George Lucas Actually Consulted For The Script Of 'Star War: Episode IX' (collider.com)

The teaser trailer for Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker has been viewed 13,665,350 times since its release Friday.

Collider reminds us that while George Lucas oversaw the original Star Wars trilogy and worked on its prequel trilogy, the final three movies in the franchise had moved ahead without direct involvement from the 74-year-old director: To recap, Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney in 2012, setting Kathleen Kennedy as the new head of Lucasfilm and handing over his treatments for Episode VII, Episode VIII, and Episode IX -- the final three films in his Skywalker saga. Kennedy and J.J. Abrams reportedly threw out much of what Lucas handed over (much to the Star Wars director's chagrin) in favor of charting their own path, and Lucas has been pretty mum on the new direction of Star Wars under Disney thus far -- save for high praise heaped on Rogue One and a visit to the set of Solo after Ron Howard took over the director's chair.

But it appears everything has come full circle, as Abrams revealed at Star Wars Celebration in an interview with IGN that when he signed on to direct Star Wars 9, he consulted Lucas before beginning work on the script. "This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before writing the script," Abrams revealed...

Having seen the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker trailer, this makes sense. The film looks to be leaning heavily on the original trilogy given the inclusion of that medal, the Death Star, and of course the return of Emperor Palpatine. And given Abrams' comments here, it sounds like he was very strongly thinking about Star Wars 9 as a conclusion to the entire Star Wars saga.
After that conclusion, Disney CEO Bob Iger says, "There are movies in development, but we have not announced them. We will take a pause, some time, and reset because the Skywalker saga comes to an end with this ninth movie.

"There will be other Stars Wars movies, but there will be a bit of a hiatus."

Comments

the two droids.

[Kaenneth]

It's just the story of C3PO and R2D2

Re: the two droids.

[Anonymous Coward]

When you faggots whine about SJW's you don't realize it but you have become the SJW's even worse than the original. You're a crybaby bitch.

Re: the two droids.

[Anonymous Coward]

Your logic is flawed, retard. SJWs are appeasing shitty useless minorities.

Re: the two droids.

[Anonymous Coward]

The quality of the recent crop of Star Wars films and extras has nothing to do with SJWs or minorities or any of that. They are poor films due to bad writing, directing and in some cases acting. Making the next ones have an all white male cast wouldn't fix anything, if that's all you changed.

Re:the two droids.

[Hardness]

Way ahead of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re: the two droids.

[Anonymous Coward]

Then virtually all-white-male cast in episode 4 was a shit movie. Because the script was juvenile shit literally.

Re: the two droids.

[walterbyrd]

> Making the next ones have an all white male cast wouldn't fix anything, if that's all you changed.

The races, or genders, of the cast has nothing to do with whether Star Wars was ruined by SJWs.

For example: the new sequels strain to make all females absolutely perfect beyond belief, while all the male leads are stupid beyond belief. It is obvious PC BS, and it gets very tiresome.

Re:the two droids.

[Anonymous Coward]

Lucas suggested a new title for the film...Star Wars: The Rise of Jar Jar

Re: the two droids.

[q_e_t]

> Making the next ones have an all white male cast wouldn't fix anything, if that's all you changed.

The races, or genders, of the cast has nothing to do with whether Star Wars was ruined by SJWs.

For example: the new sequels strain to make all females absolutely perfect beyond belief, while all the male leads are stupid beyond belief. It is obvious PC BS, and it gets very tiresome.

Hello, Leia, Ep. IV? It's been a theme in Star Wars all along and epics in general for centuries.

The last jedi sucked

[atomicalgebra]

Honestly a Jar Jar only film would have been better than the last jedi.

Re:The last jedi sucked

[AmiMoJo]

It sucked so badly that they have Rian Johnson a trilogy of Star Wars films as punishment!

Re:The last jedi sucked

[Anonymous Coward]

The quality of the recent crop of Star Wars films and extras has nothing to do with cultural Marxism or race mixing or any of that. They are poor films due to bad writing, directing and in some cases acting. Making the next ones have an all white male cast wouldn't fix anything, if that's all you changed.

Re: The last jedi sucked

[Anonymous Coward]

Cultural Marxists are bad at writing, directing and acting.

Re:The last jedi sucked

[antdude]

What about Star Wars' Holiday Special?

Re:The last jedi sucked

[Anonymous Coward]

Gawd, you're so predictable.

Re:The last jedi sucked

[Cmdln Daco]

It's typical made-for-TV schlock, but the Jefferson Starship music video rocks.

Some vision better than none

[Livius]

Lucas couldn't make it worse.

(Not something I would have said after the prequel trilogy, but times change.)

Re:Some vision better than none

[fazig]

I am fairly certain that he could make it worse.
As a thought experiment, think of of Episode 7 and 8 with the addition of Jar Jar Binks and even more little children.

Re:Some vision better than none

[religionofpeas]

As a thought experiment, think of of Episode 7 and 8 with the addition of Jar Jar Binks and even more little children

How about they burst into song and dance a few times ?

Re:Some vision better than none

[fazig]

Musical numbers is something I'd expect Disney to come up with on their own; not that much from Lucas.
But yes, that would make it even more terrible in my opinion.

Re: Some vision better than none

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you miss the Mos Eisley cantina band or the Jabba's Palace slave dancer? Or the Ewok celebration? They even cut a scene of those creepy fish people dancing around in the last one.

Re: Some vision better than none

[fazig]

You're right, there were there.
I do not count them as musical numbers though. They're ambient stuff. Not something the protagonists are actively partaking in like in Disney cartoons or animations.
Imagine having Harrison Ford and Adam Driver sing and dance the part where Solo is killed. Or Daisy Ridley and Mark Hamil while training on that merchandise for children planet.

Re: Some vision better than none

[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like the Star Wars Christmas special. Some of them sang in that. I forget which ones, for which I bless my brain for the mercy it has shown me in forgetting.

