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on from the making-things-look-pretty dept.
Base_16 writes "Panoramix, a new graphical installation for linux-mandrake, was released today. It nicely integrates the new Diskdrake partitioning tool with the rest of the installation to make setting up linux much easier. Go here to get more information. "
i don't have any big equipment, i have been working among indigo, o2 and octanes. quite frankly i think the o2 really sucks, maybe it's just the hardware that are old.
no cigs allow here, too bad.
you are currently at eastern time, i believe you could be in north america. what city?
oh, about your ass, i would welcome you with a matt plated with broken glass, and then tide you on a rotating chair, how about that?
Re:Ummm and?
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Yeah! Post code instead of press releases! Then we can find the bugs and discuss coding style!
Re:One problem with Mandrake
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Arandir
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Actually, there was nothing to fix. It was a "feature". I didn't like it, so I turned it off. Simple.
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Has Slashdot really degenerated to the point that we are forced to read press releases? I thought/. was all about the technical aspects and being geeky/nerdy.
Show me the code dammit! Or at least some screenshots to drool over. I don't want to read a bunch of marketdroidspeak, I get that enough everywhere else. Please bring back the technical content guys!
Not to mention all mandrake binaries are compiled for 586 machines (pentium class and higher) as opposed to redhat being compiled for i386,... if this actually makes a speed difference who knows;P
Just downloaded this to check it out. Very cute. Totally useless eye-candy, but cute nonetheless:-).
The only problem I can see with it is that it only goes graphical for the last bit of the boot sequence, when services are starting up, which on my box lasts about 4-5 seconds. I suppose there's no really feasable way to launch it any earlier. Oh well. Nice work, anyway-- I expect to see this popping up one of of these newfangled "user-obsequious" distros any day:-)
I am basically an NT guy (pays the bills), but have dabbled in Linux for a while, currently using it on a proxy server for my cable modem. Mandrake is Slick. Capital S Slick. I am thinking of using it on a pc for my computer phobic mother. She would use a browser if she had faith in the machine not blowing up on her. So, with the stability of Linux I am thinking I am gonna get a 486 66 going with it for her with only Netscape and AIM (cant remeber the linux port name) for her. cool.
Before it was "sanitized", the druid was named Getafix.
Re:Will RH Buy out Mandrake?
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It would be stupid for RedHat to buy Mandrake. If their smart, they do the same thing to Mandrake that Mandrake is doing to them. Just copy DiskDrake, etc into RedHat's own distro, and add their own new stuff on top!
Re:Uhm... you misunderstood something
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Linux Mandrake != Mandrake the programmer!
He has NOTHING to do with the distro, they simply happen to share the same name.
Has anyone looked at those screenshots? (http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cooker/)
My best guess is that the screenshots are from the "Pidgin English" translation. Either that or they've decided that ease of use depends only on purty graphics and little coloured balls, and not in giving instructions that users have the slighest chance of understanding.
If you want 586 binaries recompile the source. I have several machines, some are 486's, and I perfer to use the same distro on all. 586 binaries prevent me from using some distro's.
I know this has hit several newbies in my LUG. They drag out the 486 and then try to install Stampede or some other Pentium-optimized distro. Really gives them a bad first impression.
Re:sure whatever
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about Mandrake, I just bought an edition from Best Buy (a place virtually ANYONE can get to) of Mandrake 6.0 for less than 30.00. that is 40.00 less than Red Hat wants for thier distro...and I get all of thier distro. It was the MacMillin press version, so I also got a modified Partition Magic, and Boot Magic. to me, this just makes since. It was the first time i tried to install Linux. I got the box, and withing 45 mins, I had partitioned the drives, installed linux, and logged in for the first time. I recommend this for anyone.
Re:Finally Mandrake is giving back something....
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Redhat makes millions off of selling a free operating system (err selling the packaging of the OS)that they didnt write, granted that they have contributed alot to the research and bringing Linux to the desktop, but lets not point fingers. Both companys started as freeloaders. and hopefully mandrake will continue and expand its research and contributions much in the way Redhat has done.
Create a tmp directory inside your home directory to fix lynx.
Re:RedHat can't design GUIs....
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GNOME setup under KDE is pretty cool, Im now running it on my AMD box.
As far as the GNOMElinuxconf under RedHat, goto labs.redhat.com I believe those guys are trying to do too much, with too little. I can't wait until RedHat starts pouring that money into development.
haha.. Im basically a Linux guy, but have worked with NT for awhile (company even paid for my MCP). Im currently using NT as my proxy server for my cable modem:)
Just that it was sorta ironic:)
GAIM is the linux port name. I don't think Man- drake is going to work on your 486. I believe it is only available in a pgcc or eggz version.
You might want to double check. If you can't run it. Just intstall RedHat, and download the Man- drake utilities you like and compile em'. DAMN that's what I really love bout' linux.
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What update wizard?
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Anonymous Coward
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I've looked everywhere for this thing, and all I can find are KPackage and RPM. Is there something else?
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Re:Finally Mandrake is giving back something....
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As others have mentioned, thanks to the very nature of open-source software, if there's something RedHat likes from L-M's enhancements, they can always put it right back into the original...
Loonix
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He probably knew more about Linux that he cared to admit.
Heh, I can't say that that exact thought didn't enter my mind at the time, although it really did seem to be an honest mistake with this particular chap.
Cheers, ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Re:Linux suX
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ppl hoo RItE in MIX'd CAPs SuDO 3NGliSSH SUx, & r VErY Un 3733T Do00ods. Y du they du IT?
ArE they BRAIN ded?
How oLD r theY AND WTF doz 33713 meen?
ppl hoo go ON & ON about WAREZ suc COX!
Don't THEY NO KNOWBODY SPELZ KNOW as NO but as KNOW and KNOW I DONT THINK KNOW is SPELT NO 31THEr.
GET a liFEE U fucking KidZ.
--just my 2 pence worth (it's 8:20 am. in Scotland)
Duh, I was just kidding dude:) It was supposed to be funny. You know the whole.. take RedHat now it's ours.. only it's really better.
