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Linux Turns 8
Skogshuggarn writes "The initial public release of Linux - version 0.01 - occurred on the 17th September 1991. The world's best operating system is therefore 8 years old this Friday.
Happy Birthday " Seems like only yesterday that our little kernel was in potty training, and now here it is all grown up and ready for
world domination.
Looks to me like it's actually GMT instead of EDT.
Nope, world.std.com was selling access earlier then that. But they were selling access to their machines, which just HAPPENED to be on the internet.. ;-P
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
On a side note, this was posted as anon. coward because i forgot my logon, not because i am not registered. If you want to respond to this privately, use scooby@pronetisp.net
The GNU tools are a separate project on its own.
When Linux was released, there are a complete set of GNU tools working on UNIX-like systems. If Linux was (and is now) too tied to them, is because there was not (and there is still not (no, I'm not forgot GNU HURD, but HURD is not ready yet)) an official GNU kernel, so Linux took the vacant.
So today is only the Linux birthday. Somewhere at GNU.ORG you can get the GNU project/tools birthday...
--- Sueños del Sur - a webcomic about four young siblings
No, you can't make that comparison. NT is still loaded with code that's been around since DOS, and OS's with Linux as the kernel are generally loaded with code from GNU that's been around a similar amount of time.
Unless you want to compare the NT kernel with the Linux kernel... :-) (But who can separate the NT kernel from anything... heck, you can't even pull it away from the GUI!)
Tux predates 2.0. I think it was around 1.3 something. I think 2.0 was the first to include the pengiun in the kernel release, though..
-- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
Ever heard of the Mozilla project? That's the Nestcape source code....
And IMHO, I think IE is a helluva lot better than Netscape.
- Damnit, I'm dead Jim
Sorry, do not pass go and collect 10 quid.
SLS was the first distro as I recall. Came
on many floppies. Long gone by now, of course.
The real (live) Tux was adopted 1997-01-27 (http://penguin.uk.linux.org/).
It's 11pm, do you know what your deamons are up to?
This guy Ghandi's got me impressed. "First they laugh at you...," that's witty stuff. I wonder if he bears any relationship to a guy who did some big things in India, who's name was Gandhi?
but otherwise have been left behind by the Linux movement and its creator
No one's leaving you behind. You're staying there of your own free will.
I naively hope the focus will return to technical things and all the non-techs will forget about Linux
Naive, no. A tad pretentious and self-centered? Perhaps.
Your word's echo many a Punker's lament "I remember those guys...their first record was Excellent. After that, they got popular and they sucked. I used to listen to 'em when...blah blah blah"
I've been guilty of it myself, and come to the realization that when I do that, I'm looking for Status and Approval from my audience, whomever they may be. Trust me, it's a waste of time and earns you nothing but closed ears. Self-professed 'old-timers' are some of the Greatest Bores around.
I like running scaled-down systems on slower computers too. I have a lean and mean SuSE system running on a 486 Compaq laptop which is a total blast.
Try grabbing a low-end Celeron system (you should be able to find one fully loaded for around $300) and check out some of the new 'bloat ware' that everyone's gabbing about. It's fun and extremely interesting! There's lot'sa junk and quite a few gems as well. That's ALWAYS been the case with Linux. It's just on a larger scale now.
Sit there and gather dust if you must, but remember: In the dusty, musty annals of history,
NO ONE can hear you sneeze...
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Ive got a 486 laptop running 0.9. Im not sure of the exact date, but I think its from September '92. -Bob
That's like saying
oooo Linux has DOS and Windows code from the early 80s. Wine and DosEmu!
And some of those gnu tools go way back to the 70s, Linux is CRUD!!!
Lamer.
Windows NT was designed from scratch - the kernel ISN'T tied to the GUI, it's tied to the GDI - there is a big difference.
Yes! I agree very much! :D Its a wonder it works. Linux people just want to see it compile and work, not about if its the best way. The *BSDs offer much more "correct" source. -a registered user worried about bad "karma" :D
i'll give you a hint.. starts with a b and ends in gg
Linux: the World's best operating system? Hmmm.. Somehow I don't think so. I would think that the word "Linux" should be replaced by "FreeBSD" in the context of "World's Best Operating System" "Linux... The face may be different, but its all the same under the dress."