Re: Some vision better than none

[Anonymous Coward]

He just chickened out before revealing Jar Jar was a Sith Lord. Look it up. Darth Jar Jar is some serious shit.

Re:Some vision better than none

[painandgreed]

I am fairly certain that he could make it worse. As a thought experiment, think of of Episode 7 and 8 with the addition of Jar Jar Binks and even more little children.

They're called Ewoks.

So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[rsilvergun]

and a virgin birth got consulted. Good. Good. Let the Hate flow through you.

The trouble with the last couple Star Wars movies wasn't that it didn't stick to Lucas' ideas. The writing was just plain bad and the direction worse. The Last Jedi was just a bad movie. The plot didn't make sense. Nobody's motivations made sense. The fight scenes were badly, almost laughable choreographed and Rey's a Mary Sue character without an arc because the writers were in too much of a hurry to get to lightsaber battles.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Rey's a Mary Sue character without an arc because the writers were in too much of a hurry to get to lightsaber battles.

No, they wanted to add in pointless feminist crap. And everyone can see that. It's just bad.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Mandrel]

Yes, these days more directors think they're auteurs and write the scripts of their movies. This only works when there's a vision like Lucas with his Star Wars story and his drive to get it made right with the best people. Otherwise, the writing is weak and the direction is cliched because the auteur mistakenly believes they are a genius, and the collaborators become yes-men. This eventually happened to Lucas.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Chewbacon]

It has become an after school special. I always enjoyed Star Wars as a good vs. evil, but now I get this "let's give everyone a trophy" vibe from the story when it comes to characters like Rose Tico and I hear echos of political rallies I see in the news today. No hate on Rose Tico or the actress that portrayed her and was subsequently bullied for it or political views different from my own, but keep that shit the fuck out of the franchise I've loved for thirty years. I watch Star Wars to escape reality.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

If you choose to look at it that way.
I would say that the stuck to the Episode IV formula of Luke Skywalker and made him female. Because if we think back Luke was also pretty much a Gary Stu who managed to succeed in difficult things way faster than anyone else.

Hence from a more objective point of modern story telling the most frustrating part about this is that we're in the 2010's. Employing such a bad character design for a protagonist in a movie with such a high budget is just shoddy. Nay, not just shoddy, it's a damn faux pas. Hollywood hacks at work.

Re: So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate sand. It gets into everything.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

You sound like a bitter little incel/MRA with your comments. You make no sense, and only other bitter nerds believe your nonsense.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Your crybaby faggot shit doesn't really apply, we're talking about a movie you haven't seen. Dry your eyes on a cock, crybaby faggot whiner whitey. Escape reality for real, kill yourself bitch. TFO with your whiny faggot shit.

Who do you think you are, Kendall?

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[AmiMoJo]

My guess is that "the Skywalker" in the title refers to a new force using order to replace the Jedi, based on Luke's philosophy.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Because if we think back Luke was also pretty much a Gary Stu who managed to succeed in difficult things way faster than anyone else.

Yet, Luke evolves as a character. He starts as a farm boy with big dreams, and actually has to train and suffer hardships to become a warrior. In contrast, Rey just knows how to use an exotic weapon and defeat a very skilled enemy, as well as repair and fly a spaceship, seemingly without any training.

That's the difference between an actual character and a piece of ideological propaganda.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

In New Hope he does not have to train a lot.
He appears to understands R2D2. He fixes their droids and discovers Leia's message.
He picks up light sabre combat quickly against that training ball from Kenobi.
He shoots down Tie fighters like a pro while manning the turret in the Falcon.
He shoots his proton torpedoes at a 90 angle into an exhaust vent, without using a targeting computer and flying through a narrow corridor with lots of anti ship batteries around him being chased by other Tie fighters. Showing off experienced pilots.

So yeah, let's not forget that kind of nonsense. All of this expertise without showing the audience any of the training required to acquire these skills. If you're willing to accept this while denying that Rey as a scavenger of technology isn't explanation enough you're applying double standards and not being rational.

Where the real difference starts was the 2nd instalment of the original trilogy. In empire Luke has to learn and to train, and he does badly. When he leaves his training to rescue his friends and face Vader he fails so badly that he loses his hand.
This is where the Luke character evolves, whereas Rey doesn't see such a development in her 2nd instalment.
They called it "subverting expectation". Yeah, subverting expectations my ass. I could smell what they tried to sell us as subversion from some distance away and said to myself "don't go there. don't go there. don't go there. HELL NO you did do it!" Maybe it works as subversion for someone who can't read the faintest social cues or never has seen any other movie before. But for most perceptive people it'd dare to wager that there were little surprises, it was just cheap and shoddy execution.

Re: So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

You can't flood Hollywood with feminist propaganda and then expect us to be okay with a fat asian sexually assaulting a coworker in the rebellion and having that be ok.
#metoo

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[AmiMoJo]

It's interesting that Empire got a similar reaction when it was released. People complained about taking a straightforward fantasy movie and introducing a puppet Jedi master, and then the ridiculous (and now iconic) reveal that the big bad is Marty Stu's dad.

What do you mean by "give everyone a trophy"? The point of that movie, like Empire, is that they lost badly and hit pretty much rock bottom, setting up the third movie. Rose's role was to help Finn transition from just a guy running from the Empire and trying to help his only friend, to someone who has seen the injustice and come to think that the rebellion is worth fighting for. Along with Poe he comes to understand that going out in a blaze of glory for some hopeless cause isn't the point - the rebellion is more than that.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Midicloreans and virgin birth are better than Mah Rey Sue and Darth Emo.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Thing is, Lucas is actually good at that shit. Consulting on higher level themes and story arc is what he's good at. Al that Joseph Campbell stuff.

Where he sucks monkey balls is writing dialogue and directing. That's why the original trilogy was so good - he had a much smaller role in those then. The prequels showed how god-awful he is at those in full force.

