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Neither .Kids Nor .Porn For ICANN
JeffMagnus writes: "This CNET article talks about the possibility of extending the number of non-country-code top level domains. According to the article of the 47 submissions for top level domains, ICANN is only going to take 24 seriously. Among the TLDs, ICANN doesn't like are .xxx and .kids. The article then goes on to mention a company named Economic Solutions which has filed an injunction to prevent the creation of top-level domains that resemble the Belize country code .bz." I'm surprised by the reaction to .kids a lot more than .xxx, both of which sound like great ideas to me. Will this stuff come to a Net-splitting head?
PICS, however, is self-labelling (i.e. done by the provider/vendor). If someone chooses not to use it and breaks local laws or standards, then that is a matter for the police/courts/etc.
Non-manditory use of .xxx is as well. I don't think that forced use of .xxx is advisable. I DO believe that the advantages will be enough to get many if not most to volentarily use the .xxx TLD.
Maybe ICANN has an agreement with kid-filter companies to make sure it isn't *too* easy to filter out the porn sites. Think about it. If every porn site ended with .xxx, it could possibly render CyberPatrol and other companies who have to hand-make porn site lists obsolete. Hence, no profit from selling such software.
I don't understand how the ICANN can maintain a monopoly on DNS - what policies and iron-clad laws exist to prevent people from simply setting up their own DNS "root" servers, and making .whateveryouwant TLDs?
People who want "real" DNS simply list the "real" DNS servers (which ultimately query the "real" root servers), and if you also want the "other" DNS, then list these "shadow root" servers too, in whatever setup is appropriate for your system.
Granted, there's a problem with ownership, and no overriding authority for where certain "shadow" domains resolve, but I think the craving for some sort of ultimate authority is what spawned the hydra that is now ICANN.
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The distubring thing about the .kids and the .xxx TLDs, that I recall, was that those two were proposed by the same organization. And, in fact, those were the only two listed from them.
Something to think about.
-DM
Non-manditory use of .xxx is as well. I don't think that forced use of .xxx is advisable. I DO believe that the advantages will be enough to get many if not most to volentarily use the .xxx TLD.
:) Do we witness the same duplication of effort that I'm sure .biz/.com will... and thus double the registrar's income for those sections of the market?
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Voluntary is fine, I misread some of your earlier arguments as enforcing this. I'm happy for the majority of these sites to be in area like this, whether for their own commercial reasons or because they consider their impact on the community. As long as it's a matter of personal choice...
I do have other problems with the idea, it's very English-centric for example, and what if other top-level domains are allowed? (.pr0n, etc
We should all go back to IP numbers, I say!
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As far as I can tell, the objection to most of the domains suggested was that it would be difficult to ensure that the content of the sites recieving, for example, .kids or .xxx, would actually have that type of content. Isn't it a little late to start trying to make people stick to the suggested uses for their domains? Honestly, most .com sites aren't companies (winehq.com), most .org sites aren't non-profit organizations (slashdot.org, although they used to be), and most .net sites aren't ISPs (freshmeat.net).
Trying to force sites to conform to their top level domain name is bad idea, if only because of the administrative nightmare that would ensue, but that doesn't mean new TLDs which might possibly be misused shouldn't be created, since such activity already goes on rampantly.
No, this is not a joke or a troll, I think s domain or ".-" would be a good idea.
The idea in this is that an official place for use on local intranets, like the "hobbyist" IPs (e.g., 10.x.x.x) in IPv4. And what would be better than a single character that doesn't stand for anything on its own? Of course, people could do this on there own with a character not likely to be so used -- but an officially agreed upon standard would still be a good idea. After all, I could make up a local domain, like .wyrdonia that I think no-one is using -- but recklessly making up domains is bound to cause confusion when some dweeb picks something simple this is in internet use; adding a recognized TL-non-Domain ("wyrdonia.-") would make it safe. (If someone wanted more than one local domain, thy could just create secondaries, of course.)
So you wish you had mod points right now. How would you like to have mod points all the time? Look at Kuro5hin. Every logged-in user can rate every comment between Score=1 and Score=5. In systems like Half-empty's Glasscode and Everything, every user can rate every comment +1 or -1 (like on Slashdot).
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On the contrary! I think the only way for this to work is for ICANN to stay out of it. Rigidly enforcing content in various areas is only asking for trouble. Make .kids and .xxx, but don't require content for either sort of site.
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TLD's like that carry moral implications that range far beyond technical issues. There are people who find Planned Parenthood obscene. Would you require PP to go under .xxx? Would it make filtering "simple and universal" if they did?
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I really don't see how this post is flambait. Just looks like someones opinion.
A few hours grace before the madness begins again.
"I could just as easily put my home page up at www.porn-free.xxx with no pornographic content whatsoever and be filtered for no other reason than my TLD happens be .xxx "
I can't for the life of me think of a reason why you might want to though. Some real-life analogies might be putting up a sign in front of your totally-clean candy store "hardcore porn available here".
One of the whole ideas behind having the .xxx domain is making things easy to filter. In real life, if you're out shopping with your kids, you *know* you're not going to walk into a store that has a huge sign outside saying "XXX adult toys". Same with .xxx. So if you put up your no-porn home page on a .xxx domain, you're just being stupid, and it's your own problem if you get filtered - it cannot by any means be considered an unfair filtering. That would be like complaining that people are discriminating against your candy store with the porn sign out front.
Lets not forget that Congress wouldn't have the excuse to keep up its assault on the first ammendment, either.
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Of course, in Australia individuals are prohibited from owning .com.au/.net.au/.org.au domain names. If they wanted one of these domains, they'd have to register a business name to go with it. While this policy (as well as others) is brilliant at preventing cybersquatting, it does restrict individuals to unattractive domains like sven.dropbear.id.au. That's why I registered a .org instead of something under .au that I would have preferred.
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I would rather not see playtime.kids be a porn site.
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...there probably wouldn't be anything in place that would say that even if a .xxx TLD was created, pr0n sites couldn't just redirect from a .com TLD to a .xxx TLD to fool people.
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what's wrong with .kids? i mean, sure, i wouldn't be visiting the .kids sites all that much, but in order to filter sites for kids and only for kids, then, you could only allow .kids addresses. .xxx or .porn, whichever was the actual one, should get in. It's not really fair to the porn sites, but it's more fair to the people of the internet. it helps people get a better idea of what they're about to look at. if you say www.whitehouse.com, then you may think you're getting the whitehouse, but as we all know, you don't. if the suffixes were instituted, if you put in www.whitehouse.com, you'd probably get nothing, that is, if there were filtering controls put in place. and if you wanted the porn site, you'd put in www.whitehouse.xxx or .porn and you'd know you were about to get porn. i like that. i like getting an idea about what i'm gonna see.
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From what I understood, their reasoning wasn't that the .kids/.xxx idea was bad, but that it came down to a matter of who would run them?
It's a valid point. An organization would have to then get into the biz of judging content more critically than any other. The only thing close is .mil[.us].
Would the .kids proponent be a competent registrar? Same for .xxx. Would they keep up certain offense-safe standards, either way?
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From the letter on the website
.biz just because they are squatting all the .bz domain names so that they can get business hits?
.tv, etc) strike anybody else as 19th cent. style imperialism? (hey, you won't need those, let us take them).
Our firm represents Economic Solutions, Inc. (ESI) in intellectual property matters. On September 26, 2000 we sent you a letter addressing our client's objection to the granting of either ".biz" or ".bus" top level domains (TLDs). It has come to our client's attention, after visiting your website, that several applications for TLDs proposed a TLD of ".biz" or ".ebiz." In addition to objecting to the granting of a ".biz" or ".bus" TLD, our client also objects to ICANN granting a ".ebiz" TLD as it would substantially damage the rights of ESI in their right to market the ".bz" TLD.
As we mentioned in our previous letter, ESI owns exclusive rights to market the ".bz" country code TLD identifier which it contractually obtained from the government of Belize. ESI has subsequently expended considerable money and effort in its preparations and marketing of the ".bz" TLD as a domain name and has filed numerous trademark applications playing off the phonetic pronunciation of "bz" as "BIZ" and the use of ".bz" in connection with conducting business over the Internet.
