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Intuit considering Linux Quicken?
SEWilco writes "This CNN story on VA Research mentions that Intuit is looking to port Quicken to Linux. They'll really clean up with that. (Pointed out in LWN Daily , and is a PC Week story, but the link which IDG.net came up with was too messy to submit here) "
Update: 02/06 12:33 by S : Intuit's disputing this claim.
Link from LT.
I don't need Quicken. I use bc.
If I had Quicken for Linux, I could reformat my MSDOS partition as ext2, and recover 500 megabytes of disk space! That would delay my next hard-drive purchase by about a year. In the space of a year, hard-drive capacity will double at the same price. I'll also save one year's worth of electrical power and cooling-fan power. The savings would more than pay for the software.
A no-brainer.
There is a java accounting package called moneydance. I haven't really used it but it looks pretty cool. I don't know that it's open source though.
it's at http://seanreilly.com/java/moneydance/
Let's hope this proves to be true. Linux can't move into the mass market to any significant extent without "brand-name" applications like WordPerfect and Quicken.
Linux just needs a little polish for the novice user (installation, interface, etc.)
If Intuit do port quicken to Linux I wonder how long it would be before Microsoft start bundling Money for free with Windows claiming it is an integral part of the OS? :-)
This is the one item keeping me from running linux all the time at home. Of course, there are kid games that would require some *other* OS. Quicken would be awesome to have on linux.
Can you pay your phone bill with bc?
Can you download your bank transactions with bc?
Can you make a visual representation of your income vs. your spendings using bc?
bc is a fairly strong calculator that can do good math for scientific educational or a few other purposes, but it is not in any way a personal accounting software.
I use Quicken 3 in X with WINE. It's worked great for years.
It looks really cool. But I would really miss the ability to download my transactions and send checks through intuit.
Here is a quicken suggestion and feedback page. For those who would really be interested in buying Quicken for Linux this would be a good way to let Intuit know.
Games and Quicken are the only two things I use Windows for. With Quake III, Civilization III, and Quicken, that might be enough to get me to format my Windows partition out of existence forever (I'm currently dual booting both...)
Is there a place to pre-order it even though it is not available yet?
For that I would even pay!
Quicken and Visio are the only reason I still have Windoze!
you won't have to worry about doing all your finances in 1900, come Jan. of next year ;)
I use (still) Quicken for DOS. Intuit is forever sending me upgrade offers for Quickbooks for another OS whose name I forget. I return the form without a check, but with a polite note on letterhead asking for Quicken for Linux. Believe me, this sends shock waves through the marketing department.
This is something ALL of you should be doing. No matter what software offer you receive, always promptly return it with a note saying you intend to buy and use their wonderful software, you're just waiting for the Linux version.
Those notes go straight to the company prez, so keep it professional.
i like how sun split it up. they have SunOS 5.x (7?); Solaris is the "operating environment". same thing goes for Linux (linux OS, GNU operating environment); Microsoft (DOS OS, Windows operating environment) it's just another case of people taking shortcuts. most people think you can't have one without the other, so they lump it all together. operating systems are one thing; operating environments are added to make the OS useful. that's why unix operating systems ship with hundreds of little utility programs. i expect all those shells, filters, etc. when i do an install, but that's just bloat for most consumers. of course if there were any integrity to what MS was doing with IE, we would have seen Word bundled long before IE. (here comes a gratuitous shot as MS...) everything that MS does is politics and strategy and warfare, with no concern for the cannon fodder, joe public. but according to the commercials on TV microsoft cares about the consumers. i don't care about bundling, but the marketing BS is just sickening.
... is having to reboot to balance my checkbook
When I dicked around with Quicken a few years ago, it looked to me like the app was written in Visual Basic. If that's still the case, that would be one mother of a port...
Quicken would be a good start, but just a start. I also need Quickbooks, and Turbotax (both personal, and corporate). I spend several hundred dollars a year on Turbotax alone. By the time you add up federal, state, personal (1040), and corporate (1120) Turbotax applications, then add an occasional Quicken and Quickbooks upgrade, you end up with a nice chunk of change.
One thing I won't stand for, though, is a half-assed port. like Wordperfect. WP 8 is quite impressive, but the file permissions screwups and no TTF support makes really a bad impression.
...there it goes.
