Doesn't Project Guttenberg have some sort of GPL limiting what sort of stupid clauses may be attached to their works? If they don't have one, then maybe they should consider adding one.
Frankly, why should they care? If people are willing to pay for markup rather than getting the plaintext for free, that's fine.
There is a much better case for GPLing code, in that it can be forked, and the modifications taken private. For historical texts, already in the public domain, I don't think it is appropriate.
Besides, Gutenberg have few rights anyway: they don't own the copyright to the content, and the markup has changed. That more or less leaves them the typos (like the fake roads in streetmaps).
You are deliberately trying to mislead...Sealand was located in international waters before it was settled, and thereafter has been located in Sealand's territorial waters
That's what I said. Sealand's claim to be in international waters is bogus. It either is a soverign state and has it's own territorial waters, or it's within Britain's territorial waters.
Read the Sealand website. Sealand is located in international waters.
No, even their own web site puts it within the 12 mile limit. But Sealand don't recognise that so it doesn't count. Duh!
Suppose for one moment you suspend all your sense of disbelief and suppose that Sealand is a sovereign state. It has no democracy, no independent judiciary...
The government does pass some daft legislation from time to time. That's the price of being in a democracy.
I was just saying, don't put all your eggs in one basket, no matter how disjoined and reliable the basket is.
That isn't necessarily always the best policy. Redundant systems are more complex, and potentially introduce additional failure modes.
If you've ever had a inline UPS fail for no good reason while the mains was OK, you'll know what I mean.
Besides, a really serious system will have a disaster recovery plan, presumably including a standby site of some sort.
Netscape 6 needs to be out there with a product. You could build a flawless browser and it would look crap on 50% of sites.
People are fixing their sites to work in Netscape 6 where they wouldn't have bothered with Opera or Mozilla. And hopefully, after a while, designers will not have to bother going through hoops to work with NC4.
Every site that gets cleaned up will work better with Opera, Konqueror, whatever. There may be better browsers but Netscape is the most likely to give web developers a clue about designing cross-platform pages.
Actually, I am entirely in favour of Opera producing an independent implementation of the W3C recommendations. Multiple implementations (open source or not) are good things.
However Opera fans don't seem to admit that Opera are competing with Mozilla (and friends) and IE/Mac to be the best standards compliant browser. And, at the moment, they aren't winning.
Having said that, I wish them success in the future. It's going to be very useful to occasional web developers to snag a free copy and test their pages against it.
The problem with HTML is that it is too blunt a tool for many tastes, and as a result people would like a method that gives finer control. That method exists, and is called Postscript. In my opinion the web should go the route of Postscript and PDF....
You need to look at where the W3C is going before implying that they are heading the wrong way. Firstly, realise that HTML is obsolete; the W3C recommendation is now not HTML 4 but XHTML 1.0 . There's a lot of hype about XML but the basic idea is very simple and powerful. Understanding only HTML is like being able to write in plain TeX: you can do basic stuff but can't begin to understand the flexibility and power of the whole.
XML with stylesheets gives you much of what you get from LaTeX: ability to define new elements, like, say, 'abstract', and how they should be presented. Defining the structure of the document and indexing are possible too.
Coding HTML 4 by hand is hard; XHTML is worse. That's in the past for the web. Use a decent editor - even if it only keeps the tags matched for you. Autogenerate it from LaTeX if you like.
Page layout is tricky: well yes, that's not what HTML is designed for. For now, use CSS. In the future XSL:FO. Mathematics: simple, use MathML.
My recommendation would be you go find a decent introductory book on XML technologies and read up about them. Or take a good look at the W3C site. There's a whole wealth of stuff out there.
All the research mathematicians I know had the same reaction to the article, which was: "It took 40 lines of code to express x^2+4x=0? Is this some kind of joke?"
It shows they don't get it. XML (and friends) is a more rigorous language than HTML, and tends to be much harder to hand code.
The whole point of XML is it is a method of exchanging data unambiguously, primarily between computers. It will need good authoring tools to support it. The days when you can just crank up your favourite editor, and hack away without any regard for the syntax of the language you're using are going. Mathematicians, at least, should be able to appreciate that rigour is a good thing in the end.
The Home Office is like an Interior ministry, although it also covers part of what might be in a ministry of Justice. Policing, immigration, prisons, fire services, that kind of stuff.
The Home Office people would also be responsible for drafting this sort of legislation.
If you claim that the company doesn't know what went on, then it is implied that there isn't any evidence that the hacker did something "bad." What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
Nothing. The individual involved committed a crime; that he did no damage and had no malicious intent is an argument for a lenient sentence, not a defence.