Yet the basic themes of the prequel are good ones. The mysterious child, world in decline, evil forces on the rise, difficult battles and tough choices. Same themes as Harry Potter. Just executed piss-poorly with Lucas calling all the shots.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

First, Luke was an experienced pilot. One of the best amateurs on Tatooine, as a child. This was ALWAYS the back story, and they do discuss womp rats and his abilities in beggars canyon. He was already skilled here - more than most. Enough so that he wanted to join the fighting at one point. There is no reason to question his pilot skills. He brags about them throughout the first movie.....

Second, he had spend years with droids, working with them, fixing them. So of course he can speak and understand their language a little, though even then, not as much as CP3O

Third, his shooting sucked. He took a LOT of shots to hit a tie fighter, and much of it was attributed to luck. Though his strong force meant luck was with him.

Fourth, he picked up almost NO lightsaber skills. He wasn't even as skilled as the younglings his father killed, but he was starting to learn the force. He would have died pretty much instantly against a Jedi and even a slighly overgrown bunny rabbit in an ice cave nearly killed him... He really was pretty weak. Even after extensive one-one-one training with Yoda, he could not have beaten his father without a LOT more training, and the fact that his father was only half the man he used to be. He had POTENTIAL, not magic trainng and instant-cheat-skills.

Rey is a Mary-Sue. Yes, they made her a Female Luke, but then removed any possible characteristics that could have made her an interesting character, simply to pander to a particular demographic that comprises less than 10% of people. It was THAT obvious. There is no comparison between Luke and Rey. She is a billion times more powerful and fast learning than luke ever was. Spoiler: She travels to Luke's island to teach LUKE how to use his lightsaber and the force... OK, it's not that bad, but the lack of story plot is there. It's all bad writing, and we're being deluged by stories FILLED with SJW-driven-Mary-Sue's lately. It's just bad writing. REALLY bad writing. She was probably originally intended to be Luke's love-child or something like that.

Unfortunately, a bunch of useless people who have never proven their writing skills have SOMEHOW gotten into the creative process on existing franchises and are destroying them with stupid ideas and by constraining the true talent beneath them.

Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy strong female characters in stories - I used to read a LOT of fantasy books, and there was no shortage of them. Realistic characters I could identify with. Rey's growth however is just ridiculous.

The technical term for such plot mechanisms is "Jarring". They snap the viewer/reader out of the story, and suspension of belief is lost.

You can't defend Rey. She's simply too jarring. The best plot course at this point would be to remake the movie and decide the last was non-canon.

And maybe travel to the world of Midichlorians... I mean, sure we made fun of it, but none of us got to see what the vision would have turned out like.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Shadow of Eternity]

He spends most of A New Hope training but doesn't really use the lightsaber for anything and doesn't do much in the way of fighting. He doesn't actually shoot down tie fighters like a pro, it takes him a while to get ONE of them and even then he's told "good, now don't get cocky". The one thing that's impressive is justified by his being a pilot that used to shoot small targets, a good enough pilot he wanted to go to the imperial academy, and the fact that he's literally using the force while having an entire airforce covering for him at the climax of the film.

He doesn't turn into a fighter until the second movie by which time he's spent a while with an armed rebellion. Even then his fight with Vader goes disastrously, he gets his ass handed to him and literally loses a hand. And that's AFTER finding and training with Yoda. It's not until the final movie that he's really shown to be a competent fighter and military leader.

Meanwhile Rey is better than everyone at every thing without any effort, training, or consequences.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Shadow of Eternity]

Marty Stu? You mean the guy that had to struggle, train, and fight in every movie and got his ass handed to him even after training with the great jedi master yoda? The guy who literally got his hand cut off to show how imperfect, weak, and flawed he was as a character? The one that took three movies worth of trials and training to become a competent fighter and military leader?

A Marty Stu would've been if he had singlehandedly proven to be a better pilot, mechanic, jedi, and fighter than everyone on screen without any effort or even explanation.

You know, like Rey.

Re: So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually Luke constantly failed and relied on his friends to bail him out of trouble. The first time he fights a trained lightsaber user, he loses a hand. Now compare that to Rey, who never needs any help, and who almost kills Kylo the first time she meets him, only being prevented from doing so by the planet tearing itself apart...

Sheâ(TM)s just like Luke alright, only better in every way possible.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Calydor]

What is wrong with sitting down with the original creator for a couple of hours to hear the ideas that never made it into the movies, then looking at those ideas to see if you can do something with them? They didn't say they asked him to write the script like it was the holy gospel.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[AmiMoJo]

You may recall that in the first movie he goes from being a country bumpkin shooting at womp rats to piloting a military spacecraft against the best pilots the Empire has, including Vader, and managing to take a shot that the computer couldn't, in the space of about a week.

It's even explicitly stated that Luke is a special Marty Stu in the movie, because the force is strong with him. He's not an ordinary guy who has to work hard to become an ace pilot, he's born to do it.

Merely losing is not enough to prevent someone being a Marty Stu. Rey loses to and injured Ren who isn't even trying to kill her, so if that defence worked it would work for her too. Losing is just how you create some jeopardy and stakes for the Marty Stu to overcome.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Call your psychiatrist and tell him that this prescription is working fucking great.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[thegarbz]

The last time we got ideas that didn't make it into the original movies we ended up with Jar Jar. No sorry I lie. That came out before he decided to "add" to the original movies. I wish no one told him computer animation was possible.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean aside from all that jungle training and demeaning he had to endure to *learn* how to use the force? Sure.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Your false equivalency is a fucking joke. Rey is a fucking joke. Mary Sue to the gills. It's a fiasco and you idiots defend it as it happens to align with your political biases. Kill yourself.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[AmiMoJo]

Rey starts out by crashing the Millennium Falcon into the ground, and doesn't improve all that much from there. Kylo has been shot but still has little difficulty fighting her, and remember that he's not actually trying to hurt her because he wants her as his ally.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[AmiMoJo]

In The Last Jedi Rey initially fails to convince Luke to help her, and gets next to no training. She finds out her parents are insignificant and doesn't get the answers she was looking for.

