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Facebook Shareholders Force A Vote On Ousting Mark Zuckerberg (businessinsider.com)

On May 30th, Facebook's shareholder's will vote on whether to remove Mark Zuckerberg as chairman of the board, reports Business Insider: Business Insider broke the news of the proposal in July last year after revealing the plans of activist shareholder Trillium Asset Management, which had grown tired of the "mishandling" of scandals including the Cambridge Analytica data breach. Responding to the proposal in the SEC filing, Facebook called on investors to vote it down. "We believe our board of directors is functioning effectively under its current structure, and that the current structure provides appropriate oversight protections," Facebook said...

The chance of it becoming a reality is extremely slim, despite it being backed by investors that control around $3 billion of Facebook stock. A similar proposal in 2017 was popular among independent investors but was crushed because of Zuckerberg's voting power. This is because of Facebook's dual-class share structure. Class B shares have 10 times the voting power of class A shares, and it just so happens that Zuckerberg owns more than 75% of class B stock. It means he has more than half of the voting power at Facebook....

Facebook will almost certainly get its way. But the two investor proposals mark continued dissatisfaction among shareholders about the way Facebook is run following a year from hell for the company. It also shows that investors continue to believe that Zuckerberg has too much power.

107 comments

  1. Bubble is about to burst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha-haa. So people buy Facebook stocks which do not pay dividends and do not get any influence in shareholder meeting as the raving lunatic CEO has all the power in company. Even bitcoins and tulips look better investment targets than Facebook.

    1. Re: Bubble is about to burst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. A lunatic which is both chairman and CEO. Not very common that you allow this, even in smaller companies

    2. Re: Bubble is about to burst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. A lunatic which is both chairman and CEO. Not very common that you allow this, even in smaller companies

      Indeed, the number of companies that have one person that is chairman, CEO, and a lunatic is very small.
      But companies that have one person that is both chairman and CEO are not so uncommon, e.g. IBM, GM, Dell, and Exxon-Mobil are a few that I could find in about three minutes of searching.
      No doubt the list of companies that have different people as chairman and CEO is longer. I'll let you do your own search.

    3. Re:Bubble is about to burst by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone pay for stock and the "privilege" to spend time running a company?

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    4. Re: Bubble is about to burst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, and all those companies are doing poorly. What a coincidence!

  2. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Don't like the way a company is run sell the stock. No one is forcing these people to hold shares.

    1. Re: Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Spanish Inquisition called. They want their leadership techniques back.

    2. Re: Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry. We enjoy inflicting pain. It's kind of our thing. We even made some improvements.

    3. Re:Ugh by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Hey Zuck, WTF do you think shares are? They are shares of ownership which means you get a say in how the company is run. Don't like that? Form a partnership and give up on the lucrative opportunity to exchange ownership for money.

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    4. Re:Ugh by stoborrobots · · Score: 1

      If you believe that, then what's so wrong about the guy having more than half the shares getting his way?

      The fact that he doesn't have more than half the shares? He has 10% of the shares, but they are tagged so that they have 10 times the voting rights of the other shares, so with only 10% of the company, he still gets 50% of the control.

  3. Activist shareholders by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too much power? It's his company, and yours to choose whether to invest in it or not. Now I despise FB and everything it stands for as much as the next guy, but good on Zuck for having retained a controlling interest in his company. Maybe I've seen too much of the other extreme, with VCs asking for too large a piece of the pie in exchange for a pittance.

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    1. Re:Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Too much power? It's his company, and yours to choose whether to invest in it or not. Now I despise FB and everything it stands for as much as the next guy, but good on Zuck for having retained a controlling interest in his company. Maybe I've seen too much of the other extreme, with VCs asking for too large a piece of the pie in exchange for a pittance.

      Bottom line is hiring and firing of CEOs is not the job of shareholders.

      This is exactly why you have a fucking Board of Directors.

      If they feel he needs to go, then execute the proper process to do so. If you've failed to establish that process and absolutely have given up control and power to one person, then you've utterly failed to establish a Board that can actually Direct the company, to include replacing leadership when necessary, and I have little sympathy for any company in this position. History should have been enough of a teacher.

