Most H1Bs *are* from developing nations like India and China. $150k, invested wisely, would provide acomfortable living in the countryside of such a nation for life. That is, of course, beside the point; regardless of whether he retires on the money or spends it on hookers and blow, as long as its spent in his home country it's a net loss to the local community.
Do I like this? No. But I'm having a hard time arguing against the math.
Well it's not hard to do.. After all, these companies still find outsourcing too expensive or too low in quality, so they ask the government to make it artificially cheaper for them to hire foreign employees that have no bargaining rights. The solution would be to disallow this, forcing them to either pay market price for workers or move their operations overseas. I'm pretty confident based on some of the outsourced nightmares I've encountered that most companies would get burned once or twice on outsourcing, then decide to pay market price for workers.
As an aside, I would be happy to have some sort of citizenship track visa that allowed skilled workers to live and work in the US, pay US taxes, and not be deported merely because of loss of employment, thus being able to negotiate wages on the same playing field.
Whoever's writing as Cringly is just being racist here. There's no moral wrong when a non-American gets an "American job", whether through immigraiton or offshoring. Everyone deserves to compete for any job, without prefernce given by race or place of birth.
Sure, I'd personally like to see all the cool developer jobs reserved for somewhat overweight middle-aged white guys, but that's because I'm a greedy bastard, not because it would be some kind of moral virtue!
The problem is that it puts a net drain on the local market, both in terms of skilled workers and in terms of money. An H1-B takes a low paying job that would traditionally go to an entry-level local worker, works for several years, and returns home with enough money live on comfortably for the rest of his life due to the exchange rate. This means that the local entry-level worker can't find a job and becomes disenfranchised, and a total loss of ~50k * 3 yr = $150k is permanently removed from the local economy. Now maybe this is not ethically wrong, but it is not in the best interests of the local economy or the national economy.
Alright, *your* words, from *your* comment that *you* linked to:
- yes, those are my words, I stand by them and never changed them.
Obviously you went into one of those public schools, because those words are twisted in your irrational mind into something that they are not.
You are building a strawman and then are taking it down, is that what they taught you? Because I never said I am against education, I said I am against public funding for all schools, I am against public schools, I am against all public funding for anything and everything.
Again, this means education would actually be affordable, cheap and of high quality, just like the cheapest mobile phones today, that are sold in the market by businesses that do it for profit.
So what is your problem, lack of logic or lack of argument?
Right, you're in favor of education for people who can afford it. Hence money = freedom. You're an anarcho-capitalist, an idiot, and an overall terrible human being. Please go to Somalia where the government will leave you alone, and leave the civilized world to civilized people.
Your anarcho-capitalist vision of what "freedom" means is essentially "might makes right"
- no, the market is all people making voluntary decisions on every day basis about their own lives. What business to participate in, what product to buy, what to avoid, etc. This has nothing to do with probably criminal behavior that you are talking about.
You are so wrong when you think I am talking about "removing education", it's insane how wrong you are. Education is very important, I am talking about making sure that it stays relevant, that it is not inflated into nothingness like every other bubble that government creates with fake money and ideas of 'fairness' or 'free whatever'.
I wonder, you think that 'freedom' is a 'weasel word', I wonder who 'educated' you this way? Freedom is the concept that USA was founded upon, it's the concept that you are a free individual to run your life to the best of your abilities, without somebody directing and controlling you.
Of-course this doesn't mean you should be hurting people in the process, but to me it seems you are not against the idea of hurting people, as long as it is the government that does it.
Alright, *your* words, from *your* comment that *you* linked to:
Personally I am against all public schools completely
Changing your position every time someone calls you on something might work against some people, but it doesn't make you right. In fact, it just makes you more of a douchebag. And for the record, I was once a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party. Unlike libtards such as yourself, however, I grew up and realized that money is not a very good indicator of the value of a person.
Or how providing higher education is the same thing as murder?
- you missed your favorite word in that sentence: free. A government that is big enough to "give" you "free" anything, including "free" education, is the gov't that destroys every individual freedom in the process.
You know, they provide 'free' food (food you don't have to pay for if you are receiving it) in prisons, right?
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but...
"Freedom", in the sense you're using, is completely meaningless. Your anarcho-capitalist vision of what "freedom" means is essentially "might makes right". Individual freedom to do anything within your means has no value if you have no means. Your goal of removing education, one of the few equalizers we have in society, is just an attempt to create an aristocracy. The fact that you use weasel words like "Freedom" to convey this makes it no less true, nor does it make it any more justified in pursuing that goal.
