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Andreas Pour sent linkage to
a page where you can get the KDE mascot in
T-shirt form (half the profits go to KDE).
Hubert Figuiere sent us pictures from
the Paris LinuxExpo
if you weren't in France.
Brian sent us How Stuff
Works. Its actually not bad.
cpfeifer wrote in to send us some spoofed book covers including
Taking Down the Internet in 30mins for Dummies
and IP Spoofing for Dummies. More here.
An anonymous reader sent us Prozac Pez if you've been having a rough day.
Dwonis
sent us a point-form description
of Geeks, Twits and Nerds, and the differences between them.
aspodf wrote in to show us what happens when
Red Meat and Star Wars come together at last.
CowboyNeal sent us a link to
Career Path which has a
Personality Quiz
that tells if you are a Jedi Master, or a Sith Lord. I think
Neal ended up an Ewok *grin*.
I guess that makes me the mini-me of Hans Solo. :)
Ah, thats nothing. I'm loveable old Darth Vader.
Anyone know? It's me, but who *am* I?!
Good post!
I know what I'll be doing next year at this time. Can't imagine a better way to spend my pathetically puny vacation time than in Paris with a Linux expo to attend!
Why didn't I know about this before it happened?
I also scored as Obi Wan Kenobi. I then retook the test but totally reversed my answers and became C-3PO. I really wonder what the key questions are and how the scoring is done. I'm not talking the analysis, but the matchup with the SW characters.
IF that was all you learned in *TWO* years, you need to be looking at transfering.
Ha,
Obi-Wan on the first try, and was thinking I was somewhere between a twit, with nerd leanings
I think you are confusing Konqi with an alligator. Ok, both are lizards, and lizards tend to be green.
:-) ).
I think the logo design is very nice; and it looks excellent on a t-shirt (I got one early, and it's hands down the best computer-related t-shirt I ever owned
First of all, a dragon and a alligator are not the same thing. Second of all, a class-action lawsuit and a copyright violation lawsuit are two very different things. Please get a clue.
ME THINKS IT IS THE ONE WHOSE STUPID-ASS POSTS GET ALL THE FLAMES, CANNOT CONSTRUCT A PROPER SENTENCE, DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO USE CAPITALIZATION, AND DOES NOT NO GRAMMAR. ME THINKS YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO JR HIGH.
Yeah, and most of us don't like your bad grammar, lack of punctuation, and general lack of a clue. You are not the proper person to be making requests of others.
U MUST STOP ACTING LIKE A ATE YEAR OLD POOPY AND START ACTING LIKE A REAL ADULT. BTW: THESE POSTS ARE MEANT TO EMULATE YOURS. IN REAL WORLD WHICH YOU SEEMS TO KNOW LITTLE ABOUT I POST PROPER SENTENCES AND DO NOT USE ALL CAPS AND SPELL CORRECTLY AND DONT MAKE RUN ON SENTENCES LIKE THIS ONE. THIS IS JUST HOW YOU APPEAR TO ME AND TO A LOT OF OTHERS.
Quit acting like a moron and construct proper posts.
me thought you were being so dumb not using caps or punctuation. me actually thinks you are a meept wannabe who can't understand concepts such as "I" and must refer to himself as third person and not contribute anything productive. oh wait. this is all true. me not sorry for attacking you. me think you need to go back to the classroom and quit creating noise on new channels other people use. me thinks you are a waste of bandwidth.
That would seem like a good thing right now...
According to the Code of the Geeks, http://www.geekcode.com, a geek is someone who is proficient in his hobby or profession and devotes his life to it. A nerd is quite the opposite and is generally just someone to be avoided.
--eil.
YEAH!
agreed. I was quite disturbed by that little table, since i identify myself as a geek. I don't know where i got this feeling from, but i wouldn't call myself a nerd because it sounds too "tame".
question: are female geeks called "Geekess" ?
So, what's the percentage of your post being moderated?
well, no worries, wait a few decades, and you will sound like a respectable adult.