Don't be sooo serious dude.. It's just a message board, we are not debating for World Peace:)
On another note, I do appreciate the note that you saw a huge difference on your AMD box. I have a AMD and PII box, I put Mandrake on the PII and didn't see a noticeable difference. I still have the ISO burnt, so I will throw it on my AMD box and test it out. Thanks:)
Bus error in shm access. Want an explanation that probably does you no practical good? Here goes:
Create a shared memory segment which is connected to a memory mapped file. Let the file be n bytes long. Declare the shared memory segment to be n+k bytes long (you are allowed to do so). If you access the shared memory at an offset less than or equal to n all is well. If you access the shared memory segment at an offset greater than n, but within the last (partial) page to which the file was mapped you are still o.k. (depending upon whether your syscall implementation was done according to spec(s)). If you access beyond the declared length of the memory mapping (> n+k) you will get a segmentation fault (SIGSEGV). BUT, if you access the shared memory segment at an offset greater than the last file-mapped page and less than the declared end of the shared memory segment (n+k) you will get a bus error.
Best you can do? Clean up shared memory and hopefully you do rollbacks correctly and can start back up properly.
Doesn't help much does it?
-- "Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
I've just tried it and one thing I like is that the security is tightened up a little. Would have helped someone I know who's RH got hacked into within a couple days. He uses NT and didn't know exactly what to do to make it more secure and now thinks Linux sucks.
working on.. Sysadmin we have 24 Orgin 2000's, 6 Chall.XL's, and 2 E4500's. They are all running one application for different companies. I can't say what it does:)
No cigs here either, gotta go outside, and that sucks cuz there's 38 floors in this building.. good for me that I'm on the 5th.
City, Tampa in the tall building downtown with the Blue and White GTE logos on the side:)
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Re:sorry better formatted..
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I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise.
I tend to agree. The money seems to be in "enterprise" solutions. Perhapse the desktop is a means to this? Gain mindshare with the desktop. Leverage mindshare to generate larger scale business.
Re:Will RH Buy out Mandrake?
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If I was a naive RedHat shareholder who didn't understand fully their business I'd be pushing for RH to do something about Linux-Mandrake - because to me they'd just be profiting off RH's hard work.
I definately see this as an issue for RedHat. It would be naive to think investors in RedHat understand the unique environment RedHat is in. Conventional business "wisdom" may cause some pressure on RedHat. However, I'm not so sure its a given that this would cause RedHat to act.
Let's say Pointy Haired Investor (PHI) is upset because they see Mandrake (or SomeDistro) taking RedHat's offering, adding some tools, and doing well in the marketplace. "Dammit! We need to buy these guys out and get their technology," screams the PHI. "Yea. They have some nice tools," say RedHat, "We'll copy them for free and wrap them into our distribution. And it won't cost the company a cent."
This might be a bit strange to the PHI. Open Source makes for a strange business. After all, anyone (ie: CheapBytes) can sell copies of RedHat's product without one cent going to RedHat. It may put some investors into shock.
But this environment creates great opportunities for someone able to navigate it. Hopefully, RedHat will convince investors that they have a firm grip on the tiller. It'd be a shame to have a RedHat mutany creating a company of Corporate raiders.
ya, it's a wrapper for init not the kernel.. hrm... graphical kernel wrapper. now that'd be damn cool, seeing those nice kernel messages scrolling by in a nice graphical screen. course, it'd have to work with fb* as well as standard vga displays.. maybe if you were interested in doing that you could score a job at corel or something?
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Heheh my thoughts exactly. I bet Red Hat is pissed.
DiskDrake != Disk Druid
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At least with regards to this issue, DiskDrake is a completely different utility than Disk Druid. It's more or less an Open Source Partition Magic-type program./. ran a story on it a while back... it looks like a great program. Especially since PM 4 is running $60-70 nowadays.
Re:*nix
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Getafix is the name in the english version of that comic. The GENUINE, ORIGINAL name is Panoramix I give you the other guys' names : Asterix : the hero Obelix : his friend Idefix : Obelix's dog Assurancetourix : the bard Ordralfabetix : the fish seller Agecanonix : The elder guy of the village Abraracourcix : The chief Cetautomatix : The blacksmith The women have names finishing in 'ine' as Bonemine the wife of the chief. Olivix
Re:*nix
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Getafix is the name in the english version of that comic. The GENUINE, ORIGINAL name is Panoramix I give you the other guys' names : Asterix : the hero Obelix : his friend Idefix : Obelix's dog Assurancetourix : the bard Ordralfabetix : the fish seller Agecanonix : The eldest guy of the village Abraracourcix : The chief Cetautomatix : The blacksmith The women have names finishing in 'ine' as Bonemine the wife of the chief. Olivix
Re:Screenshots please....
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There are screenshots on their site... The screens do not look much more graphic than the classic character+some special linedrawing symbols screens...
Just to let you know, panoramix is the name of a character in a french comic (Asterix). AFAIK, It doesn't have anything to do with most *nix names we know. But in the books, it's a druid...
I've used it, it's pentium optimized via BeroLinux (aka PentOpt RedHat). And contains a bunch of Cool Mandrake Logo's.
It also has an auto upgrade package utility via X/KDE (thou if anyone has figured how to get this to work behind a proxy let me know:).
So basically, if RedHat goes the Pentium Optimized route, and adds this nifty utility, Mandrake will have to go back to the drawing board, and come up with something else to add to someone elses distro to make it their own:)
Also, is DiskDrake really it's own utility, or is it just DiskDruid renamed?
To believe these guys were voted Best Distro... shit they should've just handed the award to Bob Young...hahaha... sorry it's late, Im at work and still have 3 hours to go...
Mandrake is ok. I ran it for awhile on a box at home. I didn't see any noticable performance increases for being pentium optimized, and I couldn't get the AutoUpdate utility to work, so I deleted the partition, and made it my/usr filesys for my redhat install.
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Finally Mandrake is giving back something....
