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Washington State Commits To Running Entirely On Clean Energy By 2045 (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: On Thursday, the Washington state legislature officially passed one of the most ambitious clean energy bills in the nation. Washington is now committed to making the state's electricity supply carbon neutral by 2030 and 100 percent carbon-free by 2045. The bill makes the fourth state to commit to 100 percent clean energy and adds a feather to the cap of Governor Jay Inslee who requested the bill be introduced. Inslee is running as a climate candidate for president that can get things done in the District if elected, and this bill is a very tangible accomplishment he can now point to.

The bill previously passed the state senate 28-19. After passing the house 56-42 on Thursday, the legislation goes back to the senate for a final vote. Once signed into law, Washington will join, Hawaii, California, and New Mexico as the fourth state committed to 100 percent clean energy. Washington, D.C. and Puerto Rico have also made similar commitment as well as more than 90 cities, according to tracking by the Sierra Club. The bill shuts the door on coal, saying it "is the policy of the state to eliminate coal-fired electricity." By calling for energy to come from carbon-free sources by 2045, it leaves the door open for nuclear power. [...] In addition to committing to cutting emissions, the bill is also designed to ensure the transition to renewables and any bumps in energy prices aren't shouldered by the poor. The bill calls says utilities "must make funding available for energy assistance to low-income households."

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  1. Washington State Has A Great History On Power by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    https://www.investopedia.com/t...

    Largest default in municipal bond history. I guess either memories or short or it was profitable enough for some people that a new generation wants to try again.

  2. Yep, and... by BringsApples · · Score: 2

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    goooo saints!

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    1. Re:Yep, and... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You'll be lucky if we get self-driving cars by 2015.

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  3. I had a dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can finally get better than shotgunned 128K ISDN in Seattle.

  4. Ha! Jokes on them! By 2045 everyone and I mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    everyone will be dead. This planet is doomed.

    Yours,
    Jor-El

  5. Baffling by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    A commitment to run on clean energy by a given date that doesn't require breaking the laws of physics. This also appears to give enough time to adapt without bankrupting household and companies alike. This is long term enough thinking that the politicians proposing it can't get political benefit within a few election cycles? This appears to be at least somewhat feasible.

    What the hell happened?

    1. Re:Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Boomer logic. "Oil is fine for us, let's stick our kids with solar."

    2. Re:Baffling by mschuyler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's long term enough thinking that the politicians proposing it won't be around to take the blame when it doesn't happen. They are committing the next generation to pull it off, not themselves. So they DO get political benefit without actually doing anything.

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    3. Re:Baffling by magzteel · · Score: 2

      It's long term enough thinking that the politicians proposing it won't be around to take the blame when it doesn't happen. They are committing the next generation to pull it off, not themselves. So they DO get political benefit without actually doing anything.

      Exactly right

    4. Re: Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      26 years really is not a lot of time. Especially for Government projects. I'll lay down a bet that says all they will do is redefine clean energy and plant a few trees to offset CO2 when they cant make their goals.

      By the way, the trees they plant are simply Jack Pines planted to replace recently harvested ones. In turn to be harvested in 10 to 20 years from now.

    5. Re: Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't blame boomers. It's those damn millennials that are pushing the dream of economies running on unicorn farts and pony smiles. You can blame the boomers for snickering at their foolishness and patronizing them for votes though. They won't be around to care anymore when the millennials finally wake up, start looking around and realize their standard of living sucks.

    6. Re: Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a gen-xer I'm somewhat annoyed with this plan. I'll still be here (God willing) but too old to do anything about it. I say if it don't work we'll burn millennials to keep warm and generate electricity.

    7. Re:Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm well aware politicians think we, the voting public, are stupid, but this decision is an insult to MORANS. Clearly, every sitting Washington state legislator is only qualified to be an HOA board member. Nothing more.

    8. Re:Baffling by gtall · · Score: 1

      Boomer Logic: The Environment will be fine until I go tits up, fuck the kids.