I clocked away and i got Darth Vader. Of course, i have not seen any of the movies but i guess that means i'm evil or something.
and DAVEO, we don't appreciate your very annoying signature.
daveo u have attacked my inner weakness and brought throughout thy who indeed stretches the enterior of the thorax cavity for when the brother has overcome his rightful task of enduring those who endure him will rightfully rein; but for he who does not and shall incompany those within will be torchured to the further; but alas, for he shall not endure those precious rubules for they am sacred
i love you
good comeback! I am glad slashdot is attracting such literate people with good arguments!
and since me thinks all your posts are written in a style of an incoherent babbler me thinks they should all be moderated.
me knows all. that is why me knows better than to use punctuation and grammer. me knows that is only for stupid people and not krad slashdot users like meself.
Yes, well... esr can take a running jump at himself.
Geeks probably are a "jack-of-all-trades" but you forgot the other bit: "and master of none". Nerds on the other hand are usually good at far more than just *one* thing. For instance they are also good at math. And not just turning the crank on equations, but actually understanding why math works and how to use it. Nerds also have good memories. Even though they have absolutely no use for historical knowledge (no-one does) they remember a whole lot of what they learned in history class. Same goes for literature. Nerds love knowledge for its own sake, not for employability and not limited to just one area (like the "hobby" that geeks are "in to").
In addition nerds *do* have social skills. Typically good ones. They just tend to avoid situations that would force them to be used. Nerds *can* interact successfully with others, it is just that they see limited benefit in doing so. Why discuss the weather with a stranger, when you could be reading about a new topic of interest? Instead of "meeting new people" that you won't ever see again, nerds would rather acquire knowledge. A conversation that fails to convey meaningful information is a waste of time.
In short, nerds are the higher form. Geeks probably don't *want* to be nerds, but nonetheless they are a lower form. Twits are twits.
> "Ben"? (That's a name I've not heard in a long time. ;-)
But it goes the other way around. "Obi-Wan" is the name crazy old Ben Kenobi hadn't heard in a long time.
Where's Jar Jar?
Am I the only one?
Now don't piss me off, or I'll tear your limbs from their sockets!
1) Geek is highest lifeform, nerd is lowest.
2) Nerds are useless management wanabees that wish to dissociate themselves as technical obsessives, feeling the general public looks negatively towards geeks. True geeks don't give a damn what people think of them. Note that nerds always makes it a point to not refer themselves as computer "geeks".
3) That oversensitivity also implies they have more social skills, because they are sensitive of what people think of them. Geeks only care about technical mastery (& discretion in judgement). This also implies nerds are usually less technically competent; they spend more time worrying about looking like management material.
4) That page is hideously flawed in perspective.
Not worth the effort to redo...
The other stuff in the gallery at attrition.org is quite cool as well. I like th "O'Reilly's Definitive Guide to Online Porn" :-).
Or "Jesus in a Nutshell - 2nd coming".
When does first posting for dummies come out?
This is bordering on completely off topic, but does anyone know where the Star Wars ASCII-mation page went? It was from an article posted a while back on /. but the page is now gone.
/dev/null....
There were over 10,000 frames so I'm guessing the guy didn't just let that go to
Ok, where the hell is R2D2??? he fixes everything, not only that, he's responsible for the whole series.
--- Journals are boring; Go to my web page instead
I could really use that prozak despenser
I knew I was always like him, or Obi Wan...
The least they could have done is warned
people that it required javascript, so those
of us who can't use it don't waste our time
answering the questions (and instead can waste
our time reading the javascript source).
I'd have to agree with this reversal of the characteristics of Geeks and Nerds.
Geeks also tend to be better at solving meta-problems whereas Nerds usually just know and understand the "latest cool thing" (and twits understand the thing that they THINK is "latest and cool".
Twits fester, Nerds solve, and Geeks adapt.