Finally at the end she is able to use the force to move the rocks herself. The message is clear: she is not a Jedi, she has a natural gift and she doesn't need the Jedi training. The Jedi have failed and she is how the Force moves past them.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

But does it feel like she's actually gained anything as a character? You can't get something without strife. It feels like nothing if it costs nothing.

If I were Rey, I'd be delighted with my easy Force powers for a little while, but it wouldn't be enough.

The true theme of Star Wars: The Last Jedi is failure. (BIG spoilers ahead)

Rey failed to kill Snoke.

Rey failed to turn Kylo to the Light Side and he the same in reverse.

The Resistance failed to keep itself from being cornered and was nearly wiped out.

The First Order failed to destroy the Resistance.

Snoke failed to see his apprentice's betrayal.

Finn failed to make a noble sacrifice.

Rose failed to understand why a noble sacrifice might be worth Finn's life.

Poe failed to be a good strategist and was therefore denied any involvement in the Resistance's escape plan and given no clear path to redemption despite still being skilled.

Luke failed to appreciate that "always in motion is the future" and to turn aside from thinking Ben's future was set in stone.

It doesn't feel like anything was really learned on a persnal level by any character, except maybe for Luke and Finn. It was writing into a corner because that's where the plot of a trilogy demanded that the Resistance should chronologically be.

It should have gone much worse because if Luke loses a hand from Vader, the second-in-command, Rey loses next to nothing from Snoke, a man implied to have powers similar to Emperor Palpatine. Her going so unscathed makes the entire "battle" with the guards and Kylo seem cheap and easy. There isn't tension because she isn't going to fail and the audience knows it, there's only tiny hints of failure in the post-death battle with Snoke's guards.

Rey is powerful but it feels like even she does not appreciate it or her lack of wisdom. She winged it and it worked. Luke also took a big risk, but he had the power of family ties on his side, a strong sense of Vader being able to change back to the Light Side, and Yoda's blessing in that he needed no more Jedi training. Rey has a nebulous connection to Kylo through Snoke, and pursues this connection because of loneliness and seeking to understand what's happening to her in lieu of Luke being a real teacher. I wouldn't be willing to bet my life on those odds.

Rey did not suffer very much and so there was no significant sacrifice of ego, physical safety, or very much time to measure the worth of what she ultimately gained.

Sorry for summoning up the still-living "ghost" of MauLer, maybe I'm even repeating his points, but that's how I see it.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[PCM2]

No no no, "the Skywalker" is the new magic power to replace the Force! Disney's got to be sure it retires all those dusty old trademarks.

Luke->Rey
Han->Poe
R2-D2+C-3PO->BB-8
Rebellion->Resistance
Empire->First Order
Tatooine->Jakku ...and so on, and so on.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

Rey starts out by crashing the Millennium Falcon into the ground,

No, Rey starts out managing to get the Falcon to fly at all in the first place, which apparently was such a piece of junk that makes Rey look amazing to be able to fly it.

and doesn't improve all that much from there

Except the part when she met Han and they start doing things around the ship, and even Han is impressed by her skills and wants to recruit her.

Kylo has been shot but still has little difficulty fighting her

Yes, so little difficulty that he* gave her** a nice scar across the face... oh wait no it was the other way around.

*he being one of the relatives and prodigies of Luke, trained starting at a young age, guy who we saw freezing blaster bolt in place, guy we're told killed Luke's other apprentices

**her being an amateur who didn't even go through Luke's training with Kenobi, but in the span of maybe hours since her capture just picked up Jedi mind trick and force pull to a level that matches Kylo

and remember that he's not actually trying to hurt her because he wants her as his ally.

Doesn't excuse any of the above.

Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians

[Anonymous Coward]

If we had more Star Wars stories, this would be a rule in the Amimojo drinking game: whenever Amimojo tries his darnest to defend the new trilogy and pull false equivalences and whataboutisms to Luke in the original, take a drink

Sorry

[Anonymous Coward]

I watched the "The Force Awakens" in the theater, and you'll never get me back to watch another crappy Disney Star Wars movie.
Never.

Let it go.

[bussdriver]

If you would like more then read the many BOOKS which I'm told are actually not horribly simplistic and pretty good plus they all must tie together... and Lucas didn't write them, just set the bar higher than he could ever reach for those writers.

You know they will mess it up and Lucas already messed it up and to wrongs together will not make a right. Get over it and enjoy the past movies; even a decent job wouldn't replace your memory and age when you saw them. Enjoy the past memory and don't expect all these reboots, soft reboots and sequels to compare to the 1st, it's better to see the old thing again unless you like being disappointed or upset... or are so simple that mere branding is enough to excite you.

One could imagine a ton of situations before and after a good open ended story; that is, if you have an imagination.

Re: Let it go.

[Anonymous Coward]

The books are shite, no one gives a shit about the books. Now the films are shite too, which is a shame.

Re: Let it go.

[Mashiki]

The Thrawn trilogy is shit? Who knew. Never mind that everyone's favorite TIE and X-wing games of ~20 years ago were made around all that cannon material or anything...

Re: Let it go.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes. All of it is comic book grade space cowboy drivel.

Re: Let it go.

[Mashiki]

Yes. All of it is comic book grade space cowboy drivel.

It's called a space opera for a reason, maybe you need to just off a copy of the merchant of venice and tell the plebs how a story is supposed to be.

Re: Let it go.

[Hognoxious]

Cannon material? Like bronze and iron, you mean?

Re: Let it go.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, that trilogy is shit. I'm trying to get through them now and it's just not fun to read.

