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Pepsi Drops Plans To Use Artificial Constellation To Promote An Energy Drink (spacenews.com)

Just days after Pepsi announced that it would advertise its products in space using a Russian startup, the company now says it will no longer pursue the plans, avoiding what likely would have resulted in significant public criticism. Slashdot reader schwit1 shares a report from SpaceNews: The publication Futurism reported April 13 that PepsiCo's Russian subsidiary was working with a startup there called StartRocket to advertise an energy drink called "Adrenaline Rush" using satellites. The company has proposed flying a set of small satellites in formation, reflecting sunlight with Mylar sails to create logos or other advertising messages visible from the ground after sunset and before sunrise.

PepsiCo's headquarters in the United States has shot down the idea. "We can confirm StartRocket performed an exploratory test for stratosphere advertisements using the Adrenaline GameChangers logo," a company spokesperson told SpaceNews April 15. "This was a one-time event; we have no further plans to test or commercially use this technology at this time." The company didn't elaborate on the "exploratory test for stratosphere advertisements," but it appears to refer to a high-altitude balloon test of the technology that StartRocket says on its website it planned to carry out in April in cooperation with Russia's Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology, or Skoltech.
"People have a visceral dislike of space-based advertising," adds schwit1.

85 comments

  1. We did it! by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    All of our complaining worked! Now let's go celebrate with a nice cold Pepsi!

    1. Re: We did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coke, you mean...

    2. Re: We did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Bull Cola, please.
      At least it tastes of things that actually exist in nature. (Delicious things.)
      Just don't dring it too cold, or you'll numb your senses, miss it, and it will taste watery.

      Coke/Pepsi bores to death, and has only shit ingredients. Also their behavior is despicable.

    3. Re:We did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tap water run through an r/o system is fine by me

    4. Re: We did it! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      EVIZ BULGROZ!!!

      60 years ago, Belgian comic writers Greg and Franquin imagined a prototypical megalomaniac mad scientist whose attempt to fame included advertizing Coca Cola on the moon by sending rockets with dyes to the moon : http://www.otakia.com/wp-conte...

      More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    5. Re: We did it! by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, Arthur C. Clarke did it 63 years ago with a giant sodium cloud in the shape of a (probably) Coca-cola logo.

    6. Re: We did it! by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      Yea well Heinlein did it 70 years ago in The Man Who Sold the Moon.

    7. Re: We did it! by Opyros · · Score: 1
    8. Re:We did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "at this time" at the end of any sentence basically just means for 3 months/current quarter they stopped talking about it and are talking about other things for now, but will revisit this again once people are distracted by something else to complain about.

    9. Re: We did it! by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      That is a weird way to spell RC Cola.

      Don't forget to L@@K under the liner though before throwing the cap away. :D

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    10. Re: We did it! by cwatts · · Score: 1

      And James Merendino has been trying to get his "Neon Moon" script produced for, well, ever.

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    11. Re: We did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All cola and other carbonated sugar water drinks are disgusting.

  2. Look! Now we're cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Hey look!! We're So Responsive We Dropped The Idea!!"

    Yay Pepsi. Sorta like someone offers to poop on your living room carpet, then says they must be awesome people because they didn't when you asked them not to.

    Yay Pepsi. Or something.

    1. Re: Look! Now we're cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is like New Coke kind of thinking.

  3. They remembered the Kendal Jenner debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They remembered the Kendal Jenner debacle.

    1. Re:They remembered the Kendal Jenner debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying to carve his name into the moon when he got nip-tucked by the beam... poor crazy bastard.

  4. Let's fuck up the sky as well by ruddk · · Score: 2

    with daily ads.

    I suppose it is better than Project A119(detonating a nuclear bomb on the Moon).

    1. Re:Let's fuck up the sky as well by Immerman · · Score: 1

      How exactly? How does a momentary burst of dust and radiaton on a radiation-soaked ball of dust and rock, with scientific and military applications, compare to a long-lived contamination of the beauty of the night sky?

      Yeah "nuclear bad" and all that, but the moon makes the worst badlands we test them on here look like verdant paradises in comparison - and here the fallout reaches everywhere in the world.

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    2. Re:Let's fuck up the sky as well by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Huh? Why is better? The nuclear bomb would have no lasting impacts and be minor compared to the endless barrage of of meteors that strike the surface. Hell NASA live streamed the event happening naturally https://www.space.com/43075-bl... during the last luna eclipse. Now admittedly it was only 1/3rd of the size of Project A119 but it also didn't leave any notable mark on the moon, unlike the other many thousands of times the same thing has happened on a bigger scale.

      You didn't even know this happened did you? So I ask you again, how is fucking up the sky better than something equivalent to an event that passed you by unnoticed?

  5. BeauHD, MILLENIAL FUDGEPACKER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suck my balls, Beau!

  6. The plan from the start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get twice the PR for the price of a press release.

