Do you read? It's not *my* point. It's a known fact Monsanto produces and sells terminator seeds. The point is farmers must re-buy seeds each year - instead of the time honored tradition of saving seed. Well - I suppose you could save it - but it's a sterile seed that will not produce a new plant. These plants still produce pollen. That pollen contains DNA from it's originating plant. That DNA in this case, contains inserted elements designed to cause sterility. This is what you are supporting - the spread of DNA know to cause infertility. My friend - that's not very intelligent.
It's not the same thing as naturally seedless plants - not all plants grow from seeds...
But hey - I'm just a farmer. My father was a farmer. My grandfather was a farmer. My great grandfather was a farmer. My great, great grandfather was a farmer. My great, great, great grandfather was a farmer. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about and should bow to your great agricultural knowledge...
I'm the Karma whore? Oh, that's funny - I'm the one who is taking the unpopular opinion here. Is there something I said which is factually incorrect? Am I wrong in considering pesticide poison? Did you read the warning label and prove me wrong? Do you have any data or facts that prove me wrong? Or are there scientific study after scientific study showing pesticides have ill effects on human health?
You've got me very wrong - I'm no *naturalist* - I'm not a vegetarian crunchy granola protester. I'm just not comfortable eating pesticides for no good reason.
Okay - you won't touch poison. Go buy a bottle of Round Up and read the label. Does it offer any suggestion if humans should ingest it - like say calling the poison control center?
"For those not aware, Monsanto has been avidly continuing to research ways to ensure that crops will die and not reproduce..."
"Right - as a safety protocol. I mean, it's amazing - the very same post where you complain about the possibilities and dangers of GM genes entering the wild, and Monsanto comes up with a way to allay that concern - and to you, that's just more evidence that they're "evil."
Yes, terminator plants are absolute proof Monsanto are evil. You fail to understand - the engineered genes which make Monsanto plants sterile can also be passed to natural plants through pollination. You're going to defend that? I suppose it's a good business plan - make all naturally occurring plants sterile and everyone must buy your seed...
"Or I guess we could back the environmentally friendly crop dusting that has a tendency to kill birds, dogs, cats, mice, bugs, people, etc. that happen to be under the plane while it is dropping chemicals that drift with the wind."
We don't need that - and we don't need Monsanto. We don't need any pesticides. I farm also - successfully and without pesticides. The supposed need for these chemicals relates to POOR farming technique. Planting an entire two acre field with one crop is poor farming. If any pest or disease has a harsh effect on that crop the farmer is wiped out (see Irish potato famine). The correct method is planting twenty types of plant in that one field. Then even if pests and disease wipe out five of your corn varieties - you still successfully harvest the other fifteen.
It's really quite simple. The best and most successful farming methods do not scale well into large corporate uni-crop farms.
So your upset that Monsanto wants to lie about milk, but you think it's perfectly fine for them to force farmers who have spent their entire lives saving seed (we call this old school bio-engineering) to destroy their lives work because Monsanto's poison contaminated their fields?
What on earth does Kosher food have to do with this? A kosher label only means the food is acceptable under Jewish law - no scientific claim is made. Why shouldn't we permit that? You are comparing that to inserting pesticides directly into plant DNA? Is there evidence pesticides are bad for human heath? There most certainly is my boy...
You are actually making my point. You were stopped and harassed by police while not doing anything illegal, and you are white. I'd bet anything it wasn't your lightly colored skin and politeness which kept you from being detained and charged. Cops are keenly aware who can afford lawyers, and who cannot. Class discrimination is by far the bigger problem.
Oh, and I'm speaking from my personal experience with cops, judges, P.O.'s, inmates, probationers, etc, etc, etc. I'm not much for movies and TV...
I'm sorry, are you fucking kidding? Now the problem is the *attitude* of the harassed citizen? You might have a slightly more bitter attitude towards authority if you were stopped on every corner and questioned about the crime of walking while black...
