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Techn0ir writes: E.themes.org has added a whole bunch of
new goodies for you to play with. We've
updated the screenshot gallery, as well as adding a "User Database".
There is also a new message board, Themes ratings and new polling system. Enjoy!
There are also a good bit of other changes over @Themes.org so
swing over there and check em' out.
Score 1!
Are those people actually using their machines for something besides making screenshots?
Wow the themes look great! I like the Hand Of God and the Transcendental Experience themes! Time to install the latest E :)
ANonymous
On the technoir screenshot (3rd from the top)
Is the button shadowing on the GIMP tools part of the windowmanager or GIMP itself?
Is that the GTK version of Mozilla?
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
That's what I get when I follow the link to e.themes.org.
Ever notice that October X only posts stuff about his site....themse.org...
hmm... fishy dont you think rob?
Do you have any point? Oct started that site by himself. It's grown into something great. I know the guy personally before he even ran the site and he's a great guy. Leave him alone and contribute something useful *yourself*
who cares?
Why not notify everyone via email every time a story is added to slashdot? Whenever freshmeat posts new programs? Is this really news?
Umm I find it hard to believe that E crashes your entire system...Like you said "my kernel hacking experiences are another thing altogether." So quit f'ing up your kernel because everytime you do nothing will be stable.
These must be fake, is that even possible to do? I've got my machine to do about 11.00 load and it was completely unusuable *grin*. I can't even imagine that telnet would work with a 78 load average.
The same thing has happened many times to me, made me give up E too. If you don't have telnet access, there's really no difference between locking up the machine and loosing keyboard and mouse access. You still have to reboot. Based on my other very good experiences with most of Linux, the almost daily rebooting (without a proper shutdown) due to the use of E was starting to remind me too much of Microsoft products.
And it's been that way for years. How many rewrites now? I've lost count. Face it, this guy just likes to code new features and dosen't know how to make something stable and useful.
the work into creating artwork for these themes
is redundant and reinventing the wheel.
anyone know if there's work being done to convert
UI elements from kaleidoscope (http://www.kaleidoscope.org) and map them as close as possible to these themes.
its seems a real waste to make all new themes,
when THOUSANDS already exist, if we could only get some sort of converter.
know what to write,
and what to rewrite.
That sounds to me like you're got hardware problems. I've never heard of "vertical red lines" from crashing XFree before. If your hardware locks up, the rest of the system usually sits there waiting for that piece to respond. (or "locked up" since you can't get in there anyways)
And if it's running as root, it can most certainly hang the kernel. Maybe you should be using the Xwrapper? (don't have a URL, most distros come with it)
the work into creating artwork for these themes
is redundant and reinventing the wheel.
anyone know if there's work being done to convert
UI elements from kaleidoscope (http://kaleidoscope.net/schemes/new.shtml) and map them as close as possible to these themes?
its seems a real waste to make all new themes,
when THOUSANDS already exist, if we could only get some sort of converter.
know what to write,
and what to rewrite.
A lot of the configuration tools already exist in the GNOME capplet for E. Just click that remote control down there...
Not using GNOME? Well... that's a shame.
Well, seeing as my thread was removed on the issue of professional presentation to the public, or was it because all the children and their name calling and rude statments was blinded by their own egos unable to see what the thread was even about? I sit here and read this site day to day, watching and alot of the time sneering at the groupie efforts to make excuses for failures. The site FAILED plain and simple, NO it isnt good enough that there are posts stating that the load averages are off the charts (though those posts .. yah
were posted after my thread had begun), it is in fact unprofessional to release anything to the public with out validating the stability of whatever it may be. this was not a flame to the
content of the site, nor to slashdot itself. slashdot is only a conduit for the information
to the public. it is however the responsibility of
the governing body of that site to insure satisfaction of the customer. NO a person doesnt
have to pay to be considered a customer, and lets
not hear no whining that he does this in his spare
time, or he ask for no money from me or the public
that views this site, for your all in it for Open source, and FREE stuff.. so.. their isnt an issue of how much time he has spent on it without pay.
What do i get in return? slanderous remarks,
and the like.. is this professional, is this the way to respond to the inquisitive public? i think not, this is indeed the same tactic microsoft uses
to find the problems in their product.. push it
out the door.. let the people find the bugs
THEN we'll fix it.. as i said.. for linux it shouldnt be handled the same way, linux is supposed to be better remember? or is it only
better with the appropriate excuse, such as
these 'slashdot effects' and 'high load'
i can see an MIS now.. shoot my NT does that..
but its all a differnt story for linux..
we all jump on the flaming bandwagon when NT does
something wrong, but when poor little linux has a bum day.. excuses poor, and are widley accepted amoungst the linux community??? come on..
