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NeoPlanet to Release Gecko-Based Browser
An anonymous reader writers "NeoPlanet will tommorow release a beta version of a Gecko-based browser. They plan to release a final version by May. Nice to see the technology see the light of day before the end of the year."
To bad its not for Linux.
I've seen many LiteStep themes that include NeoPlanet skins. There are LiteStep themes based around the standard NeoPlanet skins, even.
Realistically, their goal here is to squeeze a quick buck out of people. They don't give a rat's ass about the community -- of course, the community doesn't give a rat's ass about them either. I looked at their website a few weeks ago, and all of the skins were their own. I didn't see a single one from a user. I thought that was a bit odd, given the absurd glut of skins for WinAmp and so forth (and WinAmp is proprietary too, isn't?)
Who cares, anyway. NeoPlanet is a cute program, and it's free publicity for Gecko. (NeoPlanet is annoying, though. I tried it w/ IE and it wouldn't let me define my own home page; every time you start it, they hand themselves a free page hit. Heh. Duh. I was irritated. I went back to Netscape after a day. Even without the home page thing I would have anyway, because there was no compelling reason to switch.)
"just build your kernel accordingly" is exactly why Linux is just a server and why servers don't need browsers.
Yes, Linux can be anything, even without building a custom kernel. Most standard kernels that come with popular distros provide good services for servers, desktop, development, etc., right out the box.
However, in practice, 99% of Linux installations are either for servers or home computers for geeks who do build their own kernels. Less than 1% or current Linux users can be even remotely classified as "Joe Users" and that is exactly why companies like NeoSoft don't develop apps for Linux, and why commercial companies that port apps to Linux like Corel do a lousy job of it. There is no market for good Linux appls like browsers for home and general office users.
Figures given today of 10 to 20 million Linux installations are misleading. First, because a high percentage are for servers - machines that just do their job with little human interaction except routine configuration and maintenance, and the rest of on home systems of geeks, many of whom have several installations of Linux on one box or several Linux boxes or dual boot boxes with other systems. So, the total number of *individual linux users* may be a small percentage of the 10 to 20 million figure - probably less than 3 million worldwide. Not enough of a market for consumer apps.
Sad.....
Ahwell.. My first chance to push a hot-button and it didn't work.. :)
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Bottom line is that it is between the component author and the mozilla development team and Neoplanet to sort out what is probably some misunderstanding. Everyone go home, there's nothing to see here...
Additional mailing from the newsgroups which basically states that this is probably not going to be a big deal...
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I went to their website - and there is a page that has their number -
perhaps you should give them a call?
http://www.neoplanet.com/a_who.html
I'm betting their oversight is just because they are somewhat clueless
and probably arent specifically snubbing you. If anything you might
want to get the contact info for these 4 full time programmers since
they will need to work "under" you. (At least the activex folks).
The fact that neoplanet is contributing is a really good thing - don't
let the wording of a PR set you off from them before you actually talk
to humans. If they are clueless in person then sure you can be pissed,
but perhaps as with any company there are marketing folks who dont know
what the engineers are doing....
Just a thought.
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Ciao folks.
You are missing the point. Regardless of lip service to separating the engine from the interface and even the underlying OS (which I am sure that Mozilla is trying to implement) Mozilla is a Windows project funded by AOL. Naturally you will see many Windows front ends or skins for the Mozilla engine just like we have many front ends for the IE engine, such as the AOL brower.
You are unlikely to see that for Linux anytime soon. First, you need a working version of Mozilla for Linux. That is on the back burner. Linux users are expected to keep using the slow, buggy 4.51 version of AOL/Netscrape. Hehe. Linux geeks using AOL browser but too politically correct to use the Kde builtin browser which is much, much nicer in most ways (and free).
Well, where is a working version of Mozilla for Linux? Compare (Mozilla-Linux to Netscape-4.51-Linux) vs. (Mozilla-Windows to Netscape-4.51-Windows) and you will see that the Windows version of Mozilla, even in aplha stage, works and is quite nice and is a vast improvement over Netscape 4.51 for Windoze. Not so for Linux version, which won't even install.