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I don't think of them as freeloaders, but for a while I've considered it unfair that their research efforts have paled next to Red Hat's. Rishon
...RH with extra stuff that RH is going to implement in the next distro anyway.
Oh you mean like taking stuff from free software programmers and bundling it up as your own? Doh!
I bought the cheapbytes Mandrake just because KDE and Gnome was on it. Also because it didn't cost 78 bucks. (let the newbies buy that!) I thought it was great, but of course Mandrake doesn't own it. From their website...
Currently Mandrake is the only, or has been the first main Linux distribution to have the most advanced internationalization support...
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Windows is only free if you threaten to use Linux.
does anyone actually use this distro? everything i've read about it seems to make it out to be just RH with extra stuff that RH is going to implement in the next distro anyway. sure it sounds spiffy, but except for ease of install, (which i havent actually tried on mandrake), is there any reason at all to switch to mandrake? maybe if i was a complete newbie to linux it might be usefull, but what about the rest of us?
I once had a chat with some Caldera Systems coders that I was doing some work with on a project, some months back, on the subject of RedHat's open-sourcedness.
One of the things they pointed out is that they've never, ever seen the source code for Disk Druid, no matter where they looked.
Of course, I suggested that it's possible the author was so embarrased by the lackluster quality of that heaving pile of digital manure that he compiled it as staticly linked object code and wiped the source to hide his shame before offing himself out of personal disgust, but that's just my opinion.
personally i like the way the SuSE partitioner works, if only it would let you add nfs mounts.
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Re:sure whatever
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From their website...
Currently Mandrake is the only, or has been the first main Linux distribution to have the most advanced internationalization support...
You forgot the end of the sentence, it is: Currently Mandrake is the only, or has been the first main Linux distribution to have the most advanced internationalization support for/with those packages: and follows a list of packages that have improved or new i18n support. It doesn't mean that Mandrake is the only one which has some i18n support; but that it is ahead or has bee nahead for the following packages.
agreed, and a new install will be better
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The Red Hat installation tool is horrible. It's clearly designed only to be used by people who only give the right answers. If I had that knowledge and skill, I wouldn't need an installer at all.
I used Red Hat for a while, but was repeatedly disappointed in the (many) rough edges in Gnome.
Mandrake feels much better than Red HAt, but so far, Caldera's install is the best I've seen. I'll get a CD from cheapbytes with the new Mandrake, to try theirs.
Because Linux has not yet convinced me to commit a product development to it, I have the luxury of trying and retrying distributions.
I note with interest that Caldera is the only one which has correctly set up X for either of my video cards. I'll be very interested to see whether Mandrake gets it right in the new installer.
I was think of downloading, replacing all the Linux-Mandrake Logo's with my own. Burn some CD's, call it Linux-Raster, and then see if MacMillian will package and sell it for $21.95 at CompUSA...
You think I could win Best Linux Distro next year at LinuxExpo?
Whatta guys think, anyone wanna make a buck... hahaha..
You've got to be kidding? It's like 2am.. You have got to have NO LIFE AT ALL.. to be sitting around just to await a new article on/. Just so you can post Linux suX... hahahahaha... This is cracking me up... I needed a laugh, just when I thought I was getting bummed here at work I found a total loser to lift my spirits...
hahaha... sorry.. it's late and it is now tradi- tion that everyone flames the first poster:)
I use Mandrake, and I've been very pleased with it. If you want Red Hat, but don't want the bugs or Gnome, then Mandrake is your best bet. In fact, I'd say a great deal of care is put into making Mandrake a user oriented system rather than a general purpose or even server system. This is demonstrated by the easy install, diskdrake, and KDE as the default window manager.
hahaha... actually I have used SuSE, I liked it too:) I'm just familiar with RedHat.
I have 1 AMD box, 1 PII Box, and two old sun boxes. The AMD is running Mandrake now, I have 2 486's in various stages of repair. This and the other thread have really motivated me to get them up and running, and play with more Distro's. I was planning on putting SuSE on one, and saving the other for FreeBSD instead of Linux...
About FreeBSD I like it too, however it reminds me of my 96 Slackware install:) No tools, and FVWM:) Stable as hell tho! And driver's... who needs stinkin drivers:)
1) compiled with pentium optimization. On my AMD K6, I see a HUGE improvement because of this. 2) better i18n support 3) updated packages 4) different kernel, initscripts, etc. 5) different package selections, both in the basic "disk one", and also in the "contrib" and "commercial" disks. 6) bero utilities 7) cheaper price with a longer support period
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Mandrake does use RH's work, but they've done a LOT to really put it together in a solid, useful way. RH got a little too accustomed to doing things the same old accustomed way -- Mandrake is perhaps waking them up.
And Mandrake isn't being stingy about it, either -- they're putting cool stuff they make out there as free software.
Mind you, I'm a fanatical Debian user, but I still know what works and when:-). Mandrake is a good, solid distro, and currently, I would choose it before Redhat for any use.
I used it before switching over from Linux to BeOS. There are some package differences but the main thing is that Redhat focuses on Gnome as their "frontrunner" desktop environment, while Mandrake places KDE in it's place. There are a few things I liked about Mandrake 6 that Redhat did not have.
1) A update wizard, using it you could with just a few clicks contact the Mandrake update website and download/install updated rpms
2) When Mandrake 6 was released they also released an official ISO for those of us with cd-writers. This was an excellent step that saved me a lot of trouble. Finding a official Redhat 6 ISO was impossible for me, I had to go through 2 custom baked ones before I found one that worked.
3) Mandrake 6 release had KDE Themes, Redhat 6 didn't. As an interesting side effect I've noticed that on my system (celeron 300 (no not overclocked;p) 128mb ram, and TNT card) KDE Theme manager FLEW, it allowed me to change themes on the fly as opposed to E which pauses for about 10 seconds before displaying the new theme. I found this actually rather strange since so many people claim KDE to be slow.
Anyway that's just my two cents;) I'm in BeOS now though and I doubt I'll be touching Linux again any time soon. I do miss themes but I can live without them;)
Hope this answers some of your questions
First Posters Suck
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If it wasn't for them I'd be first myself...the horror...the horror...