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
Of course it should be acceptable to say that Linux is the world's best operating system (although I don't necessarily agree). Nobody should ever be moderated down for expressing his/her private opinion. The fact that your post was knocked down to -1 is further proof that moderators tend to abuse the system.
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Shine on, you crazy diamond.
Oh, come on. Linux *users* aren't that bad. Do you hate Neil Stephenson?
It's not the users; it's the Zealots. I've had the displeasure of getting into an E-mail argument with a Mac zealot over FireWire (hey, Harry Zink!), and let me tell you there all idiots. Mac zealots, Linux zealots, Amiga zealots, BSD zealots, any 'minority' operating system seems to breed them. People to immature to realize that different things have different qualities, and different qualities attract different people.
Please don't judge Linux, or Linux users in general based on the most vocal minority.
"Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
ReadThe ReflectionEngine, a cyberpunk style n
You mean, personal opinion is flamebait? There's nothing wrong with lynx -- it has something that most GUI browsers tend to lack -- stability. It does crappy table handling, but it's good for the most part, especially if you're in a console-mood (I get this a lot). Not to mention it has pretty colors and everything, and is in active development.
hehehe, that's a lot of penguins!!!
You know back in the day when the net was young(er) and we all had shell accounts....
Well, I used to find it was faster to Shell into my VAX account to FTP stuff from Sunsite (was that site ever not busy?) to grab stuff, then SLIP into my VAX accout to get stuff onto my PC at home, rather than SLIPing straight to Sunsite to grab stuff.... does that make sense?
DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
happy birthday to you,
happy birthday dear Linux,
happy birthday to you...
Gorfin
Man, I remember the very first day I used Linux. It was in a 'new' pentium 120. It was running a slackware dist, with doom instaled.
I also remember using win95 for the first time. It was even funnier because it kept on crashing the p90 not letting us try the new features of the OS.
I first ran Linux about 5 years ago, when they first opened up the Net to commercial access, I got a dial-up unix account (never even heard of unix before) and found it was realy cool. I got UNIX for Dummies and was pretty impressed with the capabilities and the idea of 100 people accessing the net at the same time on one box.
:p ) But I have linux to thank for my new career!
I started to hear about this "linux" thing and got a slackware distro, ftp'd each dir to my dial up and then downloaded at 9600 baud to my PC. At least I had just got a second HD so I could do a HD install from the windows partition to the other drive.
The first kernel I had was 0.9.18
I figured if it was crap i'd just blow it away. Well needless to say since I was running Windows 3.1 at the time, it was the Windows partition that ended up getting blown away. But it was more than a month of frustration before I could get X to work though.
The difference in performance between the 2 OSes on the same hardware was a real eye-opener and really got me thinking about software and OSes. In fact I ended up returning to school to do CS and now I make lots of $ writing software for a living (ironicly its for windows
The last linux kernel i had was 2.0.?
I think OSS is a good idea but im not religious or political when it comes to that. I used linux initialy because 1) it worked properly and 2) it allowed me to learn about computer systems.
When I heard about BeOS it sounded really interesting and innovative, so when they released it on x86 I thought I'd give it a try. I bought a nice dual proc box from the guys who made the development machines for Be (no HW support problems that way) figuring if I didn't like it i'd just put linux on it instead. Well 1 1/2 years later that box still only has BeOS on it and I use it daily because, for me, it does what i need it to better than anything else out there!
EGADS man. I thought I'd forgotten about minicom. Now you have to go an remind me again...
:-) I was hi tech, and used to run ka9q with the hacked telnet and finger clients as a TCP/IP stack since I had SLIP access at school.
A little later (once there was hard disk support among other things
Oh yeah, over a 2400 baud modem no less.
Now THOSE were the days.