ICANN's consideration and approval of an application for a ".biz" or ".ebiz" TLD would create confusion among Internet users, interfere with the rights of ESI, and would cause substantial damage to our client's rights and good will for the same reasons as were outlined in our September 26, 2000 letter. Furthermore, approval of a ".biz" or ".ebiz" TLD would be contrary to ICANN's Criteria for Assessing TLD Proposals, dated 15 August 2000, in light of the existing ".bz" TLD owned by the country of Belize and ESI's plan to target and license domain names under the ".bz" registry to businesses.
The introduction of a ".biz" or ".ebiz" TLD would create substantial confusion among Internet users attempting to access domain names registered with either the ".biz," ".ebiz," or ".bz" registries. The present applications for ".biz" and ".ebiz" specify an intent to target and license domain names to businesses. Due to the similar pronunciations and business connotations associated with ".biz," ".ebiz," and ".bz", Internet users would be confused as to which TLD must be used to locate a business related resource.
what, and bz == business? how does that work? They have the right to stop the creation of
Doesn't all this 3rd world country tld squatting (.bz
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Why top level domains anyway? They serve no purpose as they are abused all the time. Just throw them out.
Appeasement only works for a time. We don't want a short rest from being bagered by politicians, but an eternity. C.S. Lewis has a quote that I hold dear and illistrates this problem:
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." --C.S. Lewis.
"Drug related crime" is a misnomer, "prohibition related crime" is the more accurate and correct phrase.
We need a TLD for parody, vitriol, and critique. A TLD where the owner of a trademark is the only entity who is guaranteed NOT to own the corresponding domain. A place for virtual picket lines, so we aren't forced to sink to virtual graffiti. SUPPORT THE .NOT TLD
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As far as I can tell, the only TLDs that seem to be consistently valid are .gov and .edu. New TLDs don't solve the namespace problem, because companies and squatters will just buy the new versions of the same old names. They don't solve the organizational problem because there's no way to fully, fairly, and consistently enforce something like .kids.
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why would you need .xxx when you can get all your porn @ .com's!
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A rare chance for me to post here - I went up to the Marina today (Sunday) and caught the gTLD panel discussion and the welcome reception for the new at large ICANN members put on by the Berkman Center. To my surprise (considering how much Internet activity there is in the L.A. area) I seemed to be one of the few people there without ties to an entity involved in the current ICANN agenda.
Anyway, I would encourage anyone in the L.A. area to attend this coming Wednesday Nov 15th when they will have the public comment session. It may be crowded since c. 900 "public" members have pre-registered online, but what the heck? The Marriott Marina Hotel is on the corner of Via Marina and Admiralty Way, and you can often find free parking on Washington Street and then walk over.
Official ICANN details at www.icann.org, and I think the transcripts of today's Berkman Center event are at:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/pressingissu
TWR, Torrance, CA
I DO NOT understand their logic at all. This is surely not the brightest thing for them to do, they must be trying to keep their corporate sponsors (donations, fees, etc.) happy for now.
I'm no big fan of ICANN, but there is a fairly good explanation here.
>My problem with the .porn/.xxx TLD is that it gives the US too much power to enforce it's morals and beliefs onto
>other peoples.
>Like we don't already have that power as it is.
You said it yourself. They are already trying. We can either embrace a solution that will filter LESS good things (political sites, etc.), or fight with no hope of winning.
The politicians WILL put filters in place, they have, and they continue to. BOTH candidates for president and a majority of congressmen favor them.
We have to look at it logically. They arent going to stop. Their goal is to get porn away from kids.
Like good hackers, lets embrace a solution that works for BOTH sides..
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What are you talking about? This isn't software. It doesn't block anything. And if there are any legitimate sites in the porn TLD -- I've no clue why there would be -- I could make the choice not to block it quite easily. I can supervise my child, but I can also use this TLD to remove the largest risk of porn exposure on the net: commercial porn sites.
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I am sick of seeing urls like http://www.the-beach-the-movie.com whenever I go to the flicks.
There is a simple solution here. .kidsporn This domain can do two things.. satisfy the needs of perverts and fight crime! Perverts can have all the nasty domains they want, meanwhile it will make the tracking of child pornography offenders REALLY EASY!
-gerbik
Because you can't control every moment of your child's life.
.com (or even a free country-specific domain) and they don't want to pay for an extra domain. Maybe they don't consider their content to be "XXX" even though you do.
.com domains would have the opportunity to 'link' their .com domains to their .xxx domains and only pay for one. Anyone wondering whether or not their site is a pornographic should grab a dictionary: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement. In summary, a graphical sex ed. site would be .com, but a non-nude up-skirt site would be .xxx.
This makes no sense. I can't control everything, so I shouldn't try to control what I can?
Why should entire sections of the Internet be censored just because a curious child might see a nipple?
No one has successfully proven to me that simply adding a xxx TLD would result in censorship, and therefore "just because a curious child might see a nipple" is reason enough to do it.
Maybe they already have a
Perhaps for a certain period of time, owners of
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I think that there's another complementary danger involved with the .kids TLD. Imagine if .kids was reasonably well policed and turned out to be fairly safe for kids. That would be great, but I think we'd start to see all the net nanny-like programs including optional blocks for all sites except those ending in .kids. Before you know it, bureaucrats will be praising the new "safe" highly censored internet. In time, even high school libraries will be blocking students from accessing those pesky .com sites.
But if it's been labelled porn when it's really not, then you may not be able to access it because of parental, ISP, or government restrictions.
Parents have a right to restrict access for their children. The US government does not. ISPs should not. With the money coming from porn on the net and the intense competition among ISPs, I doubt they could.
But under the dictionary definition, goatse.cx wouldn't be in ".xxx" since I'm pretty sure it's intended to sicken rather than stimulate sexually.
Indeed. So you have found a loophole. But I fall back onto my argument that just because it isn't perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't use it at all.
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Yes, there seem to be a lot of web sites with women's ankles and faces uncovered. Obviously more restrictions are needed.
AMAZING. As of 2:28am Boston MA time, this site is DOWN due to an NT server error.
These guys are the creators of DNS infrastructure software....
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I guess I don't understand how this "works for both sides". To me, this seems like something that works a little for the "control the morals of everybody else" side, and not at all for those that would see information be completely free...
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Why not mimic the general Usenet Hierarchy for TLDs? For example, .alt, .comp, etc. These tld's would have wide recognition and represent what they have logically corresponded to for years.
The problem with .xxx and .kids, as I see it, is the problem you have with rating any content. Who is going to regulate and rate content that is appropriate for .kids on the one hand, and who is going to regulate and rate content that is outside the .xxx domain. There is first of all, the small problem of deciding that something should belong to the .xxx domain (or shouldn't belong in .kids). These are the same problems that made the CDA unconstitutional.
Then you have the problem, and I think it is a problem, that when you being pressuring websites to register as ".xxx" it facilitates censorship. As many theaters refuse to carry NC-17 rated movies, local laws prohibit kids under 17 from getting into R rated movies, and so on. Similar restrictions are being put onto video games. The fact that the movies and games are rated "voluntarily" just makes it easier for the government, businesses covering their ass, and concerned libraries and schools, to regulate it with blanket policies.
Remember that depending on how the net is implemented, it can be a place of freedom or a place of oppressive control.*
* Lessig, Lawrence. Code and other laws of cyberspace. 1999
Sure it sucks, but there will be abuse with any system that gets implemented. Some systems will just allow for a smaller amount of abuse than others; but it's stupid to blindly reject any system that gets proposed just because "it might be abused".
Of course it'll be abused. But having domains like .xxx and .kids will make it a lot easier to control, and cause a lot less confusion and abuse than the current system. I'm sure most people will stick to intended uses of the domain names; why throw out the idea just because a tiny minority of people might not? That's just plain stupid. Overall, life would most likely be much easier for everyone if we had .kids and .xxx. The small amount of abuse might actually become manageable ... I mean, a name like fuck.kids is going to stand out a lot more amongst the list of .kids domains than a name like fuckkids.com would stand out amongst the list of fuck*.com domaings.
I was thinking the same thing. If they were approved and people began abusing the new TLDs it would just stir up more conflict and new regulations would have to be drawn up and enforced.
Say if someone registered videogames.kids and a writer decided to review a game deemed as violent by some over-protective parents, what would happen then? complaints, loose the domain, legal action? Remember the etoys/etoy fiasco?
Kenn Ross
So is it OK for kids to be able to surf anywhere on the net? Many kids are surfing now and getting a real education from some of those sites. Do parents have the right to control the stuff that flows into their computers(or TVs)?