Very good point my friend! As a woman, (a Jewish, lesbian woman at that) - I'd like to point out you don't see the effects of discrimination unless it's targeting you.
Generally I would agree with you. However, anyone with any drug related conviction becomes ineligible for those student loans you were speaking about.
I'm can't speak for all places, but I am aware certain counties in the state of Georgia have a law "loitering for drugs". This means one can be arrested and charged without possessing actual drugs, or even drug paraphernalia if the police determine they were in a "known drug area" - and unfortunately for many of the poor (minorities tend to make up large numbers of these, but not always) - this means you can be arrested for walking home.
I know someone will say, "but such things are rare", and blah, blah, blah. How many inmates do you know? If the answer is few or none - then surely don't presume to know why and how they ended up in jails.
Consider that 1 in 7 new army recruits require a waiver due to criminal records. Many people think this reflects on the caliber of people now volunteering for the Army - but it actually reflects on the nation. One in Seven young people need waivers period.
Oh their intent was easy to discern - Sometimes "leaders" and "governments" step outside the boundaries granted them by the people they rule. And sometimes the only way to remind those in power of whom they rule is to pop a cap in a few of their top officers ass from the bushes. Such was necessary in revolutionary times.
I'll keep my liberty thanks, let cops worry about their own safety. They are the ones - who wanted to be cops. Dangerous job and all - as warned, don't complain about it now. I'm supposed to care this makes it hard for some undercover to bust teenage pot smokers? I don't, and don't even bother telling me about "dangerous drug dealers" or any other such FUD - I already know better...
I'm using Alltel mobile broadband. There are no monthly caps on data. I get around an 800 or so connection - usually downloads a bit over a 100kbs, uploads around 20kbs. I have it because there is no dsl option - although honestly I so despise AT&T I'd rather keep it even if they offered dsl. The latency isn't that bad - I can do online gaming. But it depends on the service availability in your area. I'm literally 1/4 mile from the tower, so my service rocks. If you run a lost of uptime critical services It isn't the best choice - I'll warn. It's still a ppp connection - it will drop off a couple times a day. It's a non issue for me - but if your running a server it would be a problem.
"The people who invent deserve the fruits of their labor, the people who create great works of art deserver the fruits of their labor, the people who create great software deserve the fruits of their labor."
Okay, but another clue. Life is not fair either. I'm not whining - I have created, designed, and invented - then released my work under creative commons. I'm not willing to trade my principles for money. Your describing an inability to make a profit. Sorry, but that's not a fundamental right. One thing that bother me about patents, and those who support them is that whatever in created, invented, or though up - It depends rather heavily on the vast sum of human knowledge which came before you...
"* There is no evidence that proves God doesn't exist. Until that is found your stipulation has no merit."
I propose my theory a giant ball of cream cheese is at the edge of the universe. Can you disprove that? No - well then until you can we should all assume the ball of cream cheese to be true.
Okay your right that was dramatic. Should have had my coffee first...
--"I don't know where you live, but unless it is Darfur, this is unlikely. Europe, the US, and most other western countries have safety nets of some sort."
--"If driving becomes too expensive for you, may I humbly suggest that you move before you starve? Barring that, at least get together with another starving auto-addict and carpool to mitigate the toll increase?"
Driving isn't expensive for me, at all. I drive a sedan, not a gas guzzler. I try to limit my driving as much as possible because I am aware of this global warming problem. I spend about $20 per week on gas. You are correct that I will not starve - that's actually why I choose rural living. I grow my own food as much as possible, saving my own seed as much as possible. I make my own mulch using my own waste products. I'm all about decreasing consumption. I fully - totally - 100% support increased use of public transport.