-Rich
I used to love Linux. Like me it's creator was a college student programming using a 386 I believe. The virtual consoles, buffers, and stability with limited hardware made it a great kernel for the computer literate. Now I have a 486 and enjoy lynx and the networking capabilities, but otherwise have been left behind by the Linux movement and its creator. All the excitement nowadays seems to be bloat related non-kernel software. Anyway, I think it's too darn old now. I naively hope the focus will return to technical things and all the non-techs will forget about Linux. I have tried to contribute to some of the bugfixing. I know the sound drivers are messed up after the cleanup but who uses those old cards anyway but losers like me. :) Thanks anyway Alan. I guess when I move up to the 586 I'll have to write my own kernel with the reduced compile times. I think Linus laying down initial source code was the key to the stability.
no GMT is 5 hours ahead of Eastern time. (or maybe its 4 with daylight time)
Really? So you're fairly new to the industry.. If your total background consists of Linux, OSF/1 (or DEC UNIX or Tru64 or the name of the week), and AIX, you have missed a large chunk of the UNIX world my friend.
So it's acceptable to say that Linux is the world's best operating system, yet a previous post of mine that stated that lynx is the world's best browser gets knocked down to -1:flamebait? Double standards? I love it. -3209
And remember, it *HAS* to be the Official Beer of Linux: Guinness!
World dominiation....not yet.
But the penguins are ready!!!
I guess my point wasn't obvious enough for you. Let me try again.
I was pointing out that just as a baby undergoes development before it is born, so the first Linux distribution required a certain amount of development from GNU before it could be born, too.
Conceived has two meanings: "thought of", and "the genesis of a living being e.g. at the time the sperm and egg combine." I was referring to the latter definition when saying that the first GNU code (like a embryo's genetic code) constituted the true beginnings, the conception, of Linux, whereas Linus's kernel release on USENET constituted its birth, its first viable release to the outside world as a full OS.
Get it?
--LP
P.S. But of course, as with babies, the conception date of GNU contributions like gcc and bash and the GPL is too fuzzy (try getting a precise date for all three from gnu.org,) so we only celebrate the birth date.
Totally agree (and would add that non-confirmed rumors suggest NT has some actual VMS code, too). I'd say DOS has always been less essential to NT than, say, bash or especially gcc+bash+XFree86, but this hardly merits quibbling over. If the DOS and GNU+X contributions cancel one another out, you could still make the comparison, but I don't pretend at all that it's a precise comparison.
--LP
This is typical Linux weenie FUD.
The Linux kernel is simply a re-implementation of the Unix kernel, which was started in 1969. There we no design decisions made in the Linux kernel. All the design was done already. As anyone professional software engineer knows, the design takes as much or longer than the coding, so this fact sped up the Linux kernel development significantly (at the expense of quality of course: the Unix, and therefore Linux, kernels are very weak compared to those in superior operating systems).
Second, the core Linux utilities (GCC, BASH, X, etc., etc.) existed long before the Linux kernel did, and are not included in the 8 years.
Again, most of the GNU tools are simply re-implemtations of the commercial product, so
the development cycle was much sorter here.
In contrast to both of these, Windows NT, the kernel, the utilities, and the applications
were all brought up from scratch, except for some of the command line stuff, which was borrowed from DOS, and the GUI which was borrowed from Windows 3.1 and later 95.
If you want to talk about very fast development, look at Windows 95/98 applications. There are by leaps and bounds more applications for this platform, and it has existed for just over four years. Most of these applications are very high quality, and are what practically every office professional uses in their daily work. Whereas the UNIX API has been around forever, yet all of the applications avaiable for it are difficult to use, inflexible, powerless, and have arcane misdesigns such as case sensitivity.
Is there anyone out there that still has the .01 version of linux? I think it would be sweet to check out the source code of oh so long ago.
The API design was; the design of the implementation wasn't - they may well have adopted published ideas about UNIX kernels, but NT's I/O subsystem adopted ideas from VMS. (No, I'm not saying NT ripped off code from VMS; I have no reason to believe it includes VMS code.)
E.g., Internet Explorer 5? :-)
(If you're going to say "all", make sure you mean it.)
If you're referring to case sensitivity for file names, that's the fault of the OS, not of the applications, unless you're arguing that they should all have included code to work around the OS's case-sensitivity. (No, I am not defending case sensitivity here, nor do I plan to defend it.)
