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Linux-Mandrake 5.3
Jacques Le Marois wrote
in to plug Linux Mandrake
which has just released v5.3 of their self dubbed
"User-Friendly Linux Distribution". Probably best
described as "Red Hat, KDE and some other nifty
stuff".
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When is xfree86 or redhat going to release a version that supports the RIVA TNT? I sorta ended up having to by that card (not a bad card by any means, but its not supported) and its awful having to run in 640x480x16 colors with a card like that. I've found myself booting windows more, just because the screen looks so much better.
KDE 1.1 still has Tetris! They just renamed it. I don't remember what it's called, but go to the games menu in KWM and select the icon that looks like tetris.
I also thought that tetris was missing at first. Needless to say, I was quite distressed.
Upgrade to a newer modutils package (.121 instead of .85). You can find it on RedHat contribs sites.
Get the RPMs from RedHat. XFree86-3.3.3.1 dated in January.
Well, contact Riva and tell them to release specs.
Try setting up your card as a frame buffer device. It's fast, easy, and will run on any VESA 2 card.
Go to http://www.suse.com and get the xfree
Riva drivers by SuSE and the xf86config, it will work with your redhat stuff (provided you can handle something thats not an rpm). SuSE is a real inovator, I wish all redhat users and lamers alike would try SuSE or some other real distro out there, as Redhat is such low quality.
www.xfree86.org
i dislike people like you
AFAIR they had to rename it due to possible trademark infringements. It's now called "ksirtet".
I've personally seen the RIVA TNT running at 1600x1200 at 32bpp with the XF86_SVGA server.
What is the name of the mpeg player shown in the first pic on the screenshots page? The UI looks better than MpegTV.
Finally, a distribution that combines the best of both worlds! I'm reformatting and ditching Red Hat to get this baby.
Maybe i'm just being blind, but i cannot seem to find a download site for this. The download link from the homepage simply brings up a link saying the mirrors are being updated. Can anybody help?
You can get the iso image file for Mandrake 5.3
from Linuxburg's ftp site...3 x T3's...
616meg one file...gotta love it....
I downloaded the ISO image, burned the CD, and installed it a few days ago.
It is version 5.3 (Festen). However its KDE is version 1.1pre2 not 1.1 proper. Now, that image is no longer on the ftp site.
Did Mandrake upgrade the content of the distribution without changing the version number? If you download the stuff now from linuxberg, it is the same version like the one I have, without KDE 1.1 or kernel 2.2.
On a another note,
This is an insanely perfect distribution. A pleasure to use.
Let's take a vote!
Georgia Tech has it on one of their FTP sites. Check out ftp://canine.resnet.gatech.edu/ and download there.
1- Yes
2- Yes
3- Yes
:)
I use mandrake 5.2 at work and at home and I really like it.
And I really like it.
Installed 5.3 some day ago on a laptop, a very clean and nice install, everything just worked
Red Hat is doing a very nice job putting together a distro, but sometimes you can't spend 14 days configuring X/sound/whatever, linux mandrake takes care of that in a very nice way.
My cow-orkers are somewhat impressed by what they have seen of linux when watching me install mandrake
too bad redhat didn't think of this first. If they did, redhat would really kill windows.
Yes, you can upgrade a RedHat with Mandrake... Mandrake also includes all RedHat native packages, and more (of course!) :-))
>Red Hat is doing a very nice job putting
>together a distro, but sometimes you can't spend
>14 days configuring X/sound/whatever, linux
>mandrake takes care of that in a very nice way.
Pretty much the same way that RH5.x does.
Except for the more current version of
Xfree, there's not much difference in that
respect.
Erm... that'll be redhat 6.0 :)
by the way... silly flame-bait with all the weenies round here, dude!
Cheers
AndyM
KDE 1.1 or 1.0?
Hullo, my name is HAL, your friendly installer, which Desktop do you want?
Gnome
KDE
GnuStep
None
>......
Very well, and which Window Manager do you want?
Window Maker
Enlightenment
LessTif
AfterStep
BlackBox
KWM
FVWM95
more
>.......
Mmmh, good choice, now, do you have preference for
a theme? I have here these 200 different themes for you to chose...