Try to get the Exchange admin to set up forwarding from the server instead of using the Inbox Assistant. This will preserve sender information
In Exchange admin
1. Create an SMTP custom recipient.
2. Set your Exchange mailbox's delivery options to deliver to alternate recipient (The custome recipient from step 1)
3. Hide the SMTP custom recipient so that your address doesn't show up twice in the address list on Exchange.
OK, just in case Intuit is reading this, I'll put in my vote for this too. A Quicken port would be enough to me to switch from the Evil Empire's money manager!
I hope they port a Quickbooks to Linux. I bought it a long time ago and I am running it on Wabi. After upgrading to 2.2.0 kernel, Wabi gives me some warning messages.
I should try to run it under WINE.
I would like to upgrade Quickbooks but I don't want to spend money on Windows software. Money isn't the issue, I'll pay double for Linux version.
... I'm lazy and I want my system to do all my table fiddling and arithmetic for me.. Though I'll still doublecheck it for errors (like the one in TT-NYState last year)..
Sooooo close to being M$ free......
I just returned the postage-paid order form they sent me announcing the next version of Quicken with a quick message saying I don't use Windows but if they ever port Quicken to Linux I would be among the first in line...
I just submitted a "suggestion" at the Intuit Support page that I'd buy two copies of Quicken Deluxe for Linux and I'd be interested in TurboTax for Linux as soon as they are released.
Make some noise, get some support!
OK, I bought it a couple years ago when I didn't know Microsoft from Intuit. I made a bad choice. But it is the one piece of Microsoft software that's never really given me a problem. And hey, I was able to get the startup splash screen for Money on Wine. Anyone else running MS Money? Get it working on Wine (Money 97 that is)
However, my next checkbook/financial program WILL be on Linux. Therefore, since it's not likely that there will be a MSMoney for Linux, if Quicken for Linux comes out, I'll buy it. I'm just hoping I'll be able to port my 2+ years of data from Money to Quicken.
Bob
You're probably right. If they turned off POP/IMAP (these are on by default), then they probably won't be too accommodating to people who want to have their email delivered to another platform.
I don't see what the big deal is. If somebody is smart enough to do things differently and they don't need a ton of help to do it their own way, what's the problem?
I only use windows because I have to run quicken.
WIlling to pay real money to stop this.
Someone should point Quicken Marketing folks to this discussion.
I learned dc first, and I never felt comfortable with bc.
So that's what I use.
To the "can you pay your bills with bc" crowd: lighten up,
this is "ha ha only serious" material.
This would be great. It would also be great to have Quickbooks. I will buy both when they come out.
Its about time Quicken joined in...
> Linux just needs a little polish for the novice
/boot partition a good solution for anything except maybe a temporary install to test a distro or to test a system or something that will not do any actual work. Anyways if you choose a custom install then you are up to partitioning your hard drive yourself ( no builtin help provided ) and choosing your install out of a functional checklist for your first choice ( like X Windows workstation, Printing, Text Processing etc. ) or a couple hundreds of individual packages. OK I have spilled enough dog shit over over RH lets get on with it. Next one in the list would be Debian ( sorry Debian people ). The whole install wouldn't be so bad if it was not for the dselect utility used to hand-pick packages for installations. I have to say that dselect is sooooooooooo ugly that I am not even gonna describe it and this thing alone is enough to make me ( and I am an IT prof. ) give up the install. Next one would be slackware which has installation procedure worse then no installation at all. Again I am sorry if this offends any of the slackware fans I know that you like it the way it is pure, extremely technical, elite and stuff, but as far as UI goes it is worse then most anything I have seen on any OS for any product. When install just for starters drops you into command prompt and tells you to come back when you are done partitioning your hard drive it is not called an installation procedure. This is basically a summary of what I think about linux installation. If RH would incorporate some of Caldera's ideas into their install everybody would benefit and RH would be the first in the list.
> user (installation, interface, etc.)
OK you stepped on a very painful part of my astral body, so I have to launch a powerful ranting attack.