Most people seem to want to push for software filters. Many politicians want to force libraries to add filters. It might happen since libraries take a lot of federal money. It has been a common belief here on slashdot that software filters are bad because they censor things that should be OK for kids to see. They don't seem to work on the real porn very well either.
A XXX TLD would allow simple filtering and allow the people who want the porn to find it easy! Where is the slippery slope? Pictures of intercourse and genitalia are pornography! Pictures of nudes are not, but we can have a ADU TLD for that and the breast cancer stuff.
1. Where to find children to seduce.
2. How to get them to a state where you can rape them.
3. How to get away with it if caught.
This is NOT free speech, it is a CRIME.
That's no argument.
Imagine whitehouse.com linking with a 1-second redirect to whitehouse.xxx.
Then the OLD customers go to whitehouse.com, they NEW customers can go anywhere they want, and the actual site content can still be filtered based on suffix.
-Shane Stephens
Since when has it been ICANN's responsibility to police this? As much as I don't like the blatant commercial exploitation of children, companies such as Disney have a right to a web presence. And it's not like witholding a .kids TLD prevents them from existing.
Face it, we already have .edu, .gov, .mil, all of which ostensibly sort content by either topic or by "author type" (for lack of a better word) or sponsorship. These sort of distinctions make more sense than the geographical TLD names (ie, the .?? country codes).
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think a little harder.
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In the first paragraph, the article says that ICANN would be all for .biz and .dot. WTF would .dot be a TLD for?
.dash and various permutations. But mama always said, "Life is like a slashdot poll. Don't complain about lack of options- You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks."
This would be for ham radio operators and anyone interested in morse code. They thought about different variations, like
A seperate domain for pron and other adult related stuff can be very usefull.
.xxx, domain filtering would be very easy.
.xxx, you could punish every non .xxx porn site easily for having xxx stuff on their site.
.xxx domain, you could easily require all non porn search engines to NOT to link to .xxx domains.
If all the porn sites would reside on a
If you require every porn site to be
You could have different search engines for normal internet stuff, and adult internet stuff.
It's all about clear diffentiation (sp). If all porn sites have to reside on a
I'm a bit drunk, so I rest my case here, but I feel very strongly about this. A seperation between the internet and the pornnet can be made, and the only way it can be made is giving the porn-side of the internet their own TLD.
Johan V.
I think that the only thing wrong with .kids and .xxx are people who would abuse them (making a pron site in .kids for example). If ICANN would heavily police the domain to be sure the content was correct for the TLD then it might work.
(Um, nude people have genitalia.)
What about sex education sites? They may include drawings of intercourse, possibly even pictures. Pornographic?
What about STD or pro-abstinence sites that show pictures of infected genitalia? Pornographic?
What about sites concerning circumcision? Pictures of genitalia would be appropriate for such sites. Pornographic?
We await your judgment.
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http://www.whitehouse.com/. 'Nuff said.
All the ISP's get together and throw ICANN out. They're only there because nobody realises there'sa choice.
You cannot establish a situation in which content must be labeled. It leads directly to censorship, period. Its ONLY purpose is censorship.
censorship is Baddddd, m'mkay?
Or did you miss out on that bit of history where the minority was crushed, oppressed, killed, and generally not treated very nicely by the majority?
Which bit is that? Why, its all points in time before this one.
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Just assume that .kids was enforcable and only the nice non-offensive kid friendly sites would populate the .kids domain, what would this lead to?
.kids domain, and we would have so called child friendly internet access where all access to any knowledge (my primary use for the internet is to find stuff that I wouldnt normally be taught in school/college) is forbidden in schools and public libraries.
Censor software would have the option to just allow sites withing the
Not a good idea really is it?
Sun could be the dot in dot dot.
Slashdot dot dot?
Don't you mean:
slashdot dot dot dot for the FQDN?
There are 1.1... kinds of people.
What is wrong with this? ICANN should be renamed ICANT because they are so irresponsible and lazy.
I Cannot Accept Net Tyrrany. It can be the protestant arm of ICANN.
This is NUTS. The two MOST needed TLD's are .kids and .xxx/.porn..
.porn/.xxx. It would make filtering SO easy, SO universal. I would in half a heartbeat be happy to not allow porn sites on my system unless they ended in .porn/.xxx. What would consistitute porn? I would look for an existing policy, or write my own.
.porn TLD.
.kids would be.. Disney chat rooms anyone?
I DO NOT understand their logic at all. This is surely not the brightest thing for them to do, they must be trying to keep their corporate sponsors (donations, fees, etc.) happy for now.
AFTER this round of elections, the at-large elected members will finally havea say, and I would wager that things will become considerably different.
As a webhoster, I personally condemn them for not accepting
Yes, there are problems with that, but thats my choice. Dont like it, go to another hosting comapny. But I would wager to bet that PLENTY would do just about the same thing.
As it is I host multiple porn sites all happily, but that would probably change with a
Dont even get me started on how good
Yes, in all, this has got to be their WORST decision to date.
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I have always been a fan of multiple domain name systems, and I cheered on AlterNIC while they were still doing interesting things. Granted I didn't think the hijacking of that domain name was the greatest idea, but I think the competition between the systems was a great thing.
Obviously, people would try to get things like "www.goatse.kids" into the .kids domain all the time. It would be a constant battle, and the owners of .kids might be responsible for anything which slips through, which would make it a risky thing to own.
But the real problem isn't the clear-cut cases, it's the weird fringe ones. Should you let a site like Jessi The Kid onto the .kids domain, even though it's creepy as hell? How about Child Supermodels which seems to be another creep out site?
And it doesn't even have to get that creepy. On yesterday's Powerpuff Girls marathon, one episode involved the Mayor being naked, and they showed his animated, nude, behind. It was clearly funny, but when some lameass parent in Butfux, Nebraska complains about it, does www.powerpuff.kids get taken out of that domain?
I'm more than willing to help with this project if anyone else is interested in joining, making a team, or humoring me :-)
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
Ideally .xxx would work just great at the consumer service provider/server service provider level but what about the middlemen?
.xxx
.xxx worked so that public places would not risk showing objectionable material. But what about private use? If it can be done with .xxx then it can be done with any group specific TLD. Imagine if there were .rep or .dem being filtered? or .pot?
all of those hops that your packets go thru are routers/switches - and somewhere, sometime, there will be someone that decides that NOBODY should see porn and decide to block all
I think it would be great if
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How many pron webmasters set out to reach kids? None that I know of. What motivation is there? Getting them to pay w/ their parents credit card so the payment can be cancelled when they are found out. Alright! I'm going to push a legally sensitive product on a demography because I can.
Why not create a .usa to domain?
All other countries have their own top domains, but not USA.
Maybe it is because they have no President ;-)
"How DARE you label that book 'history and geography', you book burner!"
"Slap a 'social sciences' call number on that book and I'll have the ACLU all over you for violating my constitutional rights!"
"Look, lady, all I want to do is find the classical music section. What do you mean, 'Just look around'?"
"So, honey, is this a murder-mystery movie or a comedy?"
"Ms. Smith, would you please file this under 'old business'?" "Sorry, sir, I can't do that, First Amendment being what it is, and all."
"You mean I can't build an adult book store here just because there's an elementary school next door? Are you, sir, labeling the content of my business?"
Lee Kai Wen -- Taiwan, ROC
Every national TLD is two-letter, and every two-letter TLD is a national one. .us, but it seems that nobody wants to use it.
The US already have the TLD
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Check out www.e2p.com that reckon you can have .whateveryouwant as an extended TLD..
Not sure how it works but they're registering requests now.
That's kind of weird. I think .org .net and .com are the best to get anyway, though, because they are easiest to remember and most general and the only reason I've heard of others buying others were that they were cheaper. I think that this was because they had only heard of expensive places like NSI for buying them, though, because at gandi.net you can get them for only $10 or $11.
"I have not failed. I've simply found 10,000 ways that won't work." --Thomas Edison
None. Period.
Firstly, ANYONE can think up a billion TLD's and think of a use for them. Does that make them 'good ideas?'. No. It doesn't.
We should be REDUCING TLD's and getting back to alternative lookup services for locating web content. THe current geographic domain space is MORE than adequate to serve what we have already. THe problem is what people want to do with domains.
I ask everyone this: If we add more TLD's now, when will it end? A year or two later, the same parties will be bitching for more domains... and more money and power will be handed out with them.
