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The UN Wants To Build Floating Cities To Save Us From Climate Change (wired.com)

dmoberhaus writes: On Wednesday, the United Nations convened its first ever round table on floating cities. WIRED was in attendance to hear about one specific proposal -- Oceanix City -- the creation of a co-founder of Blue Frontiers, the for-profit wing of the Thiel-backed Seasteading Institute. This project, he says, is less about libertarianism and more about survival. It sounds like paradise, but many technological, economic, and political hurdles will have to be overcome before it's a reality. "Oceanix City was designed by the renowned Danish architect Bjarke Ingels, along with dozens of experts from institutions like the UN and MIT," Wired reports. "According to Ingels, who lives on a houseboat himself, residents of the floating city will use 100 percent renewable energy, eat only plant-based food, produce zero waste, and provide housing affordable to all, not just the rich."

"At the core of Oceanix City is a 4.5-acre hexagonal floating platform that is meant to host up to 300 people," the report adds. "These platforms are modular, meaning they can be linked to form larger communities as they tessellate across the surface of the ocean. Each platform will be anchored to the ocean floor using biorock, a material that is harder than concrete and can be grown using minerals found in the ocean, which could make the anchor more secure over time. These anchors might also serve as the seeds of artificial reefs to rejuvenate aquatic ecosystems around the floating city." The community's needs and city's location will determine the design of each platform. For example, some could act as barriers to limit the impact of waves; while others could be dedicated to agriculture. Wired goes on to discuss the political and technological challenges associated with these floating cities.

"The plan for the first Oceanix City is to moor it about a mile off the coast of a major city," reports Wired. "If one of these ocean-top communities were to get parked near New York City, for example, the floating community could be treated as a new borough, or a separate city under the jurisdiction of the state..."

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  1. These sound about as safe and by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

    reasonable as the project of that 20 year-old that was supposed to clean up the ocean plastic.

    Also, see Jules Verne's Propeller Island.

    1. Re:These sound about as safe and by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      reasonable .

      Huh?

      a) What's reasonable about spending trillions of dollars on making cities float instead of spending less money on not needing to do that (eg. passing a few laws to penalize emissions, invest in renewable energy and next-gen nuclear power)?
      b) What's reasonable about plans that make floating Floridas for the rich and will leave the other 99.999% of the world to fend for themselves?

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    2. Re:These sound about as safe and by Teckla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Humanity is rocketing towards 8 billion people. Laws passed by a few countries with good intentions isn't going to stop humanity from emitting crazy amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.

    3. Re: These sound about as safe and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think rich people are going to live on 4 acres with 300 other people?

      Are you fucking retarded?

    4. Re:These sound about as safe and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      b) What's reasonable about plans that make floating Floridas for the rich

      According to the visionary himself, the houses will be affordable for the poor.

      According to Trump, America will be great again.

    5. Re: These sound about as safe and by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      You think rich people are going to live on 4 acres with 300 other people?

      Manhattan has a population density higher than that, and plenty of rich people live there.

    6. Re: These sound about as safe and by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      You think rich people are going to live on 4 acres with 300 other people?

      Are you fucking retarded?

      Is 300 not enough servants?

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    7. Re:These sound about as safe and by Can'tNot · · Score: 2

      Maybe not, but laws passed by 185 countries with good intentions could very possibly do that. I know it's trendy, but shouting "The end is nigh!" is really not helpful.

  2. Hurricanes and cyclones by vlad30 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cities on land suffer badly from these imagine on an ocean. Oh wait on the other hand this is a great idea all those people wanting to save the planet please move onto one of these floating Death Traps^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ Cities your sacrifice^H^H^H^H^H^H pioneering lead will reduce the carbon footprint very quickly

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    1. Re:Hurricanes and cyclones by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of the damage from hurricanes (at least in developed countries) is from storm surge, since modern engineering is generally up to the task of handling wind damage. If you can literally just float over the surge, that risk goes away.

  3. Four acres, 300 people? by darthsilun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fresh water production? Sewage treatment? I'm sure they've thought of these things right?
    Four acres just doesn't seem big enough for 300 people, growing food, producing electricity, treating sewage, and producing fresh water.
    And 21st Century? Four acres is 1.6 hectares. As an American myself, isn't time we started getting lined up with the rest of the world and use metric first? Really, it is time.