Again, tell me how it helps people to have to go $60k into debt to get a degree required for the kind of job that would provide a living wage? Or how providing higher education is the same thing as murder? You really should seek some psychiatric help, dude.
Do you have a better plan? I mean, I have a better plan: free tuition for anyone who can pass the entrance exams. It would be much cheaper than our current system of government-backed loans, but that's not really the point, is it? The issue here is to ensure that you create a class of indentured servants who have no choice but to pay the rest of their lives for the education they received in their 20's.
The annoying alerts you get from commercial software aren't there to make your computer safer, but rather to remind you that you need to pay for next year's upgrade.
I never understood that. How is patriotic to increase demand for a commodity that has one of its main sellers donating money to terrorists?
In this case the Saudi royal family.
In the 'Merican market workship religion the ritual sacrifice of money is done to appease "Job Creators", which appear to be mythical gods of prosperity.
I have to call BS on that. I live in Texas, and the most common cars on the roads are Mazda 3s, Kia Souls, low-end VWs, Hyndai Accents, and maybe a Ford Fiesta or two. Even Hondas are becoming less common.
For the rest of the US that isn't LA, the days of the SUV are long past. Saying that people in the US still drive those is exactly like saying that all Germans still drive Trabents.
Well I live in Oklahoma, and 1-ton or larger pickups make up at least 50% of the cars on my daily highway commute. In a red state, apparently spending ridiculous amounts of money on gas is considered 'patriotic'. I've noticed similar ratios when I go to Texas, which I try to avoid.
Reinheitsgebot was introduced in part to prevent price competition with bakers for wheat and rye. The restriction of grains to barley was meant to ensure the availability of sufficient amounts of affordable bread, as the more valuable wheat and rye were reserved for use by bakers. Today many Bavarian beers are again brewed using wheat and are thus no longer compliant with the Reinheitsgebot.
Don't even bother trying to drink any beer unless it is brewed to the Bavarian Purity Law standard of 1516. Lots of smaller breweries in the U.S. and Canada have beer that complies.
That law was put in place to drive down the price of bread. In fact, it still allowed for brewing with wheat, but only for consumption by the aristocracy. Look at Belgium if you want to see good beer -- and they break all the rules when they make it.
But in 1975 the filibuster was still an endurance test.. Which honestly is kind of a good way of handling the situation. If you have a minority that wants to block something, then they should feel strongly enough about it to stay there and wait out their opponents. If they can't do that, then they didn't care enough about the issue in the first place.
Most of the languages taught at my school were done in a single 'comparative languages' class. Assembly was the only class on a specific language, and it was taght primarily for background on system calls and memory management for later courses. Design patterns certainly have their place, but they belong in a CE program, not CS. A CS BS should take you through algorithm design/implementation/discrimination, data structures, combinatorics, number theory, graph theory, and state machine theory. My program was lacking in many regards, but it was correct to not teach design patterns. Design patterns can be useful in real world coding, but they can also be a rote memorization time sink. Anyone with a lick of sense will figure out the factory pattern long before learning what it's called, or even that someone thought it was important enough to give it a name.
Mine had 2 languages and the reason the term design pattern wasn't ever mentioned is because they don't teach you to design software.
That's right, they don't. Design patterns have no place in a CS curriculum. The languages used most in my courses were C and C++, but the language was usually treated as a practical means to implement something, rather than the end goal.
My college courses included the following languages: C, C++, Java, fortran,pascal, x86 assembly, VB6, and Pcode assembly. The term 'design patterns' was not mentioned once, however.
Ah, but the inequality adjusted HDI (you know, the one that measures the quality of life based on the median, not the mean) has Germany at #7 and the US at #23, according to this. We're only 3 spots above Greece, and their economy has completely collapsed. It's great that there's a bunch of total wealth in the US, but if I never get any of it it doesn't do me much good.
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Two words: Uwe Boll
I felt a disturbance in the force.. As if millions of critics cried out, and were suddenly challenged to a boxing match.
At least Lucas won't be in charge anymore.
Most H1Bs *are* from developing nations like India and China. $150k, invested wisely, would provide acomfortable living in the countryside of such a nation for life. That is, of course, beside the point; regardless of whether he retires on the money or spends it on hookers and blow, as long as its spent in his home country it's a net loss to the local community.