You have to remember, porn sites (and most other sites) only need a DNS name for the frontpage. Once the site has you "there", you're just clicking on links. Whenever you bookmark something, it's done, you dont need to remember it.
.xxx went through, *and* (even more unlikely) the right wingers started enforcing this all-porn-in-.xxx rule, it wouldn't make any difference: all the porn would be on IP only servers, and the front door would get you to it. It wouldn't matter if people blocked .xxx or not. If the front page was in .xxx, that would be blocked, but with no porn actually on the page, it could be in .com or whatever. I guess you could even customise front pages for different domains...
Why is this relevant? Because once a user is on a porn site (or any other site), you dont need DNS, it doesn't matter if you're looking at http://www.sexytables.xxx/fetish/woody or at http://1.2.3.4/fetish/woody.
So to get to my point: porn sites only need DNS for the front page, and for indexing. They can put all the content up on something with only an ip address, and nobody will care. This means that even if
How to get round this? You ban linking. Now there's a thought...
Mike.
Tales from behind the Lagom Curtain
Because legit porn sites WANT to be filtered, so they don't have any liability from being viewed by kids. Of course the fly-by-nights won't use .xxx, and regardless you couldn't force porn operators to just use it, but for some producers and consumers it would certainly have been convenient. I agree that ICANN really blew it here.
By classifying their address as .xxx, they may be able to provide services without an age verification system (AVS)... but that does depend on a lot of precedent, yes.
-bugg
First off addind more things like .biz and .web or .whatever are not going to make more domains. Instead every company that has a domain already is going to register their name under all the new suffixes and then we are going to be almost exactly where we are now. .porn, .xxx, and .kids. BUT why don't they just do something to the affect of .kids.us, .kids.fr, etc... I think each country at least has a decent idea of what their kids can look at and what is considered to be porn. Then if the US deems that the french have decent kids sites they can allow .kids.fr to not be filtered and such.
Secondly I understand their reasoning behind not using
It seems stupid that there needs to be all this argument over the names. Cant they just have heaps, why is there a need to limit the supply? I dont think it matters what they use, you should be able to register every permutation of 3 letters. I think there are other forces at work. Like the registrars not wanting supply to totally outstrip demand and plummet the price. Plus all the corporations couldnt keep up with lawsuits over somthing like www.nike.sux
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Some adult is probably using this site to make money by selling the...video to people with sexual disfunctions of a pedophilic nature.
Competition within society leads to insane behaviour, cooperation can fix the problems.However, .mil is consistently valid, they don't even accept domains such as redarmy.mil which would be 100% in the spirit of the system.
BTW Does anyone know how to get an e-mail address (just that!) in .gov or .mil space when one is associated with neither body?
As a state gets corrupt, its laws multiply; the most corrupt states have the most numerous laws. (Tacitus, Annales 3:27)
They are exceedingly long. Have you ever been to nic.us? If you want a .us domain you have to choose domainname.city.state.us. For example, if I wanted to choose a domain with them I would be choosing mathjmendl.rochester.ny.us instead of mathjmendl.org. Who would want to make their surfers type in so many letters when there is a simpler way? They would also be harder to remember. Luckily, there are currently people reviewing this policy so that it might soon changing. Plus other countries don't have to register their name with the .country TLD as well. They just choose to more often, as they often have better policies than .us does.
"I have not failed. I've simply found 10,000 ways that won't work." --Thomas Edison
There was the ARPANET and all was chaos. And God came down and created the USENET and the earth. And it was good. And God took the USENET and said "Let there be rigidly enforced categories." And it too, was good. On the fifth day, God created all the categories of the Earth, such as the comp.*, and the rec.*, and the alt.*. And naught a newsgroup was created which fell where it belonged not, for the categories were moderated. And many people partook of the well-nomenclatured categories, and it was good.
Then came the web, and the corporations, and they too started with categories, such as *.net, and *.com, and *.org. Yet lo, they were unmoderated, and all sense of order was lost and it descended back into chaos.
Come on God^H^H^HICANN, give us categories with meaning!
If all the porn sites move to .xxx then eventually our school's sysadmin will block the .xxx TLD to conserve bandwidth. And then what will we have left to do on Friday nights??
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"Combining both, like .kidporn"
They already ruled on that one, we've been talking about it here... I don't think that the courts would find that nearly as funny as we would...
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"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I partially disagree. The .xxx TLD would pretty much guarantee "nudity" (but I think you mean pr0n). As mentioned in this earlier post, it would be all-but-impossible to restrict abuse of a ".kids" domain -- a daring website could register something innocuous like "notebook.kids" and fill it with pr0n. Yes, it would probably get shut down, but after how much time? A day? A week? It might be economically feasible to run a company that kept registering domains in .kids that only lasted for a few hours|days|weeks...
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum. I'm all out of bubblegum." MSE USC APX AIA CSI CASp
I know what you all think, but ICANN are right to reject domains such as .kids and .xxx
IMHO the domains we have at the moment are enough. Introducing many more will encourage people to be wasteful.
By using these TLDs as categories, too many could confuse the browsing public. EG. Now where is slashdot? is it .org because its non-commercial, is it .techie or is it .info or .dev ??? Information would be easier to find WITHOUT hundreds of TLDs
DEW YEW KEEP A TROSHIN
If I have a business that has already registered a .com domain, as soon as the new TLDs are available I'm going to rush out and buy the same name as a .biz and .web and .whatever to protect my name.
This doesn't open up new possibilities. The only thing adding TLDs like this does is make the domain registrars richer.
I think the problem with a .xxx TLD is that it would encourage porn to a greater degree. It's quite sad that we would all consider a .xxx TLD when we ignore respected parts of our communities. It makes the Internet world look even more trashy and unattractive. More practical domains such as .banc make sense, and maybe .rad for radio stations. Personally, I dont think there is that great of a need for more TLD's. With more TLD's, things just get even more complicated. You have to remember the domain name and the TLD. Also, companies would just register more domain names in the same name with another TLD (eg: cnn.com would become cnn.every tld). Either that or ripoff/parody sites would become more evident. If ICANN added 24 new TLD's, think how confused you might be!
The two sites you liked to are pretty... different to say the best. I have to ask what they are really trying to promote... Yes, the kids are fully clothed but some of them seem to have poses that can easily be taken as suggestive.
The names of one of the sites linked to:
"Cap'n Huggy's Galley Girls"
Okaaayyyyy. I'm going away now.
- Encourages disturbed individuals to easily target a youth market for their own purposes leading to violations of privacy, security, and sanctity.
- Encourages breakdown of federal law: http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9910/childfinal.htm
- How many articles must be covered out there until parents realize that the freedom of the internet is not safe for subteenage children and the security blankets of their homes because of (even a handful of) deranged individuals?
- Playful hackers could disrupt the family nucleus and do more harm than good by redirecting timothythe.kid to tims.porn.
Bottom line here is thatSoulStriker
SoulStriker
Am I wrong? Prove it.
no the pron webmaster potentially would use the .kids domain to attract disgusting perverts with credit cards and real kids could find this stuff by accident
But is this really a problem? No. The solution is to eliminate ICANN and WIPO, and any other organization that controls anything on the internet. Sure, it might be a little chaotic at first, but after a while, I'm sure there would be some agreed upon standard.
or, they could just make a million top level domains. they could use something like .aaa .aab .aac .aad ... etc. It wouldnt be pretty, but I wouldn't mind.
bottom line is, the whole TLD thing was fucked up from the start. so just leave it how it is. It's fine. there is pretty much an infinite combination of domain names you can produce with .com, .org, .net, etc.
Another solution would be just to disable DNS altogether. All we need is the IP address. This would get rid of corporate domain name lawsuits completely, and free up the courts for something productive. Whenever you see an AOL commercial, they would advertise their website as their IP address. This would be great. Everyone would run their own "dns", so they would just type in the IP address and save it as "aol" or something, so next time they opened their browser all they gotta type is "aol". How could it get any easier? Of course, Microsoft would ship windows with some predefined dns entries.
Ok, an even better solution.. From now on, at birth, everyone gets assigned their own serialized IP address. When they get older, they get to take a test, and if they pass it, they can get a domain name. Ok bad idea.
Ok here it is. Get rid of .com, .org, etc. and have like, name.{person}{business}.city.state.country.planet. solarsystem.galaxy. for example. Microsoft's home page would be: http://microsoft.business.redmond.wa.us.earth.sun. milkyway
seems pretty good, huh? that is the only solution.