>......
Very well, congratulations, your installation is complete, you can start working now! Bye!
Hullo, my name is Linux!
username: root
password: stairway2heaven
Has anyone gotten the 2.2.1 kernel supplied with Mandrake to work? Can anybody point me to a mirror site that is currently up? I need something fun to do this weekend, like reformat a hard drive that currently has Win95 on it and install Linux...
Looks like aKtion to me...check it out at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/3864/ aktion.html
post the entire err output msg to the appropriate comp.os.linux.* newsfroup, and see who else has had that error..
I had many errors and gotchas on two totally different 2.2.1 installs (laptop w/pcmcia, server w/UW-SCSI), but was able to get it working fine on both. And they're both based on an FTP'd install of RH5.2.
I thougth the Mandrake name was copyrighted by some comics syndicate.
Are binary RPMS actually available yet? I keep going to ftp.kde.org and finding the rpm folder under RH5.x empty. What's the deal?
Between a Desktop and a Window Manager?
Well shut my mouth.. jes installed viper 550 agp running at 32 bpp. It's as purdy as a picture! And faster than a scalded dawg...
just go to http://cle.linux.org.tw
then you'll find a RedHat with Chinese sys.
All the European sites have a version of Mandrake iso named: Mandrake5_3-2.iso which is about 577MB. While the N. American sites have a version called: Mandrake53-1.iso, which is about 630MB. What is the difference between the two??
Just another copy of RedHat + KDE. Can't people undestand that installing KDE on redhat consists of simply fetching about 5 files from ftp.kde.org and running rpm -Uvh on them?
The new distro (currently mirrored) came with KDE1.1 final
I am interested in installing either Mandrake 5.3 or Suse 6.0 on a laptop(Tecra 500). I would like the easiest installation of the two. Please keep in mind that I am new to Linux and since you have installed both, maybe you could reccommend one over the other. Thanks!
The newest version (Mandrake 5.3-2) is 559179776 bytes (they took away the sources (SRPMS)). Get it from the University in Oslo ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/
- Magnus
Yes it is this easy.
It should be there by default.
Redhat is not including KDE fro political reasons.
That is why people are switching.
OK, I can get to it from netscape,
but I want to dl out of Xwindows, cause,
X+netscape died, downloading this last night.
but ftp ftp.linuxburg.org gives:
anonymous user unknown.
Just look at GNOME gmc, and then look at KDE's kfm and DiskNavigator. Now make a decision based on usability and stability. You are making a step back when switching from KDE to GNOME right now.
Known bugs ? It has, but no more than any other
open source software release.
And a _lot_ less than 1.1pre2.
See http://bugs.kde.org for known bugs...
Anyone who used a previous version of KDE and played tetris should, after upgrading to 1.1, just go to the games menu and be able to spot the same icon for tetris, but now called ksirtet (actually, in my menu it says "sirtet", but program's name is ksirtet). Seems to me that such a person (just as I did) would think, "hmm, what's that game with the tetris-like icon?" and TRY IT before moaning that KDE took tetris away. Same game is there. I heard a while back that the copyright owners of the original tetris were getting aggressive about infringement by clones of the "falling blocks" game using the name tetris.
"Moral grounds on the license"? Did you ever actually read KDE's license? It's free software just like your beloved Gnome, except that it actually works.
I firmly believe that everybody should be taught about FTP in grade school --and only a conspiracy of shrink-wrapped software companies could be preventing this from already being the case!
I'm not a geek, and a few months ago, I was investigating Mandrake as a cure for my desktoplessness. I applaud them for doing what RedHat should be doing --making a usable Linux desktop available --at a click of a button--to lamerz like myself. However, I have found that installing KDE by binary rpm is very easy to do, and if I can do it, anybody can. A README for doing this would be a useful, welcome adddition to any Linux distro that does not bundle KDE.
RedHat would like to see GNOME developed to the point where it can be installed by default (as FVWM is now) --they're totally w/in their rights to do both of these. But I believe the painful noises you hear on comp.os.linux.setup and other newbie watering holes would simmer down a lot if instructions for getting and installing KDE were included.
Once a newbie has dl'ed a package like KDE and installed it they want *more* and become FTP junkies!