This is what you get for placing your bets on a commercial company like AOL/Netscape while failing to appreciate and help out REAL native Linux projects like Kde and several Gtk-based browsers that need help. What hypocrisy and stupidity.
Eventually, there will be a working Mozilla for Linux, but like other ports of Windows apps to Linux it will be half-hearted and poorly supported.
You deserve no bettter, suckers.
I'm test driving this beta...looks and feels just like M$IE...In fact, where is Mozilla code?
I got it last night (it was available for about an hour, AFA I could tell before they pulled it. I think I know why - small, easily fixed install bug).
Think about the fact that you can EASILY switch between browsers.
When Neoplanet is open, you can easily click a menubar, change one setting, and after a few seconds (no restart!), you're running "the other browser".
It's actually quite a cool concept, and slaps the whole idiocy of "the browser wars" silly.
See a page that says "best viewed with NSCP?" switch and find out! A page with ActiveX? Switch back to IE and use it!
It works quite well.
My only beef? That netscape slammed Microsoft for a bad DOM implementation (although it's still the best in the world), although I've got pages written to the W3C DOM spec, that layout, but don't script correctly in Gecko.
Don't diss it till you try it.
Servers dont need browsers. :)
Where's the "neo" in NeoPlanet? This appears to be little more than the same,
tired old "let's generate Yet Another Ms-WinBlah specific app. that wires the
customer into our custom solution and MS" trick.
This is about as "neo" as Ms-WinNT was "New Technology." In other words:
not very.
Yawn. Nothing of much interest here. (Other than the possible "attribution
appropriation" issue noted earlier.)
You don't get it.
Mozilla has a developed an ActiveX component that implements _exactly_ the same API as the IE ActiveX component. This means that a product or company that has written software that uses the IE control can switch AT A STROKE to using Mozilla. Typical software can be switched from IE to Mozilla literally by changing a few lines of code. If you're ActiveX savvy you'll know its a matter of changing the CLSID that is used to create the control in the first place.
There is even a binary patcher that converts compiled executables from using IE to using Mozilla so you don't even have to have the source to convert the app.
You have to enable mozilla in the menus.
A lot of tests out there (including more than a few real-world sites) fail on Gecko because they work around bugs in existing software. The test might just be broken by design, and Gecko is doing the Right Thing when the site looks broken. (Unlikely if you're using a W3C test suite, but still possible...)
Yeah, just keep using Netscape 4.x with its ugly motif interface to compliment your translucent eterms and text-based chats. God, I've seen enough of your desktops. Aren't you Mr. Themes?
What do you need a browser for anyway. Isn't chat good enough for you - or Lynx - looks good and it's so *themeable* hehe. Or you could try the Kfilemanager built-in browser. Seriously, it's much faster and prettier (in my opinion) than scape. Doesn't handle javascript or some complex layouts as well as scape, but rarely crashes either. Oops, if forgot that's qt based and not politically correct enough for you. Like Netscape
4.x is open source ? Try using the Gnome browser.
Seriously, it is a nice browser for help files, and I don't understand why Gnome help (in applications) defaults to Netscape instead of the Gnome Help browser. Stranger and stranger.....
You hypocrite.
Any word or at least rumor of when it may be ported for Linux??
1) I see no NPL or source code anywhere.
2) Isn't there something called Mozilla there?
3) On download page I get, in other words: "We have detected you're using Netscape, and we need some IE components, so go download IE, install it and then come back to download this"
Actually this is quite stupid. Why do I need a browser which requires a browser to work? If I'm going to have a hog in my machine, do I need also a pigglet?
No linux version, of course.
You have to specifically switch to it (under browsers). It runs IE by default, but easily switches.
apprunner is like a java applet so id advise linux users to give viewer a show if they are having trouble.
How about this for a reason:
XUL isn't cooked yet. NeoPlanet already has an existing and working code-base for their custom skin tools from their existing product.