XOXOXO
Hi, im an engineer, and was entertaining the thought of grabbing a copy of linux to test in a
few environments we have setup with commercial unix (hpux), and i'd like to thank the slashdot community, in showing me that linux just like NT, cant handle such a HUGE load.
Good day.
NOW, TELL ME.. IS THIS THE IMAGE YOU WANT PROJECTED? THINK!
It very well could be. I can consistantly crash X with certain icons in KDE. I can use those same icons in other WMs, so something with KDE>X crashes it. It wasn't a good icon to begin with, so I could care less.
But if you're not willing to learn your system enough to configure it, I think you'll have no choice but to either put up with the crashes, or use something else. But DON'T start calling Linux unstable due to *YOUR* inability to reconfigure X yourself.
Like it or not, Linux is still a "hacker's OS" by many standards. I don't mean this in a bad way, (*ducks flames*) only that you are expected to know how to get into the thick of things if you need to. This ain't no newbie OS. (yet)
>It might have something to do with the fact that
>OctobrX RUNS THEMES.ORG!!! I believe this is just
>honour among webmasters, so CmdrTaco lets octobrX post stuff when there is a site update
no no it has got to be much more than that, he has to be a microsoft spy that infiltrated slashdot and was able to get permision from rob to post that has put up a fake theams page that is running on linux then having it slashdoted so that they can claim it was linux not handling the load. so that billy boy can report back to the aliens who acually control the earth and let them know that humans still pose no threat to his monopoly on windows and desktop software.
No one ever claimed Linux would be able to handle ALL loads. Only that it would handle (much) larger loads than NT.
I don't think there's ANYTHING that can handle 20,000 hits in a matter of minutes.
First, I just hope that you can someday go back and see how much of a DORK you sound like with your useless bitching and whining.
/. effect, but as we've seen so many are, and in those cases all flaming is due and appropriate.
It's a free site, FREE, get it? That means that YES it's done in their free time(ie: they don't have the time to work out all the bugs/performance) That means that the server isn't the latest greatest hardware with everything maxed out! Geez!
Under NO circumstances should any commercial/business site ever be inadequate to serve under the
And if you think you can do better, go ahead... nobodys stopping you!
IMHO, what you call a FAILURE, I call a success, that there was that much interest/demand for the site to slow down like that.
Hehe... yeah, whatever... it craps out just as easily, so does solaris... everything has it's limits!
If you ARE a true engineer which I really doubt, you would know that first-hand testing is the only way to know the limits of any system. Try it and see, I think you'll be pleasantly suprised!
Baah! with FBCON, you can't use TEXT MODE. TEEXT MODE. [at least, this is what I have heard...]
Ok octobrx keep us updated on that breaking news about your site! I am sure glad to hear about themes.org improving but I dont need a post to slashdot to hear it. And what the hell do you think themes.org is? Staff members? "Interviewing for a new staff member" , "your staff members". How about a reality check you arent running a corporation, you are running a lame themes site with a bunch of screen shots. You dont have staff members, Half the crap you post is about your moving to california and your wifes back or something stupid like that. Thats great and all its your site but if thats the kind of crap the site has dont post to slashdot.org soley for advertising your site. Reality Check trae.
I am not sure I understand why you feel that a link to every distribution, mpeg3 and "other stuff" should be on the main page. Especially pages like wm.themes.org, who would want to look at links to every distribution known to man while they are trying to find a theme. Just my opinion.
-fibs@faradic.net
Ok, I have to respond.
:)
I've worked with Apache, Roxen, mSQL, MySQL, perl, php, Oracle, yada yada yada, you get the point.
First, you're saying that it's a problem with "perl and mysql" and later saying "Roxen rocks", well it's fairly obvious that Roxen isn't going to help solve the "perl and mysql" problems at all. The web server isn't the issue here unless you have it grossly misconfigured, Apache or Roxen will perform almost identically under load and each have their own strengths, they are not the problem.
Sounds to me like the problem is either that you're not using mod_perl with Apache, and your perl scripts are starting with every hit and opening new connections to mysql with every hit. Setting up mod_perl and using persistent db connections will make a WORLD of a difference here, unimaginable difference!