Well, aren't there more KDE applications than just those few in the five kde packages?
this is why linus doesn't beat windows, cause all you nerd llosers just install software all the time. why don'y you get outside and get some fresh air instead of just sitting there in front of your computers installing things.
Um, once gnome actually is advanced enough, isn't that what redhat is going to to?
Redhat 5.x already did this. Mandrake is just adding a few updates (the benefit of being newer, not necessarily different) and KDE.
KDE is NOT necessary for Unix accessability. That's just stupid KFUD. Although bundling a better filemangler is something the Hatters should do.
Mandrake is a convenience meta-distribution built on what someone else has done. While the convenience aspect & competition pressure is nice, you all are giving them more credit than they really deserve & not giving the Hatters enough.
Of course RH5.2 didn't have kernel 2.2.1 in it; it wasn't done then. However, Mandrake benefits from the fact that the new kernel can be dropped right into RH5.2.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
...should still be there, named ksirtet.
:-)
BTW: try kshisen-so
My mirror is up! check out my site. Er, not that one.... this one!
Look in QT. There is a full blown tetris there for your playing plesure :).
/usr/local/qt/examples/tetrix
Probebly why the KDE crew didn't bother.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
foundit on a random FTP mirror and didn't even know what it was...couldn't find mention of a version 5.3 anywhere. So OF COURSE I installed it... I'm rather pleased with it, except that KDE 1.1 no longer has Tetris in it, which is about the only game that I ever played. It seems considerably faster than when I ran Mandrake 5.1 . And KDE is nice to have, but Window Maker is far better than KWM...
--Lenny
Yes, you are correct. Very good. I poked around /opt/kde/bin and found some game that was tetris-like (though no fun at all) and I just assumed that that was their replacement for the old Tetris.
I suppose I should load KWM and see what all is in the new menu...I've just been running K apps from Window Maker.
--Lenny
as soon as you stop whining and write the driver
yourself, you lazy idiot.
Next time, check the documentation to see whether
the card you're buying is supported. It's not
that hard.
> Either ignore him or at least try to put some effort into posting a
> reply worth the time it takes to read it.
Why should I put any effort into my post? (S)He
apparently didn't.
I'll ignore it when (s)he stops posting off-topic
comments.
> Perhaps you speak of yourself?
Good one, AC.
Good-bye Red Hat. Helloooo Mandrake. I think I'm in love.
Can I upgrade a standard redhat 5.2 box to
Mandrake Linux 5.3?
The TNT has been supported since XFree86 version 3.3.3. It was written and donated by Nvidia for your x-windowing pleasure. It's not yet included in a RedHat distribution, but it is available on rawhide.redhat.com in RPM packages.
My Chinese wife installed Mandrake 5.2 (in English) on her computer by herself acouple of days ago, no problem. She has yet to be able to do a successful Chinese Windows install.
The point I was trying to make was that even an inexperienced, non-native English speaker can install Mandrake easier and faster than Windows 95/98/NT4,in whatever language.
Col. Mandrake (RAF) don't need no copyright!! You mess with him and he'll deny you his essence.....
Well.. using a TNT w/XFree86 is a snap.. just download the XFree86 3.3.3 (I Think that's the latest version #) RPMS from the RedHat 5.2 list... do an rpm -Uvh XF*.rpm, run XF86Config.. and away you go :o) I'm running it at 800x600x32Bit Colour, because of my damned 15" monitor........ now if I coulda snagged one of those $165 19" Hitachis...... *drool*
Watch what RPMs you're using, buddy. Stuff from rawhide (and maybe other places) won't work since they are compiled against a different libc.
/usr/src/redhat/SPECS ../RPMS/
/usr/local choas that will eventually ensue ). Aspiring admins of Linux boxes would do their sucessors well by studying up and _using_ the packaging systems.
When the linker tries to resolve the symbol for the libc it was compiled against, it looks for __bzero. Which isn't there.
Your best bet is to download source rpms of the packages that are giving you the errors and then do a:
rpm -Uvh ***.src.rpm
cd
rpm -bb ***.spec
cd
rpm -Uvh ***..rpm
To build the packages yourself ( ensuring binary compatibility).