    9. Re: Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baby Boomers. I canâ(TM)t wait for that selfish generation to die off

    10. Re:Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I live in Washington state, I pay 6.8 cents per KWh. 96% is hydro. 3.5% is a mix of nuclear, wind and solar and the rest coal. A lot of the state has similar stats. Getting electricity to 100% non-coal is not a difficult thing.

    11. Re:Baffling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      numbnuts

  6. Not hard by darkain · · Score: 4, Informative

    It isn't that hard. We're already in the 85%+ range as it is because most of our state's power is hydro-electric.

    For example, here is the info on Tacoma: https://www.mytpu.org/about-tp...

    1. Re:Not hard by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Was going to post something to this effect; it's virtually meaningless green-standing.

      Next up, Idaho commits to cutting potato imports to 0 by 2055. "This spuds for you!"

    2. Re:Not hard by markdavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >"It isn't that hard. We're already in the 85%+ range as it is because most of our state's power is hydro-electric."

      Which illustrates why doing such things (like most things) at the State level makes sense. Each State is different- has different resources, issues, problems. It spurs competition, encourages experimentation, allows faster reaction, focuses on issues that matter to those in that area, and allows more freedom. I have to remind people about the concept of the United States all the time (and the 10th Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights).

    3. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Washington produces more potatoes than Idaho, and slightly less white supremacists.

    4. Re:Not hard by timeOday · · Score: 2

      I would think that going from 85% to 100% would be quite hard, because hydro is presumably tapped out, population will grow over that time, and getting to 100% with wind and solar would require energy storage. Do they have enough reservoirs to turn down hydro when solar and wind are going, saving that water for when they are not?

    5. Re: Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this really isnâ(TM)t hard. For a location with that level of hydro, this seems extremely unambitious. I suppose it is better than doing nothing, but only just.

    6. Re:Not hard by PPH · · Score: 1

      Lets see how well the governors commitment fits with tearing down the Snake River hydroelectric dams.

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    7. Re:Not hard by FuzzMaster · · Score: 1

      If only there were a carbon-free option besides wind, solar, and hydro that could be deployed in that timeframe...

    8. Re:Not hard by darkain · · Score: 1

      85% is just hydro, which percentage wise has actually decreased overall thanks to wind and solar. All renewable combined is significantly higher percentage, and is higher than the last time I checked the reports a few years ago. Washington has massive wind farms on the east side of the mountains, plus a huge push for energy conservation. Most everything is already in place, their statement is more of just a formality of what is already happening.

    9. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not potatoes but we are on the bandwagon.

      https://www.kivitv.com/news/idaho-power-announces-100-clean-energy-goal-by-2045

    10. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. One that wouldn't pose a whole host of other problems. Carbon-free isn't the only concern. We'd not like to generate tons of waste that never goes away either.

    11. Re: Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy storage is making progress...

      https://reneweconomy.com.au/sa-made-silicon-energy-storage-system-ready-close-grid-gap-23607/

    12. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having a hydro base load is actually ideal for using the quite variable solar and wind for the rest--it's trivial to store energy not used now for later (and one can even pump water back up if there is a true excess). The seasonal variations in hydro reservoirs dwarf the hourly or daily change that would be caused by deferring to wind and solar.

    13. Re:Not hard by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      New law: Any action taken to reduce emissions will be dismissed as either insincere or unrealistic.

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    14. Re:Not hard by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Scotland is aiming for 200% renewable energy in the next few years. 100% for themselves and the same again to export.

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    15. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a reasonable bet.

    16. Re:Not hard by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Only 3% of energy in Wa state is carbon based (1.2% coal, 1.6% natural gas, all other non-carbon based, hydro, nuclear, wind, etc.). They don't need to get from 85% to 100%, they need to get from 97% to 100%.

    17. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, SJW.

      numbnuts

  7. Bend over, middle class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > the bill is also designed to ensure the transition to renewables and any bumps in energy prices aren't shouldered by the poor.