I'm scepticle about this myself. On the one hand I think RH is a great company - writing and paying for Free software. However now they've had an IPO - they're partly at the mercy of their shareholders. If I was a naive RedHat shareholder who didn't understand fully their business I'd be pushing for RH to do something about Linux-Mandrake - because to me they'd just be profiting off RH's hard work.
One easy way out for RH would be to buy out Mandrake. Now I know that because it's all open source, someone else could just as easily take up the batton for Mandrakesoft. However there are issues like support and infrastructure that can't just spring up out of nowhere. They take investment and time to build up.
Well, it's something to think about - welcome to the world of corporate takeovers:) (that's if it ever happens...)
Matt. (Linux-Mandrake user for nearly a year now).
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Re:Will RH Buy out Mandrake?
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Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one. If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves. A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one. RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts. Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete. I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete. But thats my $0.02.
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Uhm... you misunderstood something
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The Mandrake distib has nothing to do with THE Mandrake person.
Re:Uhm... you misunderstood something
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Yeah, right. And Linux has nothing to do with Linus. Mandrake rocks, his distro rocks, etc.
Re:*nix
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Actually, *ix is a very common suffix in gallic names, e.g. Vercingetorix, the famous gallic chief who was finally defeated by Jules Cesar. There is a very famous (and very funny) french comic, "Asterix", where the names of all the gallic characters accordingly end in *ix, so as to make a pun (i.e., Asterix=asterisque=asterisk). The story is about a small village which resists to the roman invader because the druid of the village has the secret of a magic potion giving a surhuman strength. How is this *druid* called ? you guessed it, Panoramix...
My Caldera 2.2 boot sequence is sorta like that. You don't see the actual kernel messages when you boot but you do see from the point you start initializing the modules. It has a graphical "ne2k . . . OK" type list for the rest of the process including programs started from init until KDM starts. Very slick.
To get the actual kernel messages as they start up would be a bit harder, it would have to be programmed into the bootloader because, obviously, the kernel isn't loaded yet and you can't run any programs.
At least on my distro all kernel, init and syslog messages are automatically output to tty9-12. Unfortunately no backscrolling support.
i do believe that caldera has one too. but, for me it is still a moot point because i still find it easier to install using redhat's installer(glint i presume).
the reasons are not because of coolness of looks but because of its easy to use interfact.
caldera has its pluses too. first of all, its installer autodetects much of my hardware automagically while glint does not detect my i740 because of problems with xfree 3.3.3 but i was able to download the rpms somewhere. second, caldera has a cool tetris game to play while waiting.
i have not see panorama yet but i am downloading it right now.
what if panorama cannot detect your video card while loading the installer?
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Bugs in Mandrake
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A lot of mandrake command line tools are broken. Their kernel seems to have bugs too. Try dumping a core on mandrake 2.2.9. Lots of people get hanging processes they cant kill
I think it had (at one time) to do with the fact that unix is a TradeMark of AT&T or someone. So *nix is not a TradeMark of anyone. Except *.* Incorporated:) http://www.bombcar.com It's where it is at.
Could someone please post screenshots of this thing? Seems like something really interesting...
I'll probably going to check this out in a few days, but how does it work: does it boot off a CD directly into a minimal GUI interface? (like Caldera or Corel) If it's written in perl I'm not too sure...
One problem with Mandrake
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When I used to use Mandrake 5.x there was this "feature" they added in KDE where some device icons are created for you when you start up. Unfortunately every time you deleted these, they would come back next time. Did they fix this in Mandrake 6.0?
So, when discussing a graphical installation, I have to promote my graphical boot! It wraps araound init and shows nice icons along the text. I designed it after a discussion here at/., so I think it's apropriate to post this... And anyway, it's name isn't just any word plus ix:)
it is 2pm here in south-east-asia, just slacking off for a break. i think you are the only no life stuck in a job at two in the morning... hahahah.....
Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one.
If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves.
A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one.
RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts.
Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete.
I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete.
But thats my $0.02.
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6.0 has KDE and GNOME
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and you can also get it at cheapbytes for $1.99 so whats your point?
Well the KDE setup is better on Mandrake than it is on RedHat, I've never tried Mandrakes GNOME setup however.
RedHat's GNOME default set up is appalling and almost put me off GNOME but then I installed it myself and was impressed. RedHat just can't setup GUI's if their life depended on it. Take a look at GNOME-linuxconf and compare it to the KDE-linuxconf used in Mandrake, yes the GNOME linuxconf was written by a RedHat developer and for such a useful tool they should have put a lot more effort to it.
Good luck to those like Mandrake who are putting the final touches to RedHat which basically is a reasonable distributionbut they are just terrible at implementing GUI's.
Remember the FVWM days. RedHat's FVWM 95 setup was the worst around (every icon on the taskbar was a RedHat logo), RPM is a great package manager but Glint is just plain awful.
Their console based setup tools however are good, so seriously I think they should just invest their money into people who can but a good GUI together.
Actually they contribute quite a lot recently
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Considering that they're probably a much smaller company than RedHat, they do quite a lot, like the Lothar autodetection project, or hiring two KDE coders (Faure and Mosfet).
On the contrary I'd expect RedHat to do a lot more with regard to development, but their RHAD Labs staff is still quite limited in size...
Their high market value has a lot to do with the notion that RedHat = Linux (for the suits), so they ought to give back much more than they do now.
I think it's because a lot of people actually think it's "Lunix." I even heard it again just late last week when I called a bookstore -- I asked for it by ISBN, and the guy, even though he was reading the title straight off the screen, still pronounced it "Lunix" every single time.
But I thought Linux was already so simple to install that everyone and their grandmothers could easily do it in 20 minutes.
Overlooking, of course, the fact that most members of Linus's own family don't use Linux, either -- I have a strong suspicion that they're being paid off by those masterminds of evil, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.