This teaser did not convince me of anything.

[Anonymous Coward]

The name is weird. Rise of the Skywalker? Is that supposed to be some sort of apology for the insulting storyline of the previous movie?

The action sequence looked campy.

Everything else was just clips showing us familiar sights from previous movies, to try and invoke our nostalgia.

I don't see anything here that makes me want to come back to Star Wars after the travesty that was The Last Jedi.

Re:This teaser did not convince me of anything.

[Anonymous Coward]

The name is weird. Rise of the Skywalker?

I figured it was a nod to Luke's uncomfortable erection every time he thinks back about the kisses Leia bestowed upon him.

Re:This teaser did not convince me of anything.

[Hognoxious]

"Taking the rise" means to mock something, normally used in combination with "you muppet" or "what do you take me for, some sort of pilchard?" Only people who think rings with coins in them are classy, i.e. most non-toff Brexiteers, use it these days.

Perhaps it's mocking itself?

I think it looks pretty good

[SuperKendall]

From the trailer and what little we know, I think the last movie may be better than the two before it... Because they reach a real finale I think it will be less faffing about and more closing up a lot of story threads.

In a way, the previous two movies were practice movies for the last movie, both in terns of acting and writing.

The really good thing is, one way or another the final movie of the original ,movie series finally leaves a lot of breathing room for a ton more Star Wars stories in all forms to bloom. There are some really promising looking videos games (Jedi Fallen Order) and live order TV stuff coming out, that probably will be more unique an interesting than the movies have been.

Re: I think it looks pretty good

[Anonymous Coward]

Well it literally can't be worse than the last jedi, I mean can it? Even if the whole film is just chewbacca doing a shit, that would be better, I wish TLJ was just chewbacca doing a shit so then it would have had the same plot quality, but less destruction of beloved characters. I'll probably watch the next one, but I'll be pirating it if I do.

Re: I think it looks pretty good

[Anonymous Coward]

Iâ(TM)m not sure weâ(TM)ve hit rock bottom yet. Iâ(TM)m watching to see the death of the series, since theyâ(TM)ll probably kill the last of the interesting characters in the next film. (Lando for one)

Should have Consulted Kurosawa

[Anonymous Coward]

And these two droids are the comedic relief, which is a hold over from the Two Thieves which a Samurai (Jedi) forces to help him and his Princess escape an Imperial Forces in the movie Hidden Fortress, which the original Star Wars treatment blatantly plagiarized.

[Would you like to know more?]

Re:Should have Consulted Kurosawa

[Anonymous Coward]

If you take a story and then write a similar story in your own words, that's not plagiarism. Plagiarism is when you copy the words. There are only something like 30 basic plots in the entire history of storytelling, and 7 or 12 (depending on who you ask) major story types, since people have been writing stories. So everyone is copying from everyone else.

Re:Should have Consulted Kurosawa

[Anonymous Coward]

From parent's PDF Link:

Today, it is unofficially known as The Tragedy of Darth Vader -- a true epic of mythical proportions that charts the rise, fall and redemption of an iconic character on a scale previously unparalleled. So gargantuan is its imprint, so audacious is the scope of the story, that it is commonly compared to classic myths of the past. Yet things weren’t always as they now are. What appeared and enchanted people who first saw and heard the words “Star Wars” is very different to the “Star Wars” that people see and hear today. It was once a tale so unlike its current embodiment that it is no longer viewed under that original
groundbreaking configuration, so different that its own creator has even distorted the truth in certain instances, essentially reshaping film and cultural history in the process.

This is "The Secret History of Star Wars." But what exactly do I mean by that? I first became aware that something was amiss sometime in 2003 when it was demonstrated by a fellow fan that Darth Vader, the iconic figure of evil, and Anakin Skywalker, the flawed Jedi who turns to evil and becomes Darth Vader, were originally conceived as separate people. Not separate constructs, as they now might be said to exist in the saga "from a certain point of view" -- but entirely different characters, totally independent of one another, each existing in some imagined history within the same narrative time and space. Indeed, a cursory evaluation of Lucas’ own early notes and script material, which have been published and available for many years now, reveals that Darth Vader and the father of Luke Skywalker were characters that existed together, onscreen as separate entities. Clearly, the history of the early story differed drastically from the account in common knowledge, which held that the story had been more or less blueprinted in the mid-1970’s. Now, however, it became clear to me that such tales of epic planning had more to them than meets the eye.

TL;DR: Lucas just ripped off Hidden Fortress, and tried to make a Sci-Fi serial "cowboys in space" like Buck Rogers, where you'd find yourself picking up a story from the middle ep: IV, as if you'd missed part of the story (as was common when going to watch a movie, that turned out to be a sci-fi serial). The look of C3PO is from the classic Metropolis, etc. Lucas has admittedly always hated writing, and sucked at it, but had some accidental chemistry enough to pull off Star Wars - A New Hope, and his writers later fixed up the plot as they made shit up going along. When ep I to III came out it was sold as having been missing pieces to a whole story that we didn't have tech to create at the time, but that was just blatant propaganda and lies. If you consult with George Lucas about Star Wars or any script, you'd just as well ask a magic 8 ball.

Let me clue you in on a little secret: Apotheosis is the act of creating an Avatar and attributing to it works of the many who stay hidden beyond a veil of secrecy. In this way a Great Work (Alchemically, Mangum Opus), can appear to have been the work of a single genius with much more skill than the average person. For example take William Shakespeare (Will of IAM (God), Shaking his Spear) for example. Or J. K. Rowling (who added the 11 of Apollo to her name as the 11th letter just prior to publishing the books). "J/K, Rowling on the floor, laughing my ass off..." The name game is often employed when making such a god from a Man, such as "Einstein" which is "Ein Stein", part of a phrase in German which means "Dumb as a Stone" in English. The effect is that the common man, not in on the secret ways, will lament and accept that he's just not smart enough to compete with the works of the "geniuses" of the upper class.