    2. Re: Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. What people mean by "too much power" is more a reflection of the (lack of) value of Facebook stock compared to alternatives

    3. Re: Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Historically activism has little impact other than changing nameplates on doors. A number of studies have been written over many years.

    4. Re: Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If it's a private company yeah, but they Are not a private company anymore. They decided to raise public funds and with it comes onerous oversight and scrutiny and challenges.

      I expect that if I buy anything listed in public exchanges conforms to the regulatory expectations and obligations and I expect that if I have even 1 share I am entitled to the rights that my 1 share entitled me to.

      It's facebook's own fault if they don't like it. They decided to IPO.... no one forced them.

    5. Re:Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call them by their correct name: Vulture Capitalists. My company is getting screwed by some of them right now. Suck all the profit out and carve up the remains to sell for more profit.

    6. Re:Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're called "shareholders" because they own a share of the company, i.e. it's their company too.

    7. Re:Activist shareholders by dk20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "It's his company, "

      clearly you dont understand the equity marketsl. Rember when facebook did its IPO (Initial public offering)? The second word there is key.

      I would never invest in facebook, and it is time for a reform program to avoid all this restricted voting, superclass share nonsense.. but fundamentally, it isnt his company anymore... he took public funds, and kept all the voting rights too.

    8. Re:Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "he took public funds" makes it sound like you're talking about government/taxpayer money.

      It's not government money, it's the money of private investors who freely chose to spend it that way. There was no deception, he was completely clear that he would keep the voting rights, and yet people chose to invest anyway.

    9. Re:Activist shareholders by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's his company

      Yah, no. It's a public company.

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    10. Re:Activist shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple share classes exist for certain valid reasons that corporate lawyers are in a better position to explain than I am.

      Facebook Inc. was always upfront about the structure of its equity and investors are free to choose whether or not they take an interest in Facebook Inc.

      Facebook wasn't the first tech company to go this way - Google/Alphabet also has a similar structure.

  4. cry me a river... by Tom · · Score: 2

    you could just... you know... invest in another company if you don't like that one.

    Holding 3 billion of stock with basically no decision rights. That's a cute position to be in. How greedy do you have to be?

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    1. Re:cry me a river... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I realize that he still owns a majority of FB shares... and this agenda will fail. But shouldn't he have expected and already decided to step aside for the benefit of FB, and ultimately his own benefit? IOW shouldn't he expect to be replaced by someone that actually knows what they're doing? Or do you believe Mark Zuckerburg is so skilled he could sit as Chairman on any Board of Directors, Amazon, Google, Apple, Netflix, etc. Why wouldn't he tap someone better than he at this, and probably someone a lot better than him to sit as chairman (considering the pool of successful talent), and instead focus on something he is much better at and would enjoy far more, something backseat yet more fulfilling, like Bill Gates decided to do? Does he really need to be the named Chairman when he can fill the position with his man, that happens to be more educated with a successful record? Would he really lose control of FB if he held no position in the company, even if it was "officially" so? IMO Mark is wasting his time with FB. He needs another pony. This is the perfect opportunity.

    2. Re:cry me a river... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I realize that he still owns a majority of FB shares

      You'd be wrong about that. He owns a majority of votes (about 57%) but only a small minority of shares. In other words, while controlling Facebook, he only owns a small fraction of its market value and earnings.

      Against Zuckerberg's outright voting control are security laws that protect the rights of minority shareholders, thus giving them the power to make life miserable for Zuckerberg should he get on the wrong side of them.

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    3. Re:cry me a river... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he doesn't suck, he should resist... but what are the chances he doesn't suck at that position compared to any available former CEO of a fortune 500 company? Why wouldn't he take the money and run, and start new ventures? There is so much to do and FB is such a time suck... it's rolling, and he doesn't need to babysit it. I guess he needs that chairman salary. Just seems obvious he should release and build something else... something worthwhile.

    4. Re:cry me a river... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right. Zuckerberg knows he won the lottery and is otherwise just a standard issue scumbag voyeur. Elon Musk: fountain of creative energy. Mark Zuckerberg: fountain of jizz.

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    5. Re:cry me a river... by Tom · · Score: 1

      You seem to think that people exist for the benefit of companies.