    You're about to get "shouldered!"

  8. better start licensing those nukes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you don't support fission you don't support clean energy.

    1. Re:better start licensing those nukes by Strider- · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you don't support fission you don't support clean energy.

      This is WA. They're already running 85% Hydro Electric, and have significant capabilities to add wind in the south-eastern part of the state. The hydro system actually has the capacity to power the entire state, but can't as it would be using the water unsustainably. Add in Wind/Solar, and you can use the Hydro as a large battery, buffering the output from these more intermittent sources. When the wind is blowing, the sun shining, you spin down the hydro plants, and let the water store up. When the wind goes calm and the skies are cloudy, you run the Hydro hard, and draw down on your reservoirs.

      This isn't rocket science.

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    2. Re:better start licensing those nukes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't make baseless outlandish claims you support murdering cute kittens.

  9. Cryptocurrency miners need to go then by ASCIIxTended · · Score: 0

    I live in central Washington, where most of the state's hydro-electric power comes from. I pay less than $.03 per kilowatt/hr for power here, but that price has been steadily rising because of cryptocurrency operations setting up shop in the area. In the past we have always had a large surplus of power that was sold to California at a higher rate, but not anymore. The mining operations will have to go before this plan will happen, as I think more and more of them will be moving here. One of the small local airports is even adding direct flights to SanFrancisco because of all the mining operation employees that come up here from that city. Normally that airport only has flights to/from Seattle.

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  10. Not a done deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This legislation has not passed as yet, and the governor has not signed it. You may be announcing this a bit prematurely.

    1. Re:Not a done deal. by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      You may be announcing this a bit prematurely.

      Not really. It is a common tactic. Announce something that people will say "great idea", even if it doesn't stand a chance of passing. If it passes, no harm. If it doesn't pass, then make a big commotion about how it was shot down by [insert party here]. Win, win!

  11. Tax and take.... by sdinfoserv · · Score: 0

    Inslee's State, Washington, tolls interstate roads with "pay to play" lanes. The option was voted in IF it would
    1- raise $17m
    2- AND maintain minimum speeds on the other lanes at a minimum of 45 MPH
    The result raised $31M and brought the other lanes (on the I405) to a complete crawl, yet, unshockingly, the state refuses to undue the debacle it created (even after it fired the engineer who designed it). More and more roads are being tolled as the State hands out more gimmies to homeless, mentally ill, drug users - it pushes free needles for heroin users and wants to have open "safe injection sites" staffed by doctors.

    1. Re:Tax and take.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I don't get the injection thing. If I were to give whisky to an alcoholic, it would be cruel and inhumane, but giving needles to junkies is wise and compassionate.

    2. Re:Tax and take.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free needles for drug addicts and safe injection points are a good idea, shown to be effective in improving addicts' lives which not (repeat, not) increasing drug use.

      As for the interstate roads - Washington (and the US) should develop minimally reasonable rail-based traffic so that this is a non-issue. The US over-emphasis on car travel infrastructure is wasteful, expensive and inconvenient.

  12. Re:I live in WA by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

    Our state legislature is planning to fuel us 100% by the smell of their own farts.

    Ahh, the San Francisco way!

    If that doesn't work, you can run off of smugness.

  13. Some counties already do this by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not really that heavy a lift, Washington State has a number of counties which already generate high levels of renewable energy, it's more a matter of phasing out dying coal energy from nearby states. If you look at the entire West Coast, you'll see that, at present, CA OR WA BC are all aiming for 100 percent RPS (Renewable Portfolio Standard) energy, and since we all have interties, there's a surplus of green energy sloshing around somewhere.

    At this rate, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico will soon be part of people doing things, rather than coming up with excuses for why they use expensive power from non-renewables.

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    1. Re: Some counties already do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Washington has some 3 million registered vehicles, and something like 100 airports. If they're included, then this is a heavy lift.