    As marketing, a genius move. As an actual human being, one step away from being a psychopat who uses NLP to program women into letting him rape them in the ass cause then daddy will love them.
    As a capitalist, just another day of the week.

    1. Re:The plan from the start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > from being a psychopat who uses NLP to program women into letting him rape them in the ass cause then daddy will love them

      does it actually work? any success stories?

    2. Re: The plan from the start. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Get twice the PR

      Don't fool yourself; there is such a thing as bad publicity... and all that you need to achieve it is to hire the sort of morons that clearly run Pepsi.

      Then again, I'm not quite sure how the soft drink industry is supposed to grow their 'Sales of Slurm' (as per Wall Street's expectations) without pulling something out of their ass.

    3. Re: The plan from the start. by sjames · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not a big soda drinker, but I will stop completely if they start pulling things out of their ass.

    4. Re: The plan from the start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one came from in front.

    5. Re: The plan from the start. by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I'm not a big soda drinker, but I will stop completely if they start pulling things out of their ass.

      You're probably not in their target demographic - they'll make more money turning regular soda drinkers from Coke to Pepsi than convincing an occasional soda drinker (who is probably not even brand-loyal) to drink an occasional Pepsi, it seems unlikely that they'll turn an occasional drinker into a regular drinker. The average American drinks 45 gallons of soda a year (~16 ounces/day) -- this is who they want.

    6. Re: The plan from the start. by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      I'm not a big soda drinker, but I will stop completely if they start pulling things out of their ass.

      Leela: How can you trick people into drinking something that comes out of your behind? It's disgusting.

      Slurm Queen: Is it? Honey comes from a bee's behind. Milk comes from a cow's behind. And have you ever used toothpaste?

      Fry: Whose behind does that come from?

      Slurm Queen: You don't wanna know.

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    7. Re: The plan from the start. by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Milk comes from a cow's behind

      That's udderly untrue.

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    8. Re: The plan from the start. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I always thought honey was bee barf, not bee doo... (I know, it was just a Futurama quote, but when else will I get the opportunity to utilize the phrase bee barf?)

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    9. Re: The plan from the start. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the moment when Hunk (I think that was who it was) showed Allura and Coran where the milk from the ice cream they were enjoying came from.

      Still need to finish the last season and a half soon and then try the original Voltron once Legendary Defender is wrapped up.

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    10. Re: The plan from the start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you consume at least a few of their products. They own WAY more than just soda, or even beverages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PepsiCo#Business_divisions

    11. Re: The plan from the start. by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      So the quote is incorrect about both honey AND milk....

      Now I really wonder where toothpaste is really coming from!

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    12. Re: The plan from the start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of bees produce milk?

      BooBees...

      I'll be here all week. Tip the friendly trolls please. They live off of tips ;)

  7. This is stupid by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    A total waste of resources for something that is unhealthy anyway.

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    1. Re:This is stupid by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      It would have been public vandalism of the right of every person to enjoy a view of the milky way and they would have be subject to an extremely damaging global class action suit.

      America, everyone loves looking from the coast out to see, why don't you show the world what proper seppos you are and put billboards at the waterline, claim it is for the safety of children they can grab hold of them if they are drowning, profits right there but of course only on peasant, 'er', public beaches, definitely not in front of the under waterfront mansions of the rich and greedy.

      Nobody hates seppos more than other seppos, seriously, look at the way you treat each other.

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    2. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was just "vaporware" in the first place. The Russian startup is just trying to fuck organizations out of money that are too stupid to understand basic astrodynamics. Pepsi probably consulted with someone who had half a clue and realized this (I'm sure they gave two fucks about the few people who 'think it is an unwise use of resources'). You can't draw things in the sky with a formation of satellites. That simply isn't how orbits work. First, they constantly move relative to each other. Second, I'd like to see them maintain a constellation with tiny satellites for any duration. The differential perturbations require orbit maintenance beyond the capabilities of little pissant satellites, even if they were critically inclined.

      I'm just upset I didn't come up with this idea to fuck idiots out of millions of dollars.

    3. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just remembered they were going to use a small formation to fly a Mylar sail - that is even less possible.

      Christ, brilliant way to swindle money though.

    4. Re: This is stupid by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...an extremely damaging global class action suit.

      In "Global Civil Court," no doubt.

    5. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a big loss. I was looking forward to seeing what the news media would do when hackers painted a huge dick in the sky.

    6. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toastyyyyyyyyy!!!

  8. Don't fall for the ads by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pepsi gets ads for "considering" space ads. Pepsi gets ads for "withdrawing" space ads. Pepsi gets several news cycles for cheap. Don't fall for the obviously false narrative.

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    1. Re:Don't fall for the ads by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Right; perhaps they learned it watching the New Coke campaign.