      I think you found the one thing that Zuckerberg and me agree on - that it's the other way around. Zuckerberg founded Facebook and certainly seems to be under the impression that it is his and exists for his benefit. I agree that companies exist for people, not the other way around.

      Gates stepped aside smartly because his "road to the future" (sorry for the cheap pun) would've ruined MS in very short order. He missed every important technological development and rightly decided that the company couldn't take many more of such failures and for his own benefit and wealth leaving the company to someone who would be more successful in keeping it successful (and stock price high).

      Obviously, Zuckerberg doesn't believe that FB is near the end of its run. I'm afraid he is right.

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    6. Re:cry me a river... by Tom · · Score: 1

      If he doesn't suck, he should resist...

      It's the opposite, actually.

      If you knew that you are mediocre at best, but you had a lucky shot - you would cling to it like your life depended on it, because it actually does (not your physical life, but your financial and social life).

      If you knew that you're good and you'll be just as successful with your next venture, you wouldn't hang on to the current one so much. Maybe it's boring already. Something new, maybe? Yeah, why not...

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  5. Re:Zuckerberg's real problem by NicePics13 · · Score: 1

    Nah, he looks too alien.

  6. The chance of it becoming a reality is extremely by ChoGGi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    slim.

    Class B shares have 10 times the voting power of class A shares, and it just so happens that Zuckerberg owns more than 75% of class B stock.

    Right, I'm sure he'll just oust himself. This is news why? Because Trillium Asset Management is bored?

  7. Re: The chance of it becoming a reality is extreme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a pr move by trillium. They can claim they tried when a big issue comes out to fix the problem

  8. Trillium Asset Management? by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trillium Money Grabbers more like. I'm no fan of facebook - don't use it - or zuckerberg, but its his baby, he created the company and these parasites have him to thank for the increasing value of their investments. If they don't like it they're free to take their dirty gold elsewhere.

    1. Re:Trillium Asset Management? by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then Zuck shouldn't have taken the company public if he didn't want outside investors to have a say in a company. That's the deal. It is partially their company too.

    2. Re:Trillium Asset Management? by tomhath · · Score: 0

      Outside investors don't have a say in the company. Zuckerberg has it set up so he got the cash from selling shares while still maintaining complete control.

      Trillium management is trying to send a message that those who they blame for 2016 will be punished, even though it was Hillary herself who blew the election.

    3. Re: Trillium Asset Management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary has literally no involvement. Randomly blaming Hillary makes you look even dumber than you look now.

    4. Re: Trillium Asset Management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Serious reading comprehension fail there - GP didn't say Hillary was involved.

      S/he said Trillium hasn't gotten over their TDS and continues to blame Facebook for letting Cambridge Analytica have data which was used by the Trump campaign

    5. Re: Trillium Asset Management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      incorrect on every level.
      Here's the order of events:
      DNC decides it owns the entire government, obviously false
      DNC tries to get Hillary elected because Hillary supposedly is really stupid and will let DNC have de facto control of all branches of the government.
      Trump tells every voter his true and real plans.
      Trump wins hearts of America who see DNCs real and evil agenda with no basis whatsoever in any facts.
      Hillary a well-meaning pawn. Trump all time great winner. DNC wallowing in own shit try to perpetuate their political fraud by continuing to hide facts.

    6. Re:Trillium Asset Management? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Zuckerberg is not of one of the biggest, most evil parasites that ever walked on two legs? The chickens are coming home to roost and my heart bleeds purple peanut butter for InfoFührer Zuckerberg.

    7. Re:Trillium Asset Management? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      but its his baby

      It was his baby until he sold it to the public. Now his baby grew up but he didn't.

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  9. Mishandling? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

    How has the scandal been mishandled? It looks like a textbook response of attempting to avoid and shift all blame while doing the bare minimum to appease 3rd parties.

    What do they prefer? Full ownership and action? That is the BP / VW way (except for the action bit) and is now a case study in business textbooks of what not to do.

    1. Re:Mishandling? by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

      He admitted the failings, instead of brushing them under the carpet and thereby impacted future earning by limiting their opportunities to exploit their assets, FB users.