Do I like this? No. But I'm having a hard time arguing against the math.
Well it's not hard to do.. After all, these companies still find outsourcing too expensive or too low in quality, so they ask the government to make it artificially cheaper for them to hire foreign employees that have no bargaining rights. The solution would be to disallow this, forcing them to either pay market price for workers or move their operations overseas. I'm pretty confident based on some of the outsourced nightmares I've encountered that most companies would get burned once or twice on outsourcing, then decide to pay market price for workers.
As an aside, I would be happy to have some sort of citizenship track visa that allowed skilled workers to live and work in the US, pay US taxes, and not be deported merely because of loss of employment, thus being able to negotiate wages on the same playing field.
Otherwise known as a fair market wage?
Whoever's writing as Cringly is just being racist here. There's no moral wrong when a non-American gets an "American job", whether through immigraiton or offshoring. Everyone deserves to compete for any job, without prefernce given by race or place of birth.
Sure, I'd personally like to see all the cool developer jobs reserved for somewhat overweight middle-aged white guys, but that's because I'm a greedy bastard, not because it would be some kind of moral virtue!
The problem is that it puts a net drain on the local market, both in terms of skilled workers and in terms of money. An H1-B takes a low paying job that would traditionally go to an entry-level local worker, works for several years, and returns home with enough money live on comfortably for the rest of his life due to the exchange rate. This means that the local entry-level worker can't find a job and becomes disenfranchised, and a total loss of ~50k * 3 yr = $150k is permanently removed from the local economy. Now maybe this is not ethically wrong, but it is not in the best interests of the local economy or the national economy.
Alright, *your* words, from *your* comment that *you* linked to:
- yes, those are my words, I stand by them and never changed them.
Obviously you went into one of those public schools, because those words are twisted in your irrational mind into something that they are not.
You are building a strawman and then are taking it down, is that what they taught you? Because I never said I am against education, I said I am against public funding for all schools, I am against public schools, I am against all public funding for anything and everything.
Again, this means education would actually be affordable, cheap and of high quality, just like the cheapest mobile phones today, that are sold in the market by businesses that do it for profit.
So what is your problem, lack of logic or lack of argument?
Right, you're in favor of education for people who can afford it. Hence money = freedom. You're an anarcho-capitalist, an idiot, and an overall terrible human being. Please go to Somalia where the government will leave you alone, and leave the civilized world to civilized people.
Your anarcho-capitalist vision of what "freedom" means is essentially "might makes right"
- no, the market is all people making voluntary decisions on every day basis about their own lives. What business to participate in, what product to buy, what to avoid, etc. This has nothing to do with probably criminal behavior that you are talking about.
You are so wrong when you think I am talking about "removing education", it's insane how wrong you are. Education is very important, I am talking about making sure that it stays relevant, that it is not inflated into nothingness like every other bubble that government creates with fake money and ideas of 'fairness' or 'free whatever'.
I wonder, you think that 'freedom' is a 'weasel word', I wonder who 'educated' you this way? Freedom is the concept that USA was founded upon, it's the concept that you are a free individual to run your life to the best of your abilities, without somebody directing and controlling you.
Of-course this doesn't mean you should be hurting people in the process, but to me it seems you are not against the idea of hurting people, as long as it is the government that does it.
Alright, *your* words, from *your* comment that *you* linked to:
Personally I am against all public schools completely
Changing your position every time someone calls you on something might work against some people, but it doesn't make you right. In fact, it just makes you more of a douchebag. And for the record, I was once a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party. Unlike libtards such as yourself, however, I grew up and realized that money is not a very good indicator of the value of a person.
tell me how it helps people to have to go $60k into debt to get a degree required for the kind of job that would provide a living wage
- I never said it helps, quite the opposite, read this comment, do you think I believe it helps?
Of-course when something is 'free' the quality also suffers, even when it's just highschool (or the wasted 'educational' process before it).
Or how providing higher education is the same thing as murder?
- you missed your favorite word in that sentence: free. A government that is big enough to "give" you "free" anything, including "free" education, is the gov't that destroys every individual freedom in the process.
You know, they provide 'free' food (food you don't have to pay for if you are receiving it) in prisons, right?
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but...
"Freedom", in the sense you're using, is completely meaningless. Your anarcho-capitalist vision of what "freedom" means is essentially "might makes right". Individual freedom to do anything within your means has no value if you have no means. Your goal of removing education, one of the few equalizers we have in society, is just an attempt to create an aristocracy. The fact that you use weasel words like "Freedom" to convey this makes it no less true, nor does it make it any more justified in pursuing that goal.