    1. Re:Four acres, 300 people? by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fresh water production? Sewage treatment? I'm sure they've thought of these things right?

      How about other materials ? Glass, steel, copper, plastics, wood, plastics, ... the list is endless. And for everything they obtain from the mainland in trade, they need to produce something useful in return.

    2. Re: Four acres, 300 people? by gtall · · Score: 2

      Fishing? Probably not. The oceans are acidifying and the lower parts of the food chain are already being eaten or destroyed. Hell, they won't even be able to sell tours to see whales after the Japanese have gutted them all for "science".

    3. Re:Four acres, 300 people? by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      Which would put hurricanes in a much more friendly light.

    4. Re:Four acres, 300 people? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      And for everything they obtain from the mainland in trade, they need to produce something useful in return.

      No need. This is 100% powered by good intentions!

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    5. Re:Four acres, 300 people? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So what services will the islanders be delivering to the mainland ?

      The same services any city provides to the rest of the country.

      There are no steel mills or factories in NYC or SF. It is all services: law, finance, design, engineering, etc.

  4. Let's look for a real solution instead! by aglider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not a workaround that will produce even more pollution and problems!

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  5. What a nasty spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, the title is a plain, outright lie. The UN does not want this. Some researchers have explored the idea. Thatâ(TM)s it.

    It makes you wander what possible motive would you need to have to fake the title like this. Like, for example, to fuel hatred of the âoeotherâ, the conspiracy theory of UN wanting to be world government and so on. Crackpot is too good a word.

    1. Re:What a nasty spin by bigpat · · Score: 2

      It makes you wander what possible motive would you need to have to fake the title like this. Like, for example, to fuel hatred of the âoeotherâ, the conspiracy theory of UN wanting to be world government and so on. Crackpot is too good a word.

      Why is this a "conspiracy theory"? Some people would like the UN to be a world government. And who can blame them when most of the world governments are pretty much shit might as well see if the UN can sort things out or at least send some money their way.

      Sometimes I have thought a world government based on Liberty and democracy would be a good idea, but apparently I don't exist in your mind and people that believe in a world government are just fodder for crackpots.

      Ultimately I don't think the putting all our eggs in one world government basket approach works out for the other countries where governments and economies are at least mostly working for people. And given most of the world isn't free and democratic and the countries that do think of themselves as free and democratic are barely either of those things, the chances of actually getting a world government that is free and democratic are very very low.

      Otherwise, yes maybe the motive of the headline writer is to make the UN look stupid. But the UN does plenty to make itself look stupid so pretty much awash there.

      But to dismiss as crackpots those that would dare discuss the pros and cons of world government really does just force the debate into the shadows and creates the very climate of conspiracy that fuels paranoia.

    2. Re:What a nasty spin by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      Why is this a "conspiracy theory"? Some people would like the UN to be a world government. And who can blame them when most of the world governments are pretty much shit might as well see if the UN can sort things out or at least send some money their way.

      That doesn't make sense. The UN is nothing more -- and nothing less -- than the collective wills of the current national governments around the world. If they collectively want something done then the often do it via the UN machinery. If they don't collectively want something done then the UN doesn't do it.

      Writing your sentence out in full, it becomes "Some people want the governments of the world working together to be a world government".

  6. 300 people? They already exist. by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're called ocean liners and they're about as enviromentally unfriendly as you can get.

    1. Re:300 people? They already exist. by Doke · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least ocean cruise liners move around to give the paying guests some change of scenery. Their income is from selling scenic trips to people on vacation. These platforms would have nothing to sell, and no economic reason for anyone to visit.

  7. Feed The Poor First by dryriver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Then build your floating "survival cities for the rich". Every few seconds a child dies in the developing world, and these people want to fill the oceans with floating hexagons...

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    1. Re:Feed The Poor First by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not feeding the poor would make more sense if you want to slow down climate change.

  8. poorly thought out by Doke · · Score: 2

    A tiny man-made island will have no space to grow crops, no soil to grow them in, and no earth to mine for minerals. The only thing they can actually harvest from the surrounding ocean will be fish. Everything else would have to be imported: fuel, metal, plastic, paper, etc. Even their electricity would depend on continuously importing solar cells, batteries, even wire to make up for losses due to age, weather, accidents, etc. The suggestion that they would eat only plant based foods is especially stupid. Every island culture in history has included fish in their diet, because it's the most convenient source of protein. In this case, it would be the only local food source.