    2. Re: Some counties already do this by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      That's because a lot of people moved to our state. They also moved to Texas (lots of wind energy and solar) and Oregon (also 100 percent RPS).

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  14. Some of the states are getting smart. by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is no longer renewable, but clean. That is the smart way. It is foolish to commit just to wind/solar with storage. We need an.energy matrix. We also need to quit adding natural gas power plants. Last year, we went up a couple of %, and that was due in large part to nat gas electricity.

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    1. Re:Some of the states are getting smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last year, we went up a couple of %,

      Yes and per person you are still over double China and Europe. When will you start taking things seriously?

    2. Re:Some of the states are getting smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a truth matrix? Not from you obviously, but everyone else could form a truth matrix to compare your lies against.

  15. I love it when a state does something like this! by Nexion · · Score: 2

    Soon enough to make it appear that they are doing something about a problem, but still far out enough in the future to make it someone else's problem. Perfect!

  16. So, no flights to Seatle by SPopulisQR · · Score: 1

    As is usually the case, promises are made but those who make promises never get to be held accountable.

  17. Washington State... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is a college in Pullman.

  18. Washington Committs to Abandoning Target by 2045 by SEE · · Score: 3, Funny

    There, fixed that headline for you.

  19. campaign promise by mcswell · · Score: 2

    "Inslee is running as a climate candidate for president that can get things done in the District if elected, and this bill is a very tangible accomplishment he can now point to." It'll be tangible when (or rather, if) it succeeds by 2045; right now, it's a pledge and nothing more. So is Inslee planning on running for president in the 2048 election? (I'm also not clear what the District has to do with it; that's the *other* Washington.)

  20. Re:I live in WA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you sure it wasn't the smell of their policies?

  21. One more reason to split Wa into East/West states by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless Seattle is getting ready to add nuclear to their side of the sate.

  22. WA State government understands energy technology? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Probably nonsense? "Washington State Commits To Running Entirely On Clean Energy By 2045"

    I'm guessing: Maybe no one in the WA state government has an understanding of energy technology.

    Other issues that show a lack of understanding:

    1) In many places, Seattle doesn't have modern internet connections, as the parent comment indicates. One story: Seattle's low-income residents are 5-7 times more likely to be without internet (March 5, 2019)

    2) Washington State hasn't fixed the problems with traffic in Seattle. Fixing traffic congestion 'impossible,' says Washington transportation chief. (July 26, 2018)

    3) The Washington State laws are, in many cases, very poorly written. Three terrible initiatives in Washington State this year, plus a good one. (Oct. 18, 2018)

  23. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the sound of my energy bill skyrocketing. Screw you, Inslee.

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over 85% of the statewide energy is renewables or nuclear and already has the cheapest electricity in the country.

      numbnuts

  24. Not a hard reach by worldthinker · · Score: 1

    Washington states electricity source is already over 85% renewable so the remaining 15% could be achieved with mostly wind power. Maybe some Geothermal.

  25. Suck it Wa! There go your BILLS by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Watch your utility rates SKYROCKET!

  26. What happens if they don't meet their "commitment" by joe_frisch · · Score: 2

    What does it actually mean to commit in this situation? Is it any more than saying that they think its a good idea? (I think its a good idea, but don't know how a bill now enforces things in the future)

  27. Re:What happens if they don't meet their "commitme by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    (I think its a good idea, but don't know how a bill now enforces things in the future)

    It's like this. Lawmakers make laws. New laws automagicly supersede older laws.

    Soooo, as soon as a future legislature decides this law doesn't make sense (for whatever reason - they are anti-solar, they are pro-nuclear, they're getting kickbacks from Big Coal, whatever), it vanishes in a puff of new law.

    Net effect: it looks good on the Governor's Presidential bid, gives the Washington State pols something to tell their constituents about next election, and doesn't commit either the Governor or the legislators to do a damn thing....