So, TFA is just propaganda. Like so many others, George Lucas is just a front man for others, like Elon Musk:

The Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of

Re:Should have Consulted Kurosawa

[Anonymous Coward]

And about 29 of the 30 no longer make sense once cell phones are added to the mix.

Re: Should have Consulted Kurosawa

[Anonymous Coward]

"Google's location data says Obi Wan is in Tatooine, Lord Vader."

"save for high praise heaped on Rogue One" What?!?

[Anonymous Coward]

Where can you find praise for that stinker? Not a single fan liked it.

But not the REAL person behind the great movie...

[Anonymous Coward]

His Ex-WIFE!!!! An editor also;

Paul Hirsch edited the film, but you rarely hear his name when people talk about the quality of the first film. It’s a shame, because Hirsch is responsible for excavating the film we know and love from the pile of footage that was made available to him.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/29/16829502/star-wars-wreck-editing

Maybe then a great film will raise again.

Rain Johnson needs to be tortured by Disney

[Anonymous Coward]

If they torture him and livestream it then I will consider coming back to Star Wars, as I was tortured with TLJ.

For Many of Us

[Anonymous Coward]

The Last Jedi was the final Star Wars film.

Re: For Many of Us

[Anonymous Coward]

For me it was the attack of clowns, you must be more resilient.

4th

[kackle]

Wait, there's a FOURTH Star Wars movie?

Re:4th

[Livius]

I think it's just a rumour for now.

Re:4th

[TeknoHog]

Too bad they never made any sequels.

Re:4th

[Anonymous Coward]

Just wait for the reboots, now that Disney owns it. Not remastered, reboots. With time travel, using the force, to save the ones you love from death. I'm talking about JarJar of course.

What it really is...

[Anonymous Coward]

Is ignorance of what made Star Wars a great media franchise. It wasn't Lucas, it was Lucas' marketing brilliance.

It was the initial run of toy tie ins for the kids. And novel tie ins for the adults (Seriously, go read the Lando Calrissian and Han Solo trilogies from the 1970s/80s, they set the stage for everything to come in the extended universe. Hell the Star Wars novel interpretations would have as well if Lucas hadn't dramatically changed plans between the release of the first movie and allowing the book deal.) The cross over between West End Game's RPGs, the novel authors and eventually LucasGames media (there were conflicts in the early stats between X-Wing/later sim games and the RPG/novels.) Ralph McQuarrie and other concept artists designs as well. Lucas brought it all together. BUT. Lucas after he got the ball rolling was no longer the most important part of the chain. It was the community and the collaboration between them that made things great. While there were some notable sources of inconsistency (Dark Horse material stretched pretty hard at the sensationalism for WEG/Novel authors to put into context.) it all came together into an unfathomably larger tapestry than Lucas could have ever envisioned. Hell, it turned into a larger tapestry than Star Trek. There are still under 50 races in the entire Trek universe, whereas Star Wars is up to hundreds. The last time I tried to categorize all the Star Wars races I was up to over 300 individual races just based off published WEG material, pre-prequels. Post-Prequels that number grew by the dozens if not more, including unofficial backported stats.

Star Wars long ago took on a life of its own. And much like the schism sect of Scientology, it has to be forked so that the differences in ideology can be allowed to flourish and grow and prove if the bazaar or the cathedral is the better method. But thanks to copyright, it legally can't. Thanks Switzerland! (Berne Convention)

That's not Palatine laughing at the end

[OzPeter]

It's Lando laughing while flying the Millennium Falcon as he mows down a surprise return of Jar Jar .. well that's what I am hoping for!

Lucas’ sage advice

[93 Escort Wagon]

“We can fix it in post.

Even post-release.”

Finally!

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been waiting 2 decades for more podracing.

Was Star Wars ever actually good?

[Anonymous Coward]

I was 11 when the first Star Wars movie came out in 1977. I saw it at the cinema with friends a couple of times, and all of us thought it was cool. We alI watched the next two movies when they came out, and thought they were cool, too.

While I had thought favourably of them, I didn't watch them again until a couple of years ago when my nephews had a Star Wars marathon on Christmas day while the family had gathered.

I was shocked at how bad I then found them. Don't get me wrong, I didn't worship them as cinematic masterpieces or anything like that before seeing them again. But my disappointment got me thinking, were they ever good to begin with? The only conclusion I could come to was, "No, probably not."

I just can't imagine why people could get so excited over them, then and now. It's excusable when it's a teenager who likes the movies. But I think it's very strange when grown adult men dress up as Star Wars characters in public. Something must truly be lacking in their lives to behave in such an immature manner.

Re:Was Star Wars ever actually good?

[Anonymous Coward]

Looks like you acquired at least some critical thinking skills as you grew older.
If we try to remove all the nostalgia filters and other bonuses for utilizing newer technologies in film making, the movies themselves weren't that great.

But why get people excited of them? You could ask yourself why people get obsessed over things like religion, politics, sports, music, and that kind of stuff. Subcultures form around popular things and through peer pressure family and friends may get sucked into those circles.

Sometimes it can be pretty pathetic, I have to admit. Especially when people get really angry over those things that do not fit into their personal conception of reality.
But at other times it's just people having fun without hurting anyone. I can't judge them for doing that.

Re: Was Star Wars ever actually good?

[zawarski]

Maybe you were a little to old. I was 7 and it was, to me and my friends, the closest we ever had to a religious experience. There was life before Star Wars and life after, for us. Like a healthy person, I did not carry that nonsense into adulthood, but I appreciate the memory.

Re:Was Star Wars ever actually good?

[AHuxley]

The 1977 plot worked. People liked the heroic space plot.
The new SJW, political agenda is noticed and people have their own comments and reviews.

Re: Was Star Wars ever actually good?