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what exactly are you working on?
i don't have any big equipment, i have been working among indigo, o2 and octanes. quite frankly i think the o2 really sucks, maybe it's just the hardware that are old.
no cigs allow here, too bad.
you are currently at eastern time, i believe you could be in north america. what city?
oh, about your ass, i would welcome you with a matt plated with broken glass, and then tide you on a rotating chair, how about that?
Yeah! Post code instead of press releases! Then we can find the bugs and discuss coding style!
Actually, there was nothing to fix. It was a "feature". I didn't like it, so I turned it off. Simple.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Show me the code dammit! Or at least some screenshots to drool over. I don't want to read a bunch of marketdroidspeak, I get that enough everywhere else. Please bring back the technical content guys!
Where's BoredAtWork and his cluestick?!
The more you know, the less you understand.
Not to mention all mandrake binaries are compiled for 586 machines (pentium class and higher) as opposed to redhat being compiled for i386,... if this actually makes a speed difference who knows ;P
The only problem I can see with it is that it only goes graphical for the last bit of the boot sequence, when services are starting up, which on my box lasts about 4-5 seconds. I suppose there's no really feasable way to launch it any earlier. Oh well. Nice work, anyway-- I expect to see this popping up one of of these newfangled "user-obsequious" distros any day :-)
There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
I am basically an NT guy (pays the bills), but have dabbled in Linux for a while, currently using it on a proxy server for my cable modem. Mandrake is Slick. Capital S Slick. I am thinking of using it on a pc for my computer phobic mother. She would use a browser if she had faith in the machine not blowing up on her. So, with the stability of Linux I am thinking I am gonna get a 486 66 going with it for her with only Netscape and AIM (cant remeber the linux port name) for her. cool.
matt
Only about 80% of all Linux users :)
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Before it was "sanitized", the druid was named Getafix.
It would be stupid for RedHat to buy Mandrake. If their smart, they do the same thing to Mandrake that Mandrake is doing to them. Just copy DiskDrake, etc into RedHat's own distro, and add their own new stuff on top!
Linux Mandrake != Mandrake the programmer!
He has NOTHING to do with the distro, they simply happen to share the same name.
Has anyone looked at those screenshots? (http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cooker/)
My best guess is that the screenshots are from the "Pidgin English" translation. Either that or they've decided that ease of use depends only on purty graphics and little coloured balls, and not in giving instructions that users have the slighest chance of understanding.
If you want 586 binaries recompile the source. I have several machines, some are 486's, and I perfer to use the same distro on all. 586 binaries prevent me from using some distro's.
I know this has hit several newbies in my LUG. They drag out the 486 and then try to install Stampede or some other Pentium-optimized distro. Really gives them a bad first impression.
about Mandrake, I just bought an edition from Best Buy (a place virtually ANYONE can get to) of Mandrake 6.0 for less than 30.00. that is 40.00 less than Red Hat wants for thier distro...and I get all of thier distro. It was the MacMillin press version, so I also got a modified Partition Magic, and Boot Magic. to me, this just makes since. It was the first time i tried to install Linux. I got the box, and withing 45 mins, I had partitioned the drives, installed linux, and logged in for the first time. I recommend this for anyone.
Redhat makes millions off of selling a free operating system (err selling the packaging of the OS)that they didnt write, granted that they have contributed alot to the research and bringing Linux to the desktop, but lets not point fingers. Both companys started as freeloaders. and hopefully mandrake will continue and expand its research and contributions much in the way Redhat has done.
Did anyone get lynx to work in Mandrake? It dies saying it can't create temporary file or something. What's up with that?
I also heard there is some kind of problem with gdb in Mandrake. Is that true?
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
GNOME setup under KDE is pretty cool, Im now
running it on my AMD box.
As far as the GNOMElinuxconf under RedHat, goto
labs.redhat.com I believe those guys are trying
to do too much, with too little. I can't wait
until RedHat starts pouring that money into
development.
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haha.. Im basically a Linux guy, but have worked
with NT for awhile (company even paid for my MCP).
Im currently using NT as my proxy server for my
cable modem:)
Just that it was sorta ironic:)
GAIM is the linux port name. I don't think Man-
drake is going to work on your 486. I believe it
is only available in a pgcc or eggz version.
You might want to double check. If you can't run
it. Just intstall RedHat, and download the Man-
drake utilities you like and compile em'. DAMN
that's what I really love bout' linux.
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I've looked everywhere for this thing, and all I can find are KPackage and RPM. Is there something else?
unIX
irIX
aIX
hpUX (okay, so it doesn't work...)
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
As others have mentioned, thanks to the very nature of open-source software, if there's something RedHat likes from L-M's enhancements, they can always put it right back into the original...
He probably knew more about Linux that he cared to admit.
ppl hoo RItE in MIX'd CAPs SuDO 3NGliSSH SUx, & r VErY Un 3733T Do00ods. Y du they du IT?
ArE they BRAIN ded?
How oLD r theY AND WTF doz 33713 meen?
ppl hoo go ON & ON about WAREZ suc COX!
Don't THEY NO KNOWBODY SPELZ KNOW as NO but as KNOW and KNOW I DONT THINK KNOW is SPELT NO 31THEr.
GET a liFEE U fucking KidZ.
--just my 2 pence worth
(it's 8:20 am. in Scotland)
Duh, I was just kidding dude:) It was supposed .. only it's really better.
to be funny. You know the whole.. take RedHat
now it's ours
Don't be sooo serious dude.. It's just a message
board, we are not debating for World Peace:)
On another note, I do appreciate the note that you saw a huge difference on your AMD box. I have a AMD and PII box, I put Mandrake on the PII and didn't see a noticeable difference. I still
have the ISO burnt, so I will throw it on my AMD box and test it out. Thanks:)
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actually, they optimized the kernel for pentiums, included a nicely cleaned up version of KDE, fixed alot of bugs and added a great update tool.
I like Mandrake alot. It's RedHat but made well.
it's not that so much as the fact that Mandrake comes out a few weeks after Red Hat so they catch all the little bugs.
