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SuSE 6.1 Release Date Announced
Gracchus writes
"SuSE has announced they will release the Euro edition
of ver. 6.1, with the expected inclusion of the Linux
kernel 2.2.3, XFree86 3.3.3.1, KDE 1.1 and GNOME 1.0, on
April 12th, with the North American version scheduled for
May release. This page
is in German, but you non-Deutschlanders can get yer
translations at Babelfish .
Watch "permissions" get translated to "Permian eating ions"! Can I get fries with that? "
My only complaint about the SUSE distribution is that even in the English versions, the German versions of much of the online documentation is installed by default. You have to carefully look through the packages list and make sure the English ones are selected instead. I wish they'd fix this!
Have SuSE stopped mixing proprietary tools like
YAST deep into the CDROM so that nobody can make
SuSE variants like they can Debian Slackware
or Red Hat variants.
Are SuSE still shipping nethack (read the nethack
license)
Ask Richard Stallman why he thinks SuSE's practice
of not splitting the free/nonfree packages isdoing
all the horrible things free software people don't
want to happen.
Now go and get a Debian CD
I think SuSE is the best distribution for a desktop / workstation. Unlike some misconfigured and buggy distributions (*cough* RedHat), SuSE happens to be properly designed and easy to use.
BTW, I *am* running Debian on my server, www.happypenguin.dhs.org. In fact I think Debian is the best distribution for a server.
NetHack explicitly forbids use of NetHack
for "any gainful purpose". So if SuSE are
distributing it without special permission they
are pirating it.
Lets hope they have such permission.
Don't design your linux webpage under win95!
When one doesn't have a fast connection, the "easy update" features up Debian are next to worthless. SuSE is a very stable distribution, and comes with all sorts of useful tools. Why can't you use and OS because you like it instead of because it fits your political views?
I'm SuSE user...
- my few questions
a. is 5 necessary?
b. why all binaries?
c. 6.1 x86 only?
Well thats one easy to avoid pointless flamewar.
I've mailed the nethack people to ask if the
claim is true or SuSE got permission.
Several vendors ship stuff that you need specific
permission to ship on a CD. They tend to ask too.
Alan
and as I understand it also Mandrake, Stampede
Definite and maybe PHT.
Has anyone at OpenSource considered some kind of
"100% open source" branding.
actually I edited it using vim. At some point in time I decided to update it (a really quick change), and since I was running windows at the moment, that's what I used. I modified the web page later on using vim bu never bothered to change the fields. So yes, look and see, I edited a Linux page under windows.
suse is the easiest linux to use!
great for newbies
I say use the best tool for the job and leave the politics to the politicians.
In my case, that means SuSE (for a Linux OS), but that is only my opinion! The other Linux OSs are good too, as are the *BSDs.
They gave Yast a non-free license so poeple couldn't just copy their cd's or make suse-based distributions easily. This is unfair to the developers of the software they're selling. They abuse the work of thousands of poeple working thousands of hours on free software. For this reason alone, I will not use SuSe.
My englishize version contained the following goodies...
"5-CD-ROMs, inclusive 540-seitigem manual and boat diskette."
I knew the install disk are getting larger but...
"After more than two and a half years development January the long-waited Kernelversion 2,2 released Linus Torvalds at the end of.
He must be happy to finally have freedom...
"An interesting alternative to KDE offers GNOMES"
That's interesting news...
"Most remarkably the disk navigator might be, who permits direct menu-controlled access to the entire file system."
Who was Babelfish's teacher? Yoda?
- Not really an AC, just post code in KFM.
Really? My Linux Mall CD needs to be told this. $1.98 with YaST.
John Waalkes
jwaalkes@edge.net
I've got S.u.S.E 6.0 and RH 5.2 running on seperate partitions. The S.u.S.E. installation runs slower especially going into a directory using Midnight Commander. I'm guessing that it might be some background jobs or maybe MC is configured differently.
Other than that, it's a fine distro.
John Waalkes
jwaalkes@edge.net
The license for Nethack is based on an early Bison
license (I'm not sure if there even was a GPL at that point). Although the (poorly-worded) explanation at the bottom says you can't use it for "gainful purposes", the text of the license explains that you can charge for the act of distributing a copy.
Let's put an eye on the downside of Open-Source: It prevents innovation.
SuSE has put quite an amount of workpower into making their distribution cooler than others. Would they have done it if they were forced to give it to their competitors too?
If you don't want to use their tools out of political reasons, go ahead and use your favourite distribution. You can live without YaST. But if I want to use it, I think I have the right to. I don't think that puts us into any "Dark Ages".
You may go ahead and write a free Linux Configuration tool, but I don't think that you have the right to demand that others give away their work for free.
So, if everybody runs around shouting "This is not free, that is not free", many products will never exist.
Hehe, now you know how we feel when we read manuals "translated" into German.
Seeing as how I've only tried Slackware and Redhat so far, maybe it's time to "play the field"..
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
I like Linux because it fits my "political" (actually, social) views. And I use it because I like it.
