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Caldera/SuSE/Stampede Announce 2.2.x Based Distribution
Surplus Baggage writes "Caldera is planning to release the beta of OpenLinux 2.2 at Novell's BrainShare conference. It's the first distro to be based on a 2.2.x kernel. ZDNet has the story. " I've been reminded by people that Stampede has the first 2.2 out. As well, SuSE 6.1, out in a couple days will have a 2.2 based distrib. /me slaps own face.
you are correct... I guess Caldera thinks they exist only amidst a handful of distributions such as redhat, suse, and slackware... yeah, ok!
But is Pain based on kernel 2.2.x?
I don't think they said they were the first, so it's not some rush for 2.2.x related publicity. Well, not too bad. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Debian Slink had the honor of that.
-jeff
Thats how it is with the Boys from Utah! Always putting out great press (anyone use Novel any more?) and always saying it will be great.
No wonder their new distro is being released at Novel Brainshare; nobody attending matters
Now they could have announced it at LinuxWorld, but they have to suck up to Noorda and Novel. Probably the only people that take them seriously.
uhhhhh....mtv sucks and so do people who write stuff like this
Uhm, I was wrong, they did claim to be the first 2.2.x distro. Bad caldera, bad! Debian was there first w/ 2.1 (slink). Debian is more fun anyhoo (IMHO).
I, for one (only one?) do enjoy the OpenLinux distribution from Caldera the best and have been eagerly anticipating a 2.2.X release as well as glibc support for many, many months now.
I only wish Caldera would more actively advertise their future plans so us COL-loyalists could stay informed.
Yeah! There had to be one.
Caldera user here. Their new install app looks great!
They said that they will show a BETA version of their 2.2.x based distribution. So what? Debian 2.1 includes the source package for Linux 2.2.x just for a case you want to install it. By the time they release their "BETA" the, Debian beta distribution (v 2.2 named potato) will probably include Kernel 2.2 as well. It already includes Glibc 2.1.
And I will laugh loud at Caldera when RedHat releases their Linux 2.2.x based distribution before Caldera.
SuSE 6.0 includes KDE 1.0 --> 1.1 is considerably faster :-)
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Mandrake released some kernel 2.2.3-1 last week. And its CD includes the 2.2.1 kernel.
how about that?
Redhat has no distro with the 2.2 kernel, they may, like SuSE 6.0 have a 2.1 pre kernel, but none of their RELEAES have one
For one its not buggy as hell (direct hit at redhat the bug king)
Hey, Clueless,
They *did* announce it at LinuxWorld... They even demo'd the installation.
How can you speak if you weren't even there? (Obviously you weren't, otherwise you would have known.)
They have not released anything 2.2 related other than some updated RPMs on their FTP site. So has Caldera, so has all the others that I know of.
Oh how easily people forget that it was my distribution, "Coward Linux" that released 2.2.0 first, not Stampede. I beat them by a few hours too! Yeah I know nobody actually downloaded my distribution but hey, first is first is first.
Damn it! I just downloaded SuSE 6.0 a couple days ago (because I was sick of Slackware not working) and now there is 6.1? That's the thing about Linux: The day after you download something a new version is released.
>And I will laugh loud at Caldera when RedHat releases their Linux 2.2.x based distribution before Caldera.
You're assuming that they're going to get Gnome fixed in the next six months?
The unstable version of Debian will be released with a 2.2 kernel ang glibc2.1, sometime this summer (hopefully).
And I'm running 2.2.3 and glibc2.1 and its great.
"it shouldn't be long though before new Linux releases will be joined with independent hardware
announcements of Linux compatibility. "
This I like. Maybe we can stop flooding the newsgroups with "What's the best modem/video/sound card, and how do I get it to work.
teasea
I know that must be a pain in the ass. But since I downloaded SuSe 6.0 (all 2.5GB of it) on modem, I pretty much decided to upgrade all packages by hand now with updates from SuSe's ftp site.
Is there an Alpha port for Pain?
Hey,
MTV = music and media for mush-minds.