    2. Re:Mishandling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, it "looks like" a textbook response.

      If it were a real textbook response, it would look like something quite different. It's a PR failure.

  10. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The disaffected shareholders could just sell their shares.

    Problem solved. Facebook's value would plummet but with the shares sold, it isn't their problem anymore.

    1. Re:huh? by tomhath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trillium is an activist investor, in this case "activist" meaning they want to push their social agenda on corporations.

  11. Buying non-shares by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Why would any sane investor do that except at a substantial discount?

    Google did a similar trick.

    You are putting money into something that you have no control over. E.g. Zuck's salary.

    1. Re:Buying non-shares by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why would any sane investor do that except at a substantial discount?

      Because most investors are interested in making money, and not in "having a say".

      I have never, not once, cast a vote for a board member or sent in a proxy form. I just toss them in the trash. So why should I care if I have voting rights, when I don't exercise them?

    2. Re:Buying non-shares by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Because most investors are interested in making money, and not in "having a say".

      It's like the two things are entirely disconnected.

      As in "You're not getting a dividend, I'm going to give tons of company money to a non-profit owned by my fat minger wife's cat and you can go pound sand".

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    3. Re:Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the reason that we cannot have nice things.

    4. Re:Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have never, not once, cast a vote for a board member or sent in a proxy form. I just toss them in the trash. So why should I care if I have voting rights, when I don't exercise them?

      If you had 50% of your retirement invested in a fund that the CEO went off the deep end and started dismissing every moral and ethical policy in existence, marching quickly towards criminal territory all in the name of profits and the Board was prepared to do fuck-all about it, would you care if you had voting rights then?

      Even if you didn't vote in the last US election, you should at least understand and respect the value of having a Right to Vote. I've yet to use my 4th Amendment right. Does that mean I shouldn't care about it just because I haven't used it? That would be quite ignorant.

    5. Re: Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm I'm stupid enough to have 50% of my retirement in any one thing, then I'm not qualified to vote for anybody

    6. Re:Buying non-shares by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      As in "You're not getting a dividend, I'm going to give tons of company money to a non-profit owned by my fat minger wife's cat and you can go pound sand".

      And such things have happened; you need to have a great deal of trust in someone with a controlling interest in your investment. But there are remedies, as it's extremely illegal to do that; it's called "shareholder oppression". Courts can and will force compensation for this. It's suboptimal solution, but it's something.

    7. Re: Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No compensation when all the documents were clear as day. What, gonna go to court and say oh noes I can't read! So better make a big stink now and hope something happens because the courts will not be on your side

    8. Re:Buying non-shares by epine · · Score: 2

      So why should I care if I have voting rights, when I don't exercise them?

      Why should America have nuclear bombs if it doesn't launch them?

      And on the other side, many things in this world that can't presently be fixed could be fixed if fewer people took your attitude. It still wouldn't be a panacea, but it would be better.

      Nothing good comes from punters sleeping on their powers, however small. Good decisions generally derive from high engagement of all stakeholders, and not so much from round-file target practice. If everyone made it their business to take their small responsibilities seriously, it would tilt how the initial share offerings were structured in the first place.

      The other vantage point, I suppose, is that tyranny knows best: that tightly held control is a feature not a bug. This is a serious empirical question. It could actually be a locally superior strategy to invest in corporations where the control rests primary in a despotic overlord likes Gates, Ellison, or Zuckerberg who really couldn't give a shit how their behaviour impacts society, so long as the enterprise grows. It's also true in game theory that locally superior often equates to globally nasty. This is the central lesson of prisoner's dilemma: I make a higher rate of return by buying shares in a tyrannical corporation, but if we all do the same, then everybody wallows in collective cynicism about how every corporation and public institution seems to be primarily in the business of making shit flow downhill.

      What ethnographers have discovered is that in some racially homogeneous western democracies (primarily Scandinavia), that the pendulum sometimes tips the other direction: they look around and say "hey, we're all pretty much the same here; why should we all conspire to make shit flow downhill for a 0.1% higher rate of financial return in the short run?"