[Anonymous Coward]

You need to contrast them with the other movies of the time to really appreciate them. Most of it's,contemporaries were depressing anti-hero flicks representing the lingering effects of Vietnam on the American popular media. Star Wars broke us out of that mold.

Interesting fact:

[Anonymous Coward]

One of the final veteran rewards on Star Wars Galaxies after the NGE but before it closed down was a 'Carbonite Decoration of a Gungan.' They basically took Han Solo's carbonite scene and put Jar Jar inside it as a wall decoration for your Tatooine home :) There were two other alternatives an ugnaught and someone else, but the Gungan one was by far the funniest.

Hey, just hope they don't have a Star Wars XX: The Return of the (Gungan) Clone Wars. Meesa made a cloning boo boo!

Lucas only wrote New Hope

[rsilvergun]

he had "help" on Strikes back & Jedi and they're better films for it. You're right about the yes men though. He had script writers for the prequels but they still came out meh and seeing the interviews with everyone involved it's pretty obvious they were too star struck to fix anything.

Do not want

[Anonymous Coward]

After that abortion that disney put out, I'm never watching any star wars movies again.

"bit of a hiatus" is slang for..

[Anonymous Coward]

we'll start them back up again when we need a little bump to our share price, but for now we're going to milk the final chapter, the entire movie series (enjoy that new complete 'collectors edition' box set for $299 coming christmas 2020), and our new streaming service for every last penny.

Re: "save for high praise heaped on Rogue One" Wha

[JonnyCalcutta]

I did. I liked that and Solo. The 2 trilogy films on the other hand were stinkers.

I thought they smelled bad on the outside

[Anonymous Coward]

I've got a bad feeling about this....

I won't be holding my breath

[timholman]

After sitting through the abomination of "The Last Jedi", I think I'll see Episode IX after I get around to watching "Solo", "Star Trek: Discovery", and "Star Trek Beyond". Oh, wait ...

Both franchises are done, and Star Wars most of all. It's nothing but a Disney merchandising vehicle. Having Lucas "consult" on the script means nothing. The script will be ultimately be written by a Disney executive committee.

Re:I won't be holding my breath

[Anonymous Coward]

They are all two hour toy commercials, anyway.

Re:I won't be holding my breath

[RespekMyAthorati]

The animated series "Clone Wars" was pretty good, especially after Darth Maul re-entered the story.

So Jar Jar makes a return?

[gweihir]

Anyways, I have stopped caring since Episode 1.

Re:So Jar Jar makes a return?

[Cmdln Daco]

I watched Star Wars in the theater in 1977. Haven't had time for any of the rest of it, except for surfing on the layer of the fandom by reading threads like this. Oh, and watching the Christmas Special.

I was too busy in the 80's being a nerd. Yes, a real nerd, with soldering iron and TTL gates and all that stuff they don't do on TV shows or movies.

Consulted? LUL

[Anonymous Coward]

I am sure George Lucas wanted to fack everything up.

Look at episodes 1 2 and 3!!!

WHO CARES LYING FAGGOT KEN DOLL YOU DONT MATTER

[Anonymous Coward]

WORLD'S DUMBEST LYING FAGGOT KENDAL ENDORSEMENT (Score:?)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 13, 2019 @04:34PM
" They see people almost being denied a supreme court seat because they once had a beer while in school." - No, he perjured himself under oath. It's not the beer, you lying faggot. IT'S THE LYING, YOU LYING FAGGOT.

YOU TELL A LIE UNDER OATH AND YOU ARE A CRIMINAL. That he basically ATTEMPTED TO RAPE A CLASSMATE also didn't really rise to the occasion of a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS without investigation.

But with TRAITOR SUPPORTING DISHONEST FAGGOTS LIKE YOURSELF in charge? He sailed right through anyway, to lie another day.

Dry your eyes, traitor. Your little perjurer didn't get caught - yet!

    https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13577626&cid=58274188

If jar jar had turned out to be SNoke

[goombah99]

Was Lucas "actually" consulted, "virtually" consulted, or "merely" consulted. I'm confused.

Boy I would have loved it if Snoke had turned out to be Jar Jar. Drunken master style. would have been the biggest stick in the eye of the jar-jar haters ever.

I bet that there will be SW X, XI, XII and so on..

[kiviQr]

...Disney did not buy it to sit on it but to make loads of $$$.

Horrendous

[Anonymous Coward]

Start Wars was already bad before turning into a chick flick/feminism promotional piece.

What now for the next one, Han Solo and Obi-Wan going trans?

Re:Horrendous

[Anonymous Coward]

Better yet, Obi-Wan go trans and they marry. Hey, Hollywood, you have seen it first here. Pay up.

Re:turn of the Faggot Kendall

[Anonymous Coward]

will be super popular among gay n1ggers

Star Wars

[beep54]

I was a big fan of the first (er, iV) one and a huge fan of the next. The third one was a bit of a disappointment designed to sell toys, but not horrible. Then I paid good money to see The Phantom Menace. What an incredible mess. Horrible, horrible movie. I lost all interest in the entire franchise after that. I could care less how they wrap it up just so they finish the damn thing a be done. Course, that will not happen. Freaking thing makes too much money.

I don't get that

[rsilvergun]

I mean, they blew up several planets, killed Han and Luke (yeah, I know they're ret-conning that last one) and the leader of the "Rebellion" made a complete mess of everything in the second movie out of sheer, maddening stupidity. Nobody's getting stars and everybody's a complete screw-up.

There's a YouTube outrage machine you're probably picking up on that road the crappiness of the last Star Wars movie to a lot of free hits. But Step outside that and to plain old movie critics who break the film down and you'll find it's just a bad movie. The constant incompetence of the characters is because the director wanted a Strikes Back style "Everything's fucked" ending that didn't make any sense in the context of the Rebellion's victory. It's lazy writing because they don't know how to raise stakes without falling back on the tropes of the original trilogy. Politics doesn't enter into it, it's just incompetence.

how about a episode VIII rewrite.