Well im gonna go now, I think mozilla is finished compiling ;-)
.kids could be the hardest TLD to implement out of them all... First off part of the point of having .kids would be to create some kind of standard as to what is "kid" appropriate material is. Kids mean different things in different societies, states, etc. Also, content for a 16 year old "kid" may not be appropriate for a 7 year old "kid". Basically I think this is an issue of who would create, and what would be the standard of content being allowed for .kids. Secondly it would also be an issue of policing this content to make sure it keeps within the ".kids" standards. Indeed it'd be a difficult job. I dont think they're being thrown out either, just set aside for now.
"Why not offer to add porn sites to .xxx?"
It's like the Parental Advisory stickers on music. Sure, it sounds like a good idea. Then you get a gang of monkeys deciding what's "explicit", and companies like Wal-Mart deciding not to carry stickered items. I don't want content producers to be forced to decide ".xxx or not?" and I don't want courts or even private bodies telling people whether or not a site belongs there.
I was just making a sarcastic jab at the very fact that the democractic systems of the US (and ICANN) are seriously flawed :)
Karma makes sense. It makes a lot more sense if you add reincarnation.
Brilliant post!
For those of you who didn't get the joke, "let a hundred flowers bloom, let a thousand schools of thought contend" was the motto of the Hundred Flowers Campaign, a loosening of orthodoxy in China under Mao. It was a set-up -- people who expressed unorthodox opinions during the campaign were ruthlessly crushed in the following Cultural Revolution.
There's no "we" in team, only "me"
I'm looking forward to my new email with atdot when the new domain comes up...
at@atdot.dot seems appropriate enough...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
I think .com is intended for commercial activities, while .biz would be reserved for dubious "internet marketing opportunities", MLM, etc.
;-)
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We were talking about it, and he said they'd never get it because it was "too controversal." ... just think of all the inapprorpriate domains possible: molest.kids , naked.kids , mcdonalds.kids :)
Basically no one wants to take the blame for creating domain thats supposed to be entirely santized for young eyes
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Play more violent networked games!!! :^)
I vote for BZFlag...a game which, by the way, is open source, multi-platform, and is badly in need of developers, since the current ones don't seem to have a lot of time on their hands. Check out the bzflag site on sourceforge: http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/
when we gonna see the .zip, .tar, .gz or even .exe?
ICANN, instead of sorting and generalizing content by generic TLDs, is trying to come up with TLDs to please the site owners and domain registrars. Those of course prefer the trendy cool names, like .ebiz.
.sex? Or .xxx? What about sites which contain violence or any other sort of "entertainment" suitable only for adults? Why not make it a generic ".adult" or ".adu"?
Why the E? Because 'electronic' is the buzzword today? It's on the web, so it's already electronic. And why "biZ"? Why using a buzzword term, instead of a short for the real word "business"?
Why
As to ".bz", the threat must be ignored. Country TLDs were given for a reason - to represent a country. Bending the rules by having enough money and tricking the system is a bad thing to be accepted. I think ICANN should make a reverse claim, that people might confuse people into thinking ".bz" sites represent Belizze (since it's the official meaning of the TLD), while in fact those are from a bought out legacy TLD.
If the goal is to have '.cool', '.sucks', '.notsucks', '.gnu' etc., why not drop the whole thing and have just the domain names? (ala Compuserve's GO MICROSOFT)
Why not make .porn or .xxx? It would make it MUCH easier to legislate. Require all explicit sites to use either of those domains and then it would be very simple to restrict young people from viewing them. It would also prevent accidental opening of such sites by unexpecting visitors (such as my high school teacher who opened up www.whitehouse.com on a display screen only for an entire class to see pornography).
If the ISPs wanted to support alternative rootservers, there's nothing stopping them. The software is open source; you can set up your own alternate rootserver if you feel like it.
All ICANN does is set policy regarding the root servers that the U.S. government managed and then gave ICANN responsibility for and authority over. That's it.
There's no "we" in team, only "me"
any idea how to do this?
I'd be interested.
Pity there won't be a .kids.
Internet would be much more secure just by blocking enverything from script.kids.
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We ran a bit some weeks ago making fun of new domain names like .donkeylove and .spankme and the results have been quite weird. Some days half of my hits are Googlebots. It results in some strange events in our logs. I don't know why, but one mention of media critic Roger Rosenbladt put us at the top of that string's search, above any home page the man himself may have. Our site is very low traffic. Strange.
Read all about The Great Googlebot Clusterhump of 2000.
Let me get this straight, you don't want your kids to learn about the Holocuast?! That is about the craziest thing I have every heard. Those who don't learn/respect history and its mistakes are those doomed to repeat it.
Inspired. They pay the Belize government so they can own a cool name, that sounds a bit like 'biz'. It would obviously confuse people to have a real .biz TLD. Duh!
What next, the Tongan government trying to claim exclusive use of the To: header?
I recently discovered that clothed people have genitalia as well.
My problem with the .porn/.xxx TLD is that it gives the US too much power to enforce it's morals and beliefs onto other peoples. Like we don't already have that power as it is.
Who, exactly, would be forcing these other countries to filter out the porn TLD? This is just labelling that makes it easier for individuals to self-censor. If you (or another nation) don't feel that it's necessary, you don't have to do anything. The Internet will still work the same way it always did. The only people left out would be the people who don't want to see the stuff anyway.
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Sure, choke the root nameservers with 100% of the address space -- see if we care.
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If GwBush becomes president, and a bill that he signs says "Any computer paided for by goverment money will have a filter on it" (like he said he would sign) I am going to have a hell of fun time cracking and uninstalling filters in every public library computer I can get to.
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November 12, 2000
This just in:
The economic and military super power known as Belize, has filed an official court bitching to halt ICANN from creating .biz Top Level Domain Name due to its similarity to the Belizian domain name ".bz".
El Presidente Jose Chi-chi del Don Pablos threatened to use the well-known Belizian military might to stop ICANN if necessary. "We are not afraid of those silly Americans with their Holleywood and their free trips to the salad bar," informed Pablos. "We will make them our bitch in a war. Just last night I beat pummelled President Abraham Lincoln in a game of FreeCiv. Muhahahahaha. Ha."
A spokesman from the pentegon countered Pablos threats saying that "The Belizian weapons of mass destruction consist mostly of sharpened sticks and four-pound rocks. However, this may change as our sources tell us that they are on the verge of discovering the wheel." Still, some guy on the street told CNN that Belize's box-wheeled chariots are amongst the best in Central America. And, even worse, they have sticks which are really, really sharp. Dan Rather insisted that the conflict is getting "hotter than a Laredo parking lot."
When quasi-president elect George "Dub" Bush was asked what he thought of the situation, he candidly replied "Where's Belize?"
Meanwhile, other nations have also started filing court injunctions to protect ICANN from what many refer to as "severe anal rapage of entire countries with their crazy domain shenanigans." Hopping on the bandwagon faster than a bossa nova-ing Marimba player, Columbia asked that ".com" be changed to "something else" due to the similarity to its country name. They suggested ".us_sucks_in_soccer". Likewise, Uganda (.ug) claimed that because their TLD has a g in it, the countries of Ghana, Germany, Greece, and Guadalaoupe are now its minor provinces. "We own their ass," said a Ugandese spokesperson. Bolivia's (.bo) only comment was "Something stinks."
Experts say that this fiasco could last for weeks, and that hopefully Florida will either secede from the Union or replace the punch-ballots with Bingo Cards.
Quasi-president-electoral-lost, Vice President Al Gore, had little to say on the issue, but insisted that since he invented the Internet, the decision is entirely his, so there.
When I was a member of INET list (a long time ago) I propose to drop the .com, .org, .net, .gov because it is all too U.S. baised.
.com -- .com is pretty useless in shorting the search. Hell how offen do you find a business by it URL anyway 1 in 10, 1 in 50, 1 in 100?.
.ibm --> go to U.N. Telecom and buy it there say $50k - helps pay for U.N. This way trademarks world wide WILL BE RESPECTED.
.ibm.rochester.mi.us, .ibm.mi.us, .ibm.us, .ibm
.ea to the end of all the above. .sol if we leave this solar system.
Now if the million(s?) of domains out there under
So dump it all.
Yahoo, Lycos, and the rest are the real name engines.
If you want keep the naming convention here is simple plan...
.coke,
.USSteel.us, swatch.ch --> go to that country's office to get it. -- say $5k for country wide - again country wide trademark is respected.