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    2. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, because now that people have heard of "Pepsi" they will go out and buy one, since, you know, they never heard of Pepsi before.

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    3. Re:Don't fall for the ads by stevent1965 · · Score: 1

      In related news, Coca Cola announces its regret at PepsiCo's decision and urges that the advertising technology proposed by Pepsi be fully developed. A spokesperson noted "It would be great for business!" It is unclear which company's business would benefit the most.....

    4. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I fully believe that Pepsi would rather nobody had heard of the idea in the first place. They don't need an article mentioning them to remind people that they exist, and they don't want their brand associated with destroying the night sky. Articles like this tell people that they explored something horrible, so it does not work in their favor even though they've dropped it... only less in their disfavor than if they hadn't.

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    5. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My take-away:
      before: Pepsi is an amoral brand for even considering space-based advertising in the first place and I will no longer buy any of their products (some of which I did).
      after: Pepsi is an amoral brand for even considering space-based advertising in the first place and I will no longer buy any of their products (some of which I did).

    6. Re:Don't fall for the ads by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Right, because now that people have heard of "Pepsi" they will go out and buy one, since, you know, they never heard of Pepsi before.

      So what is this "Pepsi" then? Do I have to buy one to find out or will an explanation do?

    7. Re:Don't fall for the ads by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      It's water, acid (ph 2.53), sodium, a ton of sugar, and a little bit of flavor. In short, a horribly vile drink that all should avoid. The other brands are just about the same.

    8. Re:Don't fall for the ads by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm more inclined to go with incompetence. Their Superbowl ad was also widely panned.

      They are certainly no Nike or Gillette, carefully pissing off a small but vocal minority while gaining support from everyone else in the backlash.

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    9. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's better than Coca-Cola, though that's not saying much. Avoid all of them canned or bottled - if they're from a soda fountain with fresh fizzy water and some crushed ice they're kind of OK though. They all taste a little like medicine though - particularly Dr. Pepper. And the diet ones taste like fear.

    10. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are certainly no Nike or Gillette, catering to a small but vocal non-customer minority while losing support from some customers with most completely oblivious to what is going on.

      FTFY.

    11. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and pepsi just lost my business *PERMANENTLY* for stating they intended to do this.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_PepsiCo

    12. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because now that people have heard of "Pepsi" they will go out and buy one, since, you know, they never heard of Pepsi before.

      By your logic they shouldn't even advertise yet they do

    13. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the carbonation in the water, unless you felt that the pH was sufficient explanation, personally, I find it lacking.

    14. Re:Don't fall for the ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't most large corporations amoral?

      Generally what keeps them from doing bad things are laws that prevent them, and fear of bad PR.

  9. Any publicity is good publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else think this the whole time?

    1. Re:Any publicity is good publicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  10. Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People have a visceral dislike of space-based advertising," adds schwit1.

    No, people have a visceral dislike of ANY advertising - and the more obnoxious and unavoidable, the more they hate it.

    In a way, I wish Pepsi had gone through with their stupid plan: it might have provoked a real backlash against the ubiquitous brain pollution that is advertising. People bear with it because of things like Adblock on the internet, fast-forward on TV boxes, and looking the other way on the road. But there's no avoiding a disfigured night sky.

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    1. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Still trying to understand why the superbowl (er superb owl) gets a pass on this.

    2. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You're obviously referring to something but I have no idea what. Please tell me you aren't referring to some niche super bowl commercial without explaining yourself.

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    3. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      the term 'super bowl' is apparently under copyright. So when Colbert was talking about a few years back, he referred to it as 'superb owl'

    4. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      In a way, I wish Pepsi had gone through with their stupid plan: it might have provoked a real backlash against the ubiquitous brain pollution that is advertising.

      It would have been fun, for every 3rd world country with a rocket program trying to make the big leagues with some anti-satellite antics, to start taking shots at it.

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    5. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Mostly we tolerate it because it funds things we want. We like TV shows and websites enough to put up with the intrusion. A sign floating in space pays for nothing.

    6. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No, people have a visceral dislike of ANY advertising - and the more obnoxious and unavoidable, the more they hate it.

      Parse error. Circular logic. (True) != (True under certain circumstances)

    7. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. that's why most events promoted during superbowl Sunday (parties, bar, public screenings) are all using terms like "Come see the Big Game on Sunday with us". Never will you see an ad using the term 'superbowl' because of that copyright.

    8. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      That is not copyrighted. Names do not get copyright protection, just trademark. And that is why a toilet cleaner can be called Super Bowl without risk of a business destroying lawsuit.

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    9. Re:Visceral dislike of space-based advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're supposed to be looking down. Your feet don't fit your shoes. Oh, that's right, the shoe-shop ray is currently tuned to create partisan divide over the two fake halves of the totalitarian party, my bad.