  9. Flying pigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If we can't use 100 percent renewable energy, eat only plant-based food, produce zero waste, and provide housing affordable to all on land, WTF makes them think they will be able to do that in the sea?

  10. Kevin Costner was right! by azcoyote · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...but if the movie is any indication, this project is going to cost a lot of money...

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  11. Stop make children like rabbits by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    I'll probably be modded to oblivion but to me the best solution to a lot of humanity current and future problems is reducing the number of people on Earth. I don't say how, I don't know how, but I'm pretty sure it's the best one.

    1. Re:Stop make children like rabbits by doom · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't say how, I don't know how, but I'm pretty sure it's the best one.

      I have the answer, but I just don't know what it is.

      It's not at all clear that a massive die-back would actually solve any problems to speak of, because human beings aren't just mouths to feed, they're hands and brains--

      If you're thinking "boy we could use less resources if only we kill those poors", maybe a more effective solution would be to kill the people using the most resources, which are not the poor people...

      The Best Solution most of us have is to let the entire world turn into the "first world" (already well underway), let rising living standards and personal choice restrain birthrates (pretty much "just happens"), then we figure out how to generate a bunch of clean energy-- which we already know how to do, we just need to convince the anti-nuclear activists that they're the creationists of the left, and somehow pry the world's economy out of the grip of the fossil fuel industry--

      And there we hit another wall of practical knowledge. I'll get back to you.

  12. This already exists. It's a dystopia nightmare. by DalM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Floating cities like this already exist all around the world. They are nightmares of poverty and environmental catastrophes.

    The mistake these planners always make is forgetting that entropy is a thing. Everything is great when it's new, but new doesn't last long.

  13. Sea level rise is just one of the problems by rossdee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and not the most serious one.
    Throughout history (and prehistory) the weather phenomenon that has killed the most people is drought.

  14. Correction to title by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " The UN Wants money from the west to perhaps, someday, but probably not Build Floating Cities To Save Us From Climate Change or to be paid out as climate reparations, or just disappear into a 3rd world dictator's bank account never to be seen again

  15. Floating city, floating city by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Twenty times that article says floating, but what is this?

    "Each platform will be anchored to the ocean floor using biorock, a material that is harder than concrete and can be grown using minerals found in the ocean, which could make the anchor more secure over time. "

    It's not even floating. It's just land-building. Bloody expensive, but hardly revolutionary.

    And the talk of powering it all off renewable energy, not having any expensive housing and making everyone eat vegetarian? That sounds pretty ideological to me. History is littered with colonies started on ideology, and they seldom ended well. A community founded on ideological purity will always run into trouble as soon as members start to drift from it.

  16. Where do you move an entire island nation? by doom · · Score: 2

    As is not unusual, slashdot is missing the point. Here it is from the first paragraph:

    By the middle of the next century, many of the world's major cities will be flooded, and in some cases, entire island nations will be underwater. The people who live there will have to relocate. But to where?

    Does anyone at all see the point of this yet? You've got large populations (including entire small nations) living in places that will likely be underwater in not centuries, but decades. Progress on restraining global warming has been nil, research into amelioration techniques gives people the heebie-jeebies (for good reasons), displaced populations on the move are already creating anti-immigrant backlash and electing right-wing bastards who are not exactly expected to solve any real problems-- they do better making problems worse and blaming the other guys-- So there you are at the UN, someone asks you "where are we going to put all these people?", now what do you say?

    Floating habitats may indeed turn out to be go nowhere, but research into the feasibility of floating habitats is pretty much a no-brainer.

    1. Re:Where do you move an entire island nation? by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      By the middle of the next century, many of the world's major cities will be flooded, and in some cases, entire island nations will be underwater. The people who live there will have to relocate. But to where?

      I broke my moderation to point something out here. Does any one really think that we are going to sit by and let major cities flood? We have had this technology for centuries called dikes. Many cities are built below sea level and surrounded by dikes that do just fine.

      Of course this doesn't mean there won't be other problems. *cough*New Orleans*cough* But I don't see us just sitting around and letting billions of dollars worth of realestate flood when it can be prevented.

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  17. Re:what a wonderfull morning. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    1.) You can't live on a cruise ship.

    Yes you can.

  18. Sounds like Mr. Ingels by DesertNomad · · Score: 2

    and his colleagues have been reading Snow Crash. Or maybe they haven't?