Again, tell me how it helps people to have to go $60k into debt to get a degree required for the kind of job that would provide a living wage? Or how providing higher education is the same thing as murder? You really should seek some psychiatric help, dude.
Do you have a better plan? I mean, I have a better plan: free tuition for anyone who can pass the entrance exams. It would be much cheaper than our current system of government-backed loans, but that's not really the point, is it? The issue here is to ensure that you create a class of indentured servants who have no choice but to pay the rest of their lives for the education they received in their 20's.
The annoying alerts you get from commercial software aren't there to make your computer safer, but rather to remind you that you need to pay for next year's upgrade.
I never understood that. How is patriotic to increase demand for a commodity that has one of its main sellers donating money to terrorists?
In this case the Saudi royal family.
In the 'Merican market workship religion the ritual sacrifice of money is done to appease "Job Creators", which appear to be mythical gods of prosperity.
I have to call BS on that. I live in Texas, and the most common cars on the roads are Mazda 3s, Kia Souls, low-end VWs, Hyndai Accents, and maybe a Ford Fiesta or two. Even Hondas are becoming less common.
For the rest of the US that isn't LA, the days of the SUV are long past. Saying that people in the US still drive those is exactly like saying that all Germans still drive Trabents.
Well I live in Oklahoma, and 1-ton or larger pickups make up at least 50% of the cars on my daily highway commute. In a red state, apparently spending ridiculous amounts of money on gas is considered 'patriotic'. I've noticed similar ratios when I go to Texas, which I try to avoid.
Hurt feelings != killing people, and freedom of expression doesn't work when it only applies to expression you agree with.
How do you set up a server to prevent SQL injection? That's a systematic failure in the web app, not a flaw in the DB configuration.
I vote for Android...
Not surprising, he's leading in the polls.
Reinheitsgebot was introduced in part to prevent price competition with bakers for wheat and rye. The restriction of grains to barley was meant to ensure the availability of sufficient amounts of affordable bread, as the more valuable wheat and rye were reserved for use by bakers. Today many Bavarian beers are again brewed using wheat and are thus no longer compliant with the Reinheitsgebot.
Don't even bother trying to drink any beer unless it is brewed to the Bavarian Purity Law standard of 1516. Lots of smaller breweries in the U.S. and Canada have beer that complies.
That law was put in place to drive down the price of bread. In fact, it still allowed for brewing with wheat, but only for consumption by the aristocracy. Look at Belgium if you want to see good beer -- and they break all the rules when they make it.
Nope. Essentially you just have to say "I filibuster" and unless the other side can muster 60 votes, it's a done deal.
But in 1975 the filibuster was still an endurance test.. Which honestly is kind of a good way of handling the situation. If you have a minority that wants to block something, then they should feel strongly enough about it to stay there and wait out their opponents. If they can't do that, then they didn't care enough about the issue in the first place.
Not sure if trolling or completely retarded..
Most of the languages taught at my school were done in a single 'comparative languages' class. Assembly was the only class on a specific language, and it was taght primarily for background on system calls and memory management for later courses. Design patterns certainly have their place, but they belong in a CE program, not CS. A CS BS should take you through algorithm design/implementation/discrimination, data structures, combinatorics, number theory, graph theory, and state machine theory. My program was lacking in many regards, but it was correct to not teach design patterns. Design patterns can be useful in real world coding, but they can also be a rote memorization time sink. Anyone with a lick of sense will figure out the factory pattern long before learning what it's called, or even that someone thought it was important enough to give it a name.
Mine had 2 languages and the reason the term design pattern wasn't ever mentioned is because they don't teach you to design software.
That's right, they don't. Design patterns have no place in a CS curriculum. The languages used most in my courses were C and C++, but the language was usually treated as a practical means to implement something, rather than the end goal.
My college courses included the following languages: C, C++, Java, fortran,pascal, x86 assembly, VB6, and Pcode assembly. The term 'design patterns' was not mentioned once, however.
Ah, but the inequality adjusted HDI (you know, the one that measures the quality of life based on the median, not the mean) has Germany at #7 and the US at #23, according to this. We're only 3 spots above Greece, and their economy has completely collapsed. It's great that there's a bunch of total wealth in the US, but if I never get any of it it doesn't do me much good.