For example, as a self-proclaimed Geek, I'd say that I understand TCP/IP fairly well -- not knowing by rote the exact encoding of all the fields in an IP frame, or the rtt estimation algorithm, but knowing damn well where to look (including the fact that TCP and IP header parsing is a job for a machine, not a person), and why rtt estimation is important, and the general filtering technique used. This carries from and to other protocols. After all, at the meta-level, an ack is an ack is an ack, and piggybacking is a common technique.
A Nerd, OTOH, might be able to stare at hex dumps and parse out IP and TCP headers with ease. The fact that X.25 receiver readys occur at frame and packet layers might be beyond his comprehension.
Finally, a twit would go on and on about his recent ZMODEM implementation.
In Liberty, Rene
In the Star Wars Horoscope, I was born under the sign of Luke. The Career Path quiz told me I was Luke. *sigh* Then it told my sister she was Vader. I think I'll just resign myself to being doomed. :)
--
The Future: Some assembly required; batteries not included.
Yep! I got Han Solo on the first try. Will sell my answers on E-Bay to highest bidder (if E-Bay's actually on line).
No, silly; they're called "precious".
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
A resounding "no" to all of the above. My fiance is in fact a geekess, but we're quite comfortable in the traditional gender roles. :)
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Agreed. A geek is a nerd with social skills.
-R
-- Comtrends!
Basically, I consider myself a Geek. Nerd has always seemed more the socially inept version of a geek. You know, the stereo-typical brill-creamed hair, pocket protector, nasal voise and plastic-framed glasses held together with a band-aid. The geek has the technical know-how, but the sort who has some sort dress sense, and likes to go out occasionally (and doesn't get kicked out of the parties). Watch 'Revenge of the Nerds'.
There are also sub-species of geek and nerd.
I am a Computer and Video geek.
By the way - I got Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Well, I wish that I was Darth Vader, but at least I'm not whiny Luke. Methinks DAVEO and MEEPT! are related.
True. Those definitions were reversed. I really thought this issue had been resolved with the latest edition of the hacker dictionary. Sadly enough, it would seem that many on slashdot have yet to read it. I consider it required reading.
--
Simply put, this guy is wrong. The Hacker dictionary, aka the Jargon File (available on esr's homepage) already has definitions for all of these. And, if I may be so bold, are much better written. But as everybody is entitled to their opinion.. here's mine. :)
a lly-stupid.
Twits are the people that screw up their system and then call up the nerds at the helpdesk to fix it. The nerds play quake2 all day and sit in a lab unjamming printers and changing passwords, while the geeks are busy hammering out the next e-commerce software package in the "intro to C" class down the hall. Nerds are completely bent on *one* part of computing (be it programming, hardware, whatever). They're usually good. While geeks are more of a jack-of-all-trades. They know enough about computers in general, and can usually go in-depth on a variety of topics. Nerds have no social skills. Geeks have limited social skills. Twits.. well, we'll call them the normals-that-didn't-quite-make-the-cut-and-are-re
Ciao.
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You're not MEEPT!! so don't even try.
Three Step Plan:
1. Take over the world.
2. Get a lot of cookies.
3. Eat the cookies.
The inevitable reference to self in the third person is MEEPT!! esque,
however MEEPT!! is funny. And off-topic he isn't -- (s)he just puts a new spin on things.
Three Step Plan:
1. Take over the world.
2. Get a lot of cookies.
3. Eat the cookies.
Wait a minute; am I the "living Obi-Wan" or the ;-)
post-mortem "glowing Obi-Wan"? Or am I just
"Ben"? (That's a name I've not heard in a long
time.
From the javascript:
var ptypes = new Array ("Darth Vader", "C-3PO", "Han Solo", "Luke Skywalker", "Boba Fett", "Obi-Wan Kenobi", "Chewbacca", "Princess Leia");
Looks like each question increments your rating to be one or more of the characters, and which every character get the most points is you!