You might have better luck with windows users.
ftp://rawhide.redhat.com/
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/starbuck/
Can I run Pain on my ALPHA box?
I've a 21164 running kernel 2.0.36.
Is Pain Open Source? Am I free to modify any part of their video code? If it aspires to Mud T.V., then I expect that I'll have to digitally alter their images and noise in order to obtain something I like.
It's still a great distro, despite the 2.0.36 kernel. Some minor bugs. The install goes a little easier if you know a little german.
Those URLs do not contain any RELEASES that have 2.2 kernels. They are there for testing purposes. If you're going to count that, then hell, ALL distributions had 2.2 kernels as soon as kernel.org had them available.
Mandrake is updated RedHat
Yes, the next version of OpenLinux (by all accounts I've seen/read) will be 100% glibc 2.1 based.
This is Linux, right? Get 2.2.x and compile it, then run it on your computer. Last time I installed Linux on my computer was three years ago and distributions was Slackware-3.0. I am constantly upgrading it along with hardware. The only piece of hardware that could survive from that original computer is the old SoundBlaster16. That Linux is not even on the same harddisk anymore. OS is now with kernel 2.2.3, glibc 2.1, egcs 1.1.2 Who cares which distribution comes with 2.2 first. Get any of them, shape it in the way you want.
mush minds = no $$
no $$ = no food
I was planning to give SuSe a go a few days ago, but was rather chocked when I read the licence acompanying the yast, which seems to be the central tool of their distribution:
It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have
been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior
written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the
YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or
in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require
the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH.
At least RedHat has been releasing all of their software under a really free ((L)GPL) licence.
Hello? I've been running 2.2.x on Debian for a few months now (some of the prereleases). If we're counting BETAs then Debian has it, if we're counting stable then it's totally ready ... I'm running many servers totally based on the stable distro (2.1 aka slink) with the 2.2 kernels.
It bothers me that the free (and IMO best) distro is consistantly ignored.
Why not get a subscription from SuSE. It's very cool. If I understood correctly they will send you updates (new versions etc...) for a year.
-------------------------------------------- It looks just like a Telefunken U-47! -Frank Zappa
See! Lookie!
;-)
http://www.suse.com/Order/subscribe.html
very nice
-------------------------------------------- It looks just like a Telefunken U-47! -Frank Zappa
Posted by Art Pepper:
From http://www.debian.org:
Debian version 2.1 (Nickname: slink)
released - 9 March 1999
-X 3.3.2.3a
-Linux kernel 2.0.36 (a source package for 2.2.1 is included)
-Apt (part 1), the new backend to dselect for easy net package retrieval
-Apt (part 2), the new commandline for intellegent upgrades/installs
-first public release for sparc and alpha architectures
Posted by Forward The Light Brigade:
that would be great EXCEPT you see Debian has this nice page that lists the INCOMPATIBILIES between slink and 2.2.x
they ship with 2.0.36
Stampede was the first distro out with 2.2.x
*I am running deb 2.1 In a few days I will be running Stampede 0.89*
Posted by Forward The Light Brigade:
there is apparently some beta RH release that they are calling starbucks....
anyone heard of it?
And it's a 250MHz StrongARM RISC in the "car radio" form-factor, running the 2.2.1 kernel -- so I'm on-topic, Rob :-) -- with a Python UI.
"My opinions are my own, and I've got *lots* of them!"
The real MEEPT!! did one act plays and dialogues.
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It's not like Caldera's is a RELEASE... and RedHat's beta also includes glibc 2.1 to get the most out of 2.2... does Caldera's??
Red Hat 5.9 Starbuck. No 's'. Matt
Upgrading the 6.0 to run with 2.2.2 (yeah, yeah, 2.2.2 was the latest back then) was a doddle.
Overall, SuSE rocks.
Stampede actually made it out the door first with a 2.2 binary. This Sm@rt Reseller article, as first reprinted in PC Week and ZDNet, left off the all important 'deck' line which stated:
The early _reseller_ Linux leader is Caldera by a beta.
Which puts the story into its proper context. It's since has been corrected.