So, they could either re-use their existing code to get a product out quicker, or wait for XUL to be finished even though the rest of their new offering is ready to go...
So, their thinking can be distilled down to Time=$.
gzilla, grail, chimera...
why not help yourself by working on your own and with others to support Mozilla's Gecko by using, bug reporting and coding - for instance - to come out with stable unixish 'frontends' for Linux...
checkout from CVS
gfx/gtk
gfx/xlib
or
gfx/libggi
?
The idea of Linux?
To come up with new ideas?
To sit back and wait for something to get done?
What company's goal is NOT to try and make a buck off of people, dipwad? Any company whose modus operandi is to not make money will surely die a quick and painful death as investors back out.
Had you bothered to investigate the interface at all, you would have found the option to change the Start Page in the Control Panel under the View menu. Sheesh! Do you give up on everything that quickly? How do you accomplish anything? "Oh, I can't get out of bed today, I can't figure out how to throw the covers back." Die, you bagbiter! Die! Die! Die!
It's actually a pretty nice program once you spend a few minutes getting familiar with it.
Linux can be anything. Server, workstation, OS
:)
for a Car Mp3 player, OS for WebTV, thin client.
Just build your kernel accordingly.
//REAL men browse /. the old fashioned way, without a monitor!!
;-)
Just thought I'd mention your comment tag goes great with your last mentioned browser (lynx)... It's ncurses, so I bet it would work 'well' with one of those old tty printer consoles... snicker...
Enjoy the newfound surfing speed.... Lynx rocks... And if your page won't display well in Lynx, it blows!
1) Neoplanet peoples at internet world told me that the "neozilla" browser will be released soon. AFAIK it's not out yet.
2) The point of using the zilla code is so that people can switch renderers ON THE FLY. You can go to a page using IE's renderer, click a button and see what it looks like under netscape!!!!! No need to bring up two seperate browsers.
3) As for linux, they said that "It's always possible"
What they are doing is cool.... let's support them for using/support mozilla... not bash them because they run on a Win OS. Come on!
still fux up CSS (cascading style sheets) in the same way as IE4...its cute but toooo flashy for me...only imported my IE bookmarks and not my NS4 bookmarks...oh well...it was cute to play with
I decided to check it out from a windows box, and despite most the criticism I'm hearing, its very nice as far as what the end user gets. clean, fast, small, etc. The advertisments in the conner DO get annoying though. Probably worth a gander if you haven't checked it out yet...
I think Netscape Navigator 3.0 fulfills those three requirements, although its dependence on Motif and its closed-sourced nature makes it much worse than kfm from an OSS point of view.
Now if only it didn't report oddly encrypted data back to the NeoPlanet collective every time you start and quit it...
Um.. how? I've looked through the configuration pieces (those that I can find, they're all over the place in this thing), and I don't see anything about Mozilla. Perhaps I'm missing something.
something clever
Opera fits all those requirements. Well, except for the Linux one.
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Posted by Mike@ABC:
NeoPlanet is a newbie browser at best. It's designed to package up a whole bunch of links in the browser "shell." That way, the new user can find information in NeoPlanet's playground and view their ads, instead of getting distracted by going to a portal or other search engine.
I have to say that the "toggling" idea is cool, switching from Mozilla to Microsoft on the fly. But I don't understand why they're doing it in the first place...! Most new users wouldn't know what it means, wouldn't understand why you might want to do it, and generally don't care as long as their browser gets them from point A to point B. They already had a solid product. If they wanted it to go faster, they should've just switched to Gecko and left IE out of it.
In the end, I think the folks at NeoPlanet are co-opting the open source "buzz." It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.
But this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Netscape 3 is HORRIBLY unstable :)
-Stu
kfm is probably the best alternative to Netscape, but it still is no where near ready to be a permanent replacement.
Opera is coming soon, but it will be written with Qt.
on the bright side, Qt 2.0 will be free, so silly anti-Qt arguments will hopefully will diminish [unless of course, you just don't like the feel of it].