.iso image for download
:-)
Plus providing an
It's like they they re-package Red Hat with added *love* (awwwwwwww)
Create a shared memory segment which is connected to a memory mapped file. Let the file be n bytes long. Declare the shared memory segment to be n+k bytes long (you are allowed to do so). If you access the shared memory at an offset less than or equal to n all is well. If you access the shared memory segment at an offset greater than n, but within the last (partial) page to which the file was mapped you are still o.k. (depending upon whether your syscall implementation was done according to spec(s)). If you access beyond the declared length of the memory mapping (> n+k) you will get a segmentation fault (SIGSEGV). BUT, if you access the shared memory segment at an offset greater than the last file-mapped page and less than the declared end of the shared memory segment (n+k) you will get a bus error.
Best you can do? Clean up shared memory and hopefully you do rollbacks correctly and can start back up properly.
Doesn't help much does it?
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
I've just tried it and one thing I like is that the security is tightened up a little. Would have helped someone I know who's RH got hacked into within a couple days. He uses NT and didn't know exactly what to do to make it more secure and now thinks Linux sucks.
Pork is not a verb
working on.. Sysadmin we have 24 Orgin 2000's,
6 Chall.XL's, and 2 E4500's. They are all running one application for different companies.
I can't say what it does:)
No cigs here either, gotta go outside, and that
sucks cuz there's 38 floors in this building..
good for me that I'm on the 5th.
City, Tampa in the tall building downtown with the
Blue and White GTE logos on the side:)
..Your mother's so fat, that when she "hauls ass" she has to make two trips"
:)
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I tend to agree. The money seems to be in "enterprise" solutions. Perhapse the desktop is a means to this? Gain mindshare with the desktop. Leverage mindshare to generate larger scale business.
I definately see this as an issue for RedHat. It would be naive to think investors in RedHat understand the unique environment RedHat is in. Conventional business "wisdom" may cause some pressure on RedHat. However, I'm not so sure its a given that this would cause RedHat to act.
Let's say Pointy Haired Investor (PHI) is upset because they see Mandrake (or SomeDistro) taking RedHat's offering, adding some tools, and doing well in the marketplace. "Dammit! We need to buy these guys out and get their technology," screams the PHI. "Yea. They have some nice tools," say RedHat, "We'll copy them for free and wrap them into our distribution. And it won't cost the company a cent."
This might be a bit strange to the PHI. Open Source makes for a strange business. After all, anyone (ie: CheapBytes) can sell copies of RedHat's product without one cent going to RedHat. It may put some investors into shock.
But this environment creates great opportunities for someone able to navigate it. Hopefully, RedHat will convince investors that they have a firm grip on the tiller. It'd be a shame to have a RedHat mutany creating a company of Corporate raiders.
ya, it's a wrapper for init not the kernel.. hrm... graphical kernel wrapper. now that'd be damn cool, seeing those nice kernel messages scrolling by in a nice graphical screen. course, it'd have to work with fb* as well as standard vga displays.. maybe if you were interested in doing that you could score a job at corel or something?
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Heheh my thoughts exactly. I bet Red Hat is pissed.
At least with regards to this issue, DiskDrake is a completely different utility than Disk Druid. It's more or less an Open Source Partition Magic-type program. /. ran a story on it a while back ... it looks like a great program. Especially since PM 4 is running $60-70 nowadays.
Getafix is the name in the english version of that comic. The GENUINE, ORIGINAL name is Panoramix I give you the other guys' names : Asterix : the hero Obelix : his friend Idefix : Obelix's dog Assurancetourix : the bard Ordralfabetix : the fish seller Agecanonix : The elder guy of the village Abraracourcix : The chief Cetautomatix : The blacksmith The women have names finishing in 'ine' as Bonemine the wife of the chief. Olivix
Getafix is the name in the english version of that comic. The GENUINE, ORIGINAL name is Panoramix I give you the other guys' names : Asterix : the hero Obelix : his friend Idefix : Obelix's dog Assurancetourix : the bard Ordralfabetix : the fish seller Agecanonix : The eldest guy of the village Abraracourcix : The chief Cetautomatix : The blacksmith The women have names finishing in 'ine' as Bonemine the wife of the chief. Olivix
There are screenshots on their site... The screens do not look much more graphic than the classic character+some special linedrawing symbols screens...
Seems to me just another of those any-dictionary-word-ended-with-ix programs :)
It's kinda beginning to wear off
I've used it, it's pentium optimized via BeroLinux (aka PentOpt RedHat). And contains a bunch of Cool Mandrake Logo's.
/usr filesys for my redhat install.
It also has an auto upgrade package utility via
X/KDE (thou if anyone has figured how to get this to work behind a proxy let me know:).
So basically, if RedHat goes the Pentium Optimized route, and adds this nifty utility, Mandrake will have to go back to the drawing board, and come up with something else to add to someone elses distro to make it their own:)
Also, is DiskDrake really it's own utility, or is it just DiskDruid renamed?
To believe these guys were voted Best Distro... shit they should've just handed the award to Bob Young...hahaha... sorry it's late, Im at work and still have 3 hours to go...
Mandrake is ok. I ran it for awhile on a box at home. I didn't see any noticable performance increases for being pentium optimized, and I couldn't get the AutoUpdate utility to work, so I deleted the partition, and made it my
:)
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I don't think of them as freeloaders, but for a while I've considered it unfair that their research efforts have paled next to Red Hat's. Rishon
...RH with extra stuff that RH is going to implement in the next distro anyway.
...
Oh you mean like taking stuff from free software programmers and bundling it up as your own? Doh!
I bought the cheapbytes Mandrake just because KDE and Gnome was on it. Also because it didn't cost 78 bucks. (let the newbies buy that!) I thought it was great, but of course Mandrake doesn't own it. From their website...
Currently Mandrake is the only, or has been the first main Linux distribution to have the most advanced internationalization support
Linux is only free if your time has no value. Windows is only free if you threaten to use Linux.
does anyone actually use this distro? everything i've read about it seems to make it out to be just RH with extra stuff that RH is going to implement in the next distro anyway. sure it sounds spiffy, but except for ease of install, (which i havent actually tried on mandrake), is there any reason at all to switch to mandrake? maybe if i was a complete newbie to linux it might be usefull, but what about the rest of us?
