would have made sure that *three* common repairs were unnecessarily difficult!

  18. give apple an award by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    How about the "Rotten Apple Award"

    I guess apple is preparing for the right to repair laws. They are going to make things difficult for diy repairs.

  19. It's obviously deliberate. by shm · · Score: 1

    The last macbook pro I bought had the battery up against the keyboard instead of being user accessible.

    Apple just wants you to junk the entire machine instead of replacing the battery.

    I'm done with these jokers.

  20. Dell is probably easiest to repair by _merlin · · Score: 1

    You've never used a Dell professional machine. I have a Precision desktop, a Latitude notebook, and PowerEdge servers. The service manuals are freely available, with step-by-step instructions and diagrams for accessing and replacing every component. Nothing is glued or taped together - everything uses fasteners of some kind. Spare parts are easy to order, too. There aren't iFixit teardowns for Dell notebooks because they're completely unnecessary. Dell doesn't have a problem with companies doing in-house repairs on their Dell computers, and even facilitates it.

    1. Re:Dell is probably easiest to repair by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

      The trend seems to be making laptops more difficult to fix/upgrade though. No more batteries that you can take out without a tool, no more easy access to the RAM and HDD. Slimbooks, touchscreens, etc trying to cram everything in. Some things you can't upgrade because it's all soldered together. I know it's not as bad as an Ipad, but they are turning something an absolute novice could do, like change a battery out, to something where you have to unscrew the back, unclip ribbon cables, etc. Obviously there are some exceptions.