      Back in America, this isn't the dominant thought process. Everyone is struggling for a buck, and no-one sneezes at an extra 0.1% in the short run. But then the collective mass of shit flowing downhill causes the collective outcome to not be so great after all, and people are angry, because they thought they had successfully sold their souls for that extra 0.1%, and everything was going to be great again, and now even the devil has reneged on the deal.

      The human capacity for explanation tends to run in reverse. Most of our psychological justifications are retconned.

      What can the mind summon up to buttress the ego after losing the game of prisoner's dilemma on a grand scale? Social parasites. It would have all worked out exactly as planned, but for the parasites sucking the social tit dry. Where do social parasites incubate? They're the losers kicked to the curb in a world run by the Gateses, and Ellisons and Zuckerbergs. Now, the losers will get kicked to the curb in pretty much any system, but there's a huge difference in the harshness of the curb they land on.

      The general idea on the right is that the harsher the curb, the more people will fear landing on the curb, and the less it will happen.

      Empirical evidence does not bear this out. Actual human behaviour when nearing a curb of no recovery is to double down on high risk behaviour. People don't become more responsible; what they do instead is pull their goaltender, and hope to save their sorry ass by some minor miracle with an extra attacker on the ice in the final minute. Of course, this only works out in a minority of situations. Some of these people do go on to regain their status in the productive middle class. But more go on to be twice as hopeless, and twice as desperate, with half as many viable options remaining to pick themselves back up again.

      So you can't afford physiotherapy for that pain in your wrist after you were downsized? But you do finally land another job in the industry six months later, of hustling hard in the gig economy, only now that pain in your wrist is chronic instead of transient. What doesn'

    9. Re:Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thoughtful, and deep, posting launched into an intellectual black hole. Beam me up Scotty.

    10. Re:Buying non-shares by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      It's the height of stupidity to have 50% of your retirement in any one company, no matter how awesome you may think it is.

      When I retire, I plan to have 60% in a total stock market fund (VTSAX) and 40% in various fix income index funds and CDs.

      VTSAX has about 2% invested in FB. Should I research every company in VTSAX in order to vote accurately on a proxy form?

      No. And I'm quite happy that Vanguard doesn't even send me a proxy form. Only thing worse than not voting is voting when not educated on the matter.

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    11. Re: Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm I'm stupid enough to have 50% of my retirement in any one thing, then I'm not qualified to vote for anybody

      Clearly you're stupid enough to not understand how pensions or other retirement vehicles work. One doesn't have to be part of the active labor force to get fucked over by bad business decisions or corruption. Some people aren't afforded the luxury of choice when it comes to investing.

    12. Re:Buying non-shares by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "I have never, not once, cast a vote for a board member or sent in a proxy form. I just toss them in the trash. So why should I care if I have voting rights, when I don't exercise them?"

      You should send a proxy, usually, they get a meal and a couple of glasses of cheap wine. What's not to like?

    13. Re:Buying non-shares by DogDude · · Score: 1

      ... so are you putting yourself up as a smart guy for not having any say in how a company that you own a fraction of is run? I'm confused.

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    14. Re:Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you also not vote in your local/state/federal elections? The phrase "public companies" has the word "public" in them for a reason. Oh and yes I vote on ALL companies I have shares in (and local/state/fed too) and pretty much own stocks not ETF's because I get to vote.

    15. Re:Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has been quite a while since I have seen so much drivel poured into a comment. Congratulations.

    16. Re: Buying non-shares by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Yup, it was all clearly laid out in the IPO, I remember because I was totally like "WTF?".

      Now IANAL but common sense would suggest that Fuckabug & his cronies wouldn't have bothered trying all that shenanigans if they didn't know it would stand up in court.

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    17. Re:Buying non-shares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why epine writes such long comments, but I know he has at least one loyal reader. Maybe that's enough?

  12. Re:Zuckerberg's real problem by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Too equine.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  13. They wont really do it by DuncanE · · Score: 2

    This is just some kind of grandstanding. Even if Zuckerburg didn't have the controlling shares to stop this I think other key share holders would stop him from being ousted. Despite all the main stream media hate I think Zuckerburg has handled the "scandals" pretty well and most shareholders know this.