It's technically correct people are not "starving" in the U.S. - I cannot speak for Europe. However there are large groups of people who don't get adequate food - precisely those forced to exist on "public safety nets" - the elderly and disabled. Then there's the other twisted phenomenon. Mass numbers of people who are technically malnourished while eating too many calories. It doesn't kill people as quickly as starvation, but it does kill people in the form of heart disease, diabetes, etc, etc. Again these are generally people on the lower end of the economic scale. Budgetary restraints force them to make poor food choices. The most expensive food you can buy is fresh fruits, vegetables, and low fat meats. So here we have fat people dying of poor nutrition - quite literally. If you talk to them - most are aware this is a bad trade-off. It's an issue of access and affordability. Crap food is everywhere - you have to look for fresh natural food.
--"Why must you be so dramatic? The problem isn't too many farmers on roads, it is the opposite. The city is growing out onto the old farms. Sprawl is decreasing farmland. Making sprawl more expensive would save farmers, not push them to extinction."
Again you are right I was dramatic. Years of being polite and articulate haven't availed me much either though... I'm just not seeing your theory that making sprawl more expensive will work. Who wants this road toll policy? Corporations - when did one of those last do something for the benefit of anything but profits? Maybe you don't realize how close many people are to real breaking points monetarily. People in the U.S. are making some rather stark financial decisions. Mostly this would just increase traffic on non toll roads. But I can see it actually affecting poorer individuals in terms of access to many things over the long term. Maybe I am wrong.
Correct - driving a car to work is not a human right. However - we do live in a capitalist society where you will starve and fucking die without income. Income is earned by employment. If you are not able to get to work - you are not able to earn money - and you fucking starve and die.
I'm all for public transportation - and I'm all for increased tax of carbon emissions. I only suggest you actually "provide" the public transport before enacting this. There is no bus in my town. There is no train. Hell - there isn't even a taxi service. It's not like the city where everything is located within relative walking distance. The closest store - and closest place of employment to me is 7 miles away. I'm hardly the only one facing these circumstances. Given the excessive cost of fuel already - many, many people are literally struggling just to make it to work now...
And don't dare tell me to move to the city. Everyone can't move to the city. And if we did all move to the city - you would all starve and fucking die - no farmers = no food.
Now I've dropped them like a bad habit. Seriously - their service sucks. Those commercials you see advertising their "broadband" network where the guys in a pond with a laptop surfing at high speeds. Yeah - my ass. I'm happy with my new Alltel service. Now I can download at the speeds faster than AT&T's total connection...
The first month I used AT&T's mobile broadband - I received a $5000 dollar bill. I called them - WTF? They explained that though they had added unlimited net access to my account - they'd forgotten to take of the per MB charge - but they will fix it. The next month - a $15000 dollar bill - and the same rigamarole. Next month - a $34,000 dollar bill. At this point they disconnected my service for non-payment. I'll admit that lasted all of thirty seconds after calling them. It took 5 months for them to correct my bill.
Yep - Alltel - their voice packages are a bit higher than their competitors - by about ten or fifteen bucks a month - but their service does have this great advantage of working - even in remote, rural areas.
Satellite internet has horrible terms of service - and serious latency issues. Cellular providers cover many under-server rural areas now - I was pleased to learn of the option. It doesn't have the inhibitive installation cost of satellite service either. I'm connecting with speed between 700 and 1000kbps - with downloads speeds around 120kbps/upload speeds around 20kbps. The service is 29.99 unlimited (doesn't count against airtime minutes/no caps) using a tethered phone or 59.99 per month unlimited using a wireless USB modem. It's performs well - I've experienced no outages in over a month of use.
Anyone more knowledgeable - the cellular broadband is a type of radio service? Is this something more like a "mesh" network?
I'm not sure it isn't presumptuous to call this "impatience". Does it necessarily even mean these students lack the ability to go in depth? Maybe what they are seeing is modern students process information faster. So while the researchers were still trying to determine the content of the page - the student had already assessed it was *not* the information sought and moved on.