-Stu
The Gecko release from the Netscape Developer site is probably a fair amount older than the one in Mozilla M3 ... Mozilla M3 renders that CSS testpage perfectly, as you say.
-Stu
most web developers WANT to switch to pure CSS. The whole reason we have these CSS-intensive tests is because web developers want it.
It is only a matter of time before we're going to have complex CSS, especially in controlled environments like Intranets.
-Stu
A - Stable (ruling out Netscape & Mozilla)
B - Graphical (ruling out Lynx)
C - Doesn't require Qt (ruling out KFM)
Anyone got any ideas?
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This is just plain dumb. Mozilla is already completely themable via XUL. Why on earth would they build this proprietary, windows only 4 MEGABYTE (compressed) skin technology when mozilla has it built in from the core in a completely open and cross platform manner? They would do a better service to the community by helping out on XUL development. But of course, they don't care about that - just about sending your email address and other info about you to companies who pay them...
If anyone knows the answer, please tell me...
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
Is it just me, or does this seem redundant? Someone really should do a head to head, up to date, comparision of all of these, IMHO. And throw in IE, Grail, and anything else for completeness. Compare what features each one has, the themablity, the plugins avaliable, and the platforms avaliable. Anyone know of a comparison like this?
XML, HTML, ActiveX, Java, Shock Wave, etc etc etc... I still can't get the Real Media plugin for Netscape in Linux to work correctly.
I guess I am just going to stick with Linux/Netscape, because everything else seems to be unstable Beta. Anyone here actually got the GTK-Mozilla to work? Is there a URL for a "Linux web browser comparison (oh yea, kde's browser.. forgot that one).
Mostly, I guess I am still deeply confused to the whole "Mozilla" thing. I thought it was just Netscape Beta, but it seems with all the directions they are going and all the diffrent groups working from "Mozilla Source," I just don't see how they could all result in getting one good browser as the finished project.
Mozilla open source was suppose to increase the speed of development of Netscape. I guess it did for a while, but now it looks like all it's doing is causeing the workers to rip off the source and fragment into thier own projects, which is a bad thing IMHO. Can someone give me a quick review of how closely Mozilla is tied to Netscape now that it's part of AOL, and Sun is an AOL partner? Are they even working together on it (SUN would be the ideal place to optimize the Java environment for a browser, a good thing, and the past shows AOL can screw a browser up really good, a bad thing).
NeoPlanet's "hack of mozilla" will be a commercial product maintained by NeoPlanet.
GTK-Mozilla is no more. GTK has been adopted as the X front-end for all unix Mozilla ports, has been for awhile.
The ability for people to "rip off the source" is one of the powers of OSS. It's a GOOD THING. And why has it taken so long? Can we say almost a 100% rewrite? Jeez.
Mozilla is the open source netscape browser. Netscape will use Mozilla as a basis for Communicator. Anyone is free to make their own custom Mozilla using the source code, provided they follow the license.
every OS deserves a mozilla browser. Amiga, Win CE, Mac, Win 3.1, java, freebsd, linux, Windows 2000 and of course BeOS :)
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Just check out Neoplanet's website
http://neoplanet.com/research.htm
NeoPlanet would also like to thank Adam Locke for his contribution to the Mozilla effort. NeoPlanet used Adam's Active-X wrapper for Gecko as the basis for creating the NeoPlanet Active-X wrapper. NeoPlanet plans to post this updated Active-X control to Mozilla.org shortly
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maybe after AOL comes to linux :)
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Over 10 years ago, in discussing X, Motif, and Open Look, Rob Pike said
"More and more pixels doing less and less work."
How far we've progressed.
Found it in the archive, here
Along with switching engines on the fly, it also says it will do a "side-by-side" layout with both engines (i.e. same web page, displayed in both Gecko and IE5). I don't know about you, but that will sure save me some wear-and-tear on the old Alt-Tab key.