    1. Re:They wont really do it by quantaman · · Score: 1

      This is just some kind of grandstanding. Even if Zuckerburg didn't have the controlling shares to stop this I think other key share holders would stop him from being ousted. Despite all the main stream media hate I think Zuckerburg has handled the "scandals" pretty well and most shareholders know this.

      Grandstanding with a purpose though.

      Right now he's chairman & CEO, if other share-holders vote overwhelmingly for him to resign as chairman he'll probably give up one of his titles or at least find some individual they support to give a senior title.

      Even if other share-holders vote as a majority for him to stay, but there's still a strong minority opposed, then he'll probably feel pressured to change things to bring that minority back onside.

      If the vote sputters out, well then his leadership is strengthened and he'll be able to act with a bit less opposition.

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    2. Re:They wont really do it by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      I think some powerful interests aren't too happy that Trump was elected under Zuckerberg's watch. It was after that when Facebook became under such intense media scrutiny, under the flimsy pretext of election 'interference'. Even though Facebook is ramping up the censorship and deplatforming now, it's probably too little too late.

      TPTB want a sock puppet in charge of one of the largest most influential social media sites, and I sincerely doubt that is Zuckerberg. They also tend not to be very forgiving once slighted.

  14. Re:The chance of it becoming a reality is extremel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would work if they could put a metal rod through him and slowly rotate him over fire first?

  15. A and B stocks reversed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in Denmark the A stocks have the voting power, B stocks have none.

    Usually the majority of the A stocks are held by the founders family or a foundation: we have quite a few companies owned that way, for instance Carlsberg owned by the Carlsberg foundation giving money to science.

  16. His company to destroy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess for myself if your on the board, or a Facebook investor and you don't like what Zuckerberg is doing then get out. Its his company to drive into the ground. Personally I wouldn't invest a nickel into Facebook given all the pending privacy litigations. Removing Zuckerberg is hardly the solution to Facebook's woes.

    1. Re: His company to destroy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      âoeInvestorâ = partial owner. He may own 51% of stock, but he is beholden to the other investors.

    2. Re: His company to destroy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the absence of any specific shareholder agreement, no investor has any obligation to other investors at all.

  17. Investor-centric FB will be much, much worse by sinij · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Imagine what investor-centric FB would look like. Maximum ads, maximum data selling, maximum profiling. As much as I dislike Zuck and everything he stands for, I think opening floodgates to predatory capitalism on this isn't going to improve things.

    1. Re:Investor-centric FB will be much, much worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to deal with the devil you know...isn't that an old expression?

    2. Re:Investor-centric FB will be much, much worse by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      Wait as second ... it's not already the case?

  18. Data Breach ? by Pop69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cambridge Analytica wasn't a data breach.

    Every piece of data they gathered was allowed by the site rules

    1. Re:Data Breach ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      True, and it was Facebook who collected and sold the data to Cambridge Analytica. Nothing in that process was surprising to anyone involved and all parties followed their mutual contracts. The data breach happened when the evil scheme was published and even the most idiotic FB users found out how they were manipulated.

    2. Re:Data Breach ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every piece of data they gathered was allowed by the site rules

      As the child of this notes, it was gathered under an academic use contract, but then resold for non academic uses. That doesn't really make it better, since, well once the data is collected it is pretty much going to get abused. The solution is not to allow legally all this collection, and to throw the people in jail who authorize it.

      Having Zuckerberg in charge or not is almost irrelevant.

    3. Re:Data Breach ? by brunes69 · · Score: 2

      Incorrect again.

      The data was not "collected and sold" to Cambridge Analytica.

      Cambridge Analytica collected the data, DIRECTLY, using APIs available to them at the time. Facebook did not "collect and sell" the data.

      Facebook actually does not sell bulk data, at all.

    4. Re:Data Breach ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The Obama campaign made use of the same thing and was applauded for their forward-thinking use of technology, leading to his rise to presidency.

      The next president did the same with the same results.

      Clearly the problem is who did it rather than what was done.

  19. This just in: Facebook is down right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zero response from their servers.

    1. Re: This just in: Facebook is down right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putin's l33t h@X0rs at the troll farm must be meddling again. There's no other possible explanation.