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Do you read? It's not *my* point. It's a known fact Monsanto produces and sells terminator seeds. The point is farmers must re-buy seeds each year - instead of the time honored tradition of saving seed. Well - I suppose you could save it - but it's a sterile seed that will not produce a new plant. These plants still produce pollen. That pollen contains DNA from it's originating plant. That DNA in this case, contains inserted elements designed to cause sterility. This is what you are supporting - the spread of DNA know to cause infertility. My friend - that's not very intelligent. It's not the same thing as naturally seedless plants - not all plants grow from seeds... But hey - I'm just a farmer. My father was a farmer. My grandfather was a farmer. My great grandfather was a farmer. My great, great grandfather was a farmer. My great, great, great grandfather was a farmer. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about and should bow to your great agricultural knowledge...
No I do understand. Sterile means the plant produces no seed from which a new plant may be grown. However they do still pollinate.
I'm the Karma whore? Oh, that's funny - I'm the one who is taking the unpopular opinion here. Is there something I said which is factually incorrect? Am I wrong in considering pesticide poison? Did you read the warning label and prove me wrong? Do you have any data or facts that prove me wrong? Or are there scientific study after scientific study showing pesticides have ill effects on human health? You've got me very wrong - I'm no *naturalist* - I'm not a vegetarian crunchy granola protester. I'm just not comfortable eating pesticides for no good reason.
Okay - you won't touch poison. Go buy a bottle of Round Up and read the label. Does it offer any suggestion if humans should ingest it - like say calling the poison control center?
"For those not aware, Monsanto has been avidly continuing to research ways to ensure that crops will die and not reproduce..."
"Right - as a safety protocol. I mean, it's amazing - the very same post where you complain about the possibilities and dangers of GM genes entering the wild, and Monsanto comes up with a way to allay that concern - and to you, that's just more evidence that they're "evil."
Yes, terminator plants are absolute proof Monsanto are evil. You fail to understand - the engineered genes which make Monsanto plants sterile can also be passed to natural plants through pollination. You're going to defend that? I suppose it's a good business plan - make all naturally occurring plants sterile and everyone must buy your seed...
"Or I guess we could back the environmentally friendly crop dusting that has a tendency to kill birds, dogs, cats, mice, bugs, people, etc. that happen to be under the plane while it is dropping chemicals that drift with the wind."
We don't need that - and we don't need Monsanto. We don't need any pesticides. I farm also - successfully and without pesticides. The supposed need for these chemicals relates to POOR farming technique. Planting an entire two acre field with one crop is poor farming. If any pest or disease has a harsh effect on that crop the farmer is wiped out (see Irish potato famine). The correct method is planting twenty types of plant in that one field. Then even if pests and disease wipe out five of your corn varieties - you still successfully harvest the other fifteen.
It's really quite simple. The best and most successful farming methods do not scale well into large corporate uni-crop farms.
So your upset that Monsanto wants to lie about milk, but you think it's perfectly fine for them to force farmers who have spent their entire lives saving seed (we call this old school bio-engineering) to destroy their lives work because Monsanto's poison contaminated their fields? What on earth does Kosher food have to do with this? A kosher label only means the food is acceptable under Jewish law - no scientific claim is made. Why shouldn't we permit that? You are comparing that to inserting pesticides directly into plant DNA? Is there evidence pesticides are bad for human heath? There most certainly is my boy...
The people who designed the crops? I'm sorry - nature did that... All monsanta did is splice poison into plant DNA.
You are actually making my point. You were stopped and harassed by police while not doing anything illegal, and you are white. I'd bet anything it wasn't your lightly colored skin and politeness which kept you from being detained and charged. Cops are keenly aware who can afford lawyers, and who cannot. Class discrimination is by far the bigger problem. Oh, and I'm speaking from my personal experience with cops, judges, P.O.'s, inmates, probationers, etc, etc, etc. I'm not much for movies and TV...
I'm sorry, are you fucking kidding? Now the problem is the *attitude* of the harassed citizen? You might have a slightly more bitter attitude towards authority if you were stopped on every corner and questioned about the crime of walking while black...