Of course, that wouldn't be necessary if browsers actually supported the standards correctly. Gecko is very promising in this direction, especially regarding CSS and the DOM, but IE is an absolute disaster. According to the stats on one of the web sites I administer, about 36% of our visitors are using IE 3 or 4, 31% are using Netscape 3 or 4, and 25% are using AOL 3 or 4 - what a nightmare to have to keep all these in mind when designing the site!
Of course, the day that MS actually adheres to standards, rather than "embracing and extending", is the day I go into floral design.
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All non-Lynx browsers available for Linux boil down to this sentiment for me. When there's a fast, clean, GPL'd shell surrounding Gecko, with keyboard equivalents that blend the best of MSIE, Opera and Lynx, with plugins that replicate the functionality of Alexa and Altavista Discovery, I'll be farting through silk; 'til then, anything but Lynx is strictly for "emergencies", and definitely not an experience I would call pleasant.
Fuck Slashdot
Does anybody else find it Ironic that the Neoplanet code requires an ActiveX component to run Mozilla? Sounds like the Neo-punks are trying to pull a 'Gore' and jump on the "We're cutting edge technology because we are part of the open source revolution!" Glad to see they are using Microsoft Products to promote Gecko.
Actually it's terrific. Microsoft has Actively (groan) resisted commoditization of Windows with strategies of lock-in and presenting the API as a moving target. But now that IE is a component, it's a commodity, and a replaceable one. Windows can be taken over piece by piece, much like the GNU project has been doing to commercial Unix.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
If you want to really test a browser, see how fast it renders a schwab page or a my yahoo page or an ebay page or any other page that people actually use.
This is a common flaw in useability testing - demonstrate your strengths on corner cases. And yes, CSS is a corner case - no popular sites use it or are likely to use it.
Nothing new to see, move along please.
/that/ particular option. And anyway, why would it need another browser to run?
Seriously, if this is supposed to be a new browser why does it claim to be Internet Exploder?
Someone else mentioned that it could be made to use Netscrape. Whu? Can't find
In short: A pile of pants, big and old. Nothing `Neo' 'cept the name, and it doesn't even work very well (maybe that's due to it being Internet Exploiter with a pretty jacket on???)
Why is it that many people who claim to support standards have such atrocious spelling and grammar?
Check out the disclaimers on their reseach page. Its pretty clear this toggle is a research / development thing.
Then you think wrong. Commercial developers are certainly welcome to use and add proprietary code to an NPL/MPL project, but the NPL/MPL part of it must remain and be acknowledged as open source. See the license on www.mozilla.org
The ability to toggle would make for a great development browser. Of course, I don't think a developer would want to use NeoPlanet. Of course, couldn't Mozilla just embed the IE viewer, if it wanted to? I mean, this is Windows only...
...but something like that would rawk for development if a platform-neutral way of doing was found.
Of course, many of these cross-browser issues go away once the browsers comply to an HTML spec.
pooptruck
I gave NP a try a while ago. Basically its a frontend to IE's renderer, which blows, therefore NP does too. The interface is ridiculous - it uses the lizard-brain 'channel' analogy, which failed miserably with MS's channel bar.
Why doesn't this company put some effort into actually making a competitive BROWSER, instead of making a skin for an older, crappy one? If someone is wanting a new browser experience on the Win32 platform, give Opera a shot. At least they're doing something new - it works better than both IE and Netscape, and trounces them both in standards-compliance.
-lx
Gecko is definately the best browser for rendering, from what I've seen. If you haven't seen the CSS torture test results yet, take a look. It's going to cause a lot of pages on the web right now to render improperly, but that's a small price to pay for near-100% (well, probably 100%) support of standards.
I wish Microsoft and Netscape didn't get into their original "let's add all this proprietary crap into our browsers" phase as it fragmented the web for a while. I would rather design a single page that functions under both browsers equally well. Gecko's going to set a new standard that will have to be matched by everyone else.
æeee!
I think the important thing about CSS is that it allows you to separate your content from your look and feel. Having stylesheets allows you to swap different looks in and out without recompiling/manually editing all of your pages. It's not a big technology right now, but it's slowly gaining ground.