      And Building 7 must have pancaked at free fall speed. AE911Truth Org

  20. Vote? by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    Why would the shareholders hold any votes if a single person has over half the votes?

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    1. Re: Vote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the big brain on Brad! /s

    2. Re:Vote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All shareholders have votes. Some people own more shares than others.

    3. Re: Vote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To let that person know if the course isnâ(TM)t corrected, a mass sell-off might happen, devaluing his stock prices.

  21. Ignorant not Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you read the second paragraph you will see that it is no longer his company, but he retains control through a clear abuse of process.

  22. Axiomatic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is obviously the first move in a process to prove abuse of power with regard to his fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. The next major step will be to use the courts, perhaps as a threat, to wrestle equal voting rights to investors. Once they have that they will have a power to maximise profits at the expense of their users.

    I'm certainly not a fan, but in this case he is probably acting in FB's users best interests wrt privacy.

  23. I have to wonder by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    .. how that situation can possible even be legal.

  24. just another dog whistle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Trillium is an activist investor, in this case "activist" meaning they want to push their social agenda on corporations.

    A cynic would see their FB actions as marketing for their "socially responsible" mutual fund. In other words playing to their (SJW) base, a carefully tuned dog whistle just like Trump's border wall.

  25. You either die a hero... by Dawizman · · Score: 0

    Or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

  26. can we have a vote on feeding him to a bear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...

  27. It's a fucking social media company by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    Datamining their users and selling access to them is what they do.

    Zuck might for the moment be a lightning rod for what is wrong with the company, but I doubt getting rid of him will help the companies image for very long. The reality of the way they make money and its side effects will come up time and time again regardless.

    At the same time you lose someone who runs the company because he cares for it rather than purely for the money. Seems like a poor deal to me.

    1. Re:It's a fucking social media company by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Even worse, sold out USA to the Russians.

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    2. Re:It's a fucking social media company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US people sold themselves out, especially if they were dumb enough to let social media control their voting preferences.

    3. Re:It's a fucking social media company by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      Even worse, sold out USA to the Russians.

      I'm sure those who concocted that narrative are glad some people are still parroting it. 100k of facebook ad buys is nothing out of the ordinary.

    4. Re:It's a fucking social media company by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      The US people sold themselves out, especially if they were dumb enough to let social media control their voting preferences.

      We're having internet censorship inflicted upon us because social media wasn't effective enough at controlling voting preferences. For a rare, brief moment, people actually had a choice. That mistake won't happen again.

    5. Re:It's a fucking social media company by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Traitor trump created that narrative himself.

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    6. Re:It's a fucking social media company by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what an example of how the left can't meme has to do with why the Russian meddling narrative is a deliberate ploy with nothing but appeal to authority to back it up.

  28. Zuckerberg: Seems immature. 2) Comfortable lying. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "... the raving lunatic CEO has all the power..."

    "Raving lunatic" doesn't seem correct to me. I'm amazed at 2 things about Zuckerberg:

    1) After all these years, to me he still looks somewhat like and acts a lot like a young teenager, or even a 12-year-old: 2018 photo.

    2) Zuckerberg seems completely comfortable with lying.

  29. Re:Zuckerberg: Seems immature. 2) Comfortable lyin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a psychopath. He literally does not give a damn about other people and is in fact incapable of it.

  30. Is Facebook like Myspace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped using profile based telecommunications a long time ago. Nobody wants to see my cat photos. If someone is important to you then contact them directly or invite them out somewhere. Clicking 'thumbs up' on something doesn't mean shit in the real world, it just feeds data miners.

  31. Only shareholders get a vote by Comboman · · Score: 1

    "Owning" company stock via an index fund or ETF or mutual fund does not grant you voting rights. You have to actually own individual company stock in order to vote.

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  32. Re:Zuckerberg: Seems immature. 2) Comfortable lyin by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    People are frozen at the age they first become wealthy. He sees the world through a lens of his own making.

  33. He's gotten old and stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By The Zuck's own standards, he has gotten too old -- and therefore too stupid -- to work in the tech industry anymore.

    He should step aside so that smart people (i.e. those under the age of 25) can take over and "disrupt" the shit out of it.