Very good point my friend! As a woman, (a Jewish, lesbian woman at that) - I'd like to point out you don't see the effects of discrimination unless it's targeting you.
Generally I would agree with you. However, anyone with any drug related conviction becomes ineligible for those student loans you were speaking about. I'm can't speak for all places, but I am aware certain counties in the state of Georgia have a law "loitering for drugs". This means one can be arrested and charged without possessing actual drugs, or even drug paraphernalia if the police determine they were in a "known drug area" - and unfortunately for many of the poor (minorities tend to make up large numbers of these, but not always) - this means you can be arrested for walking home. I know someone will say, "but such things are rare", and blah, blah, blah. How many inmates do you know? If the answer is few or none - then surely don't presume to know why and how they ended up in jails. Consider that 1 in 7 new army recruits require a waiver due to criminal records. Many people think this reflects on the caliber of people now volunteering for the Army - but it actually reflects on the nation. One in Seven young people need waivers period.
I realize there isn't any comparison in terms of numbers of such actions - but this guy did bomb those he didn't agree with...
Oh their intent was easy to discern - Sometimes "leaders" and "governments" step outside the boundaries granted them by the people they rule. And sometimes the only way to remind those in power of whom they rule is to pop a cap in a few of their top officers ass from the bushes. Such was necessary in revolutionary times.
I'll keep my liberty thanks, let cops worry about their own safety. They are the ones - who wanted to be cops. Dangerous job and all - as warned, don't complain about it now. I'm supposed to care this makes it hard for some undercover to bust teenage pot smokers? I don't, and don't even bother telling me about "dangerous drug dealers" or any other such FUD - I already know better...
I'm using Alltel mobile broadband. There are no monthly caps on data. I get around an 800 or so connection - usually downloads a bit over a 100kbs, uploads around 20kbs. I have it because there is no dsl option - although honestly I so despise AT&T I'd rather keep it even if they offered dsl. The latency isn't that bad - I can do online gaming. But it depends on the service availability in your area. I'm literally 1/4 mile from the tower, so my service rocks. If you run a lost of uptime critical services It isn't the best choice - I'll warn. It's still a ppp connection - it will drop off a couple times a day. It's a non issue for me - but if your running a server it would be a problem.
"The people who invent deserve the fruits of their labor, the people who create great works of art deserver the fruits of their labor, the people who create great software deserve the fruits of their labor." Okay, but another clue. Life is not fair either. I'm not whining - I have created, designed, and invented - then released my work under creative commons. I'm not willing to trade my principles for money. Your describing an inability to make a profit. Sorry, but that's not a fundamental right. One thing that bother me about patents, and those who support them is that whatever in created, invented, or though up - It depends rather heavily on the vast sum of human knowledge which came before you...
"* There is no evidence that proves God doesn't exist. Until that is found your stipulation has no merit." I propose my theory a giant ball of cream cheese is at the edge of the universe. Can you disprove that? No - well then until you can we should all assume the ball of cream cheese to be true.