.waltdisneyworld.fl.us --> go to the state's office to get it. -- say $500 - now state wide trade marks are respected.
.bulls.chicago.il.us --> go to city or county office $50 and local trade names are respected.
Now if you are growing company - you just keep bying up the tree.
So IBM may buy
Now if we expand beyond this globe... add
Now to protect kids and the rest. When IPv6 is running, assign xxx to a oct prefix. Akind to 900 numbers.
jackb
"But the real problem isn't the clear-cut cases, it's the weird fringe ones. Should you let a site like Jessi The Kid onto the .kids domain, even though it's creepy as hell?"
That site is scary... When it first loaded I thought 'CooK' on one of the picture links said something similar but not quite so nice...
I wonder sometimes what happens when kids are subjected to the attention that this girl is getting... When I was that age (being male) I was playing with model rockets and Hot Wheels cars and Legos and Computers, not being a 'pre-teen lifestyle' person with a tatoo on my lower abdomen in a sexually suggestive spot... That is really sick (IMHO)
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
Why not add .xxx? ICANN could offer to switch existing porn sites to .xxx; filtration systems would become very efficient and actually worthwhile... ICANN is making a big mistake.
"It was felt that having seperate .xxx and .kids TLDs would cause confusion due to an arbitrary division of overlapping interest areas."
.net be used for bondage pages."
.kids TLD, such as the evil brainwashing of the Disney Corporation and various churches..."
.xxx domain was a concern ... we felt that it was highly likely to be used for bikini shots, beauty nudes, and soft-core pornography that doesn't even show penetration ... the distinction between X-rated and XXX is not likely to be respected, and even mere R-rated material may be included..."
"...kids like porn as much as anybody..."
"...we recommend that
"We were very worried about misuse of the
"Misuse of the
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Nobody who goes through the trouble to join ICANN wants bad PR for the internet.
.xxx domain is implicit approval of pornography as a normal and major part of the internet. Mucho bad PR. It's one thing to support freedom and say people can put whatever they want on a .com site, then you have culpable deniability "Sure, I hate what they're doing, but I support freedom of expression!", but officially recognizing and aiding the porn industry makes you part of it (in many eyes). Just imagine if the FCC designated a certain amount of radio bandwidth specifically for the broadcast of pornography; the public at large can't see much difference.
.kids domain implies that the rest of the internet is inappropriate for children. Furthermore, when the .kids domain is abused (and it would be inevitable) it would make the internet look even worse.
Having an
Having a
Either way, it would mean bad PR and more calls for government interference.
The other problem is that all these places that have their great domain names as one of their biggest assets would have to move to the more appropriate TLDs and maybe take their chances on whether they can get a good name again.
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We're not talking about human beings, we're talking about ad men (cough spit wash yer mouth out) and spammers, it's the old 'if I don't do it someone else will'. There would be extra-young.kids, all-you-can-eat.kids. lots of great ideas in the world (communism would be one) but they don't work. ppl suck.
~ppppppppö
What motivation is there for setting up goatse.cx? Abuse of .kids would happen, whether it gives profits to the abuser or not. Some people get a kick out of fucking with others.
Domains are first come first serve. So whether it is a test or whatever registar, if you need a domain, you gotta register it first the moment the system becomes avail. So this situation is totally predictable, and it was done totally on purpose.
What is amazing is not only were the registars' servers overloaded, so was the main registration system...
And I am sure people know by now that this thing is all about making $$$. Cybersquating is encouraged. It is obvious. Who the hell would use 30 domains at once? ISPs registering for their clients? Ya right.
No wonder the web is going no where ever since the businessmen got involved.
I have a bucket next to my desk because everytime there is something to do with domains it makes me puke!!!!
Combining both, like .kidporn
Inflation is everywhere.
But they're there! ;)
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There is one advantage of the .kids TLD in this situation. I for one wouldn't mind to have an aggressive filter system on that.
.kids make sure you can go through whatever censorware people will want. If you want to target kids, make sure it is appropriate.
.kids could be useful.
Say you only allow those domains for your kids. Then put an filter that'll remove any traces of sexual content or whatever. A 10 years old doesn't necessarily need to be able to get to site about abortion.
So if you put your site on
That's at least one way why
At least in the US anyone viewing porn at work can expect to be fired. Maybe they get one warning, but that would be it. Sexual harrassment laws pretty much require a company to block it. Besides, the internet connection at work is for buisness use, not personal. I could make an arguement that /. is buisness (Hey, I'm in technology and it is a technology site. I'd probably lose, but it could be made, I can see an arguement for porn at work.
While it is true that buisness would be lost from the few that are looking at porn where they shouldn't be, but I think most porn providors would go for this. Any movie director can slap a X rating on his own film, and most porn directors do this automaticly to get the buisness of people looking for a porn film. to these directors it is better to be rated X, then to be rated R (NC-17? I'm not up on these ratings) with terribal reviews. People going to movies rated less then X generally care a little about a quality film, while some folks going to rated X movies only care about sex. (In general of course)
It is fairly easy to write (get) a script that sends you to a random .xxx website. Again, this is good for all porn operators.
That's because they know some day some hacker will switch the two domains, for the enjoyment of both adults and kids.
Of course, why make it easy to filter when companies like n2h2 are doing so well (simrk)?
Lawdy
The only people who stand to benefit from new TLDs are the registrars. New TLDs will force companies to resgister their brand name under all of them in order to protect it. Do you seriously think that Disney would allow www.disney.xxx to exist (or any other company for that matter)? Of course not, it will have to register it to protect it, funnelling $$ into the pockets of NSI and their ilk...
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
If someone registered ibm.xxx, would that constitute cybersquatting or whatever? Since everyone knows that the company that owns ibm.net ibm.com ibm.shop ibm.banc etc doesn't sell porn, there should be no ambiguity here. But if guinesssux.com can be confused with guiness.com, then would the kid of an ibm employee be allowed to host their personal webpage on ibm.kid?
.biz is a cool sounding TLD or whether it'll just teach your kids how NOT to spell correctly? Does it take long to imagine what geocities will do to the people that buy .geo domains? What does .geo mean anyway? TLDs for geostationary satellite companies? What on earth is .web for? Sites what only host http? Cuz I guess ftp isn't really the web eh?
.support and .download domains too?
Why does it take so long to consider new TLDs? Send me your shortlist of 24 TLDs and I'll give you my decision in 2min. Do you really need to have a business lunch to discuss whether
What would ibm.info contain? Info on the company IBM's credit worthiness, or does ibm put info for their products there? Since many companies also have support.mycompany.com and download.mycompany.com, maybe we should sell them
I hope that when I establish my own country I won't have to wait so long to get a country TLD.
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The Chinese head of state wrote to say that he was "intrigued" by .notrepublicanordemocrat, but he wanted it changed to .notrepublicanordemocratormarxistleninistmaozedong thought.
I'm not really sure if he got the concept, but BTW, did
you know his e-mail sig is "Let a hundred flowers bloom, let
a thousand schools of thought contend"?
Several people wrote with concerns about what to do with violent porn. Does it go in ".violent" or ".porn"? The only reasonable solution seems to be to make a single TLD, .pornorviolence.
A church elder from a Mormon splinter sect in Utah sent a really nice e-mail. He and the other members of their town's school board had been concerned that letting their kids access the internet might expose them to the idea that it's considered unusual in most of the U.S. for you and all of your sisters and cousins to be married to the same uncle. I suggested a ".notmormonsplinterpolygamistsect" TLD, but he said that would be bad, because all Mormons, including his sect, consider themselves to be Christians. So the solution is that .nonchristian will not allow any negative
references to polygamy.
Finally, I'm a little distressed that some misguided people moderated my original post as "Funny." From now on, they'll be relegated to a new TLD, .seeinghumorwherenonewasintended.
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Why don't US sites have to use .USA or .US in their extension? Is it because we think we're better than everyone, or what?
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I think this set of people would be isomorphic to the set of people who would have child porn, credit card fraud, copyright violation, or be operating against the acceptable use policy of their ISP.
.com". I doubt that in the presence of .xxx, any legally operated porn site would have find an economic advantage to use non .xxx domains, in any capacity other than as "redirectors" to the .xxx domain.
Thus, it becomes a simple matter of procecuting them for fraud or whatever, rather than "illegal porn on
Content based filtering might still be deemed necessary by some people, but far fewer, and it could be made more effective, with fewer false positives (which is all I personally care about -- I think it is totally inappropriate for schools/libraries/etc to use filters with the level of false positives that they have today).