"There we no
design decisions made in the Linux kernel. All the design was done already."
You are so wrong about this.
I hate to be pedantic, but you're comparing apples and oranges, which should upset any geek.
The first value, 8, is the number of years since the first Linux release.
The second value, 11, is the (maximum) number of years since someone starting working on NT. Note that Dave might not immediately have started on NT.
What's wrong with this picture? If you want to do a real comparison, you should compare either (a) start dates or (b) release dates. Not one of each.
yggdrsil plug-n-play was worse.
Anyone else remember alt.linux?
.12
I remember being surprised that there was another linux user in the world to create it!
How about the MCC release (the first distro ever)?
I thought that distros were for wimps. I managed to resist them for (literally) years, until I had some hard drive randomness that sent me running to Slackware.
I'd love to find some of the other early users (pre-1992) and swap memories...
I started with version
I downloaded it from Compuserve with the standard (of the day) 2400 baud modem. It took hours. I could not believe that I had a multitasking Unix for free.
world domination? ha linux is nowhere near being ready for world domination. I use linux myself, but it still is nowhere near as easy to use as Windoze. Linux is great as a reliable os, I never have had a problem with it, but it still needs to be easier to set up and navigate.
it's true.
I might still have some 5.25" floppies with SLS on them around here. I downloaded it from the college's machines (ZMODEM at 14.4 kbps...or maybe it was 28.8; can't remember when I made that switch). Haven't used 'em in ages, of course...I think the kernel at the time was 0.99pl14, or somewhere around there. The machine was a 386SX-25 with 4 megs of RAM, 125 megs of disk, and Hercules mono graphics that got upgraded to mono VGA with a 256K Oak VGA card. (Managed to push a fixed-frequency mono VGA monitor to 800x600 when running X...wasn't too bad if you didn't mind the 50-Hz refresh rate.)
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
well 8 years...8 years and linux TCP/IP stack and SMP still sucks...despite support from THOUSANDS of programmers around the world... 8 years and Linux has been nothing but a tool used to kill -9 M$...8 years and Linux is still nothing but a second rate Free UNIX clone (second to FreeBSD ofcourse)...8 years...hmmmm..
I started with Linux 0.01 around Sept/Dec '91. I was just a lab technician working for a university's electrical engineering department. I saw a message from Linus Torvalds on usenet, with the subject of "Interested in a hacker UNIX?" well, I was interested, as I had been playing with Xenix, Minnix and had access to the university UNIX machines as a pleb user. Well, I downloaded the two floppy disk images... and .... well it became an obsession. I think for many months I was the only person in South Africa using Linux, other soon followed, mainly curious of all the stuff I was downloading via our very small link to the outside world that all the universities had to share... less then a year later I was offered the job of BOFH. I have gradually moved away from Linux, and beacome very involved with *BSD as a hobby and on the job side, commercial unix. I am working in the UK now, and this is beacuse of Linux. If Linux hadn't come along I don't think I would be where I am today. Or it would have taken a little longer. --abs@plig.net
Tap, tap, tap, testing, testing, testing one, two, three. Is this thing on can anyone hear me....
Nothing could be further from the truth than Dr. Wettstein switching to NT. The corporate IT guys in the medical group managed to pretty much run me out of the organization but did nothing to impair my evangelism for Linux and the Open Source/Free Software movement.
I ended up operating a backhoe for a couple of years and running a dirt crew for a local contracting company in order to make ends meet though. Putting my life and professional career back together after that sort of put me on the bench in terms of being extremely active on the lists and such.
I was recruited back to the local state university by some very good people a couple of years ago. Since than I have been very busy restructuring the IT service infrastructure around a Category of Service model. We are just finishing a rebuild of the server farm and have placed 10 pretty good sized Linux servers into operation which are now handling the brunt of the infrastructure chores for our contribution to academic computing in the state.
We also just got done bringing two 16-node Beowulf computing arrays on-line. One is based on 16 dual PII-266's/128M and the other is based on 16 dual PII-450's/512. The two arrays use a switched Gigabit Ethernet fabric for both intra-node and inter-node communications. We are running three-dimensional soil modelling and self-consistent field quantum mechanical applications and seeing some very impressive results.