Okay your right that was dramatic. Should have had my coffee first... --"I don't know where you live, but unless it is Darfur, this is unlikely. Europe, the US, and most other western countries have safety nets of some sort." --"If driving becomes too expensive for you, may I humbly suggest that you move before you starve? Barring that, at least get together with another starving auto-addict and carpool to mitigate the toll increase?" Driving isn't expensive for me, at all. I drive a sedan, not a gas guzzler. I try to limit my driving as much as possible because I am aware of this global warming problem. I spend about $20 per week on gas. You are correct that I will not starve - that's actually why I choose rural living. I grow my own food as much as possible, saving my own seed as much as possible. I make my own mulch using my own waste products. I'm all about decreasing consumption. I fully - totally - 100% support increased use of public transport. It's technically correct people are not "starving" in the U.S. - I cannot speak for Europe. However there are large groups of people who don't get adequate food - precisely those forced to exist on "public safety nets" - the elderly and disabled. Then there's the other twisted phenomenon. Mass numbers of people who are technically malnourished while eating too many calories. It doesn't kill people as quickly as starvation, but it does kill people in the form of heart disease, diabetes, etc, etc. Again these are generally people on the lower end of the economic scale. Budgetary restraints force them to make poor food choices. The most expensive food you can buy is fresh fruits, vegetables, and low fat meats. So here we have fat people dying of poor nutrition - quite literally. If you talk to them - most are aware this is a bad trade-off. It's an issue of access and affordability. Crap food is everywhere - you have to look for fresh natural food. --"Why must you be so dramatic? The problem isn't too many farmers on roads, it is the opposite. The city is growing out onto the old farms. Sprawl is decreasing farmland. Making sprawl more expensive would save farmers, not push them to extinction." Again you are right I was dramatic. Years of being polite and articulate haven't availed me much either though... I'm just not seeing your theory that making sprawl more expensive will work. Who wants this road toll policy? Corporations - when did one of those last do something for the benefit of anything but profits? Maybe you don't realize how close many people are to real breaking points monetarily. People in the U.S. are making some rather stark financial decisions. Mostly this would just increase traffic on non toll roads. But I can see it actually affecting poorer individuals in terms of access to many things over the long term. Maybe I am wrong.
The drugs which killed Health Ledger are the ones sold by white guys - in suits.
Correct - driving a car to work is not a human right. However - we do live in a capitalist society where you will starve and fucking die without income. Income is earned by employment. If you are not able to get to work - you are not able to earn money - and you fucking starve and die. I'm all for public transportation - and I'm all for increased tax of carbon emissions. I only suggest you actually "provide" the public transport before enacting this. There is no bus in my town. There is no train. Hell - there isn't even a taxi service. It's not like the city where everything is located within relative walking distance. The closest store - and closest place of employment to me is 7 miles away. I'm hardly the only one facing these circumstances. Given the excessive cost of fuel already - many, many people are literally struggling just to make it to work now... And don't dare tell me to move to the city. Everyone can't move to the city. And if we did all move to the city - you would all starve and fucking die - no farmers = no food.
Now I've dropped them like a bad habit. Seriously - their service sucks. Those commercials you see advertising their "broadband" network where the guys in a pond with a laptop surfing at high speeds. Yeah - my ass. I'm happy with my new Alltel service. Now I can download at the speeds faster than AT&T's total connection... The first month I used AT&T's mobile broadband - I received a $5000 dollar bill. I called them - WTF? They explained that though they had added unlimited net access to my account - they'd forgotten to take of the per MB charge - but they will fix it. The next month - a $15000 dollar bill - and the same rigamarole. Next month - a $34,000 dollar bill. At this point they disconnected my service for non-payment. I'll admit that lasted all of thirty seconds after calling them. It took 5 months for them to correct my bill.
Yep - Alltel - their voice packages are a bit higher than their competitors - by about ten or fifteen bucks a month - but their service does have this great advantage of working - even in remote, rural areas.
Satellite internet has horrible terms of service - and serious latency issues. Cellular providers cover many under-server rural areas now - I was pleased to learn of the option. It doesn't have the inhibitive installation cost of satellite service either. I'm connecting with speed between 700 and 1000kbps - with downloads speeds around 120kbps/upload speeds around 20kbps. The service is 29.99 unlimited (doesn't count against airtime minutes/no caps) using a tethered phone or 59.99 per month unlimited using a wireless USB modem. It's performs well - I've experienced no outages in over a month of use. Anyone more knowledgeable - the cellular broadband is a type of radio service? Is this something more like a "mesh" network?
I'm not sure it isn't presumptuous to call this "impatience". Does it necessarily even mean these students lack the ability to go in depth? Maybe what they are seeing is modern students process information faster. So while the researchers were still trying to determine the content of the page - the student had already assessed it was *not* the information sought and moved on.