The Red Hat installation tool is horrible. It's clearly designed only to be used by people who only give the right answers. If I had that knowledge and skill, I wouldn't need an installer at all.
I used Red Hat for a while, but was repeatedly disappointed in the (many) rough edges in Gnome.
Mandrake feels much better than Red HAt, but so far, Caldera's install is the best I've seen. I'll get a CD from cheapbytes with the new Mandrake, to try theirs.
Because Linux has not yet convinced me to commit a product development to it, I have the luxury of trying and retrying distributions.
I note with interest that Caldera is the only one which has correctly set up X for either of my video cards. I'll be very interested to see whether Mandrake gets it right in the new installer.
--- Bill
I was think of downloading, replacing all the Linux-Mandrake Logo's with my own. Burn some CD's, call it Linux-Raster, and then see if MacMillian will package and sell it for $21.95 at CompUSA...
You think I could win Best Linux Distro next year at LinuxExpo?
Whatta guys think, anyone wanna make a buck...
hahaha..
sorry couldn't resist;)
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You've got to be kidding? It's like 2am.. You /. Just
have got to have NO LIFE AT ALL.. to be sitting
around just to await a new article on
so you can post Linux suX... hahahahaha...
This is cracking me up... I needed a laugh, just
when I thought I was getting bummed here at work
I found a total loser to lift my spirits...
hahaha... sorry.. it's late and it is now tradi-
tion that everyone flames the first poster:)
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I use Mandrake, and I've been very pleased with it. If you want Red Hat, but don't want the bugs or Gnome, then Mandrake is your best bet. In fact, I'd say a great deal of care is put into making Mandrake a user oriented system rather than a general purpose or even server system. This is demonstrated by the easy install, diskdrake, and KDE as the default window manager.
and I'm not just saying that.
Mandrake does use RH's work, but they've done a LOT to really put it together in a solid, useful way. RH got a little too accustomed to doing things the same old accustomed way -- Mandrake is perhaps waking them up.
:-). Mandrake is a good, solid distro, and currently, I would choose it before Redhat for any use.
And Mandrake isn't being stingy about it, either -- they're putting cool stuff they make out there as free software.
Mind you, I'm a fanatical Debian user, but I still know what works and when
-Billy
A graphical installation will had many windows users that have been axiously waiting for a easy to install distibution for linux.. -- Linx Go forth and kick ass. Digital Theater(News for Artists, Indie Film makers and Nerds).
I used it before switching over from Linux to BeOS. There are some package differences but the main thing is that Redhat focuses on Gnome as their "frontrunner" desktop environment, while Mandrake places KDE in it's place. There are a few things I liked about Mandrake 6 that Redhat did not have.
;p) 128mb ram, and TNT card) KDE Theme manager FLEW, it allowed me to change themes on the fly as opposed to E which pauses for about 10 seconds before displaying the new theme. I found this actually rather strange since so many people claim KDE to be slow.
;) I'm in BeOS now though and I doubt I'll be touching Linux again any time soon. I do miss themes but I can live without them ;)
1) A update wizard, using it you could with just a few clicks contact the Mandrake update website and download/install updated rpms
2) When Mandrake 6 was released they also released an official ISO for those of us with cd-writers. This was an excellent step that saved me a lot of trouble. Finding a official Redhat 6 ISO was impossible for me, I had to go through 2 custom baked ones before I found one that worked.
3) Mandrake 6 release had KDE Themes, Redhat 6 didn't. As an interesting side effect I've noticed that on my system (celeron 300 (no not overclocked
Anyway that's just my two cents
Hope this answers some of your questions
If it wasn't for them I'd be first myself...the horror...the horror...
hahahahahahahahahahaha...hahahaha..
hahahahaha...hahahah..
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It's 8 a.m. in continental Europe. The early bird catches the first post.
to work on E, work at VA, and come up with his own distribution the beats RH at their own game. He rocks.
Damn.. and I did an ...then an
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hahaha:)
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oops submitted html...
i did an : onmode -kuy , since it was hosed
and then oninit..:) didn't waste anytime:)
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Kinda reminds you of the people who are first to post "M$" to a story about Microsoft huh?
I'm scepticle about this myself. On the one hand I think RH is a great company - writing and paying for Free software. However now they've had an IPO - they're partly at the mercy of their shareholders. If I was a naive RedHat shareholder who didn't understand fully their business I'd be pushing for RH to do something about Linux-Mandrake - because to me they'd just be profiting off RH's hard work.
:) (that's if it ever happens...)
,hacker Perl another Just)'
One easy way out for RH would be to buy out Mandrake. Now I know that because it's all open source, someone else could just as easily take up the batton for Mandrakesoft. However there are issues like support and infrastructure that can't just spring up out of nowhere. They take investment and time to build up.
Well, it's something to think about - welcome to the world of corporate takeovers
Matt. (Linux-Mandrake user for nearly a year now).
perl -e 'print scalar reverse q(\)-:
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
The Mandrake distib has nothing to do with THE Mandrake person.
Actually, *ix is a very common suffix in gallic names, e.g. Vercingetorix, the famous gallic chief who was finally defeated by Jules Cesar. There is a very famous (and very funny) french comic, "Asterix", where the names of all the gallic characters accordingly end in *ix, so as to make a pun (i.e., Asterix=asterisque=asterisk). The story is about a small village which resists to the roman invader because the druid of the village has the secret of a magic potion giving a surhuman strength. How is this *druid* called ? you guessed it, Panoramix...
My Caldera 2.2 boot sequence is sorta like that. You don't see the actual kernel messages when you boot but you do see from the point you start initializing the modules. It has a graphical "ne2k . . . OK" type list for the rest of the process including programs started from init until KDM starts. Very slick.
To get the actual kernel messages as they start up would be a bit harder, it would have to be programmed into the bootloader because, obviously, the kernel isn't loaded yet and you can't run any programs.