Second, there is quite a bit of tuning/tweaking that can be done with databases, and often proper db design from the start is just as important. Post up a mysqldump -d and we'll work through it
Are you certain that it was Linux that crashed? I heard it was the SQL server, which then wouldn't be linux's fault. It could have been the web server. However you shouldn't jump to assumptions without knowing the facts.
Slashdot is running linux right now, and it gets /.'d every day. The reason it doesnt crash though is because Rob works on it full time now and has upgraded his hardware to properly handle the load. Linux can handle great deals of loads, however, you shouldn't expect it to handle thousands of hits a minute on a 486. Besides, it appears that one of the servers (SQL, or HTTPD) failed, not Linux.
If don't think that E development and themes have much to do with each other. New versions of E can be found at enlightenment.org and it's mirrors. This is a notice that e.themes.org has been updated. whoopty doo. Telling me not to read it doesn't answer my question of why it is considered news.
If you just feel like telling me to not read things, don't reply.
were so sorry.. all of slashdot ows you an apology.. we werent aware that you werent interested in E news.. next time we wont post it because YOU dont care.
This pretty much shows how useless "octobrx" posts are Themes.org site updates is not slashdot worthy news, i would rather read about bill gates sexual life.
You tell me, those of you who responded, how many of you bothered to understand this was a rhetorical question. Jeez
... but I find that enlightenment is too flexible, hard to use, and too 'dynamic' at the moment. I've been using DR 0.15 on my desktop at home for the last month and I'm starting to want to change. Bearing in mind that the reason for running Enlightenment is the great themes, the reasons I am thinking of changing is...
:-)
1) Themes at too hard to create. You need to create bitmaps for everything!
2) There arn't enough themes - partially due to (1) and that themes for earlier versions don't work with current versions.
3) The 10 or so mode toggles (window sizing, mouse focus...) have no feedback as to what mode you are in.
4) It isn't friendly with large windows. If I open a big image in The Gimp all the resizing areas are off of the screen. Have to resort to weird key strokes.
5) Adding new programs to the desktop is a major undertaking - Gimping up bitmaps, hacking config files and so on.
6) You can't change your theme mid session. (Actually there is a command line tool which looks like it will do it, but that is hardly a couple of mouse clicks...)
7) Transparent consoles look nice, but they arn't that great to run vi in - the background can be distracting. But they do look nice
Not to say that I hate Enlightenment, just that it needs more work on the ease of creating and using themes before I would set go through the effort of setting it up on another machine. It's introduced me to some great features like roll-up windows, but they are available with other WMs.
Mike.
mafield@the.net.nz
12:28pm up 17 days, 3:12, 5 users, load average: 59.09, 77.82, 79.77
--
David Coulson (TechNoir)
technoir@themes.org
It appears that the SQL server can't quite keep up with all of you. Please forgive us :)
--
David Coulson (TechNoir)
technoir@themes.org
I'm getting lots of 404s, internal server errors, and the ever populat 'document contains no data'.
Don't worry about it too much. If you don't like E, use something else instead; after all, it's not like it's the One True Way. As for myself, I've been using E for the last couple weeks and I like it so far, but I would *not*, repeat *not*, recommend it for everybody. I got it because I wanted to create maybe some interesting and odd-looking themes, at least for myself, and I downloaded it under the understanding that I might trip over some bugs and that I would need to get my hands dirty to do what I want. Even then, I still have Window Maker as backup in case E gets too crashy for me. (So far I've experienced no random crashes, though I've found at least one nasty bug.) Not everyone wants to draw their own pixmaps for buttons (though I like the idea) or has the time or inclination to mess with config files.
If you want a pretty good looking window manager that doesn't require a lot of muss and fuss to customize, get Window Maker. You won't be able to configure *everything* the way you can for Enlightenment, but it's a lot more painless to configure the things that you can configure. Window Maker also has themes, too, and IMHO, those themes look good. If the lure of being able to change anything you want becomes too strong, you can always go back to E.
In any case, don't worry too much about it. Not wanting to mess with config files is not a moral failing. WMs are not a religion. Use what works for you.
P.S. If you don't like transparent backgrounds, just use regular old xterm. And AFAIK, windows that are too big for the screen are a problem in just about every WM. I think it's an X problem, not a WM problem.
Posted by HolyMackeralAndy:
Time for Apache????
Well I have had a Solaris box do that kind of load and still be telnetable. Now is wasn't comfortable but it was doable.
int main()
{
iopl(3);
asm("cli");
}
and run it as root (unmount and sync first!) The problem is not the kernel, it's that such an obscenely complex program as the X server is given complete power over the system.