IMHO, people *should* be using CSS to design pages instead of embedding all of the font/color/layout stuff in the HTML document. Unfortunately, technology that offers the greatest benefits isn't always the one that gets used in the end.
If you want to see CSS in the real world, take a look at a lot of the big-name sites. You'll find that a large number of them *do* use it for layout (ie: Microsoft, Hotbot, etc..). When the new third- or fourth-generation browsers start taking over, I think you'll see a lot of people dropping support for the old, braindead browsers.
æeee!
I guess I should also mention that CSS and XML go hand-in-hand really well. One technology handles data and metadata, while the other is concerned only with the presentation of that data to the end user. This is really cool stuff -- you should see it really taking off within the next year or so.
æeee!
Neoplanet isn't derived from Gecko; It uses it as a layout widget. I seriously don't think that Netscape intended to keep commerciasl developers from using Gecko by insisting that any product which used it must me OSS. :)
-k. ^-^ ^D
No, I don't think wrong. I (perhaps) communicate unclearly, but to restate in an i'll-speak-slowly manner, i'll give an example:
Mozilla must remain free, but if Quicken(tm) wants to use Gecko as their HTML widget, that doesn't mean that they have to give away the source to Quicken(tm), which is what the original poster was implying that Neoplanet had to do. They might have to publish the source code to whatever version of Gecko they used, but *their* code, inasmuch as it is not a part of Gecko but uses it through a well-defined interface, remains their own. Any other arrangement completely obliterates any commercial adoption of Mozilla, and I can assure you that that was not Netscape's intent.
-k. ^-^ ^D
fairy theme
I have no idea why NeoPlanet doesn't link user-developed skins. I haven't tried this one. NeoPlanet is not my favorite product, I uninstalled it about 5 minutes after I began to use it.
I've tried every browser I could get my hands on, just for the hell of it. Using ie5 presently (cough) but the novelty of the little radio thingy has worn off. MP3's or good ol CDs beat the crap out of streaming radio stations...
Here's the list of browsers I've used:
Netscape 2.x, 3.x, 4.0, 4.5 and Communicator for Linux
Gecko whatever...
IE 3, 4..., 5
Opera (some old version and the most recent one)
StarOffice's integrated browser (ick!)
Neoplanet 1.0...
AOL 4.0
that K thing (briefly)
Crystal Atari Browser through an atari emulator (so, I wasn't actually online)
and some Russian-sounding browser that Sucked
Just downloaded Lynx, haven't used it yet...
Are there any more out there? hehehe
"I want peace on earth and good will toward men." "We're the U.S. government. We don't do that sort of thing!!"
Why do web designers want homogenous users? If you don't throw in the latest, greatest features of CSS, and don't use any browser specific tags, most browsers will see your page just fine. Is the content on a version NS3 page going to be different than that on a version NS4 page?
It would be great if all of the browsers had perfect 100% compliance with the current standards, kept up to date with the standards, and made sure all the users had the up to date browsers. But that's not going to happen!
I think that many of those sites that serve up different versions to different browswers are trying to treat HTML as a DTP or paintbrush.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
A simple check of the source tree will confirm this. If the Mozilla folks verify it, neo's going to be in a world of humiliation.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Since you're asking about viable alternatives, I can assume that you consider Qt non-viable, as opposed to merely politically incorrect. Why is Qt non-viable? I've always felt that Qt was quite viable for Linux, with free source for non-commercial use, with even more openness when v2.0 comes out. Am I grossly mistaken? Can you please explain why?
I'd hate to be slumming around in slashdot with a non-viable browser!
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
I thought this at first, too. But, they have a "special" configuration dialogue which seems to be the one which gets used. Once I found that, no problem!
It's View -> Control Panel
Or F2
Just FYI
If I'm not mistaken, the NPL also requires that the source code of any derived products be made available. And yet... I don't see code anywhere on their web site. What's up?
As far as the layout engine, the linux version is on track with win32.