  11. Fry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Well sure, but not in our dreams! Only on tv and radio...and in magazines...and movies. And at ball games, on buses, and milk cartons, and t-shirts, and bananas, and written on the sky. But not in dreams! No sirree.

  12. Goes out and buys a case of Pepsi by YCrCb · · Score: 1

    Great job Pepsi!

  13. UN NEEDS TO BAN SPACE ADVERTISING! NOW!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOW!!

  14. Maybe very tiny by raymorris · · Score: 1

    It occurs to me that the overall shape of the 100 meter International Space Station can be seen with binoculars, resting atop one's car.

    At the same altitude, and ten times that distance, 1km, a shape could be visible to the naked eye. (Cubesats 1km apart, each holding a mylar sail). At 1km distance between, they'd orbit almost as if it was one object. In fact, they could be attached with mylar coated tethers.

    At an altitude lower than IIS, they could be slightly closer together, or appear larger.

    1. Re:Maybe very tiny by sheramil · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pepsi could have donated several hundred square meters of additional solar panels for the ISS. Panels that just happen to be shaped like letters of the alphabet.

      "Guys, great job installing the new panels.. but you need to re-arrange them. People are wondering what 'PE PIS' means."

    2. Re:Maybe very tiny by oobayly · · Score: 1

      A 1km sheet, at an altitude of 300 km would have an angular size of 11 arc minutes, or 1/3 the apparent size of the moon. The resolution of the naked eye is about 1 arc minute, so all you have is a 121 px thumbnail, although based on being able to see detail on the moon, there's a lot of anti-aliasing going on!

      To get a decent thumbnail, say 64x64 px so we can identify the Pepsi logo properly, we'll need a screen 5.8 km square. At that size, tidal accelerations are only about +- 0.015 m/s^2 (0.15% of a g), but it'll be enough to cause problems trying to keep a infinitesimally thin sheet flat planar.

      10 micron mylar is also 13.6g/m^2. We won't need it that thick - assume 0.1 micron - so a 5.8 km square sheet will have a mass of 4.57 tonnes, or 1.1 kg per cubesat.

      I set out to debunk this with numbers, but it's not necessarily completely impossible, just an insanely stupid waste of money. I suppose they could dress it up as a sponsored solar sail test.

    3. Re:Maybe very tiny by raymorris · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you knew how to do the numbers and arrived at the same conclusion - a tiny one would be hard, but probably not impossible.

  15. I Offer Pepsi an Indulgence by pefisher · · Score: 2

    It has become standard procedure for Indulgence seeking corporations to make a contribution to a charity that epitomizes the principal to which they are now committed. I suggest Pepsi might want to give the International Dark-Sky Society the same amount of money they paid for the balloon "demonstration" they don't plan to repeat. I was just trying to think of a way to reduce the nagging feeling that I still need to forgo that cool, wet, sparkling Pepsi taste.

    1. Re:I Offer Pepsi an Indulgence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone should give some money to the International Dark-Sky Association. They are one of the better environmental groups out there who really want to protect an invaluable resource for everyone.

      www.darksky.org

  16. capitalism is working on a way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to bombard you with commercials and ad's until you cannot look away.

    this was just too much at once, is all.

  17. Re:Look! Now we're cool! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    To be fair to the maligned megacorp, they said none of that, you were the one who said it all. They released a simple purely factual statement about their decision, in response to inquiries. They did not launch a new advertising campaign about their responsible choices or make any attempt to turn their decision into a marketing technique.

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  18. Red Dwarf! by AxisOfPleasure · · Score: 1

    Life imitates art, mostly 'cos companies are lazy and steal ideas no matter how nuts they are. Red Dwarf, the books not the show, the reason Kryten is really where he is was because of the leading cola company was sending stars super-nova in order to write a slogan across the sky that would be seen night and day. I bet Naylor is pissing himself laughing at this story.

  19. "a visceral dislike of space-based advertising" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "People have a visceral dislike of space-based advertising"

    People have a visceral dislike of ANY advertising. Space-based just makes it that extra little bit more aggravating.

  20. I did my part to stop this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went to Pepsi's website and submitted a message telling them I won't do business anymore with any of their companies if they do this. They listen to people who vote with their money, they really do.

  21. Startrocket had better have a secure system by DrXym · · Score: 1

    It would be truly tragic if they launched these satellites and someone were able to brick them, hack them to display a space dick, or send them burning into the atmosphere.

  22. Already tried about 15 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...where there was plans to launch an orbital billboard which would display a symbol that was to be be associated with various companies and brands. It would have been made of a very thin material and once in orbit, unfurreled like a sail. This pissed a lot of people off, and the project never went anywhere.

      Looks like nobody learned their lesson the first time around, and scince now they want to send a giant electronic space sign, expect to see penises, swastikas, and everything else offensive appear in the night sky once this gets hacked