[Anonymous Coward]

Lets get a do-over on the cluster-f*** that was episode VIII.

Re:Consulted? LUL

[Anonymous Coward]

Which were better than VII and VIII, at least.

J.J. Abrams?

[Anonymous Coward]

Who let him crap over two beloved franchises and remake them in his own frakked up image? No respect for the source material, and really, piss poor originality. I won't live long enough to watch the reboot of Star Wars with a new cast and crew. But I really think that it could have been done better.

I sense something...

[Anonymous Coward]

A presence I've not felt since...

DisneyFied

[Anonymous Coward]

Can't wait to miss it.

It's not Star Wars anymore. It's something different entirely.

George should create something else.

Re:DisneyFied

[Cmdln Daco]

Wait... you're saying it was all pure gold when Lucas ran it and now it's been ruined???

Star Wars post-Palpatine reboot

[CanEHdian]

Whatever happened after the 2nd Death Star blew up should be rebooted. There never was a 'first order' that was able to amass an army without anyone knowing about it. Or that weird weaponry.

I can believe an Imperial Remnant. I can believe the Emperor lying about the entire fleet being there. I can even believe task forces (a dreadnought with several Star Destroyers and auxiliary vessels) being sent on secretive missions and being too far away to recall. But I believe NONE of that First Order stuff they're trying to push down our throats.

Hopefully Disney will sell the franchise and we'll see a reboot.

Re:Star Wars post-Palpatine reboot

[dddux]

How about just remembering the Star Wars franchise as it was, and forgetting about any reboots? Because let's face it, the last couple of films were just marketing ploys and full of crap. They were obviously made just to make some more money, nothing else. Catered to the lowest social denominator. Just like everything Americans do these days, because having millions annually is not enough. Morals/ethics has been shot at least to the moon, and creativity has been buried as deep as hell, possibly.

Backstroke of the West

[Anonymous Coward]

All the script, story, motifs, themes, epic journeys and twists for the finality of finalities are contained within -- there was never any need to look further or try to rhyme it like poetry.

Why would Lucas provide input on IX?

[ayesnymous]

When he wasn't able to provide input on VII and VIII? I thought I read he wasn't thrilled with what Disney did with VII and VIII, but if he's providing input on IX he would have to accept VII and VIII.

Re:"save for high praise heaped on Rogue One" What

[Rockets84]

Rogue One was pretty darn good, it's the best of the Disney Star Wars films by far. I often see it called a bad movie and the only reasoning being bad characters and bad pacing but I don't see that. Compared to The Last Jedi it's a master piece. TLJ is a festering turd of a movie.

I hope George turned him away

[Rockets84]

I hope George turned them away saying "you've dug your own grave with the TFA and TLJ and I'm not taking the blame for another bad trilogy. I'm going to go swim in my money bin now and get off my lawn!"

Re:I bet that there will be SW X, XI, XII and so o

[Calydor]

It's possible they're going to be named different things as they take place in the same universe, but on other planets and possibly time periods.

Translation:

[Anonymous Coward]

'We, and Disney, f****** up good making the new SJW Star Wars films, and it'd probably be better to kill the whole thing rather than keep throwing money on the dumpster fire we've created.'

Too little, too late. I could honestly care less, and I won't be seeing the movie. It's true that the prequels were better than the modern films, and that we were all too hard on Lucas. That still isn't to say, though, that the prequels were good movies. Star Wars already ended 1983.

translation

[Anonymous Coward]

we dont know what to do to get people outside rabid fanboys to watch this garbage, so we will name drop, cameo, and put out any kind of garbage article to see if, somehow, we can get people outisde our core audience to watch our latest garbage movie

good luck with that

I choose to never watch any of it again

[throwaway18]

The last time I watched a star wars film was roughly the year 1987.

I'm going to keep my vague inaccurate partial memories of the first three films and my memories of my mother being a sharp tongued sour faced bitch when I requested star wars toys for Christmas, wanted to buy star wars toys with my money or played with them in range of her.

He understands R2

[rsilvergun]

because he's obsessed with mechanical things, like most boys his age were in the 70s. This was pre-computers for most folks, and droids were thought of as machines more than PCs by the general population (myself included).

He didn't pick up lightsabre battles quickly. He didn't use a lightsabre until Empire and got the snot beat out of him. Even when he used the sabre on the Skiff and beat down Vader in Jedi he was leaning heavily on his Force powers (and rage when he beat Vader, who's rage had started to falter and with it his dark side powers).

He shot down the Tie Fighters because he was supposed to. You try attacking a ship without really hitting it so it can get away, see if you can avoid all the fire while not really targetting it.

And as for the Death Star, again, leaning on the force. Well, that and wamp rat bullseyeing. He'd been doing that kind of shooting his whole life.

Luke had an arc and explanations for everything he did. With Rey they just skipped all that to get to the "good part". The whole thing looked like they didn't know for sure if Disney would give 'em another movie or not. I know that sounds crazy, but this is Disney we're talking about here. If the move had just done "ok" it mighta been years before they tried again and with a different director, cast, etc. Disney is very much about maximizing profit from everything they touch.

Lucas seeks to be be paid to endorse and advertise

[Anonymous Coward]

Disney needs credibility for Star Wars given the ho-hum reception of the last two films.

Speculate they contacted Lucas and asked how much it'd cost for Lucas to bless and be an advertisement promoter for the next film.

In my own way, and the kids are older, we're star wars merchandise and movie free for 1 year now and intend to keep it that way.

No point helping Disney buy up most everything until 50% of the toy section at major retailers is Disney and 50% of the box office is Disney.

We'll also see if items from 1929 and before make it into the public domain before 2030.

So, George...

[reanjr]

We sort of broke the franchising somehow and would really like some advice on how we transition out of this...