Title: Ravings of a "Linux to Masses" advocate
Installation: I have to say that out of all the distros I have installed ( and I installed I think all the major ones ) the best so far is Caldera. It is well documented it allows you a choice of hardware detection and manual driver ( module ) loading, it allows you a choice of prepackaged and custom installs and so on. If not for the Caldera minuses which I am gonna discuss a little later I would probably choose it as my favourite distribution. The next one goes SuSe install, which is good but UI could use some improvements ( like that module loading part ). The next one would be Red Hat which at this point is my favourite overall distro but install although better then some others is lacking things a regular user expects from a serious installation procedure. Most of the screens lack a help screen. There is no choice of manually loading modules unless the system is completely at loss ( like if it cannot pick you NIC or SCSI adapter al by itself ) the prepackaged installs are only 2 server and workstation and if you choose one of them you loose control over install altogether it will even delete all the existing Linux partitions as it goes. Both of them will partition the free space on your HD ( after deleting whatever Linux it found there ) and I have to say that I don't find making root partition take all the space except swap and a 16 MB
Interface: OK this topic was discussed in much detail over and over again and my opinion is not original in any way. Personally I use WindowMaker without any Desktop Environments ( some would say that WM is a desktop environment in itself ) most of the time and am quite happy with it, but there are a lot of things a moern desktop should do that no standalone window manager is capable of doing. As all of you know there are 2 popular Desktop Environments for Linux ( OK they are not strictly for linux they are for quite a few different OSs but I am talking Linux now ) which are Gnome and KDE ( there are a couple of other projects in the same field, but these two are the most advanced I do not consider CDE because it is not free and/or Open Source ). The main differences ( from the non-technical point of view ) between the two are these: Gnome doesn't bind you to any particular Window Manager. It is supposed to run with any WM there is and it was the strategy of the project from the very start. KDE on the other hand comes with kwm as a Window Manager. As of this moment the last statement is not particularly true for Gnome has incorporated some features that are only available if you use Gnome compliant WM ( WindowMAker and Enlightenment are two examples of such ) and KDE released specs for making a WM KDE compliant so that you can use it instead of kwm ( WindowMaker has KDE support and I heard that BlackBox has it too ). KDE has released a full blown version 1.0 a few months ago and is ready to release 1.1 with a lot of enhancements ( I hope that they fix all those bugs in PR2 ) and Gnome is almost up to version 1.0 although it seems to me ( I am probably wrong it is just my opinion based on my own experience ) that the panel is the only really working part of thewhole thing. Both KDE and Gnome prefer to run compliant application ( KDE-compliant or Gnome-compliant respectfully) but do not have anything ( almost anything ) against running non-compliant apps. KDE is more agressive with non-compliance for it refuses to even attempt to do anything if app is not KDE and I saw a few apps which I had to reconfigure to run them under KDE ( like xemacs was all screwed up after I started it under KDE 1.0 ). Both projects have application registries where one can find the most recent versions of compliant apps. I have to say that KDE is ( in my opinion ) much much more advanced application-wise then Gnome for in Gnome even a nice gmc file manager is so buggy ( although much more cute then kfm ) as to be almost unusable IMHO this is a general trend in gnome vs KDE Gnome is much nicer looking and intuitive out of the box then KDE but most components of Gnome are far to buggy to be really useful. It also seems that Gnome picked Enlightenment as it's Window Manager of choice for Enlightenment configuration panel is in the last versions of Gnome control-center. As of this moment there are no ( AFAIK ) distros which come with Gnome as a default desktop. RH has Gnome as a separate package on it's release CD and user can install it after completing OS install. KDE has made a mistake of basing their system on a proprietory ( not anymore ) widget library Qt, but AFAIK the proble is now resolved. Caldera is installing KDE as part of their standard install and there is a Red Hat clone called Mandrake which basically is the same Red Hat with KDE as the default desktop. SuSe also installes KDE by default but I think you have to switch to KDE after installation is complete.
Interface part 2: The worst part of any linux install ( and I have seen dozens of people who gave up linux altogether after having this experience ) is configuring X server XFree86. There are two configuration programs that come with XFree86 itself and there is a couple of others developed separately. In my experience of installing XFree86 I have never been able to install it so that I do not have to go to XF86Config file with vi or emacs to correct some monitor timings delete out some modes or remove extra vieo settings. The base program is called xf86config and is a question and answer text based utility. In my opinion xf86config is only good for creating the config file basics so that one can go and edit it instead of typing all the stuff by hand, personally I use it to get more monitor timing strings so that I can choose the one that works best. The next one would be XF86Setup which is fairly decent as far as they all go and creates a nice config file where I usually only delete unneeded timing strings to get the refresh rate I want. XF86Setup even runs the monitor tuning program xvidtune after it is done with config so that one can supposedly configure his screen without editing the config file directly. I never had any luck with xvidtune but it might be that I just don't know how to use it. The next would be the Xconfigurator that comes with Red Hat this program is basically supposed to configure everything for you and only ask you questions if it gets stuck somewhere. It creates a very simple config file and the only question it normally asks you is if you want to pick your own BPP/Resoluton combination. The best program for X config I have seen so far is the SuSe's SaX. It is very nice looking program, it creates a decent config file, it has it's own monitor tuning facilities and over all it is the best I have seen. I hope that SuSe made it even better in their 6.0 release. This is one thing I do not quite understand about X is why it is so difficult to configure monitor in it and it is so easy to do in MS Windows ( ohhh shit now I did it now I made myself a target ) I wonder how MS managed to make their system ( I wouldn't callit an OS ) to recognize a monitor basically in an instant and work with it correctly ( except for cases of rare or really old monitors ). If X could do the same thing it would really be a great step in getting Linux on every desktop.