Some of the utils like Yast (and maybe Caldera Lizard?) have additional restrictions, but all of the important stuff (kernel, compiler, etc.) is free.
BTW, I really like that yellow graphic on the SuSE 6.1 box; hopefully they'll update their t-shirts to match. :-)
TedC
Is that really true? I've seen $1.98 SuSE CDs at Linux Mall, so they're must be some way around it. In any case, a setup/configuration tool is a relatively minor thing, and is easily replaced.
TedC
I've heard that SuSE, like Caldera, is semi-proprietary. In particular, the setup tool, YaST, is proprietary.
If this is true, I'm surprised there hasn't been more noise about it. It seems the only distributions that are truly committed to free software are Red Hat and Debian (and maybe Slackware).
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
I don't have a problem with including proprietary software as part of a Linux distribution, provided it is clearly marked as such. I was worried that SuSE had made the core installation and setup tools proprietary. Red Hat release everything they write as free software, so people can make distributions based on Red Hat - and that's a good thing. But it's not so good if distribution writers hoard things to themselves.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
This from the YaST licence:
It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data
carriers which have been reproduced without
authorisation for payment without the prior
written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux.
Distribution of the YaST programme, its sources,
whether amended or unamended in full or in part
thereof, and the works derived thereof for a
charge require the prior written consent of SuSE
GmbH.
So SuSE is not free, because you can't sell copies. This seems to be a step backwards into the dark ages when Linux distributions were considered proprietary. (eg SLS)
In fact, the YaST licence is no more free than the so-called 'new copyleft' licence discussed on Slashdot a few days ago. I don't morally object to proprietary software, but it seems a little odd for supposedly Open Source(tm) companies to make their own products non-Open Source.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Are you some kind of Spanish Inquisition? Lars Wirszenius wrote his page on Notepad. It's not *what* you use but *how* you use it.
belbo
--
"Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
Hm. I am a longterm user of S.u.S.E. (yeah, hit me) and never encountered any delays except from 6.0, which was because more than half of the staff fell victim to an influenza.
At least it seems very unfair to me to compare them to Microsoft. Their users would be happy if MS's delays could be counted in *weeks*.
JM2C
belbo
--
"Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
You need to get SuSE:s permission to redistribute YaST in another distribution, basically. Look at
This is just my 2 cents.
I just as in saterday 3/20 installed suse6.0 and i like it alot better than rh5.1 but it did take a lot longer to install they had more packeges to select. Within 30 min of instlall i had upgraded to 2.2.3 kern and set up x windows and my modem and all that stuff.
--
Joshua Curtis
Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
Rabid anti-commercialism may be fine for the leaders of the revolution but the peasants still have to eat (excuse my rather tortured metaphor)... the point is S.u.S.E. does a very good job of combining a relatively user-friendly installation with an excellent book (which is practically worth the price alone for a newbie) without sacrificing depth.
Now, I'm not saying that S.u.S.E. is for the expert, but I've found that almost all the stuff I need is right there on the CD's and here in Germany the cost of downloading even a fraction of that content is easily more than what they're asking for their distro, so what's the problem? Do you think the Linux movement is HARMED by a distro where a newbie can get his feet (or whole body) wet? Yes, there is proprietary software on the CD's. It's grouped under 'PAY'. ummm... that sounds pretty well seperated to me. And it's not like you can't copy the CD's to share with your friends: The commercial stuff is all demos, just like you could download from the appropriate web-sites. So what you get is the chance to try the stuff out (or not) without having to waste your time downloading it.
Are you gonna stop buying computer magazines that have free demos in them which you're free to throw away? So chill a bit, use Redhat if that gets you off, and save your bullets for the companies that are really hoarding programming knowledge (that's what the thing's about, right?) Or do you think that S.u.S.E. is planning to become the Microsoft of installation programs (Horrors!)
Chris Kuhi
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
I'm a happy SuSE user :-)
With 5(!) cds you can choose exactly (pretty much anyway) how you want your system! Plus you save yourself a lot of downloading time!
It figures... It'll be on the FTP site just after I leave school for the summer which means I'll have to buy it... Grrr.
-Aaron
----------------- Who is Jesus?
i've just had a look at Yast and its source/Copyright notice:
it's all the GNU stuff
you can do whatever you want with it
but you have to print out that this is a changed version.
This ties in With Suse's free support!?
I agree .... definately easier to use than RH5.2 ... I had the whole thing running and configured to my liking in under and hour, and I'm a newbie! Plus you get 5 CDs of stuff for ~$35!!!
I just got the 6.0 Version ( in french )
and I just want to tell you :
GET IT QUICKLY...
It's by far the best distro I've tried (features / quality / # of packages / price / manual)
100 000 units have been sold in germany ONLY
just my 2 c.
First of, this is old news - the announcement was already out a couple of days ago, and SuSE 6.1 was already mentioned in a previous slashdot post...
Second of, SuSE is known for being late. Sadly, they partly follow the Microsoft strategy - announce early, deliver at some point. Going by experience, the "European" (I do not know why somebody calls a plain German version European...) version is going to be released at least two weeks late, and the international one will suffer in the same amount...