It's open source, if these things bug you so much why don't you help fix them. Isn't that the way the model is supposed to work.
The open source movement should have got beyond the 'you have to be a programmer to offer an opinion' stage. It's impossible to be involved with everything that you might find in principle worthwhile.
... as I see it. I, personally, am not a fan of censoring the internet, but that's not here nor there. It's just plain wrong to expect foregn organizations, based in foregn countries (in this case, Yahoo!) to conform to their laws.
This may be true but I don't recall getting any support last week, when I said it was wrong of the US to try to force their trade embargo of Cuba on the rest of the world.
Doesn't all this 3rd world country tld squatting (.bz.tv, etc) strike anybody else as 19th cent. style imperialism? (hey, you won't need those, let us take them).
Not really. They get to sell something of no intrinsic value for a pile of cash. As long as the countries involved have the good sense not to sign over the rights in perpetuity, it sounds fine to me. Of course, if domain name prices fall through the floor, cybersquatters will get what they deserve.
According to a letter posted on ICANN's Web site, Economic Solutions is seeking a restraining order from a Missouri federal court prohibiting ICANN from establishing a ".biz" or ".ebiz" domain address or any other combination that is similar to the country code of Belize, ".bz."
Inspired. They pay the Belize government so they can own a cool name, that sounds a bit like 'biz'. It would obviously confuse people to have a real.biz TLD. Duh!
What next, the Tongan government trying to claim exclusive use of the To: header?
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Could you let me know when, so I can plan on starting a family? It would be a waste if they were in college by then.
I wasn't arguing that more alternatives are a bad thing, obviously for applications they definitely are. My point was more that even on Linux, Mozilla would seem to be the preferable choice - same code base but more up to date and having fixed the problems that Netscape 6 has been so heavily criticised for.
A couple of guys with pet peeves that didn't make the cut whining doesn't make "heavy criticism". Sure it's easy to have a superior browser if you never release it. Saying Mozilla is better than Netscape is mainly missing the point: Netscape shipping products is (mainly) what pays for continued Mozilla development. They complement one another. Mozilla will chug away indefinitely, (generally) improving slowly day by day. But it doesn't improve that fast: delaying the ship by a month would have made a better browser, no doubt. But then so would delaying by another, and another...
Looking back on the complaints, they look kind of silly: trying to stop the ship only a few days before release because the development team were only taking showstopper bugs. That's what you do when you're about two days away from shipping, guys.
Have a look at the W3C's CSS test pages. Where was the petition not to ship IE until it had proper CSS support? Sure, NN6 isn't perfect either but it does a hell of a lot better than IE; it's unreasonable to expect 100% quality before release.
"Free trade" is about choice of the buyer and seller.
That is one aspect, yes. But I was talking about free trade between nations.
'the European Union expressed its "deep concern for the enactment of legislation which contains unacceptable elements of extra-territoriality and other elements not compatible with the obligations undertaken by the U.S. in the World Trade Organization and with the mutually-agreed principles of free trade. The Helms-Burton Act has the potential to cause significant commercial disruption for companies from the EU and from other major trading partners." In a subsequent statement, the EU's Council of Foreign Ministers commented that in its view the legislation was in "conflict with international law.'
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Oh dear, this is beginning to sound like a Voyager plot.
The funny thing is that sued is obviously a typo for used...
Frankly, why should they care? If people are willing to pay for markup rather than getting the plaintext for free, that's fine.
There is a much better case for GPLing code, in that it can be forked, and the modifications taken private. For historical texts, already in the public domain, I don't think it is appropriate.
Besides, Gutenberg have few rights anyway: they don't own the copyright to the content, and the markup has changed. That more or less leaves them the typos (like the fake roads in streetmaps).
Damn, there I was thinking they were the latest in retro-70's fashion.
You are deliberately trying to mislead...Sealand was located in international waters before it was settled, and thereafter has been located in Sealand's territorial waters That's what I said. Sealand's claim to be in international waters is bogus. It either is a soverign state and has it's own territorial waters, or it's within Britain's territorial waters.
No, even their own web site puts it within the 12 mile limit. But Sealand don't recognise that so it doesn't count. Duh!
Suppose for one moment you suspend all your sense of disbelief and suppose that Sealand is a sovereign state. It has no democracy, no independent judiciary...
The government does pass some daft legislation from time to time. That's the price of being in a democracy.