Most of my focus right now is on developing enterprise infrastructure for Linux. I am working on an enterprise wide authorization and authentication infrastructure based on a fusion of Kerberos and LDAP. I am also working on toolsets which will hopefully help businesses/univs. better manage fleets of mid-range Linux servers. My other major interest is in developing fault-tolerant server systems.
As part of our new server farm we deployed a fibre-channel SAN which feed the big Linux file servers. The FC controllers are dual-channel and support LUN trespass so I am doodling plans on my white board for handling dual loop configurations which will allow Linux to cope with loop/controller failures.
That pretty much brings things up to date. Winter will be coming to the prairie soon and it should bring some time which I hope to use to clean up the sysklogd sources.
I was at breakfast this morning with the physician who recruited me to architect the IT infrastructure for the Cancer Center that we built. We were talking about Linux and everything that has gone on and the same phrase kept coming up, "Who would have thought.".
I will always hold a fond place in my heart for the 0.96c kernel release. It may be the first Linux kernel that ever took on production responsibilities. I remember that release quite clearly because Ted fixed a bug/race in the serial drivers that prevented UUCICO transport sessions from running to completion.
That kernel went on to four 386sx-16's which served as the early basis for our Perceptions software system in the Center. Our networking at the time consisted of these four machines talking over AT&T 7400B datasets which pumped async streams at 9600bps through the switch and 'underneath' the normal phone traffic.
Perceptions used this system to pass patient 'objects' through the Center. These objects served as the basis for our patient tracking system and the system was later enhanced to provide the object oriented interface to the patient's medical record and their current visit treatment status.
I look back quite fondly to those early days and what we were able to accomplish because of access to Linux and open/free software. As I have preached at a number of my talks one of my greatest treasures is the fact that because of all this I was able to make life for cancer patients just a little bit better.
I am hoping that my contributions to medicine are not completely over. I have jumped through all the pertinent hoops so I have my consulting company established as an LLC and pretty well in operation. I am looking at ASP issues for healthcare related applications. I have been prodded by a couple of people as of late about the potential for open-source medical record software. Perhaps Perceptions will yet see its vindication.
I apologize for the anonymous posting but I seem to be having a difficult time with the account creation/login mechanism. Hopefully the 'old-timers' will have recognized the prose. I was actually quite flattered to even see my name come up. As fast as the INTERNET moves I had pretty much thought that no one would have remembered our contributions in the early days.
Best wishes to everyone.
"I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than 10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't."
Dr. G.W. Wettstein, R.Ph.,Ph.D.
Noted Linux Advocate and Backhoe Operator
Yes, young linux just turned 8. The b-day party went like so: "I want more features! mine! mine! Gimme gimme gimme!" :) So go and give young linux a present - patch up a few bugs in the source.
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Oh No - I've been slashdotted
-- Phil Hunt, philh@vision25.demon.co.uk
Check the posting times. Maybe it's a Linux bug? Just kidding. Go Linux!!1
"We're sorry, but the website you're trying to reach has been disconnected."
World dominiation....not yet. But anyway thats not what linux is all about. I would expect that to be in a MS ad not here.
Party At Rob's Place!!!
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I bet there aren't any boxes out there still running 0.1 somehow - now that would be an uptime worth having (joke).
How about a slashdot poll - my first booted kernel was ... or have we done that one? I'm too lazy to check.
-- Oh Well
This is what Richard Stallman is really working for. Freedom to learn and really use our own computers, and to allow communities to form around those systems.
We are lucky to be living in these times. I think that, in the future, computer science students will learn about the creation of software engineering in the 1970s, the genesis of the personal computer in the 1980s, and the explosion of the Internet and free software in the 1990s. That can only be a good thing.
Paranoia isn't an infectious condition, it's a way of life
Man, it's nice to see how far our kids have come.
No, you're using the wrong base. It's actually 100 years old.
-ElJefe
Anyone else remember alt.linux?