At least on my distro all kernel, init and syslog messages are automatically output to tty9-12. Unfortunately no backscrolling support.
-- Remember: Wherever you go, there you are!
Could you send me the URL for the Panoramix download? I haven't been able to find it in Cooker.
i do believe that caldera has one too. but, for me it is still a moot point because i still find it easier to install using redhat's installer(glint i presume).
the reasons are not because of coolness of looks but because of its easy to use interfact.
caldera has its pluses too. first of all, its installer autodetects much of my hardware automagically while glint does not detect my i740 because of problems with xfree 3.3.3 but i was able to download the rpms somewhere. second, caldera has a cool tetris game to play while waiting.
i have not see panorama yet but i am downloading it right now.
what if panorama cannot detect your video card while loading the installer?
***chicken wolf***
A lot of mandrake command line tools are broken. Their kernel seems to have bugs too. Try dumping a core on mandrake 2.2.9. Lots of people get hanging processes they cant kill
I have that was sarcasm. ;)
errr hope, not have
my bad
I think it had (at one time) to do with the fact that unix is a TradeMark of AT&T or someone. So *nix is not a TradeMark of anyone. Except *.* Incorporated :)
http://www.bombcar.com It's where it is at.
Fellowship 9/11
The code is already avalaible from many places: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cooker
Could someone please post screenshots of this thing? Seems like something really interesting...
I'll probably going to check this out in a few days, but how does it work: does it boot off a CD directly into a minimal GUI interface? (like Caldera or Corel) If it's written in perl I'm not too sure...
Somebody enlighten this poor bloke please...
amit
hahahahahahahahahahahaha...
got me on that one:)
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When I used to use Mandrake 5.x there was this "feature" they added in KDE where some device icons are created for you when you start up. Unfortunately every time you deleted these, they would come back next time. Did they fix this in Mandrake 6.0?
Crash. Explain
rotfl...
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So, when discussing a graphical installation, I have to promote my graphical boot! It wraps araound init and shows nice icons along the text. I designed it after a discussion here at /., so I think it's apropriate to post this... And anyway, it's name isn't just any word plus ix :)
Aurora is available here.
--The knowledge that you are an idiot, is what distinguishes you from one.
22:45:06 Assert Failed: Internal Error - Bus Error
22:45:06 Who: Session(6584, xxx@xxxxxx, 23508, 1883654100)
Thread(1267716, sqlexec, 70450718, 1)
22:45:06 Results: OnLine must abort
22:45:06 Action: Reintialize shared memory...
bla bla bla..
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it is 2pm here in south-east-asia, just slacking off for a break. i think you are the only no life stuck in a job at two in the morning... hahahah.....
Buying out Mandrake is not an option for RedHat, and if it is, it's a dumb one.
If RedHat were to buy out Mandrake, three others would download RedHat and make it there own before the ink was dry on the press release... why, so they can get bought themselves.
A buyout would work in a closed source situation, but not in this one.
RedHat may be in a lose lose situation. If RedHat
doubles R&D efforts, and really amazes the community with it's next release, it won't really matter. Mandrake will download, wait 3 weeks for the first salvo of updates, include them, and package. no gripe, just the facts.
Redhat in the past has really pushed Linux for the desktop, and has done ALOT to make it easier for the newbie. But this is a realm where Mandrake can compete.
I do think RedHat will have to refocus to the Enterprise. I do not see any other distro, that
has the funds, to provide the support that RedHat
is capable of. RedHat should maintain their current position in the desktop market keeping continuous pressure on Mandrake, while pushing hard in the Enterprise Market where others cannot compete.
But thats my $0.02.
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and you can also get it at cheapbytes for $1.99 so whats your point?
Well the KDE setup is better on Mandrake than it is on RedHat, I've never tried Mandrakes GNOME setup however.
RedHat's GNOME default set up is appalling and almost put me off GNOME but then I installed it myself and was impressed. RedHat just can't setup GUI's if their life depended on it. Take a look at GNOME-linuxconf and compare it to the KDE-linuxconf used in Mandrake, yes the GNOME linuxconf was written by a RedHat developer and for such a useful tool they should have put a lot more effort to it.
Good luck to those like Mandrake who are putting the final touches to RedHat which basically is a reasonable distributionbut they are just terrible at implementing GUI's.
Remember the FVWM days. RedHat's FVWM 95 setup was the worst around (every icon on the taskbar was a RedHat logo), RPM is a great package manager but Glint is just plain awful.
Their console based setup tools however are good, so seriously I think they should just invest their money into people who can but a good GUI together.
Considering that they're probably a much smaller company than RedHat, they do quite a lot, like the Lothar autodetection project, or hiring two KDE coders (Faure and Mosfet).
On the contrary I'd expect RedHat to do a lot more with regard to development, but their RHAD Labs staff is still quite limited in size...
Their high market value has a lot to do with the notion that RedHat = Linux (for the suits), so they ought to give back much more than they do now.
Glint is an old packaging tool in the redhat 5.x days. As I understand the installer has no name.
side note: Does debian's installer have a name? (I'm betting it does, but it is unpublicized)
Why do people say *nix anyway? Its unix and linUX not linix. Just wondering, it seems kinda weird.
But I thought Linux was already so simple to install that everyone and their grandmothers could easily do it in 20 minutes.
Overlooking, of course, the fact that most members of Linus's own family don't use Linux, either -- I have a strong suspicion that they're being paid off by those masterminds of evil, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.
:)
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
"i think you are the only no life stuck in a job at two in the morning... hahahah....."
hahahahaha... hahahaha.. rofl.. that was GREAT!
Man, wish you would've have given me more to keep
this "putdown" thread going...:)
how bout...
If I had your face, I would shave my
ass and walk backwards:)
Seriously, the Job is cool as shit, and it pays really well.. it just get's reeeeeeally slooooow.
We got buncha Orgin2k's and a couple of SunE4500's
I had one informix crash and smoked alot of cigar-
ettes..
(ok that was alot of info, someone keep this
thread going:)
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