Heh, I've had a P166 running Linux in the 250 :-)
range through intentional fork-bombing, and
managed to bring it back without a reboot.
Granted it was a shell-based fork bomb, which
was really easy to kill (just delete the script),
but I was still able to enter that rm command,
after many, many tries.
And she's DOWN FOR THE COUNT!!
(DoH!)
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
Err, that's X and ONLY X locking you up.. Don't blame enlightenment if it tried to take advantage of your incorrectly configured X Server..
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
It's GTK, Babee.. That's the themeing ability of the actual toolkit.
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
Max load is dependant on alot of things.. On a 486, 11 means 'Reboot'.. On an high end SGI, Heck, 50 still means 'If it settles down, it'll be fine..'..
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
I guess the question ends up being..
When is that?
It's gettingto be very usable (I do, AAMOF), but when is there enough base to do it?
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
That would be WONDERFULL.. Unfortionatly, I'm not sure it would be all that easy.. Perhaps on a Mac it could be done..
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
Enlightenment merely brings the X Server to it's knees in what it's trying to do.. Most X Servers aren't pushed that far.. ;-P
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
Not in E, they're not.
wah. Themes.Org and the wide world of windowmanagers are clearly two things that OctoberX knows well. Would you rather he branch out and post items about which he knows little, or is interested in less?
geez..get a grip.
It might have something to do with the fact that
OctobrX RUNS THEMES.ORG!!! I believe this is just
honour among webmasters, so CmdrTaco lets octobrX post stuff when there is a site update
While it would be unbelieveably cool (there were rumors of a scheme-to-Theme converter for MacOS for a while, actually) you're talking some really interesting programming stunts. Among others, you'd have to teach Linux how to access the resource fork of a Mac file. I'm not sure it's ever really been able to do that; even something like gzip just discards the resource fork completely.
If it were possible it'd be great; I'd love using some of Albie Wong's or even Layne Karkruff's work on my machine. They do great schemes, and their they'd absolutely rock on E.
-Millennium
Linux crashes, deal with it. I used to believe peoples claims that "it's just XFree that crashed, Linux is still running".
Well now I have a second machine networked to my main machine and I know better.
I'd finally gotten XFree to the point where it didn't crash, but I just installed KDE and run the kdm_on script because I heard it was better than xdm. Well about 50% of the time when I exit X my machine hangs with vertical red stripes on the screen. Not only do I lose keyboard and mouse access, the nfs exports no longer respond, the machine doesn't respond to telnet, http, ftp, or even pings.
If kdm doesn't crash Linux it does a damn good impression. At least a BSOD gives some information about the crash, Linux just goes down hard.
A few people, probably students or people with full time jobs UNRELATED to their web site, are providing us with a service for FREE. Why would a private web page be as good as a commercial when someone is hired FOR MONEY to work all day on it? Why would their hardware be as good as a company who can afford the newest technologies and the highest bandwidth?
I see that you are trying to say Linux isn't as good as Windows. I pity you for thinking this. There are thousands of people hacking the kernel for free, and right now it is more stable than Windows will probably ever be. But the point is there are THOUSANDS of people hacking the kernel, there are a few people running this web site for FREE. Why do you expect them to have enough bandwidth for thousands of people in a few hours?
I don't understand why you are carrying on this arguement, you obviously have no respect for the hard work they put into the site. When it comes down to it, you are ruining it for all of us, because you are simply discouraging people from ever doing something for the good of the community. You are probably one of the people who flamed scoop when he revamped freshmeat. You know what: next time you dislike something, just ignore it. When you get out to the real world, you're going to realize that you don't go around criticizing the good Samaritans of society. You start pointing out everybody's flaws and someone is either going to beat you silly or you're never going to get a job (or friends).
Listen, just calm yourself before you reply. Don't flame or swear, but rationally think this over. You are the one who is incorrect here; just accept it. It is immature and inconsiderate to critize someone such as the e.themes.org team. Now close your browser, count to ten, and seriously think about changing your attitude before posting again.
I have found a general lack of good themes for Enlightenment that are not the Default! Besides Flaunt and Obsidian(rocks) I cannot name any that measure up to E's flexibility and aesthetics. I belive this is due to the changing Theme API, hopefully it will stabilize with the next release.
Me too. But then I hooked up a dumb terminal to my serial port. Now I know better. The server you used is fucked up. (SVGA, maybe?) Go and try different servers for your card, (If you can. In my case, I could.) or build one yourself.