When I started using Linux in Jan 1992 it was like a gift from God. No more begging root accounts from stressed Unix admins at school; and I had a system I could use to get work done on at night when the lab was closed. On a lowly 386sx/16 w/4MB of RAM, no less!
How about the MCC release (the first distro ever)?
How about that doctor (Dr. W-something) from a cancer center who deployed Linux in production (in a hospital, no less!) as early as late '92? He would write these great, long, detailed big reports to the kernel list.
I'd love to find some of the other early users (pre-1992) and swap memories...
Dr. W-something has long since switched to Windows NT.
I'm sure we all remember the recent 30 year mark for the internet (how could I drink that much and not get hungover? Not that I'm COMPLAINING, mind you . . . (-;), so a little quick math shows that the net is 3.75 times as old as Linux. We've (not me personally, I'm afraid) been hacking for more than a quarter of the time the net has been in existance. Specifically 26.63142% Is there any significance to this? Yep. I'm bored and I don't want to work any longer, and obviously you are in a similar position or you wouldn't have read this entire post!!! hehehehehe . . .
Anyway, geek party again tonight! Black Russians all around! (Finlandia vodka though . . . . the closest I can think of to being appropriate!)
Bad things often happen to good people,
It is up to them to see that they remain good.
Is it just me, or does this read as, "I'm more mature than you are, so NYAAAHHHH!" to anyone else?
happy birthday linux...
now let's see, i started with caldera 1.3, moved to mandrake 5.3, then to debian 2.1 R2, to redhat 6, to slakware 4. I'm still a newbie(I've been using linux since march 99) but you'll should remember that being a linux newbie is probably the steepest learning curve known to software. And concidering that my pc is only 13 months old and i was a mac (performa 631 cd) person before that I can safely proclaim that i've come a long way thanks to linux. I was honestly getting ready to beat the crap out of windows 98 when I was introduced to linux. Thanks everyone for a wonderful 6months.
NCLUG is celebrating the 8th birthday of Linux with a Linux DemoDay and install fest here in Fort Collins, Colorado (at the University Park Holiday Inn by the CSU campus). The DemoDay event is being coordinated at www.linuxdemo.org and is a worldwide event. Take a look at the demoday site to see if an event is being held in your area.
I"m not the original poster, but what a great way to back up your statements, wait, you never did.
Don't forget Samuel Adams Bostan Lager.
--Brew free or die!
one of these has led to and been supported by the largest ($$) company in America.(now under investigation for widespread anti-competitive behaviour)
the other came out of a (10,000) garage and is free (speech and beer).
Yet now they compete.
Which do you think is more impressive?
+&x
C:\WINNT\DRWTSN32.EXE
cpeterso
Heh heh.
That's a good one, you forgot to add ", but Win98 beats them all!".
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"I already have all the latest software."
Please!!! If you've ever worked on Digital(VAX/VMS) machines and if you do some Research on Dave cutler's background before MS you can figure out where NT got grafted from. Not that I have a problem with it. Its just that software is the art of building a better mousre trap and not reinventing the whole mouse trap.
Fair comment. At most though, this makes Linux look either six months older or NT look four years younger, as elucidated below, neither of which helps the Linux "case." On the Linux side, see one of the Linus-authored Linux history files around the net for a definitive discussion of Linux in 1991-1992. To summarize, even Linus doesn't remember or have records about exactly when the very first work occurred. But I've never seen any suggestion that he was working on it in 1990. It's clear that he had a few device drivers and the hard disk support in the kernel working in July 1991 and posted his first USENET request for POSIX specs around then. The first code release, a privately emailed notice of 0.01 source-only came in mid-September 1991 (hence the current 8th-year celebration.)
So back to your question, what are the comparisons for (a) start dates and (b) release dates for as close as you can get apples-to-apples comparisons?
a) In terms of start dates, defined as "first work on the kernel", it's slightly pre-July 1991 for Linux and October 1988 for NT. 8-8.5 yrs (Linux) vs. 11 yrs (NT)
b) In terms of release dates, defined as first release to outside parties, this comes with Linux 0.01 in mid-Sept 1991 and with NT on July 5-6th 1992 according to my local NT guru. (For the pedantically challenged, note this is a Linux source release vs. NT binary release. For a "cleaner" apples-to-apples comparison, the first Linux binary release was on October 5, 1992.) In any case, that makes Linux older! 8 yrs (Linux) vs. 7.25 yrs (NT)
Other issues such as conceptual origin, DOS/VMS code and GNU/X code discussed elsewhere in this thread. Is the pedantic geek in you satisfied now?