I can see a good reason to avoid a .kids domain name: Namely that it's, in my opinion, highly unlikely to be used for its intended purpose. I can envision a world filled with www.theworldssexiest.kids and similar domain names, and if the .kids domain is marketed as being a place for "safe" domain names (www.education.kids), then it may lead to things like filtering software overlooking the porn sites that are sure to move in.
.kids (or .xxx, even), if they get filled up with sites that don't have anything to do with the tld? The state that our current tlds are in, i.e., filled up and abused, is due to the notion that anyone can register anything.
.kids, .xxx, .business, .whatever, and instead just go for generic names (.one, .two, .three, or what have you) that better represent the eventual content of those domains?
I don't think many of these targeted domain names are going to meet with much success unless some agency (ICANN, perhaps) manages to come up with a way to restrict the registerable domain names to on-topic sites. What's the good of having
If the people in charge aren't going to restrict use of the new domain names to on-topic sites, why name them
I could shoot myself for missing the voting for that... I think .xxx and .kids makes a lot of sense, and .biz makes no sense. There's already a place for business, it's called .com.
.kids a place you'd be guaranteed to not see nudity. It would certainly help the whole library filtering schmozzle. It's a lot easier to reliably filter out the TLD than actual content.
.kids though.
.xxx would be a place where you'd be guaranteed (!) to see nudity, and
I can see their point about determining content in
The revolution will NOT be televised.
I agree about this, although there do seem to be groups attempting to promote more technological and education-related stuff online. And there's still the online gaming industry, a big monster just waiting for someone to get it mad.
-RickHunter
just get some people and buildup an alternative domain system ... many people would use this ... and nobody could control this system ...
Move the ICANN corporate office to Florida.
Don't take this seriously...
Here's a wicked thought. If we don't like what ICANN does, given their undemocractic nature, we can always choose to rebel and incite a civil uprising. Generally speaking, western governments support, if not directly, the "people" of a "nation" when they overthrow a "dictatorship".
But what happens when a dictatorship is actually set up by the world's greatest democracy? Oops, forgot. Firstly ICANN isn't purely American (more at large members outside than from the US of A) and secondly, I doubt the US is, given the Florida situation, still the world's greatest (example of a working) democracy.
Karma makes sense. It makes a lot more sense if you add reincarnation.
I also think we should have .nonchristian, so that Christian
fundamentalists can websurf without being exposed to
Buddhism, animism, shintoism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Judaism,
and Catholicism. (You knew the Pope was the antichrist, right?)
I propose Pat Buchanan as TLD registrar for this one.
Oh yeah, you know the people who were proposing .kids referred
to it as a "quality-assured" TLD. You know what would really be
great? A quality-assured .porn TLD! Not that I would know myself,
but I've heard that a lot of porn on the internet is really not
very sexy. It's like, "oh, I have a zoom lens, let's get a real
close-up picture of the female genitals." So I want a quality-
assured .porn that would censor out all the porn that doesn't
turn me on personally. I'll volunteer to administer it.
While we're at it, let's have .islamicfundamentalistporn.
You see, in the same way that I find "Endoscopic Vulva Voyage"
unsexy, a lot of men in Afghanistan probably would find even U.S.
soft porn really nonerotic. So .islamicfundamentalistporn
would have pictures of women with their elbows or
hair exposed, but not much else. I think the Taliban would
make an excellent TLD registrar for this one.
Oh, one final suggestion. As an American, I fear and loathe any political viewpoint that doesn't fit within the nice, narrow, comfy confines of the Republican-Democrat part of the spectrum. Could we have .notrepublicanordeomcrat,
so I can make sure not to be exposed to anything from the
Greens or Libertarians?
The great thing about this kind of stuff is that it would let ISPs and webhosts avoid all those troublesome complaints from people who are offended by content. And by making it administered by private, unaccountable groups, we avoid the inconvenient possibility that anyone would try to weaken the system with dissent. Heck, people wouldn't even know they should dissent, because all the content would have been censored without their knowledge!
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Just as DNS sits above numeric IP addresses, why not have something sit above DNS? This sidesteps all the scaling problems like the one you mention, but it still presents to the user a saner namespace.
Ideally, it would not only get rid of .com/.net/.org confusion, but it could take you to the most relevant site among many run by a given entity, e.g., typing "yahoo" and getting yahoo.com or yahoo.co.uk, as appropriate.
Let's not leave this to the AOLs of the world.
No. There are already laws in place that "cencor" x-rated content. It is the 18 year old or over rule (different in some places). XXX sites usually know they are XXX. So by sayin "all .xxx will be filtered on filters" what sites can do is go to .xxx and rest assured that they are differentiated.
In my opinion, it doesn't have to be enforced. Even if it is voluntary, having domains like .kids and .xxx is much more domain worthy by definition (DOMAIN). Having tons of names like .site .info .biz .inc .web is what is truly useless.
And also, we ARE talking about cencorship. Yes. It is already illegal for minors to view porn. So you are debating that law, not .xxx.
And get the MPAA out of the rating business. Conflicts of interest, and they don't exactly support free speech (see the DeCSS fiasco). Get an independent group.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
Why do we need suffixes? what is the real difference between .com and .net? Is anyone policing their assignment? Of course, .gov, .mil and .edu seem to be policed, but they are US-centric.
I say, instead of trying to come up with a bunch of new suffixes, just drop them and let people use whatever names they want. Why http://slashdot.org when you can simply http://slashdot
Of course, this could cause problems with intranet vs. internet sites, but we could work around that to..
I would be interested in participating in a distributed DNS project. I have absolutely no experience doing anything with IP, DNS, routing, or anything, aside from my 4-PC home LAN, 3 Windows boxes and a Linux box (which won't talk to my Windows ones...) I would, however, be willing to basically follow every link on every page I come to, then compress and send you the cookies (generally anyuser@domain.name), so you could either add those, or whatever. This has potential - we should try and gather support for it. JKoebel [root@linux /root]# man ls
I'm dissapointed that .kids wasn't allowed while things like .biz are. The Internet is becoming more and more solely a place for businesses to do business with each other, to the exclusion of all else on the web. It is okay when it is happening from the bottom up (web sites on their own are more and more business oriented) but when a mandate like this comes down from heaven, it is very hard to encourage growth in other sectors. ICANN needs to realize that there is more to the web than business, that other things should be allowed to flourish. And I don't buy the claim that they couldn't patrol the .kids domain well enough.... put in guidelines for them if you need to, but don't shut it down.
On another note, this is complete BS:
According to a letter posted on ICANN's Web site, Economic Solutions is seeking a restraining order from a Missouri federal court prohibiting ICANN from establishing a ".biz" or ".ebiz" domain address or any other combination that is similar to the country code of Belize, ".bz."
Lawyers for Economic Solutions say the company entered into a marketing agreement with Belize to use the Internet address and therefore owns the intellectual property rights to the name. .
I'd love to see them even try to win this case.
How about Child Supermodels which seems to be another creep out site?
Okay, I have to say that I've seen disturbing stuff on the net.
Some of it is just downright vile.
But this Child Supermodels site is just flat-out creepy. I swear to god, you can replace all of the pictures of little girls with clothes with adult(?) women without clothes and you've got yet another porn site.
Look at some of these banners!
And the comments?
"Working with young girls is both a pleasure and a privilege for me." I'll bet it is, ya sick freak!
"Thousends of pictures all exclusive teen models. click and find out why we are the best!" Sounds like a pull quote off of any of a thousand porn sites.
*shudder* I agree with the other poster; I don't care how cute my kids end up being, there is no way in hell that I would ever inflict this kind of life or publicity upon them.
Jay (=
(You can even vote for your favorite "kid model" site! I swear, this is just some kind of crypto-anarchist pedophile ring site or something... ick ick ick...)
First, of course have many TLD's. Second, if some outfit wants to take .xxx or .kids and charge enough to police the damn thing for a certain level of consistency - why not? This isn't ICANN putting its rep on the line, but kids-registrar.net. It either builds a brand of the TLD, and charges accordingly, or it becomes as cheap and meaningless as .com, .org and .net. This is freedom - as in market. And if a site doesn't want to be caught in a "no .kids" filter, it's easy enough to have several domain names pointing to the same site - but the point is the advantage of being findable by someone who runs a ".kids only" filter. This increases freedom, increases quality, and the only folks who lose out are registrars who want top dollar for new TLD's without this significant value-added.