There will be a wysiwyg xml ui creation tool real soon now my: Xultool
Actually the real reason there aren't any skins on their site that aren't by them (or anywhere for that matter) is that the vast majority of skinners for windoze customizable apps use Netscape. They're too busy skinning their mp3 players and building themes for Litestep(an Afterstep lookalike, replacement shell for windoze) to bother wasting their time on Neoplanet.
:)
- Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.
hooray for css! xml too, they rock.
-- your knees hurt, don't they?
maybe they like scifi
-- your knees hurt, don't they?
1) Only to be expected that a windows version woud be he first released given that the windows versions are ahead in development from all the others.
2) I think Mozilla is such a cool technology and this just confirms it (a pity I could never get it to work but).
3) What I really like about Mozilla is the XML based interface design. How long do you think it will be before there are wysiwyg XML editors for customising your Browsers?
-- "I've always believed that the mind is the best weapon" Sylvester Stallone, Rambo First Blood, Part Two
Just in case anyone was thrown off by the /. headline, the beta is available now, since the article mentioned was from 04/14. Cheers
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wookin' pa nub in all the wrong pwaces
Just in case anyone was thrown off by the /. headline, the beta is available now, since the article mentioned was from 04/14. Cheers
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wookin' pa nub in all the wrong pwaces
I hope as the product grows, you'll consider us more than just eye candy. We're working hard to make it as complete a web solution as possible. As for the encrypted data being sent to us, I suggest you check out our Privacy Statement at http://www.neoplanet.com/a_privacy.html
I hope it proves helpful in understanding precisely what information is shared...
Frank Robledano Product Manager NeoPlanet, Inc.
Check out www.skinz.org. There are user-defined NP skins there.
We don't put them on our site because we haven't spent a lot of time developing a place for them. We're redesigning the site though, so look for a user-submission are SOON.
Frank Robledano Product Manager NeoPlanet, Inc.
Just to set the record straight:
We do NOT send users' e-mail addresses to ANY of our partners, and we do NOT collect individual user information. The only way we could have your e-mail address is if you have registered the product and included that information in the form. It is not required to use the browser, though.
If you like, check out our Privacy Statement at:
http://www.neoplanet.com/a_privacy.html
I trust it will prove helpful...
Frank Robledano Product Manager NeoPlanet, Inc.
While participating in the Mozilla development mailing lists, I read a post this morning that mentioned this exact same story. This guy writes something along the lines of:
An ActiveX component that delivers the Gecko rendering engine output was written by me. This component was checked out, and later returned with no code changes as something like "NeoAXCOM.xxx" or something and credited as their work. I am pissed off.
I would GREATLY appreciate it if someone could verify this and the technical details of what he was talking about, because I threw away the e-mail and don't have a copy anymore. But it is about as accurate as I can remember, it is NEEDING CONFIRMATION, and it is allegedly pissing off the author.
Mozilla is coming along extremely well with or without NeoPlanet. It can use all the corporate support it can get, but if this is the kind of poop we can expect from the corporate world, maybe we should remind them to be more responsible and open to their customers and the open source community.
In more entertaining terms, slashdot them to hell and back if it is CONFIRMED they are crassly claiming work they didn't do until we get an adequate response or an apology.
Cheers...
valpohl@hotmail.com
Isn't Gecko supposed to be the new 100% HTML standards compatible engine? I went to the test page for the new standards, and it failed miserably. It looked NOTHING like what it was supposed to. Granted, it did come out looking better than Netscape Communicator 4.5, but it is still wrong. That seems truely odd, as I tried the tests of the Mozilla engine that I got directly from Netscape the other day, and it rendered correctly! Perhaps I'm missing something here. Are these two seperate engines? Is Gecko not the same engine as what is being used with the test Mozilla?
On a side note, I do like the interface. It's about time someone made an attempt to make their software look nice. It's almost as good as the customizable interfaces from X (not quite, but it's a nice start). I'm interested to see just what this company is going to produce in the future. Worth a looksee.
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