That's enough for now. I have cooled of and if you read this so far I plan to make this shit into a comparative article on different distros and include such things as admin utilities, directory structure etc.
You should leave that linux-unfriendly job and spend weeks doing grueling job searches and undergoing a few dozen get-your-hopes-up-sorry-we-changed-our-mind-at-th
Sheesh. The dude's stuck with M$ shit at work. Most of us are. How about a compromise... Get an el cheapo 486 and run Quicken there.
Rather than sink all of that money into sQuicken tax products, why not just hire an accountant?
The Intuit web designer is an arrogant fucking
:-)
American. I don't live in AmeriKKKa, but their
feedback page *forces* me to choose an American
state, zip code, etc. I hate US-centricisms. I thought the Internet was *global* in scope but Americans often think otherwise. FUCK Y'ALL!
Never mind, the Intuit webmaster is probably an NT user as well.
me too, excepting games... hopefully that'll get remedied as well
this is how smart my bank is: it costs money (not much, but $5 is $5) to do online banking, yet bank-by-phone is free. i spend a huge chunk of time on the phone listening to prerecorded "one thousand three hundred seventy two dollars and sixty nine cents" for a bunch of transactions; in the time it took to say one amount i could have downloaded several months of my checking account history. i'm guessing they have a significant investment in automated phone systems and recurring monthly phone charges which could be a lot lower if i could just check my account over the internet. security be damned. don't tell me it's easier to crack 56 or 128 bit encryption than it is to guess a 4 digit PIN (and know someone's SSN)
/. bank? show me a bank i can believe in...
i'm sick of paying $1-$2 each time i use a cash machine; i use real live tellers instead. it costs me nothing, it costs the bank quite a bit more.
i used to have this checking account (one of those totally free types) that i had $0.40 in for over a year because i was pissed that i couldn't transfer money from that account to another account in the same bank using bank-by-phone. i cleared out as much as i could and just left the rest there, and they just kept sending me statements (at probably $0.25 a pop) until i got bored with it last month.
how about a GNU bank?
I'd prefer an open source solution. Quicken 98 for the Mac is so buggy, it's almost unusable. I doubt they'd put *much* more effort into a Linux version.
Since TurboTax and quicken are sort of "companion applications" anyway, it would be most logical for them to port both.
Polite feedback to them to this effect might be in order.
Foisting non-portable toolkits?
IMHO, every OS toolkit except Java is "non-portable." Every platform has its proprietary or at least specific APIs. Windows, Unix, Amiga, Mac. All entirely different.
Expecting one company to somehow make its APIs conform to other OSes' (which would you choose? Just Linux?) for the sake of "portability," when no one else does, is asking too much, even of Microsoft.
I'll slam M$ as much as the next person, but not for this.
Hey post that code...
Especially if its simple straightforward code (no java Puhleze!). Problem with GNUCash is I can't even install from source, it requires '5'! other packages to even start looking at it.
You've got I say at least 100+ testers right here right now...
jmr
We have Quicken up here in the Great White North. So it is sold in other countries. However the predefined category profiles that it came with (well, I can't speak for current version. I'm on the DOS version from long ago.) had US tax categories. Fairly useless here.
I vary between amused, amazed, and angered when I see Americanisms. For example, in the movie Outbreak, when Dustin Hoffman is demonstrating the
spread of the virus, it stops at the borders! What is that!?! I guess we just have incredible boarder guards.
I am currently using Quicken for Dos. It is an old version, but it works well for my current uses. One feature it lacks, though, is what I would call "hard budgetting". This is what I mean by hard budgetting: If I have allocated $200 for entertainment expenses this month, and I spend $210, I should get an alert box telling me that I have overspent, and I should be forced to the budget screens to adjust the budget. AlsoOf course, any overages/shortfalls should carry over into the next month.