That isn't necessarily always the best policy. Redundant systems are more complex, and potentially introduce additional failure modes. If you've ever had a inline UPS fail for no good reason while the mains was OK, you'll know what I mean.
Besides, a really serious system will have a disaster recovery plan, presumably including a standby site of some sort.
People are fixing their sites to work in Netscape 6 where they wouldn't have bothered with Opera or Mozilla. And hopefully, after a while, designers will not have to bother going through hoops to work with NC4.
Every site that gets cleaned up will work better with Opera, Konqueror, whatever. There may be better browsers but Netscape is the most likely to give web developers a clue about designing cross-platform pages.
Well, yes. Still, the 1.1 JVM that ships with IE is so out of date as to be worthless, and you have to download the Sun plugin anyway.
No wait, I've just got a message from Bill telling me that nobody needs Java 1.2 or greater.
Actually, I am entirely in favour of Opera producing an independent implementation of the W3C recommendations. Multiple implementations (open source or not) are good things.
However Opera fans don't seem to admit that Opera are competing with Mozilla (and friends) and IE/Mac to be the best standards compliant browser. And, at the moment, they aren't winning.
Having said that, I wish them success in the future. It's going to be very useful to occasional web developers to snag a free copy and test their pages against it.
You mean like using XSL:FO to generate PDF?
If they keep changing their song, how are they going to talk to those giant alien space probes that come by every few million years?
XML with stylesheets gives you much of what you get from LaTeX: ability to define new elements, like, say, 'abstract', and how they should be presented. Defining the structure of the document and indexing are possible too.
Coding HTML 4 by hand is hard; XHTML is worse. That's in the past for the web. Use a decent editor - even if it only keeps the tags matched for you. Autogenerate it from LaTeX if you like.
Page layout is tricky: well yes, that's not what HTML is designed for. For now, use CSS. In the future XSL:FO. Mathematics: simple, use MathML.
My recommendation would be you go find a decent introductory book on XML technologies and read up about them. Or take a good look at the W3C site. There's a whole wealth of stuff out there.
It shows they don't get it. XML (and friends) is a more rigorous language than HTML, and tends to be much harder to hand code.
The whole point of XML is it is a method of exchanging data unambiguously, primarily between computers. It will need good authoring tools to support it. The days when you can just crank up your favourite editor, and hack away without any regard for the syntax of the language you're using are going. Mathematicians, at least, should be able to appreciate that rigour is a good thing in the end.
The Home Office people would also be responsible for drafting this sort of legislation.
Nothing. The individual involved committed a crime; that he did no damage and had no malicious intent is an argument for a lenient sentence, not a defence.
Webreview gives it about 99% compliant. To mis-quote Edison: "99% of genius is perspiration, the other 1% is marketing." It's still in the lead.
The open source movement should have got beyond the 'you have to be a programmer to offer an opinion' stage. It's impossible to be involved with everything that you might find in principle worthwhile.
Indeed, and the related idea of embedding telephone numbers in extended addresses has long been used in the OSI world. See, for example, RFC1888.
This may be true but I don't recall getting any support last week, when I said it was wrong of the US to try to force their trade embargo of Cuba on the rest of the world.
Not really. They get to sell something of no intrinsic value for a pile of cash. As long as the countries involved have the good sense not to sign over the rights in perpetuity, it sounds fine to me. Of course, if domain name prices fall through the floor, cybersquatters will get what they deserve.
Inspired. They pay the Belize government so they can own a cool name, that sounds a bit like 'biz'. It would obviously confuse people to have a real .biz TLD. Duh!
What next, the Tongan government trying to claim exclusive use of the To: header?
Could you let me know when, so I can plan on starting a family? It would be a waste if they were in college by then.
A couple of guys with pet peeves that didn't make the cut whining doesn't make "heavy criticism". Sure it's easy to have a superior browser if you never release it. Saying Mozilla is better than Netscape is mainly missing the point: Netscape shipping products is (mainly) what pays for continued Mozilla development. They complement one another. Mozilla will chug away indefinitely, (generally) improving slowly day by day. But it doesn't improve that fast: delaying the ship by a month would have made a better browser, no doubt. But then so would delaying by another, and another...
Looking back on the complaints, they look kind of silly: trying to stop the ship only a few days before release because the development team were only taking showstopper bugs. That's what you do when you're about two days away from shipping, guys.
Have a look at the W3C's CSS test pages. Where was the petition not to ship IE until it had proper CSS support? Sure, NN6 isn't perfect either but it does a hell of a lot better than IE; it's unreasonable to expect 100% quality before release.
That is one aspect, yes. But I was talking about free trade between nations.