--LinuxParanoid
"Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it" (or in this case, misinterpret it and act/fail-to-act based on resulting misperceptions.)
Don't be so cocky, son. The first MCC release, in fact, pre-dates SLS by a year or more.
/bin /etc /lib basics together for the first time so you didn't have to bootstrap them all yourself.
It was a two-disk boot/root combo that put all the
SLS, when it arrived, looked more like today's mega-distros with every package under the sun. Until recently, I always preferred to know what exactly what was on my system because I had put it there myself, so I avoided them.
-Peter
Wow -- welcome back! What a pleasant suprise.
Your contributions are certainly remembered -- as much for providing some of the earliest wow-we-really-are-building-something-useful realizations as for their technical content.
(I'm impressed with the diversity of your skills, BTW -- backhoe operator and all. I wish I had something like that to fall back on for when the e-economy collapses and we're all holding "Will code Python for food" signs...)
-Peter
ok, i'll take up the argument
how is case sensitivity an arcane misdesign?
it sounds like M$ has rotted your brain, my friend.
Dave Cutler (Windows NT architect) went to work for M$ in October 1988.
Which raises the question: if Linux is growing so much faster than any other OS ever, how much worse/better is NT for being three years older?
Something to think about before you make the claim and the MS marketing team tries to shoot it down.
--LinuxParanoid
Correction: 1000 years
Binary: 1000
.sig here.
Octal: 10
Dec & Hex: 8
No matter what it looks like, there isn't a
No matter what it looks like, there isn't a
....since I assume that the penguin didn't spring into being the moment Linux was released.
(Whoa, lots of internal server errors today, what gives?)
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Do you work for Microsoft by any chance ?
So if Linux was born in 1991, does the development of the GNU tools in the mid-late 80s count as the act of conception?
... Reproduction of the asexual kind I suppose. ;-)
(That labor took a lot longer than 9 months, eh?)
--LP
(Hmm, this fits better than I thought. It's true, the development of the GNU tools *was* an act of passion, right?
Rule #1: Never trust a consultant.
Is this just a troll, or is it actually true?
Given his enthusiasm for Linux (which was similar to mine: a gift from God), I find it hard to believe...
-Peter
I find it interesting that they call "Netscape Navigator" open source on this webpage (listed under the various programs used to create the page)..
AKAIK, Netscape never was "open source". Just think about how much money Netscape would've lost if they'd made their code open source - heh. I suppose there's the flipside, that Netscape would've become so stable, so quickly, that it would've crushed MSIE. A game of what-if's...
"During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I was riding the pogostick."
A good traveller has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving.
I will install Linux RedHat 6.0 on my server today. This will be the first and ONLY OS on this sever. Without linux, I don't know where I would be. I will contribute my server to the linux community soon, a 1100 MHz Pentium 3/ 1 gig SDRAM, and will always continue to help fix bugs. Linux and world domination, give it another year. MS is out, Open Sourse and Linux is the future. Look mom, only 17, and I'm hacking a Kernal!!!
How many people have worked on Linux over
the last 8 years? How would it compare to the
number of people that have worked on Microsoft
OS's?
Just curious.
Did you know when was release 1.0, 1.3, 2.0, 2.1 2.2, 2.3... 2.4:)
Oh, and Happy birthday Linux!
World's best operating system? ;) Eh happy birthday but don't let that ego grow too much
Sorry junior, we've got real work to do and the 'market leader' just wasn't cutting it and the commercial Unix vendors didn't really seem interested in our business. The negligence of Sun (and cabal) is as much responsible for the coming into existence of Linux as is the negligence of Microsoft. It's not as if some of us didn't strongly consider those vendors before moving onto the xBSDs or Linux.