Does GNUCash do this? Does Microsoft Money? Does Quicken? Does anyone?
There are lots of apps that are sold for Linux.
Can I run moneydance with Kaffe? I was trying this last weekend and was getting an error, something about missing a rather vital sounding method. (Sorry, I don't remember the name. I could find out and repost...) I was using the kaffe RPM for redhat; do I need to install any others or should it be self contained?
;)
Or is kaffe not the prefered java VM for linux?
This is my first time trying to run a java program, so I'm open to suggestions.
Thanks for helping me get rid of MSMoney under Wine.
kiowa at mit dot edu
I've wondered whether this would be possible. Is all on-line
banking through the same interface, or does each bank have
its own proprietary system. And do you need to get the
cooperation of the various banks?
If you can pull this off, it will make a lot of us really happy.
This bugs me.. how do you go about joining a credit union? Do you have to work for a company it is associated with?
Companies seem to like having a standard configuration for all their users. When something breaks they can send out their lowly trained team of luser techs to try and assess and fix the situation based on the limited knowledge of the company's standard setup that they have. You can't expect them to go into detail diagnosing a problem with a non-standard configuration because they will always reply the same way.. "if you were using the standard configuration we could help.. but you chose not to so we can't give you support." Ah well.. thankfully Solaris and Unix in general is still very viable at my job. Unfortunately Unix makes up only around 10% of the 4500 workstations out there. :-( It's a Mac and Windows world Toto.
Don't the Moneydance instructions say that Swing is needed? It won't do a thing if it ain't got that Swing. Shuba Dewa Dewa Dewa Dewah...
Is the JDK needed, or is the JRE enough?
Very well, I'll decide this week. Moneydance and GNUCash both look good. I'll try them and send the winner some money. Intuit just lost a sale.
I'll do my taxes on a spreadsheet until there's a Linux tax program. (Actually, I'm also encouraging Congress to use a flat tax...)
'..there is GnuCash...'
No, there isn't.
If it doesn't do online banking, I have zero interest in it.
Care to speculate on the odds of a free and open software project getting the rights to the protocols and information to link up with financial institutions to do online transactions...? How about the odds of them giving the necessary information to an openly and unabashadly socialist community such as the GNU groups? About the same, that being zip, zero, zilch, nada. You can argue that they SHOULD, but in the end, they won't.
Sorry, Quicken is *STILL* a killer app.
(Although if GnuCash included options pricing lookups, it might tempt me to play with it some, but still not seriously.)
ya, but can you do online banking with the major bank branches? because without that, your program is incomplete compared to quicken
if you had a open source code financal manager... wouldnt you be scared of some hacker reverse enginering the software to be able to find passwords to files or to listen on the port the online banking servers connect on?
wouldnt be very a very secure program
See the last two questions in the
flattax.house.gov Q&A
I don't specifically know anything about Intuit's plans re: Linux. It came as a surprise to me. But an equal surprise was a comment about another product in the same denial that was absolutely misleading, if not plain deception (and this I know from first hand knowledge). So perhaps he is intentionally being misleading about both?
Remember, Intuit is very close to Microsoft in many ways. Don't show your cards too early, right?
Intuit agreed to use Internet Explorer in exchange for visibility on Microsoft spaces. News story.
I'm in because my grandmother worked for GE, and the CU's charter stated GE employee's and their family. Family can be aunt/uncle, mom/dad, g-mother/g-father, etc. Others let children of members, etc. It just depends on the charter for each organization. check out www.ncua.org.
I'm in because my grandmother worked for GE, and the CU's charter stated GE employee's and their family. Family can be aunt/uncle, mom/dad, g-mother/g-father, etc. Others let children of members, etc. It just depends on the charter for each organization. check out www.ncua.org.
Make that www.ncua.gov
I don't use Quicken.
I am s/w developer for Unix environment. I use
Linux on my desktop at home and work. Here is
my sad story.
My workplace (and maybe 99% of other work
places too, I suppose) uses MSOffice
so heavily that I am
forced to boot to Windows95 occacionally
at work. Rest of the time I manage with Linux
StarOffice which is a monster bloat, dog slow
and but does a mostly tolerable job of
reading Word/Excel documents. But its an excercise
in masochism to view non-trivial word docs with
Linux StarOffice.