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  28. Woo Hoo! Burning trees is back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trees are some of the greatest renewables, and over time they're fully carbon-neutral - You can grow them with sunlight and water (transferring carbon from the ground and air into the trees), chop them down and burn them (putting the carbon into the air and ground) , and repeat.

    Steam engines love to run on burning trees, and steam trains have gone pretty fast, so it's ideal for high-speed rail service.

    Nuclear is not renewable.
    Solar is not green when you consider all the strip mining and toxic chemicals needed to make them and all the problems disposing of them at EOL.
    Wind is similarly dependent upon strip-mined rate earth metals for any generator that's reasonably efficient.
    Hydro is no longer considered acceptable by environmentalists who love fish or oppose impacting rivers.

    Wood fires win!

  29. Re:WA State government understands energy technolo by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    2) Washington State hasn't fixed the problems with traffic in Seattle.

    Yeah it’s amazing how the rest of the US and the rest of the world have solved their traffic problems, leaving Seattle as the only place which has to deal with bad traffic.

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  30. Do you have a point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or were you just karma whoring for the anti-enviro whackos infesting slashdot?

  31. Wind and solar IS a matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What else did you think a matrix was? It's an interlocking infrastructure that fits where the others are failing. When it's winter it is usually windy. When it's still, it is usually clear skies too. As for "but yuh backups!!!!", EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GENERATOR NEEDS BACKUP. Every one. And we already have it. Fuck, hydro was promoted massively because of nuclear variation could take off GW of production at a moment's notice and any other backup generator needs an hour to ramp up, and even fast responders need many minutes to do so. So hydro was used to brigde the power gap of GW. One reason why hydro has massive capacity factors is because it is only going to run for a couple of hours tops at rated speed before it runs out of water, so unless it entirely fails to operate, it will generate at full capacity.

  32. Methane is clean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Washington state can collect it from all the bullshit their liberal constituents spew.

  33. Now implement a carbon tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Follow B.C.â(TM)s lead and build a world class transit system.

  34. Re: WA State government understands energy technol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other places raise the cost of fuel and fund public transit. Look across the border at Vancouver BC: expensive fuel, nice transit.

  35. Re:What happens if they don't meet their "commitme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot (it doesn't work).

  36. Re:WA State government understands energy technolo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I live in Washington state, I pay 6.8 cents per KWh. 96% is hydro. 3.5% is a mix of nuclear, wind and solar and the rest coal. A lot of the state has similar stats. Getting electricity to 100% non-coal is not a difficult thing.

    1. That is Seattle's issue not the state.

    2. Mostly bad planning by King County back in the 70's. It is nearly impossible to fix now.

    3. Initiatives are not a Washington State government written law. It is written by private citizens and voted on by private citizens. By the way, just because you disagree doesn't make them bad.

    Not one of those complaints has anything to do with energy management.

    numbnuts

  37. Not that difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I live in Washington state, I pay 6.8 cents per KWh. 96% is hydro. 3.5% is a mix of nuclear, wind and solar and the rest coal. A lot of the state has similar stats. Getting electricity to 100% non-coal is not a difficult thing.

    The massive amount of wind farms that have been up for many years in Eastern Washington shows this is nothing new. It is not some grand, pie in the sky plan. It is happening with or without this commitment.

    Washington is not some backwards shithole like Alabama that would die without aid from states like Washington and without coal.

    numbnuts.

  38. Re:Suck it Wa! There go your BILLS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over 85% of the statewide energy is renewables or nuclear and already is one of cheapest electricity rates in the country.

    The states with the highest rates are the ones dependent on coal.

    numbnuts

  39. Re:One more reason to split Wa into East/West stat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is at least one reactor on the west side of the state.

    numbnuts

  40. Idiot Trudeau Might Prevent This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by cancelling the Columbia River Treaty on Sepember 17, 2024.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_River_Treaty#Termination