Sorry about the formatting. Straight from the Java script.
dv=Darth,hs=Han,lu=Luke,bf=Boba Fett,ob=Obi-wan,C3=C3PO,ch=Chewy,pr=Leia
1 Easily adaptable to new and changing situations.
dv,hs,lu,bf,ob,ch,pr
2 Likes to wear a uniform.
dv,bf
3 Motivated in competitive situations.
dv,hs,lu,bf,ob,ch,pr
4 Trust your own judgement.
dv,hs,bf,ob,ch,pr
5 Unconcerned with a bad haircut.
dv,hs,lu,pr
6 Will not compromise, no matter what.
dv,bf,pr
7 Able to prioritize plans and execute multiple tasks.
hs,lu,bf,ob,ch,pr
8 Accessorize well.
bf,ch,pr
9 Accurately read a situation to figure out the outcome.
bf,ob
10 Good with guns.
hs,lu,bf,ch,pr
11 Have an entrepreneurial spirit, and the ability to follow through on it
hs, bf
12 Strong technical and mechanical skills.
hs,lu,bf,ch
13 Often caught in overwhelming situations.
dv,c3,lu
14 Spend a lot of time thinking about yourself.
dv,c3,hs,lu
15 Accept the support of others.
c3,lu,ob,ch,pr
16 Complex grooming needs.
c3,ch,pr
17 Disdain changing environments.
c3
18 Listen well.
c3,ob,ch
19 Multi-lingual.
c3,hs,ch
20 Expect rewards and recognition for work.
dv,c3,hs,bf,
21 Generates new ideas from surrounding situations.
dv,c3,hs,lu,bf,ob,ch,pr
22 Consistently well-prepared, well-spoken, and/or polished.
c3,bf,ob,pr
23 Think the Boss in Dilbert should strangle his lackeys.
dv
24 Skilled at conveying information to others in a clear manner.
c3,hs,bf,ob
25 Like working alone.
c3,bf
26 Seek the respect of others.
c3,hs,bf,ob
27 Able to integrate a variety of tasks to work smoothly.
dv,lu,bf,ob,ch,pr
28 Able to market and sell services and ideas.
dv,hs,bf,ob
29 Believe in a way out of any situation.
dv,hs,bf,pr
30 Brimming with confidence.
dv,hs,bf,pr
31 Strong at mathematical computations.
c3
32 Whine readily.
c3,lu
33 Willing to accept blame.
c3,lu
34 Willing to take things easy.
c3
35 Able to bring others around to your way of thinking.
dv,lu,ob,ch
36 Handle loss poorly.
dv,hs,ch
37 Overly impulsive.
dv,hs,lu,pr
38 Politically-minded.
dv,pr
39 Use mental abilities to full potential.
dv,lu,ob,pr
40 Charitable tendencies.
hs,lu,ob,ch,pr
41 Stir the thoughts of others and motivate them to grow.
ob,pr
42 Trained to be among society's elite from an early age.
pr
43 Willing to accept change to accomplish goals.
hs,lu,ob,ch,pr
44 Work well with others.
lu,ob,ch
I absolutely agree. I have even heard of the term "geeking" which is a process that occurs when two or more Geeks, who may have never before met, begin to converse about various points of technology - an intimate conversation that make little or no sense to non-geeks.
I also got Obi-Wan.
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What does the personality quiz say about you if you read the javascript in the page so that you know which questions to answer in order to become your favoutrite character?
daveo, use your threshold, it will allow you to ignore "First Posts" and similiar annoying content. After all, that is what it's for. I usually set mine to 1, but on occasion I like to see what all the fuss is about and will set it lower.
"Understanding Digital Technology" is what I learned in the first two years of EE, all reduced to about four pages of text. Go figure.
If "How Stuff Works" and the LDP got together, it would be the world's greatest collection of Information... they could hold small countries for ransom.
-Chris
Try turning on Javascript.
You know if it wasn't for your login "Just Some Guy" I would swear your a geekess. Though you may just be doing a bit of gender switching as is common in these days?.. hey did you by anychance ever get on efnet as Justagrl ??