Also, at work, besides sending me 5 MSWord
documents a day, they send me Visio documents
and Microsoft Project documents frequently.
Its hard to deal with them from Linux. Also,
their mail system is Exchange server (with
POP3/IMAP turned off). So I redirect my
emails from Exchage to a Unix server (using
Exchange client's inbox assistant) and pull
the email from the unix box. But Exchange
does not know how to correctly forward emails.
It removes the sender info and replace my
exchange id as the sender. Oh what pain.
The bottomline is using Linux as desktop
in a modern day business work place is
getting impossible. I am managing to hold
on by sheer will because I find Linux
environment simply more productive and I
don't want to be a MS slave.
This could go a *long* way towards Linux becoming credible for desktop OS deployment, IMO.
The three things I hear most-often mentioned when talking to MS-bound people who have a clue is: games, Lotus Notes, and Quicken. (Not necessarily in that order.)
And from Intuit's perspective, this would have several benefits. Cross-platform applications are a sure-fire way to bar the door to Microsoft. And once ported to Linux, ports to other Unixen become child's play. (If done *right*)
Let's hope this is 1) true and 2) actually happens.
CheckFree, which I've used for years and, others' problems notwithstanding, I've been extremely happy with (they've even written letters on my behalf to idiot creditors) sells a web-based service that will work with any bank. There's an enrollment form here. The really cool thing about using CheckFree is being able to sit down once or twice a month and schedule bills to be paid exactly on the due date... no more sending checks early because you don't want to be bothered with it later.
Sorry everyone, Iniut just denied the Linux rumor. Its not going to happen for a while
You may want to try just dialing up with a normal term program like minicom. My bank has an online checking thing, but they only offer the software for Windows/Mac. After a few penetrating phone calls, I finally got that answer. It's got a nice little interface, and I can download my accounts' history and save as a Quicken QIF file.
Go to www.intuit.com, click on WebTurboTax off on the right. You can fill out the information, and file a federal return for like $20. And it's not OS specific. :)
When AOL 5.0 Java comes out, there'll be a huge number of converts. AOL is basically all a lot of people use anyway, so if it's just as easy in Linux as in Windows, that'll be a big incentive for people to at least try it..
I'm all for alternatives. And if yours works, then let it reign supreme.
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
The Linux Community denied rumors today involving demand for Intuit's shitty products on the Linux platform.
"Who would want a port of this shitty windows only program from a company with no clue?" one Linux user was quoted as saying today. "I mean everyone knows that Quicken will be dead in a few years anyways as Microsoft continues its efforts to bundle apps like Microsoft Office and Microsoft Money with its Windows operating system."
Other Linux users were quoted as saying that the lack of a port was actually a good thing. "Such a port would give the false impressions that Quicken would still be around in two or so years. Many Quicken users would end up stuck with an outdated finance program when Intuit (which seems to have only one program that sells well, Quicken) finally goes under."
Linux users are encouraged to look for more viable alternatives such as OpenSource software and the upcoming web-based finance programs that are sure to come.
--- polarbear
Not that a native port wouldn't be a good thing, mind you...
Perhaps you could have a 486 under the desk running Windows (controlled via VNC) to handle those documents.
As for not running IMAP/POP on the mail server... how to they try to justify that? It seems rather unreasorable.
Posted by avjewe:
Take a step back and ask yourself, what is it you really want?
Do you want Quicken for Linux, which would be Closed-Source and, as a binary distribution, only available on a small subset of Linux platforms?
I realize Quicken is the best available product in this category, but is it any good? Is it perhaps too slow, too expensive, too buggy and too inflexible?
Perhaps a better idea would be an Open Source solution, that does a few more things right.
I've got version 0.1 done already, although it's not posted anywhere yet.
Version 0.2 is defined as "good enough for me to finally stop using Quicken" and should be ready Real Soom Now.
Comments? Question? Requests?
Posted by dcantey:
I just might ballance my check book again.
Yeah, what he said. Tax Software is something that, much as I love Open Source, will never be developed that way--I can't see anybody, least of a all a good hacker, wanting to keep up with all the tax law changes year by year without a per-copy profit incentive.
-Doug
This is the only program I have for that other OS.
And I like Java...as a programming language. But, with the current state of runtime environments, I think it's just too sluggish for large programs.
I want a Linux Quicken that is done in C/C++ with Qt or Gtk, or even Motif, but I don't want a Java version, unless there are some very rapid improvements in the runtime environments, or a good way to compile programs written in Java into a native binary instead of bytecodes.