Steven, Senior Technology Editor, S@R
we all know Stampede then Debian were the first but has anyone heard/read/thought/concived of when a new distro of slack with the 2.2.X will be released?
Zeek T. Morbid
This was only the test.
Their webpage says the distro is still in beta.
also there german page say this
"SuSE Linux 6.1 - mit Kernel 2.2.3, KDE 1.1 und GNOME 1.0. Lieferbar ab 12. April 1999.
The international version of SuSE Linux 6.1 will be released in May 1999."
I am now testing Suse 6.0 with 2.2.0-pre7 which came with the distro but i will soon to be at 2.2.3 as soon as i compile it. One thing that i do not like is they give you afterstop 1.0 that sucks afterstep 1.6 was stable public for 3 months or so and i do not like the speed of KDE its to slooowwww..
--
Joshua Curtis
Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
I just bought it one week ago now i see that 6.1 is going to be out(Now like SUSE6.0 better than RH5.1) I am going to see if i can get them to send me a new cd or I just will order one from cheepbytes.
--
Joshua Curtis
Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
Try CeBit
send + more == money?
Where can I find an MP3 player for my car?
Ho! Ho!
MEEPT!!
Anyone know when RedHat will have a 2.2.x dist?
The media already has a migraine thinking about free software. The only way they can prevent total confusion is to focus on the commercial aspects of the Linux movement.
If the media were ever to grasp the concept of a free distribution as well, their heads would explode.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Just a vicious rumor, if I could remember where I saw it I'd post a link. Kernel 2.2 and glibc 2.1 are destined for the Slackware 4.0 release. Date was September-ish I think. Independent verification, anyone?
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
Do you realize what all needs to be upgraded on a stock Slackware install (even 3.5 or 3.6) just to compile the kernel without errors? Being able to install the new kernel out of the box without having to play "musical upgrade chairs" is nice.
:-)
That said I'm waiting for Slackware 4.0 at which time I'll reinstall and go 2.2.x only (or not). Right now my modded Slackware 3.1 setup now running 2.0.36 works so I'm not going to try to fix it.
-- Shawn K. Quinn
Hi everyone
is there a detailed faq to update suse 6.0 to the 2.2 kernel somewhere (for a newbie)?
Thanks
Hmmm as i remeber the redhat beta distro has been carying the 2.2.x kernel for quite a few weeks now ... so the first beta with kernel 2.2, i dont think so, and as a fellow ./'er pointed out, stampede and mandrake linux have the 2.2's to ... so what does this all prove? Hmm ... zdnet has a few years of linux expiriance to catch up with i gues :)
-- Chris Chabot
"I dont suffer from insanity, i enjoy every minute of it!"
It's funny how the article mentions nothing about the NDS support that 1.3 had. Installing the netware server on anything but 1.3 was a nightmare, but Novell's sp5 broke it anyway, and I and most people I've spoken to have scrapped it. It looks like I'm stuck with netware to run NDS.
wouldnt a slackware public development tree be nice?
mmmmmmmmmmm
good.
Ex Libris Veritas
Stampede were first that I know of
Red Hat were probably second, but a lot of other
small fast moving dists may have beaten it
Not that I would claim that SuSE was / is first, but the 6.0 release of their distro came out in December and was "2.2 ready", at least that's what they claimed. The 6.1 release is supposed to come out middle of April with the 2.2.3 kernel.
I guess, SuSE as well as Caldera use the 2.2 as marketing hype... and who cares who is first - there is much more to a good distro than the newest kernel version.
Didn't Stampede announce that it was the first distro with 2.2.1 kernel on the 15th of Febuary
http://www.stampede.org
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/ pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/disc
:)
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ography.html/ArtistID=FRN-PAIN/
You have your mission
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Well, I'd not call SuSE 6.0 "2.2 ready"...
Right, you can get it to work with 2.2 (me set it up with 2.2.3 right now), but you gotta patch a lot if you want it to work all right. Masquerading scripts e.g. barf merrily.
I think what they call "2.2 ready" is simply that all programs required to patch your system to a 2.2 one are included and that some scripts have been modified to at least not barf totally.