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
In the first paragraph, the article says that ICANN would be all for .biz and .dot. WTF would .dot be a TLD for?
Sun could be the dot in dot dot.
Slashdot dot dot?
Laugh while you can, monkey boy!
Do they have any idea what .dot is going to do to phone based tech support?
tech: That's slashdot.dot
customer: /...
tech: No, slashdot.dot, all spelled out
customer: Oh... slashdotdotdot.com
tech: No, slashdot is spelled out, then there is the period character, then "dot" is spelled out. There is no dot com.
customer: Who is this dot character?
...and so on and so forth, for several more minutes. Really, if it isn't .com, .org, or .net, who cares anyway? It takes a long time for a TLD to become "fashionable". Recently, .de seems to be more recognizeable to a lot of non Germans. Otherwise, unless you are interested in a particular country the "big three" are where it's at.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Why would a porn company start hosting on .xxx where it would be automatically filtered?
Because it's profitable. Successful porn companies *want* to be filtered. You see, in the porn business, you don't want to show your stuff to just anybody -- just people who will pay for it. By and large, the under 18 crowd, and the people who use public libraries for an ISP, don't have much money. The "screening" is good for business -- it focusing your traffic on paying customers.
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There are a few reasons why .xxx wont happen.
As many people have already pointed out. ".xxx" is easy to filter. So why would people move from a very hard to filter ".com" to a very easy ".xxx"? Yes you might say that legislation will be put in place to make sure operators user this format however some countries may not follow suit so they will just move to a more "friendly" country for their sites.
Alot of people have paid alot of money for their 'nice' domain names "girlz.com" or something similar. If they were then forced to move from their current home to an easily filtered one, they will then lose prime property.
It might not be a matter of promoting the dark side of the web however a matter of non acceptance . I can see it now "man why you got a porn site without a .xxx domain" "because i dont have to"
BTW will playboy move to .xxx or since they are a big company will they be .com? Wonder who will would be the first to get x.xxx ?
Why would people host a porn site on .kids? The porn sites want you to go to their site, see a little bit of skin, and then give them your credit card #... kids do not have credit cards. Also upon registering an agreement would be signed to the effect of there will be no objectionable material on this site (of course that depends on the locale and peoples opinions but the agreement would be much longer and much more specific)
.adult (my preference) no problem I feel. The little ones would trickle eventually. There would still be some random porn sites on .com, .org, .net, .etc but most would move to .adult.
.kids domain.
The "quality" porn sites (Playboy, Hustler, i.e. the big ones) would move over to
As for you people that are worried about people registering www.naked.kids and such, what is the point of that? They could have www.nakedkids.com if they wanted probably. But if they actually had naked kids on the site they would be violating the contract of having a
If I spent as much time on homework as I do on Slashdot I'd be an A student.
as much as the exclusion of the .xxx dissapoints me (due to the easy filtering of system admins at schools), who says that if you have a .xxx domain, you have to have a .kids domain?
.kids domain, you'd have something you had to police, but if you just have a .xxx domain (no policing required), and you'd get people who would be of age, and would want to access .xxx sites, a place where they could access with ease (and I think those evil corporations would like this).
.xxx sites (and hopefully get the majority of the porn sites off schools).
.. I don't know a single race where it is right to show pornography to kids ... someone prove me wrong?
the fact is, that if you have a
anyway, if all goes well, you could still go to places like disney.com and expect to get kids safe content (unless some cracker was beging a real prick), and all you have to do is just block out
oh, and the guy who said it wasn't the internets job to decide morals for us
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Surely you're not talking about the United States.
Our democratic system is seriously flawed...
For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
What is the point? Do you realy see microsoft renouncing .com in favour of .monoploy?
.us you saw? .uk is slightly better but the majority of whater.co.uk sites are exactly the same as whatever.com.
.com now. .com should mean international company, but in my "42% of statistics are made up" mode I'd gues half of .com sites arent companies, and 70% of the rest arent international.
.com and .org, has both TLD's covered.
.com will always be the most desirable.
.com, .org, .net and any other TLD now, and replace them with much more specific names, like .food, .gnu and .computers
Thers a lot of country domains now, yet when was the last
Even your local ma and par shop is a
Even if there were enough TLD's so that major companies couldnt register, do you realy think a site could exist at www.aol.dj?? Nope, AOL would sue their butts because of those 3 letters.
New TLD's wont increase the number of TLD's available. People get confused ofer apache.com and apache.org, imagine another 20 apache.* sites! Even the great slashdot, home of the geek, who should know the difference between
The general public want to type one word in and
Whatever happens with the new TLD's,
The only way of changing the system would be to delete all
Just my ramblings.
To quote the ICANN report, which is in turn quoting the COPA commission:
It goes on to conclude: While there are many legitimate gripes with ICANN, I think they got this one right.Incidentally, wouldn't this discussion have been a lot more useful if Timothy had taken the two minutes necessary to find and include a link to the ICANN report, or maybe even the ten minutes necessary to read the relevant section and add a couple of comments?
It is interesting to see attempts to block TLD's that could be confused with Belize (.bz). Could it be that perhaps Belize is gearing up to position .bz as "The Business TLD" and sell it to American registrants -- similar to the way Tuvalu took advantage of its .tv domain?
I remain convinced that the only solution is to implement a very large number of TLD's, enough to de-value them and stop the two biggest problems: cybersquatting, and people registering in every possible TLD.
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ICANN is completely clueless about their role on the Internet. Sometimes I even wonder if they know what they're doing.
.xxx! No more need for dumb-ass programs that lamefully try to protect kids from hardcore.
Create a "net red light district" is something good for the community as a whole. Even net.porn lords want
Oh Lord, save the Net from ICANN dumbness!
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What would I find on www.microsoft.xxx, www.cnn.xxx and www.slashdot.xxx?
.xxx and .kids? These two were thrown out because they are ridiculus. The very idea of giving one organization the power to say "Your content is offensive. You forfit your domain name." is a terrible way to go. What about comedy sites? Will they be forced to give up their domain and go to .xxx because they have a picture of someone mooning someone else? The internet must remain a bastion of free-speech. No one has the right to not be offended. Some people seem to think they do. In my view its just like television, if you don't like the content, turn the channel or turn it off!
Why doesn't ICANN want .kids and .xxx?
.kids sites is kid-safe. But who is to determine that. If you are ICANN, do you want to set up a department to handle complaints and enforcement to keep .kids sites clean? What happens when someone puts a porn site in .kids? (Believe me, *someone* would do it.)
.xxx and .kids will not work. They are subjective, and they will not be followed anyway. ICANN is smart to reject them.
Because ICANN is basically interested in protecting the interests of large companies and their trademarks. They don't want to control content.
.kids implies that the content of
.xxx implies that the content is porn. It also implies that anything non-.xxx is NOT porn. Who dictates this? What happens to all of the non-.xxx porn sites out there now? Who is ICANN to tell them they most change their domain name?
Also, who gets microsoft.xxx?? Or whitehouse.xxx?
The trademark issues are pretty significant.
Bottom line is
The problem is just that .xxx and .porn just don't have any frickin' style. However, if you could set up a porn site with a name like booblicious.cum.... Now that's sex appeal. :D
In expanding the pool of Internet addresses, the system's governing body should reject proposals for children and adult domains such as ".kids" and ".xxx" but embrace applications such as ".biz" and ".dot," a staff report released Friday recommends. (emphasis mine)
Uh oh, here come's the slashdot.dot or slash.dot urls...
Who died and made ICANN nanny? Anybody with the word International in their name has absolutely no legal justification for this kind of morals enforcement. There is no coherent body of international law that supports the exclusion of .xxx, .kids, etc. In fact, the arbitrary actions of ICANN amount to monopoly style behavior, as they control the commodity of Internet names.
ICANN, as well as all the other stakeholders like the CONSUMERS, should lobby int'l standards setting bodies to create some kind of rules for morals as applied to the internet. Until that point it is absolutely wrong for a bunch of Western digerati to screw up the economic opportunities of everyone else in order to promote a moral agenda. Who says a poor country wouldn't want to make money hosting these questionable sites? Debate must happen before action is taken.
Nobody can predict the future and what opportunities it holds, especially ICANN. These people are supposed to be facilitating a prosperous global Internet. What gives them the right to impose any morals on us?
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