Also, there is already a Java home finance program called moneydance. I don't know the URL, though.
OpenBSD, alpha, netbsd Mips, solaris Sparc, linux PPC, FreeBSD x86, etc ports too. Not everyone is only a strict x86 diet, I switch back and forth often. I wish there was a (secure enoguh that I'd trust it) web based program so that I could get at it from everywhere.
Java solves a lot of problems. Yes it is slow, but I'd rather do my owrk in a slow enviromentthen be stoped.
Then I'd be down to three apps that I'd need windows for:
Matrox Remote (video digitizing)
Age of Empires (probably until Civ3 Linux)
StarCraft (don't use it much anyway)
nifty. 8)
http://slashdot.org/articles/98 /11/26/1145212.shtml
So Intuit has denied the rumor because they don't see enough customer interest.
l
:)
Show them customer interest! Go to
http://altserv.intuit.com/orien/qkn_enhance.htm
and write a nice friendly note indicating that you'd LOVE to see a Quicken port to Linux (or an entirely web-based version) so you can get rid of Windows on your machine once and for all.
(For those of you who don't like commercial software or Intuit, _don't_ write and, instead, help out GNUCash.
Adam
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Quicken and Games are the ONLY reasons that I keep windows 95 around. As soon as I'm satisfied with a Linux money manager and Linux games are consistently released I'm MS OS FREE!
I might even be able to buy the hardware for my next system without Windbloze pre-installed. That will truely be a day to celebrate.
-Derek
Jesus fucking Christ on a crutch, people!
Even assuming that they harvest against your will and use the marketing info in exchange for the bad will that inevitably causes, how inconvenient is it for you to delete unwanted emails from your inbox and pitch out unwanted junk mail at your snail mail box?
From the reactions, you'd think that these people were threatening pull out all your teeth without painkillers.
What part of "A well regulated militia" do you not understand?
People like me, who end up going over to a relative's house every other day (literally) to fix AOL-related problems, would KILL to have this become reality.
AOL is slow because of their network, so the software speed doesn't matter a whole lot.
And, you gotta admit, being able to type killall -9 aol would rock.
I was surprised.
Microsoft bundling stuff with Windows doesn't affect Linux. In fact, it'll help it, because whenever MS bundles one of their apps with Windows, it'll encourage the competitors to make their apps for another OS...say....Linux. =)
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Aaron Gaudio
"The fool finds ignorance all around him.
"Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, Memento Mori
cbb is a decent little check book balancer. Works fine for me.
It's a shame there's so much legacy Windows code out there; it's downright obscene that Microsoft is deliberately encouraging its development by foisting non-portable toolkits like MFC and Visual Basic.
ISV's need to get into the mindset that any future development should be done in a portable way. There are plenty of good tools out there for doing so. Java is one, wxWindows is another, even Qt would be better than something Windows-only.
Writing retargetable code isn't difficult; it merely takes some foresight and some careful planning.
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Bank of america has this too. When my wife wanted :-) BOA was set up so you could use
to do online banking, I started looking for a way
to do it w/o having to install windows on our
computer. Most banks required custom windows
software
a browser, but I was worried because they dont
have offices in North Carolina. That turned out
not to be a problem. They even have 24 hour
phone service for homebanking customers which is
a lot better than I would get with local banks.
My wife loves it and we are still windows free.
Hopefully North Carolina National Bank (oops I
mean NationsBank) wont break this now that they
have merged with BOA. I have a cousin who works
at NationsBank and she says they know that BOA's
online banking was better than theirs, so I am
hopeful that things will stay good.
If anyone is interested, you can get more info at:
http://www.bankofamerica.com/online/home.html
Jim
I think I support my bank singlehandedly with overdrafts and mindless spending.
Perhaps we can get id and intuit to make a game called "Quaken." You could run around a virtual bank blasting creditors with a sawed-off shotgun. Sounds cathartic, no?
JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
I have a checking account at Security First Network Bank, and it's really nice being able to access my account from any browser any time. The only "feature" I don't like is that physical deposits have to go in by snail mail, and there is no email announcing when they get it, or when it clears, so you have to check periodically. But electronic deposit works fine, and they have an ATM card which has no charges at grocery stores, gas stations, etc.
I tried other banks which claim to have online banking, but they require their custom software, Lose95/Mac only of course. I wouldn't dream of being tied down to my home computer any more.