Umm maby its just me but from all my personal experience the definition for Geek and Nerd, as well as use uses of the words, should be switched. Based upon all the correspondents I've had most people agree that the Geek is the higher form of Nerd. Though I think their definition of Twit is right on. See my Sig it explains all
Argh! And I don't have any Brasso!
Not that innaccurate, actually. I am easily discouraged, generally a negative thinker, and have a nice neutral English accent.
Thanks Slashdot. Now I am addicted to "How stuff works" I have been reading this stuff all day...Do they have a support group for this?
This really reminds me of a book, called 'This Perfect Day', by Ira Levin. There people are forced to wear devices like them on a bracelet.
Imagine the possibilities of a shrunk version: they implant it at birth. Then organisations (not neccerarily the government, but that's a likely candidate), can trace wherever you go and whoever you are with. This really scares me.
I will never betatest this baby. Never!
the pun is mightier than the sword
Was posted wrong. Sorry
the pun is mightier than the sword
"No, not the brash, young Jedi currently on screen, but Alec Guiness' wise hermit of the Classic Trilogy. You are a quietly graceful leader who people seek out. You may have fallen from grace, perhaps had power usurped by young upstarts, but the right people know you are on the mark."
... came out as Ben Kenobi, myself included. Almost without exception. Late one night, I took the quiz again, and was in a bad mood. I came out as Boba Fett the second time!
"I have no respect for a man who can only spell a word one way." - Mark Twain
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
So far it looks like no one else has remembered but How Stuff Works beat out slashdot for "Cool Site of the Year" a few months ago. I took a look then, quite a collection of interesting info, almost as good as The Straight Dope but not quite.
Someone forgot to take out the text about netware in the "Taking down the internet" spoof...
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
see dead canadians
It didn't even have a working submit button.
-- $SIGNATURE
Looking at the Paris photos reminds me of the scene in "Pirates of SiliValley" where Apple is at the first WCCF, put on by local curmudgeon Jim Warren. The booths lined with curtains, basic tables and chairs and some simple signs. Its also where BillyG first went to try and talk to Jobs, and was completely ignored.
Why do I feel like linux (and OSS) is poised to be the Next Great Thing?
I wish I could have been there.
The AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Hehehe. This is cute. They're collecting results from this over at http://www.darkstaff.com/discus under Star Wars Discussion Forum: Star Wars Links Of Interest: Other: I'm C-3P0. Who are you?
daveo does not appreshiate these first posts comments . they are distractive, off-the-topic, and serve no purpose but to inflaim and iraite the readers of pieceful /.. please hold back the tremendus glory you must get from posting before the rest of us and have some respect fore all of those of us who do not want to see your first posts comments.
-DAVEO
did anyone else be-sides daveo think that is to many questions? lol daveo wouldnt be suprised if they *did* come out with those dummies books these days with what their doing.
-DAVEO
ahhh the inevitible comparisons to meept!!!! while meept!!!! is quite a characarter, daveo does not wan't to be like meept!!!!. why does daveo compaed to meept!!!! all the time? daveo won'ts to be *daveo* and no one else, daveo posts nothing off-the-topic *ever* although the modorators somtimes mark his good posts as such. its is a shame that people cannot let daveo with his style be unatacked but people must compare him to meept!!!! whoa is funny to daveo but posts things not relating to the topic at hand. daveo never atacks those others who just talk piecefuley about /. issues as you would no i fyou read his posts. please leave daveo alone with the meept!!!! comparisons they are not fare and daveo does not wan't them.
-DAVEO
well daveo thinks he knows who is the stupid one here sorry. daveos new policy is to not respond to cowards that are like this.
-DAVEO
*daveo sighs that we cannot all get along*
-DAVEO
done, but occasionally moderators like to -1 daveo's posts for personal reasons so that wont always work
-DAVEO
daveo is sorry but he does not intentionaley attack people or post off-topic posts. that is what first posts are intended to do and daeo wan'ted to kindley express his dis-satifaction.
-DAVEO
daveo is sorry later today he will tone it down but there has been a trend latley of modorating down his posts unfairly (sometimes fairley but mostley not)
-DAVEO