Another thing you might try, (If you haven't already.) Is kill gpm. That caused alot of problems for me.
I have never had a BSOD give me any information besides "You're fucked!"
I'll keep my keen perception sharp without being "told" information about the crash. (HAHAHAHA)
c a l x
Which SQL server are you using? I had similar problems with mSQL, but I switched to mySQL (which I think /. uses) and haven't had trouble since.
:-(.
If you're using mySQL, I can start to worry
D
Let's first bear in mind that themes.org is, as far as I can tell, a highly popular site run by a small number of people who have other things to do. In other words, it's a hobby effort, not a major business. It's not fair to judge such an effort against the uptime standards we have for sites with full-time management, heavy advertising revenue, etc, etc.
For all I know, the hardware might be a 386 sitting on someone's borrowed T1 someplace, in which case it's not performing any worse than we might expect.
However, I think it would help a lot of us - especially those who run small sites using mySQL (as I do) - if we could hear back from them to find out why this is happening. How many hits are we talking about here? What's failing? Are we running out of memory? Disk space? Something else? Are contributions of memory needed? More bandwith? A faster CPU? Let's find out.
If they could share the results, we can all work together to build better systems - which I think is exactly the point. Not putting each other down; making sure things like this don't happen again, or are far less common.
D
Are those people actually using their machines for something besides making screenshots? :) I actually use it because I like the floating desktops, and the window roll-up option, and I haven't even bothered downloading any themes other than the default since version 0.13. (Couldn't stand the default back then, too messy. It looks much better now.)
At times I wonder... once they come back online, look in the 'screenshot archive' a few days back, there's one guy who set his Netscape up to have some kind of black-and-red pattern on it which may look neat (from a distance) but I can't imagine anyone actually being about to use it... You couldn't read any of the text on the buttons/menus!
Personally I use my desktop machine (With E 0.15 CVS) to run Netscape, x11amp, and a big whack of telnet windows to all of the other local servers, and to those who seem to think you can't do anything productive with E on your system, I've been using it since 0.13 with no problems. Phthtpt!
These must be fake, is that even possible to do? I've got my machine to do about 11.00 load and it was completely unusuable *grin*. I can't even imagine that telnet would work with a 78 load average.
Hehe... nope, they're not fake. I've taken a 16 processor SGI Challenge up to 500 all by myself without the use of fork-bombs. (and promptly got yelled at by the admins) The highest I've hit on a Linux based PC was about 450 or so on a PII-233. Yes, that's the load not the processor speed (this isn't the overclocking discussion!), and no, I didn't need to reboot, I just went for a lunch break and when I came back it was a nice, manageable 50 or so...
50-80 is still nasty, especially if you want to actually do anything (like serve web pages?) but it's not a record. Once somebody hits 4 digits, then I'll boggle.
i got the same errors as many others, but something occured to me: "why not see what the comments are?"... i figured before i started complaining about it, i would see if it was just me that had the problem (quite possible. you'd have to know about how my employer has the link to the 'Net rigged.), or what...
Suggestion for CmdrTaco: please consider putting something on the Post Comment screen to the effect of telling a user (especially those posting anonymously) to read the comments before complaining about a "bad link"... it's annoying to see a couple pages of complaints without ny thought that MAYBE somebody got through (how else to explain the first ten or so posts?!?) or offering an idea or solution.
i wouldn't bother to say much on this thread, if it weren't for the fact that so many complained about "not checking links"... obviously THOSE people didn't look to see if anyone ELSE got there.
_______
When politicians are involved, everyone loses.
Not if they are using E :)
:) ) except for when I tried running Enlightenment--froze dead. At least it had the courtesy of popping up a windoze-style message box informing me that it had just halted my system :(
Im my years of hacking with Linux I have never once had it totally freeze up due to bad user mode code (my kernel hacking experiences are another thing altogether
Stay away from Enlightenment at all costs if you want a real linux system... I'm using WindowMaker right now which is miles faster and more stable.
You're probably right. Never tried telnetting in. The words "Enlightenment has detected a General Protection Fault" only needed to scare me once before I removed the offending software :) It _looks_ nice, so I think I'll wait for a more stable version to come down the pipe :)
Nothing but internal server errors over here, except for the occaisional Forbidden Access.
I love that theme.. Looks cool and uses barely any memory, I have the latest cvs version and with the BeOS it uses about the same amount of memory as WindowMaker does which I have to say is pretty impressive for E.