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Infuriate left and right
How hard could it be to port Quicken to Java?
....
They could run it on any operating system, and
even (legally) include the jre's along on
the CD.
Or maybe someone should start an open-source
project to create a home accounting package
in Java
-- Craig Miller Austin, TX
As much as I depend on Quicken and would have a
hard time living w/o it, I find it to be very slow.
A Java version wouldn't be much slower.
-- Craig Miller Austin, TX
Last time I checked, Quicken's on-line banking was
nothing more than an interface to Checkfree. Why
not ask Moneydance for the same?
I agree - any serious program needs to interface
to Checkfree and other on-line services.
I got burned by Checkfree a few years back and
gave it up, so I haven't looked into online
banking for a while.
-- Craig Miller Austin, TX
Intuit hinted at this several months ago, in fact around the same time GNUcash was looking for a new site.
So, ok, there's no Quicken port. BUT...
As pointed out, there is GnuCash, which I guess is an open source quicken-like project.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
They routinely drop support of the Mac, and their CEO still sits (I think) on the Apple Board of Directors. Prediction: they port their crappy software to Linux, whine about low sales and high support costs (no offense to Linux, the cost of the CD burn will be too high), then drop the software in favor of Win2002.
Sadly, it will legitimize the OS.
Notice that the lowest quality software always legitmizes an OS. E.g. MacOS now has Office 98! Linux now has Quicken! More hacked-together-in-a-month first-person-shoot-outs for the Mac! People will be complaining about the lack of virii for Linux soon.
Sorry if I sound bitter. I use Intuit software at work.
I first installed Linux three months ago. Over that time, I have replaced every single windows app with an open source, faster, better one for Linux. All but one, Quicken. I have high hopes for GNUmoney, but it just isn't ready yet (hello....get to work on the gtk version!). If this happens, I forsee many machines going to pure Linux (or maybe Linux/DOS for games). It seems that Quicken is the missing program for many of us.
Quicken would bring more interest from the "average" home user. Most people (without kids and geeks in the house) seem to use computers mostly for actual work. They type stuff, read e-mail, surf the web, and do their books on the machine. Linux is good at all of these things. And with a name like Quicken, it's only going to make Linux look better. (Plus, the security of Linux can be used to help bring people in who are worried about keeping finacial data on a machine they don't totaly understand. This could be a sort of "killer app", in a sense...)
Hexy - a strategy game for iPhone/iPod Touch
I said "mostly" use thier computers for work. There's no rule that says I have to follow that with a sentence of ONLY work-releated things... :-)
The people I'm talking about have mechanical jobs or factory jobs, etc. They don't use computers as part of thier job. I'm talking about using it to find information, store records, and help them pay taxes. Most of us probably do all those things too, but we also like to hack, tweak, play games, build, modify, etc. The "average" person doesn't do/know/have-a-clue about that stuff. As far as I'm concerned, the stuff they do with computers is "actual work"--I just have fun with mine.
Hexy - a strategy game for iPhone/iPod Touch
Now THAT is hard-core dedication! The only way to be more self-sufficient is to roll your own assembly code. :)
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
I'd love to have some financial software for Linux. They should port TurboTax while they're at it...
Where do I get it. Message to Quicken, You have a insant customer when your port is done :)!
-Master Switch, one more element in the machine
While the other folks are participating in the bogus message flame wars the real news is here. When enough average user apps are ported to Linux, the move will really be on.
My other Slashdot ID is much lower.
It's one of the only reasons I still boot into windoze. This made my day :)
This would be THE SHIT. I am a geek. My wife is not. We have years of legacy data in Quicken (and Word...) I knew I had a good chance on the Word, Excel stuff with StarOffice or KOffice, but slim chance on Quicken. If they release this (and it uses the same file format), I can run Linux only on my PC (now dual-boot to WinNT) and she can run Win95 on hers. Woohoo! Go Intuit!
Jason Dufair
"Those who know don't have the words to tell
Jason Dufair
"Those who know don't have the words to tell
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We all know that Linux is free, as well as linux appliications. Will Quicken change that? Will Intuit SELL Quicken for linux and start the chain of non-freeware linux software? OR will they make it free.. just a thought...
-shaft
I like Quicken, and haven't tried the Gnu money
program yet. So, besides for games, I'll have
no need to use an OS I have to pay for.
Maybe now I'll finally upgrade from QFW 1.01.
:-)