In fact, using src rpms gives you all the flexibilty of a tar.gz build ( via modifying the spec file ) while retaining all the nifty rpm stuff ( package integrity verification, no
I have no idea about the answer, but I'm going to try it tonight most likely. I'm coming up from a redhat5.1 though.. My system isn't too hard to config from scratch, all my work is in one dir, so I can just back that up, and install and see what happens... If worse comes to worse, I'll just Fdisk and start over.
Slashdot is like Playboy: I read it for the articles
On the screenshots section of the Mandrake site, there is a screenshot of Netscape 4.5 viewing the Slashdot news page. More ego for Rob.
"I'd like to live in theory, because everything works in theory, in theory." - Can't remember who said this.
If only there was a distro like this but instead installing GNOME by default. That would be heaven heh.
I'd like to know what really puzzles so many people about the 2.2.1 kernel on RedHat / Mandrake 5.2. I myself upgraded the kernel and have had no particular problem to do this.
I've been running Mandrake 5.2 now for a little more than a month -- without it I'd still be 100% Windows. Now I'm about a 10% Windows user. Definitely worth it. I just pre-ordered it from CheapBytes who say they should have it available next week sometime. Definitely worth it if your connection doesn't allow you to download it. -Augie
This notebook has some tricks to getting linux on it but RH/Mandrake installed simply and even worked with the NeoMagic ZV video chip. My DVD drive is working nicely too. Now if I could just find those drivers for the Margi card...
Adults are obsolete children. - Dr. Seuss
I've heard that Mandrake is 100% compatible with
Redhat. Does that mean that I can "upgrade" a RedHat 5.2 system (which I just installed about a week ago) to Mandrake 5.3 easily? If so, how? Just boot the CD and choose "upgrade"? Also does Mandrake 5.3 include *all* of the packages that Redhat 5.2 does? I don't want to lose any functionality if I choose to install it on another
box instead of RH 5.2. Thanks in advance,
--Skeezix
Celebrate the finer things in life
I just upgraded SuSE 5.3 to SuSE 6.0, with an i386 2.2.1 kernel that I cooked up on my RedHat 5.2 system. I am running out of computers to install linux on. I need a computer for each distro. Lets see, one for Debian, one for RedHat, one for SuSE, one for Yellow Dog(PPC distro), one for This distro, one for Caldera, Hmmm, I need a SGI to install the MIPS distro, oh and a Sun for the SPARC distros. Hmmmm, oh yeah, I need a DEC MicroVAX 3100 for the VAX distro. Oh, don't forget the strong arm, and mc68k, oh and I heard someone was doing an Intel I960 port. Man, ya just gotta love Linux.
-Master Switch, one more element in the machine
Did you try ksirtet ;-)
I don't know if Mandrake is copyrightedd, but I know that there's a MUD server in Finland (mandrake.cs.hut.fi:4000) who bears that name.
... Elecance is left to the implementors.
Ditto slothbait's
I d'ld the ISO for this 'round about Monday or so.
Used a bunch of the RPMS to upgrade parts of my
RH 5.2 setup.
Although trying to implement the 2.2.1 kernel
included *still* broke something....so how *do* I fix the undefined __bzero thing anyway!!!
Blech. Signatures.
Actually there is something you can get called Metro-X for the XFree86 which adds support for lots of new cards.. I don't think They offer anything for we who use AGP ;)
Check out their website at www.metrolink.com
latest version is 4.3
and grab it (downloading myself as we speak!).
Bryan R.
Bryan R.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
For one thing, it is nice to have everything on one CD, especially if you need to install on more than one machine. For another, it is a lot more than just KDE (preconfigured as the default desktop). Mandrake includes the latest XFree86 3.3.3.1, the latest kernel (2.2.1), the latest RedHat fixes, a bunch of additional KDE apps and big extras such as XEmacs and Wine. If you are installing on a fresh machine, it saves a lot of hassle. You could have answered your own question by reading the Mandrake announcement.
man, do you know the difference between a kit and a kid?
there may be support for the TNT but xfree86 still does not work with my Elsa Erazor II (frame buffer device also does not seem to work). the only thing i can think of is that the SGRAM is causing the problem